Matt Slater on the PL payroll. Utterly clueless comments.

@daveoleary6831

3 ай бұрын

The frustrating thing is that I think he does know a lot about the situation but he's consciously choosing to play devil's advocate and taking the Premier League's side. The amount of times in a 40 minute podcast he A) Defended the Premier League and Masters and B) Blamed/derided Everton and Everton fans is astounding

The thing I think that rankles with Evertonians still is that as Matt Slater says - 'we spent too much on players'. But looking at the state of the transfers we brought in - Everton really did not spend much at all compared to a lot of the league. If the amount you're able to spend is directly pegged to the revenue you bring in then you establish a situation where those clubs that have the most revenue start to crystallise their success: They have more revenue, therefore they can buy more/better players, meaning they can succeed more easily, meaning they can increase their revenue etc. etc. Everton broke the rules. But those rules don't seem very just. City were able to do what Everton are now being punished for on a much greater scale and with the benefit of a free stadium. As a counterpoint to myself, I don't think clubs should be able to recklessly spend with abandon: but I don't see how you can operate that model fairly and have a genuinely competitive league. The current top 6 is just the big 6 minus Chelsea *again* at the moment. Villa will hit a brick wall when their spending runs up against the limits and their inability to invest will see them backslide down unfairly - while Chelsea will just spend another 200 mil to have another go. TL;DR: It's all completely broken. Go and watch non-league.

@jayevans819

3 ай бұрын

Couldn't agree more.

@cedricnaana2873

3 ай бұрын

Agreed. FFP makes sense in an environment where all the clubs have similar revenues. It does not, however, make sense in an environment where some clubs have had decades to increase their revenue streams, and other clubs haven't. The PL needs to strike a better balance between allowing investment on a bigger scale if the owners are good for it, and making sure clubs don't go bust. With the right motivation that balance can be achieved. And the league will be far better for it in the long run. People WILL get bored of the top 6 eventually and lose interest if nothing is done to address this issue.

@MrRondonmon

3 ай бұрын

On top of that the P.L. mandated Everton give up a "Russian Sponsor" and then penalized them for breach because the lost money, insane BS. They can't be counting injuries, Everton had a rash of injures, DCL out off and on for 2 years and both Gomez and Gabamin had MAJOR INJURIES that left them worthless. both were out 2 years and 2 1/2 years. Then add in the Rape Charge on the Iceland player Iggy, and Everton have to replace those players or go down. Meanwhile the Champ. League money has created a two tiered league which is BS.

@haimainjauo242

3 ай бұрын

EXCUSE ME, ARE WE ALL JUST GOING TO IGNORE CITY CONTINUING TO DESTROY ENGLISH FOOTBALL BY CHEATING THEIR WAY TO SUCCESS? 115+ TIMES APPARENTLY! WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE? WHERE IS THE URGENCY? THERE SHOULD BE PROTESTS AT "THE ETIHAD"!!! EVERYONE IS JUST SITTING THERE WATCHING ENGLISH FOOTBALL DIE. YOU ARE ALL IGNORING THE FACT ENGLISH FOOTBALL IS DYING BECAUSE OF CORRUPTION AND BECAUSE THE UAE AND SAUDI ARE BUYING EVERYONE OFF LIKE HOOKERS

@OswaldPHaygood

3 ай бұрын

Everton have spent 3rd least of all PL clubs over the last 3 years, since we started cooperating with the PL and letting them approve all our transfers. That is a nonsense argument from uninformed fans. What doomed us was 2 major things that we have absolutely no control over: 1) a global pandemic 2) fascist fuck putin invading Ukraine, and our to-be stadium name sponsor being placed on the sanction list, thus taking away £200,000,000 in revenue.

Matt Slater is a PL stooge. Why have him on???

Matt Slater is completely clueless

Matt slater what an expert! 3rd lowest spenders last 5 years but yeah it's all on players what a tool

@andrewharrison7767

3 ай бұрын

look at salaries - 90% of turnover, add in tax / ni bills, then £60 million net loss on transfers from 19/20-22/23 (23/24 isn't included yet) & there's your explanation

@Jay-tm3mx

3 ай бұрын

Yeah I've looked at it all what's your point.

Ornstein has consistently undermined Evertons cause through this process. His allegiances are barely hidden.

@noname-ju5gn

3 ай бұрын

everton cheated its their fault. stop crying

They forgot to talk about the double jeopardy issue with the second charge. This is very important. They whiffed on it completely.

It's funny how we all pretend that the PL cares about clubs other than the big 6, when ALL the objective evidence quite clearly says the opposite. All they care about is incoming revenue, and the clubs that provide it.

