Thanks for watching! Please remember to be polite in the comments. Any comments that we consider to be offensive or aggressive will be removed. Watch the rest of our Troubles series: Episode 1 - Origins: kzread.info/dash/bejne/e3yAu8d7pKrcf8o.html Episode 2 - Escalation: kzread.info/dash/bejne/mHujk5mMedmzgrA.html Episode 3 - Division: kzread.info/dash/bejne/gIKhxbSofrCpZag.html Episode 4 - Peace: kzread.info/dash/bejne/eGmGzrmxmdW_ibA.html Behind the scenes of our exhibition - kzread.info/dash/bejne/nmmn3LiNmc-oddI.html

Coming from an institution with the word Imperial in it's name, this was an incredibly balanced, fair and well-done series; and as someone with Irish parents and grandparents, have thoroughly appreciated. Thank you.

@b.mcboatface7319

11 ай бұрын

I don't believe this is 'balanced'. I think it is a cynical attempt to present the Troubles, just as the british establishment has been presenting it since it began... as a bunch of protestants and catholics who couldn't get along. With poor neutral Westminister in between. That is not how it went down. E.g. did you go away with the impression that it was the RUC police who did the early killing? Did you go away thinking the british army had tortured people? Like it had done prior to NI in Kenya, Cyprus, Malaysia, ... Of course not. One of the videos is even titled "self imposed apartheid". If a South African said Apartheid was "self imposed" ... would you think neutral or raving white supremacist. Sure, it mentions Bloody Sunday. But conspicuously avoids mentions the same paratroopers were involved in 4 civilian shootings. I.e. just enough to appear neutral, while simultaneously retelling a fixed narrative. If that all sounds conspiracy theory... google "Information Research Department"

@moos5221

11 ай бұрын

The wikipedia articles about the Ballymurphy massacre and Bloody Sunday massacre are interesting lecture. After reading those and watching the documentary you will likely come to the conclusion that the British Imperial War Musuem does a pretty good job at depicting the actions of the republicans and the unionists but fails to really expose the actions and failures of the british army and institutions. It's one thing when a paramilitary force commits crimes and another thing when a government and army of a nation commits massacres, war crimes and then covers those up and the people who are responsible for several acts of murder are to this day not being prosecuted. This should have been adressed in the documentary in my opinion.

@30secondstomarsMBH

7 ай бұрын

​@@b.mcboatface7319 I watched this and got the impression that actually it was making it quite clear that the govt was intent on meddling where it saw fit, often to the detriment of civilians. Fact is I definitely feel like there's a hatred and bigotry amongst British military members. I think that's obvious because of how theres a lot of soldiers with views on Muslims so I think there would've been definite discrimination. But I think largely the soldiers were just there to do their jobs. It's more a governmental issue than a personal issue. The documentary did make me realise how it was basically just England not wanting to give up Ireland with a few Irish people wanting to be British. British government at almost every turn in the first few years just doing absolutely the wrong thing.

@user-jb5fd3tm2t

5 ай бұрын

​@@b.mcboatface7319it's because of people like you this will never go away. I grew up in the worst of the troubles. I know how it works. It really is the lines of you that still give hope to this who want the old days back. It's time to move on. Everyone on e ery side did horrendous things. It's now time for all to accept that, move on and not preach hatred to the youngsters.

"Peace is possible for those with the courage to seek it" 🇬🇧❤️🇮🇪

@itsjohndell

Жыл бұрын

Never better said.

@ShineyFX

Жыл бұрын

I’m not sure any other words could say it better.

@namelesshorsey

7 ай бұрын

Hope the same will be truth for the current conflict going on between palestina and israel

The Imperial War Museum in London is, by far, the best museum of any type I've ever visited. This channel is fast becoming one of my favourite on KZread.

@22carmoon

Жыл бұрын

I love that museum, every time I come back to the UK I go there. Huge fan of their WW1 exhibit.

This series has helped me understand the political side, as well as both sides of the armed struggle, of the so-called 'Troubles.'

