“You cannot decolonize a faith you have not defined.” On point!

Read the Bible and get to know Christ yourself. Let The Holy Spirit lead You to authentic fellowship. Jesus is Real and He Is Returning!

One example of black people trying to disentangle their beliefs is Hebrew Israelites, the conscious community and other. These religions or belief systems are born out of the fact that the blacks that practices are not free from the mental grasp of white supremacy. And it even shows that the practitioner aspire to be like whites or have what whites have. Or they deem important what white supremacy deems important. They seek to become their oppressors and oppress just like them. When this ur aspiration, even subconsciously, u are still controlled by white supremacy. The messiah must free us the pain. He can restore our dignity so we don't aspire to have their power but our own "for God has not given us a spirit of fear but of power love and a sound mind"

@whatshatnin4572

3 жыл бұрын

I think when european literature or literature a nation has received from their oppressor is allowed to define their very concept of god, that nation will always be controlled under white supremacy. If your oppressor has given you the route to heaven, how can you win?

@rr3901

3 жыл бұрын

Very well said. I totally agree with your assessment. That’s been what I’ve observed as well.

@QMicAnticsallday

3 жыл бұрын

@@whatshatnin4572 I see what youre saying. The truth always finds a way to shine through bro. The same way little children through curiosity and mischief find things they arent supposed to is the same way slaves found out their masters were lying about God and the Bible. Many people don't know that a considerable amount of slaves didn't believe the white mans version of the bible. Slaves were given bibles that were missing many books especially the ones about slavery and freedom (Exodus, Judges etc.) but they found them anyway even though it was against the law for them to be even reading! According to certain slave narratives slaves didn't see Jesus as a proxy or enforcer between them and their masters, justifying their "rightful place" as slaves. They saw Jesus as a slave Himself right on the auctioning block with them! Its only so long a lie can stay a lie without being the truth being found out. Especially in the case of a bible written by Hebrews at a time when europe was not even europe yet.

@whatshatnin4572

3 жыл бұрын

@@QMicAnticsallday I believe the truth always finds its way but that dont have much to do with the bible. You dont take a lie and then change the version of it to find truth. You start from the beginning. You do not accept the concept of god that you have been given from your oppressor. You start from the beginning... We are trying to remove white people from a religion created and given to us by white people... You cannot do that. White mans dna is all over christianity. Its almost like trying to remove vodka from the coke. There is no historical truth in adam and eve.. There is no historical truth in noah... There is no historical truth in biblical Abraham.. Moses is still considered a mythological character. We have no literature from moses. To truly decolonize christianity you have to put christianity in the garbage... And how weak do we look, trying to modify something created and introduced to us by our oppressor, instead of creating our own.

@QMicAnticsallday

3 жыл бұрын

@@whatshatnin4572 I'm sorry bro but that's just not true. The bible was originally written in Hebrew thousands of years before there was a concept of Europe or a European. And the new testament was written in Greek. There are no Europeans in the Bible. THEY took the truth of the bible and changed it not me. I'm just saying since we're peeling back lies let's see what's underneath. Down to the original. Now if you don't believe the original we don't have to talk about it any further. Much love to you. But I would like to know what you mean by take it back to the beginning.

Just found your channel today, been watching a few of your videos. This channel is a hidden gem.

we cant only refer to the ethnicity of the Ethiopian and not recognise Philip's identity and how the Gospel was always inclusive and ethnic diversity is foundational to the Church of Jesus; we need to reject the antichrist agenda of separated or segregated churches.

@goyensjonathandjalmoztfr33

2 жыл бұрын

#VinceBantu #JeromeGay

@KiRetteCouture

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

I think Ekemini needs an offering plate she PREACHED ON THIS VIDEO!!! My God!!! Everyone was great thou, thank you Lisa for your obedience and hosting these critical conversations. I was truly blessed by all of the panelist🙏🏾

Focus on the gospel and whether you believe it, who Jesus says he is, and listen for the Holy Spirit to guide you. Read widely and learn from many, but you may have to let go of ANY voice or relationship or community to be faithful to the truth. Yes! Read that Bible! No pastor or theologian can impart to you the whole of the truth therein, if they had a lifetime, in the way you can do simply by reading on your own.

@whatshatnin4572

3 жыл бұрын

But how do we pretend that jesus said anything in the gospels if the gospels were written decades after jesus in a different language than that which jesus spoke... We truly cant say anything that jesus said because jesus has no literature nor is there any literature about jesus written during the time of jesus. Heck the names mat mark luke and john were not given to the gospels until almost 200 years after jesus.... And the gospels were written in greek... The greeks colonized african people.. How do you decolonize christianity when christianity starts with colonization.

@jamesengland7461

3 жыл бұрын

@@whatshatnin4572 you're just throwing up random assertions, hoping they'll stick. None of that is relevant to the truth that we're sinners, Jesus died and rose again to save us from our sin, and we can know him personally.