@colmlawlor7

3 ай бұрын

The Premier league is all 20 clubs, why would all 20 clubs only care about the big 6? 🤔

@OswaldPHaygood

3 ай бұрын

@@colmlawlor7 I bet you believe in the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus, too.

@damiansmart3269

3 ай бұрын

The premier league is the clubs, inc Everton

@OswaldPHaygood

3 ай бұрын

@@damiansmart3269 so that was Everton and Forest in front of Parliament calling themselves "small clubs"? Bless your heart.

@MrShahussa

3 ай бұрын

@@OswaldPHaygood he's right, each pl club has one vote. Enough said

Much as Everton have been appallingly run in recent years by Moshiri and Kenwright, which has caused so much damage to the club and pain to its loyal supporters, if this fiasco helps to bring about the downfall of the Premier League then it hasn't been entirely in vain. The Premier League is undoubtedly one of the most corrupt organisations in the history of sport and the sooner it's gone the better.

@noname-ju5gn

3 ай бұрын

everton are corrupt here

i would like to know why the premier league have been leaking information to David Ornstein first?!?!?!?!?

Everton should ban Ornstein from the new stadium

Who informed David Ornstein of the decision before Everton were informed.

@MrPotatoMind

3 ай бұрын

His friends at the League. Client journalist.

@justanorthernsoul9135

3 ай бұрын

The corrupt PL

@haimainjauo242

3 ай бұрын

​@@justanorthernsoul9135BINGO! FINALLY SOMEONE WITH ACTUAL PERSPECTIVE

Matt Slater you are talking nonsense! Richard Masters in his role at the EPL, acting in this case as the prosecution asked the supposedly independent commission to impose a 12 point tariff as by way of punishment, and crucially he did so BEFORE the case was even heard, this is i'm afraid inescapably predjudical. It speaks to the fact that the EPL cannot both promote the brand that is the EPL and act independently as a prosecutor for clubs that appear to breach rules and guidance, due to a clear and obvious conflict of interests. The EPL should continue to represent the brand, and the governance of the game re rule breaches needs to be removed from their purview and handed over to a truly independent authority, that is not only above board, but can also be seen to be above board. An authority that has the trust of the public, fans and clubs, where fans in particular can have the confidence that all clubs will be treated equally and fairly in a timely and transparent manner, something the EPL under Masters has singularly failed in. P.S On a more minor note: the latest panel failed to understand that the precedent set in the Championship of a 6 point deduction, comes within the setting of a season that contains considerably more games, and therefore, a considerably higher possible/achievable points total. So IF the panel were to follow that precedent, they should have used a calculation to, well, to calculate an equivalent sanction, but they didn't, they simply and rather stupidly took those 6 points and moved them across without any regard to the fact that a 6 point deduction in the EPL is a harsher sentence in real terms. PPS All of this also fails miserably in so much as points deductions for financial misdeeds (as opposed to financial penalties or transfer embargo) calls the entire integrity of the league into question with nobody knowing where they stand, and league placing, including relegations possibly not being known until after the season has finished, something that is entirely unacceptable for all clubs involved,.many of whom are entirely innocent and not being investigated, it also leaves open the possibility that football futures could be decided not on the playing field, but in the courts, and pertain to whoever has the better silk. An old saying in law is: justice delayed, is justice denied! The EPL has long argued that Manchester City's case has been delayed and will come to be heard much later on the basis of "complication" - that's NOT how the law works! It isn't how criminal law, contract law, or how the civil law of tort actually works! If you are accused of committing a series of murders, or some complex fraud over a number of years and that comes to light, and does so a few years before I throw a milk bottle through a publican's window: your case is heard first regardless of complexity! The excuse of the EPL speaks to me, far more about power, fear, brand protection and promotion of its core business interests than it says anything about so measly a thing as justice! Let alone any interest in transparency, let alone proportionality, or proprietary! Again, we are dealing with a conflict of interests: The EPL is not fit to govern itself when it comes to any sanction regime, rules therein inclusive of PSR, or any future variant of such.

@_RandomPea

3 ай бұрын

Well said

@U.S.Outpost31

3 ай бұрын

What he said ☝️

@safebans1369

3 ай бұрын

Yawn

@newcmags3253

3 ай бұрын

ROFL

Luton and Everton approach before and during every game has been affected and continues to be so. Sporting integrity of the league is null and void. Totally unfair on Everton and even more so on Luton

I have a fundamental and may be a dumb question. Shouldn't the 105 Million number go up with inflation? De Bruyne cost 60 million in 2015, a player like him will cost 120 million now.

