How Champions League teams figured Arsenal & Manchester City out

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Welcome to The Athletic FC's KZread channel, where best-in-class journalism meets video.
Arsenal and Manchester City enter the second leg of the quarterfinals of the 2023-24 Champions League with all to play for.
Mikel Arteta's side drew 2-2 against Bayern Munich at home, while Pep Guardiola's men drew 3-3 in spectacular fashion against a surging Real Madrid.
What tactical lessons can we learn from the first leg games and how will the managers change their plans going into the second leg?
Joe Devine, JJ Bull and Jon Mackenzie dig deep into the tactics and try to predict who will be crowned the Kings of Europe.
This is The Athletic's Week in Football.
#arsenal #championsleague #premierleague
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Chapters:
00:00 Intro
00:55 Arsenal 2 - 2 Bayern
01:16 How Bayern changed their gameplan against Arsenal
06:54 Arsenal's Build-up Woes
08:43 Who will win the second leg?
10:46 Real Madrid 3 - 3 Man City
11:26 Real v City Tactical Comparison
14:52 Applied Tactics
16:29 Which team's tactics gave them the upper hand?
19:18 PSG 2 - 3 Barcelona
19:38 Pau Cubarsi has the Wau Factor
21:22 How do you stop Kylian Mbappe?
25:12 Barcelona's New Blood
28:13 Atletico 2 - 1 Dortmund
29:19 Who will win the Champions League?
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  • @hamidalbertoabudrussell9703
    @hamidalbertoabudrussell9703Ай бұрын

    I missed this trio so much. Their tactical analysis is second to none in today’s pundit landscape, and they do so while being funny.

  • @gentleken7864

    @gentleken7864

    Ай бұрын

    It's clear that The Athletic thought they were too silly and wanted only boring analysis. It's clear having someone like Adam Levanthal chairing the videos what they're after.

  • @viktoredv

    @viktoredv

    Ай бұрын

    Just need it as a podcast...

  • @isahamilton01
    @isahamilton01Ай бұрын

    The Jon Joe JJ trio is too powerful. Nothing else on youtube can match their abilities of football analysis. I’ve really been enjoying the new graphics, they’re all perfectly used and aren’t intrusive whatsoever. Kudos 👏

  • @chinortega3

    @chinortega3

    Ай бұрын

    The jjj

  • @manniking233
    @manniking233Ай бұрын

    UCL gives us these guys for two consecutive weeks. Let's not take that privilege for granted. I miss these guys together but I'll take what I can get...

  • @tianruixiao9239
    @tianruixiao9239Ай бұрын

    17:20 a rare laugh from Director Joe. I know we all love the tactical analysis but its the ridiculous questions that makes me love you guys.

  • @SWJ808
    @SWJ808Ай бұрын

    17:17 god I love Devine

  • @Audiostyleable
    @AudiostyleableАй бұрын

    As the everyman I would like to highlight that the videos from the athletic are 10x better with Joe devine

  • @leothecat9609
    @leothecat9609Ай бұрын

    MORE OF THIS

  • @snake0sena
    @snake0senaАй бұрын

    “I wasn’t in France” “no but the players were” 😂😂

  • @clivepalmer3545
    @clivepalmer3545Ай бұрын

    Quality Arsenal assessment. I would mid block Bayern next time and jump on occasion Give them no transition - their keeper is too good in buildup

  • @YomsterFUT13

    @YomsterFUT13

    Ай бұрын

    EXACTLY i think we olay how we did vs City but more attacking and in a more expressive nature plus we'll have martinelli as an outlet. Bayern were great but feel we played into their hands so this time being away the onus will be on them. Plus this season i feel were a better team when we need to play for a draw and lock in defensively with saliba, gabriel and rice @6 (which is where he should be 2nd leg) and then keep a clean sheet first and then go try score. Arteta taking a leaf from his FA Cup Winning defensive run days and also a tad bit Simeone inspired. Tuchel got arteta first leg imo but 2nd i feeel like Mikel finally gets his statement win on the european stage. AC Milan '08 Stuff 🤞🏾🤞🏾

  • @Kaysfrancis
    @KaysfrancisАй бұрын

    You guys are incredible. I can listen to you all day

  • @Vociferous
    @VociferousАй бұрын

    “How will managers change their plans going into the second leg” A plan that wasn’t was the fact that there wasn’t much defending happening for any tie, you cannot sit deep and invite oppositional pressure in the away leg, whilst not comfortably being in a position.

