Never thought I'd be Rick Rolled in a Rally Pace Notes Video... well done sir...

@sangerzonnvolt6712

2 жыл бұрын

02:37 i scrolled back immediately because my spidy senses were tingling.

@Mercman1010

2 жыл бұрын

took the words out of my mouth

@simonolsen9995

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that was a dastardly trick.

@ForzaPolska06

2 жыл бұрын

When?

@batchmotorsport

2 жыл бұрын

I seriously had no idea

"Samir, LISTEN TO MY CALLS!"

@sparkshot289

2 жыл бұрын

TRIPLE CAUTION STAY CENTRE!

@AidanMillward

2 жыл бұрын

What if I told you: you can have that guy as a voice pack in Richard Burns rally?

@vaclav_fejt

2 жыл бұрын

How do notes for "YOU'RE BREAKING THE CAR" look like?

"Roses are Red, Violets are Blue, Left-Five over Crest, tightens into Two"

@LuminalSpoon

2 жыл бұрын

Don't Cut

As a Rallye Co-Driver I have to thank you for the shout out to "us". Thank you leg!! (Btw, besides the pacenotes, we will have to take care of the time sheets, read the road book on the road sections and most of the times control the drivers effing egos too)

@TonyMorel

2 жыл бұрын

And wipe their feet on rainy days so their precious pedals stay dry, and think of an excuse why it's our fault we crashed cause they waved at the crowd and to be the one that has to get out and push when he overshot the junction and you've ended up axel deep in cow slurry at Down Ampney AGAIN

@almeidaariel9

2 жыл бұрын

@@TonyMorel dude that was very specific, are you alright?

@fuzzy1dk

2 жыл бұрын

Walter Röhrl on his copilot organizing everything for him: kzread.info/dash/bejne/eX2Ep9KQldHWmM4.html

@fuzzy1dk

2 жыл бұрын

@@TonyMorel kzread.info/dash/bejne/dm1h2NGCfqnRc8o.html

@dylanzrim3635

2 жыл бұрын

You are breaking the car Samir!!!

A good many years back I saw on tv a driver in the RAC rally lose all his lights on a night forest stage , driver and codriver managed to only lose a handful of seconds whilst driving on pace notes only. Blew me away and I've always had the greatest respect for the rally driver/codriver combo.

I always preferred the 6-1 method because I’m familiar with it from Gran Turismo 3 with what gear I should be in.

@AndrewGeierMelons

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, except that Gran Turismo often gets the gear wrong. It's a good system. But, add a half of a gear. Also, 1-7 is just the same with extra detail. 1-9 if you want to avoid + and - as much as possible

@johnelliott7850

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, I'm more familiar with the 6-1 way of doing it.

"Rally co-drivers: They are the drummers of motorsport." Actually, as a musician, I think that is the _perfect_ analogy to describe them.

@EddieOtool

2 жыл бұрын

Then, who'd the bassmen be?

@danbradley7176

2 жыл бұрын

As a drummer, I really like that analogy. Having to continually force a pack of legally drunk guitarists to stay on time while they garnered all the attention was my job. But I loved it

@TheKincognito

2 жыл бұрын

@@EddieOtool Track Marshalls. they're also very important

@EddieOtool

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheKincognito You deserve a star in your notebook, sir. They're truly the unsung heroes, I have been told.

@AidanMillward

2 жыл бұрын

@@danbradley7176 I played better drunk.

2:35 I see what you did there

Burnsie & Robert Reid actually had one of the most complex pace note systems back in the day. The amount of detail he could digest whilst driving is mind-blowing. I have been in the same boat as you for a long time, ever since Richard and Colin weren't in the sport it has failed to grab my attention anywhere near as much and especially once Gronholm was gone, there was no one to challenge Loeb properly for years.

@AidanMillward

2 жыл бұрын

Burnsie did McRae’s gravel notes for him if I remember rightly.

@brianyau9812

2 жыл бұрын

Burns and Reid actually have a simpler pace note than current drivers. For complexity wise, Kris Meeke and Paul Nagle's pace note is by far the most complex

@Cibatio

2 жыл бұрын

@@AidanMillward Yea in the early to mid 90s when Burns was still young and they were both at Subaru, he went along with McRae to experience it all. It's crazy how the media portrayed them as like arch nemesis in 2001 when it was the complete opposite in reality.

