Ok, ok I'll try and improve on the music :D But that brings up a good question, what sort of music DO you like?

@hinac3

7 жыл бұрын

Hello Phils! Thanks for this video! You can choose a sort of music named "Synthwave" ;) it's cool for your type of video! During the video, I have dropped my balls.... ^^

@AshtonCoolman

7 жыл бұрын

PhilsComputerLab I enjoyed the music you chose! I'm 35 so I'm not some kid. It was easy to listen to and set a calm mood. Why did people have such an issue with it?

@rtgfdssjk

7 жыл бұрын

PhilsComputerLab free form jazz!!!

@Silikone

7 жыл бұрын

Why not music from the games being benchmarked?

@munxcorp

7 жыл бұрын

Anything without lyrics so it's easier to concentrate on the video/benchmark stats. Unreal Tournament soundtrack comes to mid.

An additional video explaining the differences between the K6-2 /K6-2+ /K6-3 and K6-3+ would be a nice follow up. Good Video.

Oh my, oh my, oh my. Time to use my K6-2/550 and pair it with my Voodoo3 2000 and an Asus P5A-B Baby AT SS7 :D

Awesome! Thank you for answering my question on that one Phil :)

i felt like undressing to those benchmark graphs

The amd k6-2 is what my first proper computer had in it. The first one i actually owned all to myself. The thing seemed quite a beast at the time

Keep it up! Looking forward for more videos from you, don't stop!

Wow, LGR, Nostalgia Nerd, 8BitGuy, and now you Phil, best saturday morning ever :D

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@finalbossoftheinternet6360

7 жыл бұрын

Remember when the 8 Bit Guy was the iBook guy?

Thank you for uploading videos Phil. I absolutely enjoy your nostalgic content :).

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Very nice Retro video! I started with a 466 Celeron but later built a rig consisting of a Abit KT7 A Raid motherboard and a 900 Mhz Athlon K7 Thunderbird CPU and a Voodoo 3 Graphics card then a Geforce 2 GTS a bit after. this was around sometime in 2000.

Great video. Ordered a brand new K6-III+ two days back :-)

I really really like the pacing of this video. It's just feels very comfortable to understand, but not to slow to get bored. Especially the beginning was awesome, because you could visually see how the cpu's were used.

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

I would personally go with vocal free music next time, it seems to have riled people up. It isn't super pleasant to have lyrics in the background music because it makes it difficult to focus on the data being provided. I would suggest picking a vocal free song and reusing it for your results sections, it could act as sort of a theme song for them. That said, I appreciate that this is your channel, and you will do what you feel is best. I like seeing how you've been playing around with your format, and there are bound to be hits and misses. Not that I think you will, but don't take complaints about the music personally, on the whole I've noticed a big jump in quality in the last couple months. Kudos for that. I was also happy to see a sponsor there, and I appreciated that the plug was short. That out of the way, I'm really surprised to see where the K6-2 sits, it feels like it should have scored better being at a higher frequency than any of the PII chips, but I guess that cache makes a big difference. I wonder how it did against the celeron, it feels like they were going for the lower end market with the Super Socket 7 platform in general.

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

Thank you! I do my best, but sometimes I miss the mark :P

@OGBhyve

7 жыл бұрын

Ya, it just pulls you out of the video. Maybe play cool music from retro games during the benchmarks. Like Doom or Quake...etc. You might also look into what others are using for inspiration.

My first computer had a k6-2 500!! I still have it 😁

Funnily enough I just found one of these in an old pile of computer bits. Don't even remember if I ever used it in a system. Interesting video!

Just have to say, you can see why the Celeron A was a very popular chip for us looking for the most bang per buck back then. I jumped ship from K6 to the Celeron A as soon as I saw the performance people were getting from the chip. The L2 cache on the motherboard is going to be holding the performance back quite a bit at this point. I am surprised @ 500 the K6 is pulling such a low number on Quake under DOS there though. I liked the music btw.