@raymondwilliamblack

Жыл бұрын

It wasn't an "ARMED STRUGGLE "it was a gang of murdering psychopaths who killed their own if they opposed them men and women prepared to bomb ;shoot and main women and babies while declaring themselves heroes of Ireland and some of the worst offenders were Catholic Priests who planed atrocities and indeed took part in murders.

@moos5221

11 ай бұрын

Now that you understand both sides of the troubles you should educate yourself and also learn about the 3rd sides involvement, namely the british government and how murderers in the british army are till this day not being held responsible for several massacres. It's ridiculous when english people point their fingers at for example China for the tiananmen square massacre but still cover up their own war crimes commited in NI.

@Irish-1916

6 ай бұрын

@@moos5221on the money 💯

Excellent series. Very helpful to understand the conflict. Great job!

Fantastic series. The more people engage with this often neglected subject, the more chance there is for lasting peace

Excellent break down of WTF happened in Ireland. I learned a lot and wish the Irish a strong and vibrant future.

As an American I've never seen a more comprehensive looks at the troubles than this video, keep the videos coming!

Superb series and I’ve learnt a great deal, the IWM approaches the subject matter with care and balance.

Great series. Been meaning to find something to watch to give me a better understanding of “The Troubles” as an American. I had a history teacher some years ago with Irish background who taught us about the height of The Troubles and I’ve always been interested in learning more.

@johnnyralib4008

10 ай бұрын

May I recommend you refer to Peter Taylor's excellent documentaries / books "Provos" "Loyalists" & "Brits"

@Charlie-pu9bx

4 ай бұрын

I recommend the book Making Sense of the Troubles by David McKittrick and David McVea. I've nearly finished reading it and it is a great, non biased look at the conflict.

Great series. Would love to see more in this fashion on other topics. 3-parts felt "right".

Great series - one of my favourites.

A really helpful and interesting summary of the path to where we are now. Behind all the injustice, oppression, violence and shattered lives are so many good, honest hard people who just want to get on with their lives

Outstanding presentation and series. Thank you again for your hard work. It has expanded my knowledge of this conflict. Thank you again.

This material is well researched and well presented. One would hope that it would become part of school history and civics curricula in the UK. I'm frequently surprised by how little UK folk understand about the recent history of their own country. 1066, the Norman Invasion, the Romans are nice to know about. But this is need to know stuff. It affects daily lives today. Ask yourself, "if UK voters had a better grasp of the story told in this video, would they have chosen Brexit?" We will never know, but the risks associated with NI were brushed aside in the run up to the referendum in 2016.

@Michael_Chater

Жыл бұрын

I haven't learnt any of this at school (graduate this year) and almost all of the information in this series is new to me. In honesty, I didn't know that the troubles happened so recently. That really shocked me

@Dreyno

Жыл бұрын

@@Michael_ChaterIt’s quite bizarre that such events in what is a still a constituent part of the U.K. is completely ignored. Even Irish independence a century ago should really be a part of the curriculum. It’s taught in Irish schools so most people here have at least a grasp of it all. What tends to happen is people in the U.K. do their own “research” later on which is often heavily slanted to the British side and reinforces their existing bias. Then they take to the internet to argue with Irish people, many of whom lived through the events in question and often take a very condescending tone while they do it because they found some revisionist bollocks which suits the narrative they want to hear.

@quandaledingle7812

Жыл бұрын

Most people in the UK can’t even point to Northern Ireland on a map, if they knew about all this they still wouldn’t care because they don’t respect Northern Ireland

@markgallagher5908

Жыл бұрын

@@Dreyno The conflict isn't even a difficult one to comprehend, a foreign power occupies part of Ireland and denies the indigenous population even their most basic of civil rights, the catholics protest and are then further repressed and many innocent unarmed protestors gunned down by British soldiers. Then as a last resort catholics turned to violence to achieve their aims resulting in the the British gov colluding with loyalists in their sectarian murder campaign against catholics then with the help of MI5 the loyalists even bombed Monaghan and Dublin where 33 innocent civilians died. The whole conflict would serve as an example of how not to deal with a civil rights movement. Even with all this information at hand ignorant commentators will go online and make stupid remarks about the IRA being terrorists while completely whitewashing their own governments actions. A lack of education isn't an excuse as a few google searches will provide context to the conflict.