@whatshatnin4572

3 жыл бұрын

@@jamesengland7461 I dont think what you are saying is factual.. You saying that we were born in sin because of the creation story.... But the creation story is clearly mythology. Much of the book of genesis is mythology. Thats facts bro... And then when you talk about the gospels, you are not getting anything from jesus or from the time that jesus lived.. Jesus was not important enough to write about during his life. Thats the facts. A man waking up from the dead is not factual... You have to have faith to accept that story.. Facts dont need faith... Mythology needs faith... History deals with facts. In your belief system faith has always been praised. One would not need as much faith if one had facts. You dont have facts therefore you need faith. And this jesus story was given to you and me and our ancestors by europeans... How do we decolonize something that was given to us by colonizers. How does that happen

@goyensjonathandjalmoztfr33

2 жыл бұрын

@@whatshatnin4572 Check out #VinceBantu brother he has the answers to your questions here.

@whatshatnin4572

2 жыл бұрын

@@goyensjonathandjalmoztfr33 I have followed Dr Bantu for a while. He doesn't address these type of issues. He makes it easy for the Black Christian in America to feel comfy by getting his god from slave masters. He does this by keeping the majority of his info in Ethiopia.. But the Brothas and Sistas in America did not come from Ethiopia. He talks about early African Church Fathers. But all of those early African Church Fathers have Latin names and spoke Greek and were born, raised and educated in and under Roman/Greek Provinces in Africa. There is no African Christian Institution without the European.

Very good! Thank you all!

Jesus dont look like many people...do you want Him or his Identity?

I'm trying to understand what aspect of theology that needs to be untangled are you all referring to?

Why should we not discuss more the international churches and the global church, instead of black and white churches? Jesus Christ and the Gospel belong to ALL people - regardless of their ethnicity or race!

@gfujigo

2 жыл бұрын

Should we not discuss the issues here that they identify?

Daniel and his friends had fun with their colonized names. The king gave them names after their Babylonian godz and they changed them up. Marduk became Meshak etc.... except Daniel who the king originally name-owned as Belshazar.... the King started calling him his real name Daniel, The king got to respect Daniel as Daniel

Please, for the uninitiated, what are y'all referring to as "White Theology"?? Any contemporary examples? 45:29 "Essential Christian doctrines... are African in nature" =_= 49:21 "Through this Jewish Jesus, everyone is included." AMEN.

Way too much jargon and use of loaded meanings attached to ordinary words, particularly "projects." All that gets in the way of a constructive conversation.

"This is not Burger King". Wow. What a powerful line. Jesus is Lord

The Romans colonized Israel and as an insult called it after the Philistines which we say Palestine, a word the Bible never uses.

When I tell you this came on time !!!!! ... *shouts*

Love this!

Thinking about how panelists from other Jude 3 Project Conversations connect my thinking to this one. Weaving Christ in cultural contexts as a way to connect culture to Identity with Christ and the thought "What is redeemable within a culture and what is unredeemable ?" Is there a real work to do with this about acceptance of a full picture of who God is? So disentangling first as a way to understand who God sees us and then, the question I'm wondering about is how to approach from this identity, "How do I then determine whether apects of culture are redeemable vs. unredeemable if the tool I used to determine this before may have been through a white supremist lens?" What is the new lens and how to use it, when all I've known is one way of looking at it. I can't imagine the new lens into my mind...Does a renewed mind mean I wake up with all right thinking. How does a true renewal of thinking take place?

You should have on Preston Perry with this topic

The problem with such videos is one they don’t define terms like black and two incomplete analysis of pre colonial African societies I.e nigeria

Any thoughts on Vodie Baccam or Allie Beth Stucky?

@teahsboutique2082

3 жыл бұрын

What about them? Are you speaking about their teachings?

@BrownEyedSoulMan

3 жыл бұрын

@@teahsboutique2082 yes, in regards to their teaching - concerning what their idea of vague descriptions on what biblical justice is as opposed to social justice I want to note I have little knowledge on what critical race theory is

I was told by white people from different denominations in the Christian Identity Movement, that Ham was cursed w/ black skin, and Cain was marked w/ black skin. But my theology was decolonized when I studies the scriptures to reveal the truth, that black people descended from Cush (Ethiopa), who was not cursed by Noah like Canaan (Genesis 9; Joshua 9; John 8:32). Amen. Genesis 10:6 The sons of Ham were Cush [Ethiopia], Mizraim [Egypt], Put [Libya], and Canaan [Palestine, Lebanon, parts of western Syria, and parts of western Jordan].