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

Yea the Celerons do indeed offer amazing value. I will test the K6-2+ and III+ at some point soon.

Wow the K62 500Mhz was the second PC I ever owned, it was a beast of a machine, with an AGP ATI Rage (32mb). First one was an IBM Aptiva (Cyrix 5x86 100Mhz). Another superb video, Phil.

K6-2 300 mghz owner, prior to that I had a 486, what a jump in performance, happy customer :)

I got an AMD K6-2 back in late summer 1998. Since then, I've been all AMD. That system got me out of the computer saga that I had been in from late 1999 through summer of 1998. Before that, I had a Cyrix PR-200, and Explorer would often crash on Windows 98. It was hardly usable. We worked incessantly to try to fix it, but it was a no go. So, we ordered a pre-built, which had a K6-2 as a CPU plus 2x the RAM and much more HD space and a better graphics card. Overall, back in the day, in terms of performance, the system was revolutionary compared to what I had before (Pentium 75 and the Cyrix PR-200).

Pentium MMX 233, my first cpu. AMD K6-2 500, my second cpu. awesome vid!

I use AMD since 1999 and my first processor of this brand was the K6-II 350MHz (with 100MHz of FSB).

I had one of these back in the day, served as a nice upgrade from a Cyrix MII-333. I used it on a regular Socket 7 board, though, needed to overclock the FSB a bit (66 -> 83) to get 500MHz by the 6x multiplier. For part of its lifespan, it had no 3D card, so it was all about software rendered Quake 2 with the 3dnow patch, but eventually I got a PCI Voodoo 3 2000 (since the motherboard didn't have an AGP slot).

Very informative, Sir, thank you.

It was the price of those Intel chips that sent me to trying the AMD K62 two 450. It was so nice ran Windows 98 second addition and the games really nice

my first computer pc had a k6-500 mhz procressor :D , a good price/prower relaction. Nice video, saludos desde España.

I started my pc using life with a 8088, then a 16mhz 386, 33mhz 486 upgraded to 66 then the overdrive 100mhz. The K6 233 was the first system I built then the k6-2 500 was second. Good times. I must have only been about 8 or 9 when I started using PC's... Makes me feel old.

I know you have covered it before, but I'm surprised the K6-III+ wasn't in the benchmarks. Although, I suppose you might just be planning to make a video on it like this one in the future. :D

Aways wondered what time you uploaded. (3:30 am here) Enjoy all your videos!

@moritzrudolf5370

7 жыл бұрын

dwarf365 He's from Australia so it's different.

@dwarf365

7 жыл бұрын

LOL thanks, I am well aware how time zones work. That's why I specified my local time.

@moritzrudolf5370

7 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure where exactly but it should be 6:30pm to 8:30pm.

i had a K6-II in the old days :D

I owned a computer shop between 1997 and 2000. I sold a huge number of k6-2 and k6-6

Great video! You have to mention that the K6-2 costed like 1/3rd of a PII while it had 80% of the performance or so, that was the main reason to buy them back then. I owned (and still own but not in use) a K6-2 350mhz, I had it overclocked to 400mhz at that time.

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

True, I don't try to be a history channel, more about what makes sense to use now if you want to build a retro gaming PC. Most parts are dirt cheap, so we can pick the good stuff that was out of reach back in the day.

literally just purchased a k6 haha nice man!

nice video man :D

Ah this was the processor (500mhz K2) in my first PC that I actually owned myself, exciting times!

This brings back memories. My first PC was a K6-2-350Mhz, 32MB RAM, 4GB HDD and a ATI Mach 64 2MB GPU. But i can not remember what motherboard it had.

Awesome video :] Although I'm confused about the Backstreet Boyz during the benchmarks :')

I still have a 450 K6-2 that was my main PC in 1997-9 and later used for my father's office work. I later built a spare parts PC using a 500 K6-2 that I picked up cheap off Ebay, but it didn't feel much faster than the 450. AMD had a great run with the K6-2 but the results show they had pushed clock speeds as far as they could go with it.