@benedictwallis5820

3 ай бұрын

100% agreed

@robertmclellan3658

3 ай бұрын

Stick to hurling.

@MrRondonmon

3 ай бұрын

@@robertmclellan3658 cheats, NOTHING CLUB

@MrShahussa

3 ай бұрын

@@robertmclellan3658 what's that?

@MrShahussa

3 ай бұрын

@@robertmclellan3658 what's that?

So where does building a fking stadium come into this??? PL just crushing any club who dare to try improve and protect City Lpool Utd Chelsea.

Explain this plus the super 6 break away? Leicester City have agreed to pay the Football League £3.1m to settle the league's long-running claim that the club breached financial fair play rules when they made a £21m loss in their 2013-14 season.21 Feb 2018

@mikesmith1817

3 ай бұрын

The EFL regs were far too weak at that point but they got their house in order hence the appeal board relying on their approach. The super league disgrace was not a PSR issue of course.

I listened to the podcast and came here to reply to a specific point Matt makes at the end, but it seems to have been cut off from the youtube version? He says that there are completely legitimate questions that have been asked by the Premier League to 777 that Everton fans would want them to ask before a takeover is allowed to happen and therefore the fact that it's taken twice as long as they said it would is fine. My question is: If these questions are so legitimate, and even integral, to judging 777's suitability, why is it that they have been asked 22/23 weeks into a 12 week process? Also a note for Matt: You'll be much more palatable if you make a balanced argument, rather than one stacked against a single party 👌

Matt Slater talking out of his rear!

'Sporting advantage'. I assume Matt hasn't seen Everton play football the last few seasons, or noticed them having to sell their best players to help balance the books. If the insinuation is that they caused other teams to get relegated because of this mystical advantage, ask yourself why those relegated teams didn't follow up with their threats of trying to prove Everton directly caused their relegations. They cant. He's talking nonsense. I'm suprised the others on the pod didn't call him out.

Nice and simple - if we don’t build a stadium do we breach - yes/no? If no (the answer is no, btw) why are we being punished for not being given a stadium like Man City or West Ham… or for building a stadium earlier in time (like spurs)?

@DANGDanGall

3 ай бұрын

If we’d taken a loan to fund the stadium that’s also fine.

@robertmclellan3658

3 ай бұрын

City were NOT given a stadium.

@MrRondonmon

3 ай бұрын

@@robertmclellan3658 screw CITY THE FRICKEN ARAB CHEATS

@sufirodger

3 ай бұрын

@@robertmclellan3658 remind me what happened to the Manchester commonwealth games athletics stadium that the public paid for.

@Joe11-fl1hy

3 ай бұрын

@@robertmclellan3658 well they didn’t have to pay to build it did they?

Matt Slater says we ignored the warnings, but he didn't bring up selling Richarlison and Gordon. So I would have like him to say how those did or didn't effect the year in question.

@Ryan-ys2bq

3 ай бұрын

But you signed Onana, McNeil Maupay, Garner, Gueye, and a number of loans, so depending on the wage budget difference (a few frees went too) they may not have made a profit especially when you factor in length of deals (as it is judged that way), remember you didn’t make that much profit on Richy as you spent big on him in the first place so it wasn’t pure profit likely had 1 year of his purchase still deducted from the total around 6-7m.

@jameshughes5722

3 ай бұрын

@@Ryan-ys2bq 45m pure profit on gordon and about 35m from richy. Everton are the 3rd lowest in spending in the last 3 years. This entire situation has been a stich up to avoid regulation.

Forest's argument around Johnson shouldn't stand if there's any consistency. Otherwise Everton could argue that they could have held off the sale of Richarlison to receive more money at a later date

@ancelottiseyebrow5206

3 ай бұрын

It won’t stand, it’s absolute nonsense

@Lioness_UTV

3 ай бұрын

It won't stand, I believe they have already acknowledged this.

@Ryan-ys2bq

3 ай бұрын

Who would believe you’d get more for Richy than you did!

@_RandomPea

3 ай бұрын

Depends on the details, if Spurs had said they would and then it's down to spurs messing about

Why does Ornstein get all the information about this even before Everton do? He's Richard Masters' little lap dog.

@Flash4ML

3 ай бұрын

I like how people doing good journalism and breaking stories are now being criticized because people simply don’t like the message they’re delivering lol

this scenario feels like its almost been constructed so we are all more accepting when the prems favs with 115 charges get reduced to 5 or so, or the punishment is reduced from relegation to 20 points

@robertmclellan3658

3 ай бұрын

20 points? why's that when the champions are clearly totally innocent.