@whatshatnin4572

3 жыл бұрын

So i guess as long as you are not cursed its all good.. So who are the sons of ham today that are cursed by noah. Who are the ones that are cursed today. If you really paid attention to your bible, you will see the Cush was cursed in the bible too.. Most of Africa was cursed in the bible.. Ezekiel 30:5 Ethiopia, and Libya, and Lydia, and all the mingled people, and Chub, and the men of the land that is in league, shall fall with them by the sword 2 Chronicles 16:8 ESV / 48 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful Were not the Ethiopians and the Libyans a huge army with very many chariots and horsemen? Yet because you relied on the Lord, he gave them into your hand. Isaiah 20:2-6 ESV / 40 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful At that time the Lord spoke by Isaiah the son of Amoz, saying, “Go, and loose the sackcloth from your waist and take off your sandals from your feet,” and he did so, walking naked and barefoot. Then the Lord said, “As my servant Isaiah has walked naked and barefoot for three years as a sign and a portent against Egypt and Cush, so shall the king of Assyria lead away the Egyptian captives and the Cushite exiles, both the young and the old, naked and barefoot, with buttocks uncovered, the nakedness of Egypt. Then they shall be dismayed and ashamed because of Cush their hope and of Egypt their boast. And the inhabitants of this coastland will say in that day, ‘Behold, this is what has happened to those in whom we hoped and to whom we fled for help to be delivered from the king of Assyria! And we, how shall we escape?’” How do you decolonize a book that you got from your slave master?

@pierreferguson5257

3 жыл бұрын

@@whatshatnin4572 I believe that black people descend from Ham's son Cush, but Noah cursed Ham's son Canaan. Two different groups of people. Cush is Sub-Saharan African, but Canaan is West Asian. You don't have to believe what is written in the scriptures, but I have chosen to have faith in the scriptures. God bless you.

@whatshatnin4572

3 жыл бұрын

@@pierreferguson5257 Do you believe Zelda and Lord if the Rings too

@pierreferguson5257

3 жыл бұрын

@@whatshatnin4572 Have fun w/ your Mythology.

@whatshatnin4572

3 жыл бұрын

@@pierreferguson5257 you the only one dealing with mythology.

Science teacher us that the Black Africans Were The Original Man not the Bible.

"We are all colonized by sin" 😱 That's good.

What religion is this?

Science Logic Does Not Need Faith To Support It.

@stevilchapman

3 жыл бұрын

Are you sure?....What material became the outer wall of the very first living cell? Belief in the theory of Evolution takes FAITH! That faith is that the god of randomness created every thing...but that is faith nonetheless.

@garymahone1583

3 жыл бұрын

@@stevilchapman The belief is Supernatural is Superstition.. Just because you can’t explain something you filled your lack of knowledge with the explanation that God did it. Science can be tested and results repeated.

@whatshatnin4572

3 жыл бұрын

@@stevilchapman In science there is an option called "I dont know" Science is yet to prove creation but we dam sure know the first woman was not created by a rib of a sleeping man.. That is mythology. The bible is full of mythology... You need faith to accept mythology.. Science requires more than faith with the option to say i dont know

Dear Sister Ekemini, please read the New Testament more carefully. At least some of the Romans mentioned in the Gospel books and the Book of Acts were probably white - although their skin color(s) were not explicitly mentioned. Furthermore - and I say this because I am concerned about your condition before God (not to find fault) - God does NOT define us first and foremost by our skin color, so-called race (ALL races are more or less mixed), ethnicity, native or acquired language, culture, religious background, etc. He looks first and foremost at our HEART. Is it washed by the blood of Jesus Christ or not? Please, pray God to change your mindset and ministry, in order to make you into a minister of the Gospel who increases the fellowship of true Christians - across the ethnic, racial, skin color, linguistic, cultural, church, denominational, organizational, and doctrinal lines. God bless, anoint, empower, guide, provide for, use, and protect you a lot!

@skyefyre5021

Жыл бұрын

The moment she said “there’s no White people in the Bible” I winced at how untrue that statement was. I’m glad to find a comment correcting this with explanation, respect, and love. God bless you!

@ReneeDeane

Күн бұрын

​@@skyefyre5021they are countable on one hand and most were bad.

More liberal politics serenading as "theology"

@ReneeDeane

Күн бұрын

As opposed to the white and conservative theology

How do you allow your slave master to define your concept of god and then try to Decolonize your belief system. Cant happen

Essau/Edom is the white(red) man in the Bible.

@MissMuttonmeat

3 жыл бұрын

The Hebrew Israelites are a cult dude.

@pdispdat5813

3 жыл бұрын

@@MissMuttonmeat That would be Christianity (the churches today)

@kingsmeni.n.c.8479

3 жыл бұрын

@ Carey Palmore, Jacob/Israel is a man of color or a black man/Hebrew?

@pdispdat5813

3 жыл бұрын

@@kingsmeni.n.c.8479 Yes

@MissMuttonmeat

3 жыл бұрын

@@pdispdat5813 you are literally defending a religious belief that supports polygamy, sexist attitudes toward women , spreads misinformation about history and biblical knowledge, and hatred against white and jewish people. That is a cult.