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

wildbilltexas K6-2+ and III+ are still to come...

I had a K6-2 500MHz in a PC Partner MVP3BS7-954 motherboard based on the Apollo MVP3 chipset, which along with many other boards had the infamous Southbridge chipset that the SoundBlaster Live! card had major issues with. Other than that it was an excellent board and hardware combination, and performed very well with most software and hardware.

Lately I've been really interested in learning about the Super Socket 7 platform, and I would personally love to know how the K6-2/500 performs against the Celeron 500, which launched around the same time for the same price.

dat pin bended at 0:32 ouch

as soon as i fix the burnt mosfet on my fic va-503+ im gonna test the same thing since the board is considered the fastest at memory. i wonder how well that helps this situation. against my p2 300 and 450. either way u cant go wrong adding ss7 to your collection. thanks phil for another great vid.

Good video, music was off but hey, gota explore right? Thumbs up!

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

That's it, thanks :)

The fastest card I ever had in my k6/2 was a TNT2 Ultra, it did benefit a few games as a step-up from the 16MB TNT before it, but some games like Codename Eagle just crippled that cpu. I see the hardware T&L in that Quadro2 doesn't do much to give it an advantage, but I'm still curious what games became playable thanks to it :)

Don't forget about the K6-3, which I've seen overclocked to over 600Mhz

I've used a lot that processor in 2003/2004 I miss these days.

This video should have really been with the plus version k6! Edit now see the plus version video! 😂 Thanks!

AMD K7 (Athlon/Duron) video coming some time in the future?

There was also an AMD K6-III which was basically the same as a K6-II but with more cache(If I remember correctly they added an L3 cache) and slightly higher clockspeed.

@snetmotnosrorb3946

7 жыл бұрын

Integrated L2 cache. The motherboard cache then became L3.

@PhoenixNL72-DEGA-

7 жыл бұрын

+Snetmot Nosrorb I Stand corrected. The difference was indeed an added 256K L2 cache, running at the same clocks speed as the processor core, which resulted in the cache on the motherboard to be used as L3 cache. the K6-2 only had L1 cache and the motherboard cache acted as L2 for that processor. Anyway at the time I used to have an Cyrix M2 system that I upgraded to an M3. Later I switched to multiple K6-2 systems. Mainly because those systems where less then 1/3rd the cost of a pentium/pentium II system at the time.

How about a video comparing dosbox gaming experience on typical modern PC to these oldboxes? (I didn't mind your choice of music. I cannot say I liked it, but I tuned it out because I had to press play/stop button repeatedly to examine the graphs.)

I still have my AMD k6-2 500 running at 550MHz, paired with a Voodoo2 /ATi Radeon 7200, SBLive!...runs pretty well, especially emulators with support Glide64 or Lewpy's Glide GPU plugin (PJ64, Epsxe)...oh the memories!

Funny how computers were absolute garbage at running DOOM until the Pentium MMX/K6 machines came out many years later. In 1993 almost no one had an expensive 486DX, wich was the bare minimum to be able to play the game at something mostly lower than 30fps. Also VESA-ready motherboards were still quite a novelty back then.

@GraveUypo

7 жыл бұрын

nah, doom ran okay on 486 dx66 and up. my 486dx4 100 certainly didn't have any trouble with it in 1994. before that, i played the shareware to death on my grandmother's dx2 66.

Back in the day the first PC I properly built for myself was a AMD K6-2 500 with an ATI Rage 128 Pro. It was never a great system but it did what I needed at that time running Windows 98SE. If I remember correctly I used a board with a VIA chipset which I was advised as being the best kind for that CPU line.

@brandonupchurch7628

7 жыл бұрын

Do you regret buying the K6 when for a very similar price you could have gotten a celeron 300A and easily overclocked it to 450mhz

I've finally gotten my GA 5AA working at 100%. And the issues with DirectX 7+ on my TNT2 Vanta *and* Voodoo2 SLI are bizarre.