Growing up in Indianapolis in the 60's I watched the change from Front to Rear engine. Jackie Stewart, Mansel, Emerson, and Mario have explained set up on an oval, most of which broadcast during the 500. I learned something from this show! Doing a great job Aidan!

I learnt them from playing rally games

there was a wonderful song in Russian jazz/Blues-&-Roll where the chorus & about a fifth more was done in rally-notes short-hand... it was about a guy, who was a privateer in an old Moskvitch-310, and never could keep pace with the "Lords in the Subaru" which annoyed him, but he was still happy because spring, winter summer or autumn, he was racing, and the guy back at the garage was a great friend to have.

Love your videos Aidan, keep up for good work

Bit ironic this video came up as I was watching videos of close calls in rallying lol

@AidanMillward

2 жыл бұрын

The algorithm works.

@majorkilljoy

2 жыл бұрын

@@AidanMillward certainly does lol and another great video 🙂 always get excited when I see you've made another. Keep up the good work 👍

Now, where is my PS1 again? Got to play some Rally Championship.

6:13 im getting viperconcept vibes rn. Extra extra long. 😏

I just want to say that you have been fantastic lately. The diversity of your videos and the interesting content has been mega!

Ive still got the pace notes from when i drove my brothers wrx on the Highlands rally. I actually keep it near and dear to me cuz my brother was my codriver, not only was it his car but he was right there with me reading off the notes doing the maths along the route. All while he was baked out of his mind.

An education. Thanks Aidan. Edit: 2:34 I've just been rickrolled!

awesome video

This was very,very interesting. I had always just assumed they had a printed track map with notes for the key features. Illuminating video, well done sir.

taught me lots! thanks

For WRC they are given pace notes by the Rally organisers and then they use these to adapt during the recce. they also film this and carry on working on the notes after they have left the car and the stage. Haden's system is widely used to help assess the corners during the recce.

You've got me hooked by showing the Ford right off the bat

know what, that "drummers of motorsport" is a perfect analogy. they literally lay the foundation and beat of a given stage. i guess the driver would be a vocalist that is also playing lead guitar, they take in the information and cues from the drummer to know when the next tempo change is, if youre about to come to the bridge of the song that is immediately followed by a repeat of verse one, then hit the break down into chorus 3........i NEVER put that together on my own, and it took you saying it for it to get me to actually realize that lmao

Thank you Aidan this has been something I’ve been meaning to look into but never have

2:34 - I literally flipped off my laptop, said "Fuck you!"... and immediately liked the video. Well. Freaking. Played.

In France and other francophone countries we use corner degree instead of the numbers, which I feel is a much more accurate system because it is an objective method to determine corner severity

NEVER GONNA GIVE YOU UP Brilliant!!

Another great video Aidan. I used to play rally games & I can remember that one of them used the 1 = tight & 6 = fast system while another was the reverse .... talk about confusing & worse still I have a feeling they were the same series (possibly WRC & WRC2 on PS2).

I'd say a better analogy is that co-drivers are the bassists of motorsport. On the surface an insignificant instrument, but once the band is without it they sound terrible. Love the video

That was the nicest thing, I've ever heard some one saying about drummers. :D

@2:34 You have been Rick Rolled!

Glad you mentioned the different scales employees by different countries. I had a rude awakening when I purchased a licenced WRX game and it used the opposite numbering to the codemasters developed games. BANG straight into a tree first corner!

Hello Aidan: Sebastien Loeb was reputed to remember every course he had driven. I think the co-drivers are absolutely amazing.

I do miss being in the hot seat of the Lada. In that old girl everything was flat as we never got it fast enough to warrant worrying about corners or braking.

Never change Aidan, Never change! 2:42

I always thought of the Co-Driver as the Conductor, and the Driver the musician, while the cat was obviously the instrument.