@bunk95

4 ай бұрын

Humans dont understand fiction theyve read?

Top Notch series! Good information for a short series. Thanks 👍

I've enjoyed this series, well done.

This has been a truly exceptional series of videos.

Very interesting thank you. I'm so glad you shed a light a light on this important chapter on British Northern Irish and Irish History.

Brilliant balance in the telling of the story, no bias, really appreciated.

Brilliant series, top quality and in this day and age - a rare jewel of impartiality. Thanks to all involved

Great series

This was informative and well put together, beautiful! I'd like to learn more about the Suez Crisis, could you consider doing a. video or two on that? :)

@alphamikeomega5728

Жыл бұрын

TimeGhost History has a series on it.

Very well explained.

Outstanding video and series.

Good morning, from Oz. That was a really interesting series. I was born in Britian and still could not tell you why the British were in Northern Island and what t it was all about. As a young man living there it was so confusing, and not a subject that was ever discussed in the local pub. Because there was always someone who had some grievance to share on the subject. Thanks again, brilliant series. And I love your channel. Cheers

@raymondhaskin9449

Жыл бұрын

The local people in Northern Ireland are mainly British. That’s why they’re there. It’s quite simple.

@briancarton1804

Жыл бұрын

@@raymondhaskin9449 The mainly British people in NI are the decendents of invaders who stole land. The Irish don't want then out. The Irish just want their country united and governed by Irish.

The british gov literally said to the IRA ‘decommission all your guns and we’ll talk ceasefire’ as if they would surrender and have no back up plan 🤦🏻‍♂️

Superb series, very well done. Let's hope there's not another part to be made when it all falls apart again. The people behind Brexit have a lot to answer for.

@g9604

Жыл бұрын

In what way will it fall apart again?

@indogoUI

11 ай бұрын

Next step is a united Ireland the only thing falling apart will be the UK

The ongoing situation is that the "British" Isles is ruled by many different Parliaments. The Isle of Man for example and Northern Ireland Assembly (when it's working) , Scottish Parliament and the Dail and we also have many ties with EU Oz USA Canada NZ etc..I lived through the troubles and discovered how to sort it >> have tourists not terrorists

Really enjoyed this informative series

Interesting, not much I have learnt here though because I was born in 1968 and therefore lived through the whole sorry saga and only left years after the Good Friday Agreement. I’ll never move back to the country, zero interest in the place and who could be surprised, so many people left for good.

I love the Derry Girls mural. Class.

Went to Belfast got family from there a quality little place to go to

Love your work 👍

The part I find saddest about the troubles is not only how pointless the death was, but how people justify doing horrific things to each other. Victory was never going to be won in violence but thankfully it was won in peace and I hope no matter what happens we will chart together our future together in peaceful cooperation leaving our troubles behind us. Nothing will ever justify what the English did to Ireland in the past and likewise nothing will ever justify what the extremist groups did to each other or to every day people.

@NoOneInParticular88

8 күн бұрын

the peace wouldve never even been discussed without the IRA's violence? no jobs, no housing, all talks were ignored? they only began discussing equal rights after the violence, otherwise the government would be content to oppress people. so it seems victory was won in violence. the entire story seems to be about "fighting for freedom", just like several murals in ireland literally say

I wasn’t walking home from school in 2000 - everyday walked past a blue ford escort parked next to the road by traffic light. It’s was sitting low - my gut was like “don’t”. Turns out - it was a ammo dump during a disarmament phase. It was FULL of weapons Ammon and Grenades etc.. There’s ALOT of splinter groups in Both sides GFA didn’t stop the hate pipe bombings at my street - we lived “too close” to loyists

No Mountbattan?

Interesting to hear the Belfast Agreement called a fudge and hear about the demographics behind it. Certainly a different interpretation from what is perhaps in mainstream media. Interesting that the Agreement isn't held up as the be all or end all event but one of a series of agreements over a series of time which still isn't perfect. I think the lesson here is that there is still much that needs to be done possibly even the need for a new agreement to correct what the Belfast Agreement passed over or possibly even surpass it.