Number of pins at 0:28 made me smile.

Too late to this video but, Quake in particular used assembler code specifically for the Intel Pentium FPU instruction set, in particular the Pentium Pro, Pentium II is in fact an improved Pentium Pro. And by the way, for business software where the FPU is not important the K6 core outperformed the PII clock for clock.

Do you think the 3D now! Extensions would help boost the frame rate on Lego Creator from 1998?

0:33 Do I see a bent pin? I knew the pins aren't that easy to break!

The first PC I ever bought had a K6 300, which I upgraded to a K6-2 500. Ahh the nostalgia.

Okay, again. So it's one of my favorites because I don't just have it now, I had it for a good while in '99 and on. And I still have the very same CPU because I never sold, scrapped or gave it away (like I did with my 8087. I still regret it.). I even like it better now than back then because I got faster and more stable motherboards for it. 3DNow instruction set is rather minimalistic but can be tremendously faster than the K6's non-pipelined x87 FPU. (Update on 300A: At last the third one I tried seems to work fine at 450MHz.)

I have a k6-II 450 and I am using the board for a P200MMX. I have an Am486 but I don't think I will be messing around with any other old AMD CPUS because of compatibility issues and I want to test old video cards. I am building a PIII 450 I am going to underclock to 300MHz and use as a testbed for ISA, PCI and early AGP video cards. The K6-II just seems superfluous to me.

I actually just recently de-lidded my k6 :D

@PrzeszczepiX

6 жыл бұрын

Panzer! Iv me too :D actually K6 looks very similar to K7/Athlon when delidded :P

Well, we knew the Pentium IIs were superior back then when I got my K6-2 400. But it was the AMD or staying with my P133. Intel was just to expensive for a pupil like me. Was great for Half Life and Shogo. Wasn't good enough anymore for serious sam. That's when I got my Duron Spitfire 750 and a Irongate mainbpoard. Good times! :-)

@BastetFurry

7 жыл бұрын

This. ~300 DM versus ~1500 DM for a frigging CPU was quite a difference, especially if you waited a bit and got the same CPU for 120 DM half a year later at the Hobbytronic in Dortmund. ;) For the uninitiated, the Hobbytronic was an annual computer fair here in Germany until 2008 when they closed their doors for the last time.

@brandonupchurch7628

7 жыл бұрын

While the P2 were insanely expensive wouldn't a celeron 300A and a 440BX board have been a better deal than any K6, the 300A performs almost identically to a P2 300, which would still dominate a 400mhz K6, and could easily be overclocked to 450mhz by setting the FSB to 100mhz in many cases without even bumping the voltage.

@njspencer79

7 жыл бұрын

Except they came along later. The K6-2 and iii basically pushed intel to make theose Celeron's else they would have lost the budget and mid range to AMD.

@brandonupchurch7628

7 жыл бұрын

The 366mhz and faster K6's (Chomper Extended core) didn't come around until November of 1998 and the Celeron 300A had already been released in August, and the Covington cores with no L2 had already been release in early 1998, from what I can tell an overclocked Covington was pretty competitive to a higher clocked K6

@hmpeter

7 жыл бұрын

I do not have access to my old magazines with price lists right now, but I think overall system cost was still higher with Intel. Buying that AMD machine took almos my year's salary for delivering newspapers. ^^ Even budget machines were expensive. You could buy those Celerons pre-selected for overclocking and pay a nice bonus for that, or you could buy the bad ones (unselected - yeah, right) for the normal price. To risky for me then. But I bet someone who was a little older than me, willing to take a risk and being more experienced with OC could have built a nice Celeron system back then.

Few years back as a temporary everyday machine I set up a K6-2 500... WinXP was tolerable, but anything that used math was sluggish to the point of unusable, and the 3D Pipes screensaver often locked it up. Soon had enough and switched to a P2-400, and it was night and day. I'd never been an AMD fan, but now I'm less so!