  • @jg7088
    @jg7088Ай бұрын

    It tells us that one manager is bald

  • @drex5160

    @drex5160

    Ай бұрын

    But which one tho? 🤔

  • @winter_silhouette

    @winter_silhouette

    Ай бұрын

    Pep is just taller than his hair.

  • @ChadYu

    @ChadYu

    Ай бұрын

    Perhaps we can infer that bald men are cute? 🤔

  • @robinthebobin6537

    @robinthebobin6537

    Ай бұрын

    Pep's bald cap just hasn't broken yet. One day there'll be a strong gust of wind and it'll be revealed that he actually has long ginger hair (probably)

  • @mikaelvaldezco3983
    @mikaelvaldezco3983Ай бұрын

    just glad that Joe is back

  • @emmanuelonyono4517
    @emmanuelonyono4517Ай бұрын

    Great analysis bros for giving us deep understanding of the games.

  • @debagniksen7809
    @debagniksen7809Ай бұрын

    Joe's voice is music in the ears

  • @barca-vibe
    @barca-vibeАй бұрын

    This tifo irl crew needs to do more barca content… only sensible analyst in the athletic

  • @aka_jr
    @aka_jrАй бұрын

    For the culture, I need an Arsenal - Barcelona UCL final

  • @Montyweb

    @Montyweb

    Ай бұрын

    That would be epic

  • @doodah111

    @doodah111

    Ай бұрын

    To avenge the injustice of 2006

  • @theo-go3br

    @theo-go3br

    Ай бұрын

    How poetic would it be to beat Porto (a good historical matchup for Arsenal), Bayern (a terrible historical matchup for Arsenal), Real (the literal greatest UCL club OAT), or City (their modern archnemesis and title holders), and finally Barcelona (for obvious reasons).

  • @jakubcygan8265

    @jakubcygan8265

    29 күн бұрын

    I'd bet my house on Arsenal in that game, but I won't bet it on them getting to the final

  • @marsx5886

    @marsx5886

    29 күн бұрын

    Welp

  • @Sincerely.Eben.
    @Sincerely.Eben.Ай бұрын

    These guys are just the best at talking about Football ⚽

  • @tomdadude444
    @tomdadude444Ай бұрын

    This lot would make an engaging podcast

  • @zachmartin5647
    @zachmartin5647Ай бұрын

    Awesome editing. It made it super engaging

  • @deenofm3620
    @deenofm3620Ай бұрын

    This content is absolutely brilliant guys! Please keep this up and make it as often as physically possible… Seriously I cannot get enough of your guys analysis. So thorough, so well done, please like this video and share it so that it is financially feasible for these guys to pump this content out!

  • @jarretc110
    @jarretc110Ай бұрын

    i'm so glad the athletic are here to tell me what to think.

  • @exgonzo64
    @exgonzo64Ай бұрын

    loving this new format

  • @athreyathandeswaran7510
    @athreyathandeswaran7510Ай бұрын

    Pedri, Gavi, Cubarsi, Yamal, Balde, Fort, Faye, Guille, Roque

  • @anshumansahu1087

    @anshumansahu1087

    Ай бұрын

    Foden, Rico Lewis, Claudio Echeverri, Oscar Bobb, Gvardiol, Doku, McAtee, Savinho, Yan Couto, Julian Alvarez, Haaland. With one of Wirtz/Musiala possibly inbound, the future is indeed very interesting.