@Ryan-ys2bq

3 ай бұрын

The Premier League has got to prove the charges, theres a reason this is taking so long, they’ve got a hell of a legal battle, if they had the evidence then they’d have got this done.

@JG-us9lu

3 ай бұрын

Could be the 30 lawyers city have working on their defence.​@@Ryan-ys2bq

Man City are then being less than frank then???

I reckon Everton should set up their own independent board, let’s see what the results are. Everton are being done as they cooperated. They shouldn’t have

Everton’s next charge will highlight again the clear failure of the PL to have clear sanctions policy, how to deal with overlapping breaches - the second charge includes 2 years covered by the first, will be a right mess

I am an Everton Fan I love my Team and at least we have 4 points back 💙💙💙💙

Matt may want to check his facts about Everton about player signing being the issue. Based off transfermarkt and using PSR rules on amortized transfers. I had to convert Euro to pound sterling. 19/20 approx + £51,409,824.36 20/21 approx - £35,815,357.20 21/22 appox - £7,032,628.58 22/23 approx £29,119,493.35 23/24 appox £14,109,746.52 That should be about £51,794,413.35, in the black. Rather than prop up EPL talking points can you actually cite evidence about comtinued signings? We know we over spent and paid high wages at one point, but Everton have barely spent in windows. The sporting advantage is implied and not substantiated.

Everton barely missed relegation while the rules were actually being broken. 2 points last yr, and 4 points yr before that. So this system clearly does not work for the purpose. The timing makes it meaningless. What about transfer ban? Fines?

There are two issues which remain now of course. Will Everton get another punishment along with Nottingham Forest? And if so will it be more, less or the same? And if Everton have been deducted 6 points surely MC should get the same treatment per charge if found guilty? If not then every football fan should be protesting with Everton fans leading that protest. What I would say though is Everton must be so relieved this wasn't dished out in the two previous seasons or they'd have gone.

@Ryan-ys2bq

3 ай бұрын

Only if the charges were the same, they are not. That’s like saying someone who committed 3 thefts should get 3x the sentence someone who committed a murder

@_RandomPea

3 ай бұрын

Surely it's worse, they overspent and then did it again despite being warned .... I'm sure they will complain again when as a result they end up with -12 points deduction.

Here's the issue. Football is the beautiful game. We all dream about playing, when we can't we love watching others playing the game. That is what football is. There is a group of people who are slowly taking that away from us. Who wants VAR? Who wants financial machinations that are then punished or not punished depending on how good the accountants are. Who wants blue cards? Who wants expanded international tournaments? Who wants world club cups? Who wants football farms that hoard all the talent? I could go on forever. They are ruining our game. They are STEALING our game. They arent satisfied being the richest people in the world. They also have to take our game and ruin it for us.

Why didn't we go for the flat out refusal of our mitigating circumstances? You are telling me losing multi million pound deals from USM because of a war is everyday business? Escalating costs of stadium materials. We also have 3rd lowest net spend over last 5 years. So what is he talking about? We never spent any money unless we sold. The PL didn't do us any favours at all. We were forced to sell our best players. The new commission talked about Moshiri spending 5-6 years ago. Absolutely ridiculous! Matt talking bollocks!

105 million now is not what it was 10 years ago, should be indexed linked .

At the beginning, Paddy's reaction after Ornstein says Super Silk 😂 Love it. UTFT!

Going forward sould all premier league teams have a equal set amount of money to spend regardless who you are , so if you get promoted you've got a chance and if the big boys want to overspend then there's a point deduction for every set of millions over , or maybe you could bank part of your spend that you dont use for the following season or seasons

Isn’t it ironic that for all the talk that clubs have done this or that to bring the integrity of the Premier League into disrepute, the people who have done more than anyone else to bring it into disrepute are the Premier League themselves? Just a thought 🤔🤔🤔

@_RandomPea

3 ай бұрын

100% but hey they tried really hard with VAR to improve things 😂

@_RandomPea

3 ай бұрын

This is the worst season in the EPL in my view. All this talk about nothing to do with the football itself on the pitch. FFP and VAR both ruining the game let alone the league

Matt makes his point forcefully, however if everton are dealt with in isolation and man City, Chelsea are kicked into the long grass. That is inequitable, oh and just in time for the PL to change the rules next season?!

Watching this just pissed me right off. Boyland not fighting our corner there at all!