2:35 fair play Mr Millward... fair play

There's a good discussion in Hayden Paddons book about pace notes; his codriver John Kennard mentions modern WRC cars going so damn fast that the codriver isn't actually processing what he is saying; he is just conditioned to say what he reads without even thinking about it.

smoothest rick roll of my life

Interesting fact of the best co-drivers: they use the pitch of their voice to indicate things such as severity of the cornet, danger or to encourage. Jonne Halttunen, Kalle Rovanperä's co-driver is a good example of this. Other drivers, namely Toni Gardemeister, will use encouragements to go over blind crests etc. Things like "don't lift" or "believe" freely translated are examples of this. Co-drivers also mark changes to pacenotes during the stages for a possible rerun or reuse next year.

@AidanMillward

2 жыл бұрын

It does that in DR 2.0 I think.

Back in the 80’s group b days and before the Lomabard RAC rally was known as blind rally with no recce or pacenotes,the co driver had a map and illuminated magnifying glass and road book describing the route, the route not being made public until just before the rally

You drop a Rickroll in there..

I recall that old episode of Top Gear, when James May tried to read out the pace notes for Kris Meeke. James was all over the place and rather flustered. Certainly not just “sit there and read”, requires teamwork and confidence in each other of the highest order.

@villehursti

2 жыл бұрын

And the forward distance of reading differs a lot between drivers. Kalle Rovanperä likes to use really long advance.

2:35 Magnificent!

Im always interested in the rally co drivers when they reading up the pacenotes. I mean just hearing them in a game is mad. Compared to a flightsim where the ATC is telling you where or how to taxi to or from a runway, I always end up asking myself "How do the real people get all that in one go?"

@AidanMillward

2 жыл бұрын

They just know. It’s all a standardised code. Pilots read back exactly what the ATC has told them as a way of saying they understood. They don’t just say “Roger”. “KLM flight 67, turn right head 0-4-4, climb and descend flight level 100, slow to 200kts” “Turn right heading 0-4-4, descend and maintain flight level 100, slow to 200kts- KLM 67”

And they read the notes with their seat as low as possible so they barely see over the dash. The lower seat is to lower the center of balance as much as possible. Reading notes in a car that is bouncing all over the place. You have to know exactly where you are so your notes are accurate and timely. Some drivers will even call out updates to the notes that the co-driver will have to annotate while still calling out the next turn, at full race speed. I’ve seen Sebastian Lobe do this a couple of times. This way the next year when they come back to that course the notes are close to what they need. Side note. The Toyota Prerunner is named for a truck that pre runs a rally stage to get the notes needed for a rally driver, hence Prerunner.

What's amazing to me about pace notes is just how far ahead they are read.

I have always heard the lower numbers being sharp corners. I always assumed it was the recommended gear or something. Then again, I’ve never seen or heard real pace notices, just the rally stages from the old V8 Supercars game and Colin McRae 04.

Oh boy, translating notations Bit too used to that in some way, since I love fighting games so much

I remember hearing a lot of that in Colin McRae Rally 2.

2:33 Rickrolled in the phonetic alphabet. This is a first!

You need to do something on british truck racing!

Stenographer goes on a _quick_ vacation.

4:53 Another system I've seen is the one Elfyn Evans currently uses in WRC where 1 is fastest and 9 is slowest - which is interesting. Before that I only ever knew 1 to 6, with 6 being the fastest

TRIPLE CAUTION!

Have we just been Rick Rolled?

hahah nice rickroll you threw in there man xd

No coincidence that some of the best motorsport team managers started off in the co-drivers seat ...

"Don't cut" Yeah rig- BOOM.

Aaannnd I got Rick rolled... Nicely done 👏

I just knew that we were the same age. Okay watchout, over the crest, 50, over the crest (jump maybe) into 3 left tighten into 1 minus, rock outside.

Who is Samir, I have been living under a rock😁

@AidanMillward

2 жыл бұрын

Just search Samir You Are Breaking the Car

@matthartley7333

2 жыл бұрын

@@AidanMillward cheers buddy

@matthartley7333

2 жыл бұрын

@@AidanMillward hahaha he is shit, brilliant 😂

I prefer my corners to be labeled by the recommended gear as an indicator of severity. Probably spent too much time in GT2/3/4/5 lol

In US rallies the pace notes are computer generated and each team is handed an official book for the event.