@Dreyno

Жыл бұрын

“Fudge” is loosely used when describing it. It was appropriately vague where it had to be. A fudge suggests it was done to mislead. It was perfectly adequate until two things happened. Brexit, which threw the border issue back into the mixer and secondly, Sinn Fein becoming the largest party. The DUP has never even answered the question (asked repeatedly by journalists over the last decade) as to whether they would go into government as the smaller party to Sinn Fein. Now it’s happened and they haven’t accepted a democratic mandate. No agreement can be adequate of people are not willing to operate within it’s parameters. It’s telling that the DUP were not signatories to the agreement in the first place.

The children of Northern Ireland need to be free the prejudice of their parents and grandparents. They are the ones passing on the deep rooted hatred. I grew up in the worst of the troubles. However having left NI and not being subject to hatred I quickly realised that there is no need for the hatred of the other side and that it's mostly to the benefit of those wanting to keep it going.

Good explainer, but; The 1994 ceasefire was in August, PIRA carried out attacks after April 1994,

Because they were riddled with informants and their days were numbered was a major factor.

maybe I am blind, but did those four-episode not mention the IRA killing of Lord Mountbatten?

This series was amazing. However, one aspect which I think is quite wrong is the fact that they refer to it as a conflict between 2 sides (hinting that it was between Loyalists and Nationalist communities). The Republican campaign was almost always targeted at the British Army and the British State itself rather than their neighbours. This is definitely noteworthy.

The Irish Republican Army (IRA) is a paramilitary organization that has been involved in the conflict in Northern Ireland for several decades. The IRA's decision to put down its weapons and end its armed campaign can be attributed to a combination of factors, including political developments and peace negotiations. The peace process in Northern Ireland gained momentum in the late 1990s, leading to the signing of the Good Friday Agreement in 1998. This agreement aimed to establish a power-sharing government in Northern Ireland and bring an end to the sectarian violence that had plagued the region. The IRA's decision to disarm was a crucial element of the peace process. One of the key factors that influenced the IRA's decision was the recognition that its armed campaign had not achieved its political objectives. The IRA sought a united Ireland, free from British rule, but the ongoing violence and loss of life had not moved the situation closer to that goal. The IRA's leadership realized that they needed to explore political and diplomatic avenues to achieve their aims. Furthermore, international pressure and the changing geopolitical landscape also played a role in the IRA's decision. The United States and other countries had designated the IRA as a terrorist organization, and this designation had significant implications for the group's ability to operate and receive support. The global shift towards condemning and combating terrorism made it increasingly difficult for the IRA to sustain its armed campaign. Negotiations between political parties, including Sinn Féin (the political wing of the IRA), and the British and Irish governments were instrumental in convincing the IRA to decommission its weapons. The negotiations resulted in agreements such as the Good Friday Agreement and subsequent accords that provided a roadmap for a peaceful resolution to the conflict. In 2005, the IRA announced an end to its armed campaign and its commitment to exclusively peaceful means. The decommissioning of its weapons followed, and the IRA effectively ceased its military operations. It's important to note that while the IRA officially disbanded and decommissioned its weapons, there have been sporadic incidents and splinter groups that continue to engage in violence. However, the IRA's decision to put down its weapons marked a significant step towards the resolution of the conflict in Northern Ireland and the pursuit of peaceful means to address political aspirations.

Myriad reasons. They had been heavily infiltrated by Military Intelligence. The British were going nowhere either. It finally dawned on both sides that they live in the same territory and although they didn’t like each other it was not worth another 40 years of slaughter. A way had to be found to live, not with each other (they live in distinct and separate areas) but not killing each other. However it is not power sharing as oft described, it is power division, there is a difference.