I had a k62-500, it was an upgrade from a dx4-100, was a huge upgrade at that time.

I have this CPU in a Socket-7 P/I-P55T2P4 Asus mobo designed to accomodate up to P233. Actually, it's a K6-2+ and through some tricks I've managed to make it run at full speed (6x83). It's blistering fast in 'productivity' applications but in gaming it's mixed bag, in most cases even a Pentium MMX @291 makes mincemeat of it.

What really hurt the K6-2 was the fact that it relied on motherboard cache, which was at the mercy of the front side bus speed. You very, very quickly got diminishing returns from upping the CPU clock when your FSB was limited to 100 MHz. Sure, the CPU is running at 500, but it's spending a lot of time waiting for the memory which was running at 20% speed. It was very dependent on which instructions were being executed since they all have different cycle counts. The K6-2+ was a noticeable step up, with cache now being onboard the CPU and running at the same speed. It would be interesting to redo this comparison with the P2 but against a K6-2+ or even a K6-3 with double the cache.

Thanks Phil, I have one socket 7 board with a K6-2 400 and it works well. Getting a good Motherboard is really getting harder these days, and expensive

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

Agreed, I got mine many years ago when everyone was chasing 486 stuff.

nice!

Between my old PII 450, K6II @ 550 Mhz and the K6III @ 500 the Pentium II was always quicker but the K6 III was quite speedy in comparison to the K6 II. I don't have any of those processors anymore.

How does it fare under the best conditions, with both software and drivers making good use of 3DNow? Does it ever get close to P2 450 performance?

I had that cpu, and a voodoo 3 2000.

@5roundsrapid263

3 жыл бұрын

I had a K6-2 350 clocked at 400, and a Voodoo3 2000 overclocked to 3000 speed. It was fast, but then I got a K6-2 500. It was ridiculously fast for the price.

k6-2 can be clocked like mad ;] I was running one at huge overclock back in the days

How dows the pentium ii compare to the K6-III+? I'd say the stakes would be higher given both have the same FSB and L1 cache.

I remember those days well me and my kids built systems just like this they had K 6 2's or K 7's not sure which with voodoo 3.000 cards pci we had to buy cheaper stuff cause we were doing few systems at once and the pci voodoo cards were cheaper too but performed well

While definitely slower than the Intel counterparts it was definitely nice to have the competition. If AMD didn't come around then we would be paying thousands for i3 level of performance CPUs today.

amd k6-2 500MHz was really a disappointment for me back then. Celeron 300MHz was killing it for almost the same price :)

I remember doing a K6-2 500 build back around 2000 2001 as I was a huge AMD fan and wanted to show up my buddy with his P3 did not go so well lol

My K6-2 system keeps giving me blue screens and windows protection errors in any OS newer than Windows 3.11. Any suggestions?(I’m thinking it could be a ram issue, I only have 64MB)

I would point out that although the K6-2 did not have a pipelined FPU unlike the PII. On most games you could run at or above the monitor refresh and max resolution of CRTs available in the day unless you had a crazy high-end CRT. The question intel of the day PII vs K6-2. PII had superior performance at 3 to 4x the price at 10 -30% performance difference. The K6-2 gave a lot of bang for the buck. Also by the time 500 came out the Athlons were available too. Which had a better clock for clock performance including FPU. One thing that is forgotten a lot if the sequence in which these were available, price and relative gfx limits of the time.

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

From a historical perspective times and prices are indeed important, but that data is also very hard to find. For example the K6-2 came out quite late, the Pentium was already on the market for a while and Intel did drop prices as well. So I'm not sure about 4x the price... But what my channel is mostly about is building retro PCs now, so how much something cost in the past, does it really matter? I try to show what a CPU could be used for and when to look for something else.

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

I looked up historical prices, and in August of 1999, Intel dropped the price of the Pentium III 450 to $ 183. But I think this was more in response to the Athlon, not because of the K6-2 500.