If rallying can have one rally a year here co drivers do the driving and the drivers do the navigation?

In all honesty i never really got the hang Of the pace notes. I know most notes but while Racing in for example dirt rally 2.0 i can never keep up with the Pacenotes. Either im too slow and i get the notes from 2-3 corners ahead or im getting confused with the old corners

Most pace notes are fine, all up until you see the Finland pace notes…😳

I used to think the number is what gear you need to maximize the corner.

Did I just got Rick Rolled?

Aidan, jct for junction, jmp for jump

It's also not uncommon to do recce in a rental car (at national level) in New Zealand, as competitors might travel quite a long way and can't justify bringing an extra car just for recce. They get a rental for driving round and do recce in it too

Flight Level 300 is not always the same as 30000ft. Only in standard atmospheric conditions.

Looks like we've got ourselves some old-fashioned *S E G A R A L L Y C H A M P I O N S H I P*

@AidanMillward

2 жыл бұрын

I love that meme.

Do air traffic control use those codes if the suspect has scrambled i guess you kinda did answer this

"You were red or you were blue" not sure if rally fan, young person in south central Los Angeles or Rooster Teeth fan

@AidanMillward

2 жыл бұрын

Or a football fan living in Liverpool.

the only thing i can think of thats more scary than driving a rally race is being the co driver

Team no hud here

This is the one channel that gives you the info you always wanted, without stupid memes. KZread needs more Aidens, less Donut Media, less WTF 1, etc

2:34 this is really why I learned the NATO phonetic alphabet.

I’d have gone bassist instead of drummer … but then there’s Primus, Rush, Bela Fleck and the Flecktones …

@AidanMillward

2 жыл бұрын

Laughs in Steve Jordan and John Moffat.

2:39 *fistshake*

Kinda unrelated question are there any us rallys?

@whomyguy1

2 жыл бұрын

Only ones I can think of that would even be close to rallying in the U.S. would be the Pikes Peak hill climb in Colorado. But as far as I'm aware there aren't and haven't been any WRC events in the U.S. for as long as I can think of. But I could be totally wrong and just not be aware of them. There is of courts Rally-Cross in the U.S. but it's not even close to the same thing, other than perhaps the cars the drive.

@fnafboy-fnafgirlssistercar685

2 жыл бұрын

@@whomyguy1 pikes peak counts also thats in Colorado the nurburing of us in Colorado wow

What happens when a co-driver loses their spot on the notes, how do they get back on track

@AidanMillward

2 жыл бұрын

The driver guesses, I think.

@SaraSpruce

2 жыл бұрын

I watched an interview with a retired WRC co-driver recently where he said that just briefly looking up at the road would let him find the right spot, but that often he would just feel how the road is going with his arse to find the right spot in the notes.

The RBR's default "easy left, fast right" system is my favor, and most easily disgust one for me, even as my mother tone is not English. "5 left, 4 right" is accept for me, but if it's "left 5, right 4", my brain just won't able to handle it on fly and I'll crash badly.

did... did we get Rickrolled?

DC clearly stands for when David Coulthard stands on the Stage smh

2:39 .......dammit....tricked again. PS co-drivers are like drummers in a band. They decide the beat (notes) the rest will have to follow otherwise it will end up in a mess

ffs that never gonna give you up lol

Never gonna give you up?

I was a Burns fan, too. Admired Colin McRae's sheer guts, and Petter Solberg's sheer ability, but Burns was special. Lost interest around the time Seb Loeb began running the table, and Seb Ogier didn't make me want to watch, either

@reptongeek

2 жыл бұрын

Me too. I got really cross with Elfyn Evans last year when he crashed handing the title to Ogier

I see halo did it's job then.

Rickroll

Let's be honest Sega Rally always had the best pace notes 👌

"Co-drivers are the drummers of motor sport" I better fucking hope not, only reaching peak performance while insanely drunk is not a good trait for a rally (co) driver

(09:10) “[Co-drivers] are the drummers of motorsport.“ At least drummers perform at stage level, or sometimes on a stage riser; on the other hand, co-drivers are intentionally humiliated by necessarily being seated on low seats that barely give them a view out the car. _Shameful._