An observation - the agreement allowed so-called political prisoners, on both sides, who had committed murder to go free. It meant that most suffered less time in prison than those convicted of petty theft in the UK. This still rankles, with bombers and other murderers doing media interviews justifying their actions. Unpleasant and undermining respect for the legal system.

what i find so hard to understand is that wouldn't the solution to all of this would be if britain just gave Ireland their independence, like what was the reasoning for holding on for

@TheGoodOldDays-IsNow

2 ай бұрын

The British would like nothing better than to wash their hands of Ireland, but it isn't that simple. There are approximately 1 million people living in Northern Ireland whose heritage is, in great part, British-Scottish, but they have, after 400 years, every right to be there. Many of them might be willing to join a united Ireland, especially the younger generations, under some conditions. However, there are many others who do not want to be part of Ireland, meaning they do not want independence, they want to keep their heritage and remain part of the UK. To "force" reunification would open up old wounds and the conflict could get violent again very quickly - i.e. the Troubles are back. Also, as an Irishman, I would love to see a united Ireland, but I'm pretty sure we could not afford to carry the cost of such a reunification.

Northern Ireland conflict, complicated is an understatement. Different groups, ideologies, It would seem while Northern Ireland remained a part of Britain , there would not be any conflict, but that was not the case. While there was conlict in Northern Ireland , there appeared to be far less conflict in the Republic of Ireland. The video was informative , the video series are informative and gives information into the history, split of Ireland, Northern Ireland.

Mo Mowlam did good work over here.

May want to do a little bit more research on so called sinn Fein spy ring or at least add to it😅. But nice video non the less.

What about the issues of borders? Why didn’t this video cover that?

Why dont they form a new Irish government in northern Ireland if it will prevent a new issue and sign a new agreement under equal terms. Gain new political leverage to enhance talks through the creation of new goodwill to influence talks on trade.🍾

I feel you skipped two very important points. The first is the heroic work done by John Hume in talking to Sinn Fein and bringing them along the road to peace. Without that effort, I am not sure that a peace process would ever have taken hold. The second is that you imply that after the St. Andrew's agreement, the DUP were suddenly amenable to power sharing. In reality, it is the fact that they were threatened by joint administration over NI by Ireland and the UK. That forced them into power sharing. Anything was better than allowing Ireland any significant sovereignty over NI. Dr. Paisley would rather lie down with the devil, and he did. In my humble opinion.

@ST-ur7oh

Жыл бұрын

Ah yes good old JH, the man who never endorsed the RUC when they were saving lives from the folks JH was chatting to the shady streets and corners.

@barryb90

Жыл бұрын

@@ST-ur7oh The RUC were the main instigators of the whole conflict.

@louisfinegan4546

Жыл бұрын

@@ST-ur7oh sorry I did not see your reply. you seem to imply that it is imperative that people "endorse" the RUC. The RUC represented one side in the conflict. You are free to call them "the legitimate authorities" if you like. I think it is fair to say that while some, probably most, of them were "saving lives" others were colluding in the murder of those from the opposing side. Where there is no consent to be governed by a specific group, it is hard to accept or endorse any representation of that group as legitimate. I defer to "The Derry Girls" here "if you count the Jewish fella in Ballymena, there were three Catholics in the RUC".

Serious flaw with the peace deal. Power sharing guarantees the largest Unionist and Nationalist parties First and Deputy First ministers. Even if a party like the Alliance Party won 90% of the seats they'd still not get either of the top jobs. The deal overlooked the possibility of any other faction having political power.

@g9604

Жыл бұрын

I agree with what you say in relation to power sharing and how it has failed, however what was the agreements main purpose? For me it was about stopping the killing which it largely has done.

Peace needs to maintained until the violence is beyond living memory. When all of this is just stories young people won't feel the need for vengeance.

@quandaledingle7812

Жыл бұрын

Tell that to the DUP

Surely a more interesting question, would be why haven't thr UVF

Being an Air Force brat stationed in England 67 73 we would have bomb threats a lot on base in the commissary, told not to touch the cereal boxes there could be bombs in it, I think our parents just told us that so we would not touch everything, we would anyway we would shake the s*** out of every box we could😂!!!

Basically everybody got fed up with fighting and economic situation begun to improve so they decided not to squabble - for the moment. But none of the underlying causes were removed.