@njspencer79

7 жыл бұрын

it was less a comment to your video and more general having lived it. the 400+ came along with Athlon within 6 months. The k5 was the Pentium counterpart and k6 and k6-2 were not as performance. Does it matter now? no both of legacy laptops for gaming have Intel inside. back then AMD. now the costs of 20 year old stuff it doesn't matter. The k6-2 300s were out in 1998 the 500s came much later. My comment was more pointing that k6-2s were out before Celeron As. That is not true. Does it matter now? yes and no. no all this stuff is available at pennies. but yes I think the history matters. the k6-2 500 was more or less amds Celeron as Athlon was coming on market at same time.

@njspencer79

7 жыл бұрын

PhilsComputerLab I wanted also to say I enjoyed the video. Hope you do more like it in the future,

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks, I hope so too :)

I remember when my father took our Pentium 100 for upgrade the seller asked 70% more for a Pentium II 400, to swap RAM, MB e CPU. It's a K6-2 500 that I have stored in my garage

That 90's porn music at the beginning lol :P Something out of NCIX Tech Tips' old intro!

@snetmotnosrorb3946

7 жыл бұрын

But, you know... this _is_ porn ;)

Have you tested the new AMD k6-2+ 570 mhz really sell on ebay ?

Oh baby. This was one of the first CPU's I had in a custom PC. 500 MHZ AMD K6-2. I thought I was hot shit. Then I got a 700 MHz AMD Duron and overclocked that bitch to 784 MHz. I was on top of the world and the 8-10 FPS gain I got rocked my world.

I had a K6-2 500 like that 'till 2002...

I' ve also got the AMD K6-2! I sadly threw the motherboard away once

You can overclock the k2-500 to 550 - and If i remember correct use 133 memory. (SOYO motherboard)

@LionWithTheLamb

7 жыл бұрын

Those Soyo Dragon boards were awesome. I really liked Abit and Shuttle as well.

Intel Celeron and K6-II had the same slow down issues not matter how fast they were clocked due to their FSB was stuck at 66 MHZ and most boards could not be over clocked. The boards couldn’t send information fast enough and FPS would stutter and slowdown far more often during mid to high action parts in games like Quake 2 or half life.

Por favor que que tarjeta gráfica utilizas en esta prueba , gracias amigo

Eurgh. The music.

@eloquent_ape

7 жыл бұрын

Everything else was top notch as always, though, Phil. My comment above was a total kneejerk reaction.

@si4632

3 жыл бұрын

music was great lol best bit

Regarding music - I don't mind it at all. Viewers expect everything to be perfect for their taste. They complain as if the soundtrack affected the benchmark results.Sheesh! Still, if you are determined to try something different, then retro-wave is the best bet, to match the content. To avoid dealing with copyright issues, I suggest recording MIDI"s off your synthesizers or wavetable boards. That way you can have recognizable tunes and an original rendition that (sort of) counts are your own performance, unless MIDI contains explicit copyright instructions in the metadata. With MIDI's you're the orchestra and can go heavy on effects to make it sound retro-wavy. Yamaha MU80 does the job well.

Back in 1999 all I could afford was a $399.00 USD low end eMachines eTower 300K with an AMD K6-2 processor @ 300 Mhz. It didn't have an AGP slot.Basically I had the choice at the time of getting that or a used Pentium 166 Mhz MMX PC for $250.00 USD in a local newspaper ad. But I did buy a 3Dfx Voodoo 3 2000 PCI card for that eMachines and upgraded the power supply and the processor to a 450 Mhz one. I also got a CD-RW drive and a ATI TV Wonder card for it so I could record TV programs and make Video CD's. Oh I also upgraded the tiny original 2.1 GB Hard Drive to a 15 GB one.

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

I think that Voodoo was a smart decision as most Glide games go easy on the CPU.

@m9078jk3

7 жыл бұрын

Phil I recently purchased a Kingston Turbochip 366 with a AMD K6-2 processor upgrade for either Socket 5 or Socket 7 systems.There is a nice advantage being able to upgrade 1995 to 1997 era systems that would be otherwise shelved.