  • @athreyathandeswaran7510

    @athreyathandeswaran7510

    Ай бұрын

    ​​@@anshumansahu1087Finley Gorman as well. Olise can join City. You also have Perrone. Neves can join City.

  • @anshumansahu1087

    @anshumansahu1087

    Ай бұрын

    @@athreyathandeswaran7510 Yes. Man City are seriously scouting Ruben Neves. Finley Gorman is a gem City brought from leeds recently.

  • @bread3017

    @bread3017

    29 күн бұрын

    @@anshumansahu1087 Very unlikely Wirtz or Musiala will join

  • @ChimwaniJohn

    @ChimwaniJohn

    29 күн бұрын

    Who are these guys

  • @cameronjones8641
    @cameronjones8641Ай бұрын

    You guys are the best 👌🏼

  • @flickchic238
    @flickchic238Ай бұрын

    These analyses are so great. I've learned so much about each team's tactics that can go unnoticed when watching their games in real-time. To be honest, I don't think Real Madrid's tactics are strong enough to defeat Man City. Madrid can score goals but when it comes to structure, I think City would have the advantage.

  • @fis9836
    @fis9836Ай бұрын

    ❤❤❤ great vid ;D

  • @thomasdavies2555
    @thomasdavies2555Ай бұрын

    Love hearing yall talk…hi from Santa Barbara

  • @malevellysian
    @malevellysianАй бұрын

    jj's promo at the end instead of joe sounds like a drunk homeless person snuck himself into the studio:/

  • @dshannon565
    @dshannon56525 күн бұрын

    Bayern sitting back against arsenal is more reflective of bayerns form this season. If Bayern were running away with the league and were consistent I think they would’ve imposed their game on arsenal. Bayerns team is better than arsenal man for man in my opinion so they should look to impose themselves on arsenal. Arsenal are a very beatable side. On Barca I’d love to see a video on gavi on why he so good. I personally don’t rate him that highly. He doesn’t score, assists, play key passes, dictate the game or dribble so he’s not effective going forward even though he plays high up the pitch. Yes he presses well but once he gets the ball he needs to be effective.

  • @dannysnooze
    @dannysnooze19 күн бұрын

    can someone tell me what pad they are using and what app they are using to run the tactics board and analytics on games?

  • @lyndonroper6013
    @lyndonroper6013Ай бұрын

    Jon's Central Cordoba sweat is rad

  • @pozsoz
    @pozsoz29 күн бұрын

    The quadruple J combo strikes again. I love you guys. Thanks

  • @Untold-Football
    @Untold-FootballАй бұрын

    John didn’t want that Arsenal fan angst 😂, finally you guys trusting the process 👌🏾

  • @buzzjens1
    @buzzjens1Ай бұрын

    These three men are the best football analysts itw

  • @jbri1
    @jbri1Ай бұрын

  • @StephenIbegbu-qj7gh
    @StephenIbegbu-qj7ghАй бұрын

    But Enrique didn’t even help Mbappe He put him out wide when he’s meant to be in the Mbappe zone with Nuno Mendes out wide This is the same problem Arsenal are having with Martinelli These run in behind goal getters like Rashford, Mbappe, Son and Martinelli have no reason to be held out wide They’ll be limited in the game

  • @siddharthsehgal620
    @siddharthsehgal620Ай бұрын

    such a great video

  • @josephashipala6249
    @josephashipala6249Ай бұрын

    I think Man city did well against Madrid cause u can see at the end of the game that Madrid where scard

  • @Pipemurillo12
    @Pipemurillo12Ай бұрын

    More Tifo hosts in the podcast please, love these guys beyond belief. I always thought the Athletic has sub-utilized their charisma into their business strategy

  • @AmarRanaDeshmukh
    @AmarRanaDeshmukh29 күн бұрын

    More of these please

  • @kevinonyedikachukwu564
    @kevinonyedikachukwu564Ай бұрын

    Great analysis

  • @michaelfincham7306
    @michaelfincham7306Ай бұрын

    I believe they call it 'probing'.