This seems like a well made series that doesn't take any sides and in regards to the republicans and unionists that might be true...BUT the documentary fails to put enough emphasis on the actions of the british army and government and how the massacres commited by the british army were covered up and not investigated and the murderers are still enjoying the life in freedom instead of a prison cell where they belong. This is no surprise, since the documentary comes from a british institution, but it's still sad, that even today the british can't take responsibility for their actions.

12:12 The voice-over mentions young people not having issues with having friends from the opposite side of the conflict, as the video shows a mural of the main characters of Derry Girls, a show where young Catholics, among other things, get into fights with Protestants. (Granted, all of the fights are petty, and they were young people in the mid-90s, not in the 2020s as the narrator explains)

@davewilliams3654

Жыл бұрын

i have friends from Portadown/Armagh/Belfast who very much DID have issues with having friends from the opposite side - granted they have calmed in their views but still didn't sop then referring to me as a hun (i used to call them taigs in return so was all "in jest")

As a watcher of ferrets from a long line of English tall women and oblong Irish men who could change ends awful fast and demi-sleek, I say colours too

If only Palestine/Israel could learn from this example found abroad.

The Northern-most part of Ireland is NOT actually in "Northern" Ireland at all. The most Northerly part of Ireland is County Donegal, which is in the Republic of Ireland, sometimes referred to as "the South" by the geographically challenged.

Great video knew sooner or later more videos from channels would be done on ireland and britan however one thing which you forgot to mention which was surrently a factor in peace plans britan massacred protesters large scale and more so small scale multiple times.

Seeing as this series was told from a purely British perspective, it comes as no surprise that there are some serious omissions from the story of the conflict in Ireland or should I say, between Ireland and Britain. Although it was a fairly decent attempt at giving some balance, the biggest take away from this series is that the conflict only began in the 1920s and that it was primarily fought between Irish Republicans and British Loyalists. NO mention of the central role of successive British regimes and NO mention of the fact that our conflict has not only endured for over 8 centuries, but was caused and in may ways orchestrated by the British with the English aristocracy at the helm. The British government and British (secretly German) royalty are and always have been at the heart of the war in Ireland and institutions such as the Imperial war museum would do well to stop omitting this fact and for once tell the whole truth. But as I said, its what we've come to expect from the British who never own up to what they've done not just in Ireland but around the world.

@Londubh1

Жыл бұрын

Exactly.

@craigs4647

11 ай бұрын

If you look at the first one you'll see the series begins in the 1500s and then goes on to deal with the plantation, later 1600s, etc

Well it will not be former British colony if it doesn't have eternal tensions

I and was born in 1994 during the ceasefire, I remember getting talks about staying away from mysterious bags and if I ever see someone leave something down and walking away, to run away straight away. Luckily I never experienced a bombing, a true child of the peace process 😎👍

This just highlights the reason why the brits found such an easy target in Ireland. There has never been a unified resistance in the entire history of Ireland. The fighting Irish made a tradition of fighting with each other.

@Londubh1

Жыл бұрын

Exactly.

@Kwekubo

11 ай бұрын

You've missed the whole point of the video - the loyalist side were, and are, British. Why on earth would they have fought against British soldiers?

@Kampbell300

10 ай бұрын

You must be American…

@blueneptune825

10 ай бұрын

An easy target?😂😂😂

Don't forget the 1977 outline agreement Bob Nairac handled from the Regular IRA. Johnny Mercer's I-Corps SAS Handler, he somehow took an approach very similar to the Stormont Agreement, and was promptly disposed of by the Provisionals. Offered his job, I did a due diligence check and got the RIRA to talk (which wasn't difficult, they were spitting feathers, it was hard to get them to calm down): they believed Fred Mulley, the UK Defence Minister, had sold them out. Further background checking inside the House of Commons revealed this wasn't far from the truth, so I found something more useful to do. Fifteen years later, now working with some of the lads who took the Iranians down, I cleared the air, as by then it was history, and I'd made my mark as a freelancer.