I had an AMD K6-2 350 and later a K6-2 450. Those were fine CPU´s at their time for the price they cost. It is more fair to compare them with the Intel Celeron CPU´s. I know they weren´t meant to be competitors of the celerons, but they in fact were if you look at price and performance. Though I will not pretend, that I wasn´t glad to change my K6-2 450 to the 1 GHz Athlon Thunderbird :). THAT was a huge step.

I have read that Quake games don't run well on K6 CPUs because their engines can only use the FPU of a K6 on the rising front, while they can use the FPU of Intel CPUs on both the rising and descending fronts. So, how does the K6 compare with the Pentium 2, when running Unreal?

Was my fist pc I built my self amd k6 2

I don't know if it was the Motherboard that I had but my k6-2 machine was terrible, but it did run Q2 pretty well.

@m9078jk3

6 жыл бұрын

There was also a well known special AMD K6-2 patch which enabled 3DNOW enhancements for Quake 2 and boosted the performance of that game so that it was on par with Intel's high end Pentium II processor. web.archive.org/web/20001210093700/www.amd.com:80/products/cpg/k623d/quake/download.htm

Processor pertama saya :) K6II

It would be awesome if you could ever make a video about K7 boards with ISA (I recommend the Abit KT7A or the Iwill KK266(Plus). With AMD Athlon XP-M CPUs they can overclock and underclock much better than any Pentium III. These boards have Universial AGP. I really like these boards because they have much better performance than SS7, Slot 1 and Socket 370.

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

I don't have much from that era and would go with a modern Socket A board. I do the same with Slot 1, using a nice 440BX chipset board, rather than a period correct 440LX for example.

@moritzrudolf5370

7 жыл бұрын

The best socket 462 mainboards have the KT133A chipset with the 686B southbridge which can cause issues with a SB Live. WIth most other cards this won't happen. I think it's just really cool to have such powerful hardware (an XP-M can often overclock to 2.5+GHz) but still have the ability to underclock to 300Mhz and have support for DOS soundcards. Slot 1 on the other hand will be much slower even with a Tualatin CPU. As for CPU choice, the mobile 35w 1.35V (normal dektop is 65w 1.65V) Barton 2400+ (AXMD2400FJQ4C) should be the absolute best overclocker for sokcet A thanks to it's open multiplier and it's insanely low stock voltage. To maximize the performance it is possible to overclock to bus to 150-160MHz (with the right board) and use some good SDRAM which can do CL2 at that speed (Mushkin Rev.3, Kingmax PC166, Tonicom PC166 or some sticks with 7ns Infineon chips).

@armorgeddon

7 жыл бұрын

When 686B came out is was really problematic with SB Live and also causing data corruption in IDE-bus. But I ran Via 686B (in combination with KT266 though (MSI K7-Master)) with SB Live for 6 years without any trouble. You just had to avoid IRQ-sharing and run the latest BIOS.

@turrican4d599

Жыл бұрын

@@moritzrudolf5370 All those Athlon XPs I wrecked with a malfunctioning Vapochill... 😪

Currently building a K6-3 450 machine which reaches 92fps in Plain DOS VGA QUAKE. Maybe this cpu would be a better comparison due to its cache.

K6 performance is a lot dependent on driver choices and the motherboard being used. Phill I will use K6 2-500 at stock clocks but do all my other known tweeking and see how it does is quake 2 :)

@SkalabalaK6

7 жыл бұрын

Ok, did the test :) With all settings and drivers for 3DMARK 2000 optimization I ran Quake 2 Demo1. I got 76.2 Fps :) My overclocked K6-3+ only got 113 Fps :(

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

That's pretty decent! The K6-III+ is the chip I recommend if your board supports it. The on chip L2 Cache makes a massive difference, but it helps only so much offset the weaker FPU.

do you have voodoo 5 5500.. do a video about it compare it with petuim 3!!!!