  • @sami3648
    @sami364827 күн бұрын

    This is the football podcast dream team

  • @andytupman9874
    @andytupman9874Ай бұрын

    love John's final point of that arsenal would lose to city in the next round even though they have played each other 3 times this year with arsenal winning 2 of them and the other being a 0-0 draw

  • @andrewquick1609
    @andrewquick160928 күн бұрын

    Bloody fantastic you trio of jackanapes

  • @willyum3920
    @willyum392029 күн бұрын

    I really get the feeling JJ is in mourning for what he's lost from the old days. I absolutely love him but I want them back and let off the leash to sing songs about a frog who could kill a man and redesign the super league. .... ok I might be projecting but that is what I see in JJ. Love you man 👍

  • @arfung9871
    @arfung9871Ай бұрын

    Best trio

  • @sjeskey8361
    @sjeskey836129 күн бұрын

    Man i wonder if these 3 would work well in some sort of podcast format???

  • @wdred
    @wdredАй бұрын

    So JJ is kinda saying that Real, particularly on the left side were using relationism?

  • @jamesleiper6399
    @jamesleiper6399Ай бұрын

    Whilst both games were on I and probably John were watching Leeds draw nil nil

  • @theach84
    @theach84Ай бұрын

    8:45 Too many Arsenal fans exaggerate the defensive “problem” of Zinchenko while completely dismissing how he makes our whole team better. He literally does not give away that many goals. He makes the first second phase of our buildup much better. Arteta knows better and keeps trusting him.

  • @robinthebobin6537

    @robinthebobin6537

    Ай бұрын

    Agreed, after seeing how Arteta's revitalised our club over the last few years, I'm inclined to believe he probably knows what he's doing.

  • @MrYisus217

    @MrYisus217

    Ай бұрын

    he forgot that he was defending against aston villa, bailey's goal

  • @MrOMGWTFROFL1
    @MrOMGWTFROFL1Ай бұрын

    Oh baby, TIFO is back

  • @pranaychaturvedi7311
    @pranaychaturvedi731127 күн бұрын

    Jon, JJ, Joe partnership is like prime Rooney, Tevez, Ronaldo

  • @DanielS10291
    @DanielS10291Ай бұрын

    Omg is this the podcast back?

  • @MrElias2002
    @MrElias200227 күн бұрын

    These guys are much better than the so called pundits on Sky, ESPN and CNBC.

  • @himdamnself
    @himdamnselfАй бұрын

    Latest homegrown players. And someone had to mention Harry Kane.

  • @alfflasymphonyx
    @alfflasymphonyxАй бұрын

    In regards to MBAPPE, the M is silent so pronounce it BAPPE. 😇

  • @gabrielguerrero3404
    @gabrielguerrero340426 күн бұрын

    Try telling pep that. He’s the most stubborn manager in the world. After watching man city this whole season I can say that if a 500 minute match existed with unlimited substitutions and man city conceded in the 1st min without being able to score until the 499th minute pep wouldn’t change a thing over that much time(talking about style of play not substitutions )

  • @grid462
    @grid46227 күн бұрын

    I think I recall John Stones basically being hailed as the MVP for City last season. How devastating have his absences been this season? Or has he no longer been as critical to the team?

  • @chrishoward8500
    @chrishoward8500Ай бұрын

    Drawing in Madrid is being figured out? Guess City were figured out last year too

  • @sewaeric
    @sewaericАй бұрын

    But u stopped making game tactical analysis on tifo

  • @allantoxic-101k
    @allantoxic-101kАй бұрын

    The only problem about Arsenal vs Bayern previous game ,is that Arteta forgot that Bayern winger can run faster than kiwior..Arsenal can win in Munich 2-1

  • @Dmaj089

    @Dmaj089

    27 күн бұрын

    Can they? 😂

  • @maulanna
    @maulannaАй бұрын

    JONNN MCKENZIE!!!!