Ah brexit, it just keeps giving.

because the brit economy had grown and poverty didnt drive army recruitment like the 80s

I dont understand why the British have any interest in tiny ireland even economically- dont they already have a lot of countries grandfathered in from old imperialism and colonialism? I know the late queen actually made britain less pip hat colonial and more modern day friendly when she could have pushed for more violence...perhaps she is just a figure head but she said she loved scotland....is it more than just an embarrasment to the sunsetlless crown that it has all corners of the globe with the british flag but not its own back yard? Thats like napolean ruling the world but not his home town...i get that ireland embarasses britain in that it just wont fully take it and the pride of the crown power just hated it couldnt absorb its neighbor yet no trouble far far away

A part of me would like to believe that Dolores O'Riordan and the song Zombie might have paid a small role.

Unfortunately a lot of I.R.A terro rists were released from prison (people that murdered innocent Irish men, women & children because of the Labour government whom went on to start an illegal war with Iraq destroying the lives of millions... The left may hang their heads in shame for their legacy. Nothing short of disgusting.

@arthurgoodness7865

Жыл бұрын

Loyalist terrorists also availed of early release. And let’s not forget the British State terrorists who never even when to prison for some of their crimes on the island of Ireland. And don’t forget about the republican and loyalist terrorists who also enjoyed protection from the British State for countless murders of innocent men, women and children. Some terrorists In Northern Ireland have been able to enjoy a very comfortable life at the expense of the British taxpayers. Nice houses, cars, family holidays and all paid for by the great British taxpayers. You couldn’t make it up.

@anniegrath1417

Жыл бұрын

And what about the British military terrorists ?? Never brought to justice!

Falsifiable hypothesis: positive feedback loops: poverty, violence; affluence, reduced violence. Likeliest hot spots are the poorest ones; most influential for peace, most affluent.

This is the reason why, my good brexiteers, there could never ever have been a British border on the Island of Ireland. But then again, you hadn't a clue....

@dirtyrat886

Жыл бұрын

This just a comment to get a response don’t reply to this warmonger

@corkboy4523

Жыл бұрын

@@dirtyrat886 he’s correct though

@lukesalvidge118

Жыл бұрын

​@@dirtyrat886 I would argue it's not wrong tho

The british very clever people indeed.

@Londubh1

Жыл бұрын

Devious would be more correct.

Overall it seems the Uk had ‘won’ as at the end of the day the PIRA aims of ending British rule / sovereignty failed

@pauliewalnuts5803

Жыл бұрын

Yeah the Protestants got the better deal

@ck1643

Жыл бұрын

No body 'won'....the Brits didn't defeat the IRA and equally the IRA didn't achieve a united Ireland. The IRA will argue that they bombed the British government to the negotiating table via Manchester and canary wharf and the security services will say that the IRA was so badly infiltrated by informers that couldn't even operate as they wanted. What the agreement did was give nationalists and unionists legimate aspirations and aims that could be respected and achieved via peaceful means. The constructive ambiguity was essential to the success of the agreement

@briancarton1804

Жыл бұрын

I would call it a draw. What the Provisional IRA did win was the fact that Britain has to leave when a majority vote in favour of a united Ireland. That is about 20 years away now. Another win was the British government brought in fair elections and civil rights which were denied to nationalists under unionist rule. Had the British government acted and done this in the 1950s instead of the 1970s there most likely would have been no Provisional IRA and no 30 years violence.

@Londubh1

Жыл бұрын

The battle is over, but the war is not.

Because they were defeated, simple as that.

Which role does religion play in peoples lives, especially the protestant vs catholic flavor of it? I think it's stupid to tie your identity to this. It makes more sense to acknowledge that for the British Northern Ireland will always be that bastard little part of the other Island. If all the British Isles were let's say Muslim, there would be no fight in Northern Ireland to be British. Even if Great Britain only was Muslim the protestant and catholic Irish would unite, no problem. But I also have a criticism of the Republicans: when you're all for independence, why are you in favor of the European Union? Just because England voted against?

@blueneptune825

10 ай бұрын

There is so much you don't understand. Like, you understand basically nothing of the subject you've had the audacity to comment on. Go figure.