  • @DavidLimofLimReport
    @DavidLimofLimReportАй бұрын

    What's with these Sat morning releases?

  • @imacat123

    @imacat123

    Ай бұрын

    Friday evening pst

  • @DK-nc9wr

    @DK-nc9wr

    Ай бұрын

    @@imacat123 I'm gonna go out on a limb here and assume the crew is based in the UK. Hence OP's question.

  • @koutanot
    @koutanotАй бұрын

    Bayern can barely cope with arsenal in second half. Not sure what u mean

  • @garyanderton

    @garyanderton

    17 күн бұрын

    Sup ma guy

  • @beerd__af
    @beerd__afАй бұрын

    The removal of the away goals rule makes both of the first leg games almost pointless. means the 2nd leg starts at 0-0

  • @vishalchatterjee7510
    @vishalchatterjee751024 күн бұрын

    Funny how both John and JJ took arsenal qualifying for granted.

  • @snoopos
    @snooposАй бұрын

    Do they do this analysis on other teams? Proper giving other teams' analysts on how to beat Arsenal 😅

  • @danielseddon5213
    @danielseddon5213Ай бұрын

    I'm all for infographics, but this is too busy on-screen to watch and enjoy. For me at least. Felt like watching guardiola's recent press conferences with the moving billboards behind him.

  • @danielseddon5213

    @danielseddon5213

    Ай бұрын

    P.s. loved the analysis though

  • @xykostorm

    @xykostorm

    Ай бұрын

    Agreed. Over edited - still good- but too much

  • @donukb

    @donukb

    Ай бұрын

    Yeah, that's fair. This will be improved on for next week. Thanks for your input and thanks for watching!

  • @liamness

    @liamness

    Ай бұрын

    But without these graphics, how will people who don't know what the word "deferential" means follow along with the discussion?

  • @Cbb3225

    @Cbb3225

    Ай бұрын

    As a casual fan, I appreciated the insight into tactics I hear often but don’t really know like pressing styles

  • @benharmon7369
    @benharmon7369Ай бұрын

    PEDRI! PEDRI! PEDRI! PEDRI!

  • @jbri1
    @jbri1Ай бұрын

    Is that Doe Jevine?

  • @abukhalidali1823
    @abukhalidali1823Ай бұрын

    Let's see

  • @arunnm24
    @arunnm24Ай бұрын

    Joe fighting the good fight to keep the goofiness alive

  • @shottskies
    @shottskies29 күн бұрын

    It will be a miracle if Madrid beat city in a few hours I feel… hurts me to say though

  • @chrisgarty
    @chrisgarty29 күн бұрын

    @13:55 Joe really trying to derail JJ with all the comments about probing and penetration 😆

  • @medelalmi
    @medelalmiАй бұрын

    19:00 so i'm an analyst then ? thanks

  • @IggyGoesPop666
    @IggyGoesPop666Ай бұрын

    The Athletic guys ... can you do a show about the Mickey Mouse David Moyes defeatist so called tactics???

  • @theromalepe8600
    @theromalepe860027 күн бұрын

    The Man City prediction has aged poorly already 😂

  • @shadowside8433
    @shadowside8433Ай бұрын

    The chess game continues...

  • @samwalker8821
    @samwalker8821Ай бұрын

  • @weeds56
    @weeds56Ай бұрын

    Brill

  • @lowersaxon
    @lowersaxonАй бұрын

    Kluba Inglada a desappontionada alla matckas futballa Europea! Arsenala 2:2 a nixa sufficantionada. Chancka minimalia a stadione Allianza inda Municha. Leverpola a una katastropa extravaganza alla historia kluba. Nixa chancka alla secondo lego! Sola Manchesteria City a una gutska chancka forn secondo lego recka semifinalia! Takse mycke. Thank you much. Vielen Dank.

  • @FlashMeterRed
    @FlashMeterRedАй бұрын

    No. Champions league teams have Champions league-level attacks

  • @bhvithai5327
    @bhvithai5327Ай бұрын

    I can only imagine that if Grealish were a UAP, he would both probe and penetrate.

  • @1972adamw
    @1972adamw27 күн бұрын

    How delicious would it be...if PSG and Real Madrid meet in the Finals?

  • @kingkenzokwansa
    @kingkenzokwansaАй бұрын

    6:40 if you're going to name drop the culprits for the goal why not mention your countryman Rice as well? He has been awful since coming back from the international break with England

  • @dookula
    @dookulaАй бұрын

    Martin Erdagore

  • @jbri1
    @jbri1Ай бұрын

    Unbelievable, Joe and Jon using long words like deferential

  • @ChriSX13
    @ChriSX13Ай бұрын

    i was today years old when i learned that you cannot be offside in your own half

  • @lukew6725

    @lukew6725

    Ай бұрын

    Just wait until you find out that you can't score an own goal from a free kick. 😆

  • @gravy3858
    @gravy3858Ай бұрын

    For a random American: do you think JJ Bull would be hard to understand? His accent doesn’t seem TOO strong to me.

  • @callmedo

    @callmedo

    Ай бұрын

    No, he is not hard to understand. But I can understand Carragher with no problem also so maybe it's just me haha

  • @R.Mousasi

    @R.Mousasi

    Ай бұрын

    Im not a native speaker and can follow him easy. So for an American should be easy

  • @athreyathandeswaran7510
    @athreyathandeswaran7510Ай бұрын

    Bayern, City, Atleti and PSG thru imo PSG winning the whole thing. Kane bottling in the final.

  • @liesideways

    @liesideways

    Ай бұрын

    Zero ball knowledge

  • @lukew6725

    @lukew6725

    Ай бұрын

    Lmao, PSG in the ucl is more likely to bottle than Kane. 😂

  • @ibrahimadat
    @ibrahimadat17 күн бұрын

    Gosh I really get frustrated by Jon mckinzies analysis, it’s classic example of arrogance of someone that understands a small aspect of something (tactics) but regularly misses the larger point. He’s so obsessed by in possession control that he thinks for some reason it’s superior, when it’s not. The best champions league teams never play like that, with two notable exceptions, Barcelona with messi and city last year which wasn’t even traditional in possession control. The reason it’s so successful in a league format is because it maintains possession against teams of considerably lower quality, reducing them to a few high quality chances rather than sustained attacks. At the business end of the champions league against the best teams it’s quite clearly suboptimal and actually makes the teams a bit toothless

  • @cescabhi
    @cescabhiАй бұрын

    LOL the disrespect to dortmund, barely spoken about for 2 minutes

  • @Epsilon04

    @Epsilon04

    Ай бұрын

    Never deserve any respect ever again after how they threw the title away last season. Pathetic club.

  • @wycliffenyangate5018
    @wycliffenyangate5018Ай бұрын

    a PROBE and a PENETRATION.

  • @clydejohngeorge4535
    @clydejohngeorge4535Ай бұрын

    Dortmund go brrrr

  • @Ruony24
    @Ruony24Ай бұрын

    What's a Dune Too, guys ?

  • @rolitshindane5742
    @rolitshindane5742Ай бұрын

    Sign of respect but also I think it highlights a problem arsenal have in the LHS of team. Xhaka was not properly replaced and it's affecting martinelli. Rotating LB's hasn't helped either. We're loosided team which means we're easier to stop. Hence the struggles in build up, it's down to the lack of a proper left 8

  • @AbdallahAyman-mz4uf
    @AbdallahAyman-mz4uf28 күн бұрын

    Both Are Out LOL

  • @Al-Brewster
    @Al-Brewster28 күн бұрын

    Spoiler alert for the second leg

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