Was it written in the rule book that the punishment for breaking ffp would be points deduction? If not then Everton should still appeal the six points deduction, and demand the premier league explains where that idea comes from. You cannot be making up punishment out of thin air, or based off the feelings of fans from rival clubs.. That's not how rules and laws work. You hear people say stuff like "oh well they Everton knew and agreed to the rules".. But the real question should be, did clubs sign up to these rules knowing that points deduction will be the punishment? Coz I seriously doubt that. If there's to be a vote by premier league clubs on the nature of the punishment for breaking ffp, the vast majority will vote against any form of points deduction, and that's a fact.

@Geokinkladze

3 ай бұрын

It is written in the premier league handbook but the possible sanctions apply to all offences, therefore there are a wide range of sanctions which range from "being reprimanded" to "unlimited fines"

There is something off about FFP. It seems to benefit the top 6 clubs and there seems to be a real lack of commonsense For instance Forest FFP issue. There is no argument that they overstepped past the dates but by purposely waiting that relatively short period of time they received a higher price for the player. In brief it feels like Forest are being punished by doing the right thing by the club. And, isn't the point of FFP to encourage clubs to manage their club budgets better.

@jameshughes5722

3 ай бұрын

how they kept a player. They literally couldn't afford to. Playing him in 3 league games winning 3 points that is a direct sporting advantage. if anything the fact they kept him is even worse for their case.

What an odd comment to make 31:10 "they've let fans run with that idea" how can you blame Everton Football Club when they have essentially been gagged on the matter and any narrative that has been pushed has been by certain 'journalists' that have consistently been having information from the case leaked to them in the days/hours before the information is made public (just a coincidence I'm sure but maybe David Ornstein could weigh in on this).

It always amazes me that no journalist ever asks whether these rules are right and what effect they will have.

I've seen people say the second breach comes out of the same error in applying accounting principles to the interest paid on financing the stadium? Is that true?

@jameshughes5722

3 ай бұрын

yes and no. It's part of it, but because of the appeal it's unlikely the second one will hold up given the original breach was legally incorrect.

EFL method can't be the method going forward. If man city breached by 500 million every year for the past 6 years (i know, totally unbelievable right?) they'd still have won 2 titles, and champions league finished for the other 4. No real penalty

Maybe everton should appeal the appeal, sounds like they could be stitched up a further 6 points and then because they have excepted this appeals verdict have no recourse for another.

Not to be a conspiracy theorist, but this reevaluation feels like mitigation, and the proposed efl framework feels like preparation for giving City a slap on the wrist.

@Geokinkladze

3 ай бұрын

If City are found guilty then it'll be more than a slap on the wrist. Thing is unless they have new evidence that UEFA didn't have then the charges are going to be baseless.

You lot need to get John off toffee TV a shareholder who knows about the spending. Get your facts right before commenting. Everton sold Richardson £60 million Gordon £40. Dinge £35 mil. And bough hardly anything for last 3 years. 3rd lowest spend in the league.

The report states, no sporting advantage was sought. So it’s on players, it’s on investment. Like the stadium. Let’s be honest so many clubs broke the rules, hence the sudden scare and lack of spending on players in January

the interesting thing about "sporting advantage" and "fairness" is that the P&S regulations do not state their intention as ensuring sporting integrity. look at the title, it's quite obvious: "profit" and "sustainability"--the point of the regulations is to protect vital community institutions from mismanagement by owners like moshiri. PSR was not intended to be a tool for retribution by rival clubs, nor was it intended to be used to protect the sporting integrity of the game. moreover, "sporting advantage" is, on a specific level, unquantifiable, therefore no sporting punishment could ever be proportionate because what it must be proportionate to is (essentially) unknowable. you might wonder if i find points deductions inappropriate then what do i think would be a appropriate? well, in my world there would be mandated fan ownership along with spending caps so this would never happen. however, in the current context, i think it would be appropriate to punish owners for mismanagement, not the clubs, e.g. forced sales as per abramovich. but, of course, nobody in a position of power would ever hit the breaks on the premier league gravy train. so, it's a moot point.

According to a expert on talk sport tv the final positions of the premier league may not be know until late june .

Hold on. Going into administration is worse than breaching FFP/PSR? Administration is undoubtedly severe for a club and it's supporters but is effectively confined to that club. Breaching FFP however, affects other clubs in the league. Spending more on better players affects the results of games against teams who stick to the rules potentially leading to their relegation and the huge impact that has. That may be addressed in the related case against Everton brought by teams affected. And one of the reasons FFP/PSR has been introduced is to try and PREVENT administration.

@Geokinkladze

3 ай бұрын

When clubs go into administration it means the industry becomes more of a risk to creditors, so other clubs suffer. Administrators then begin to negotiate with the clubs creditors and getting them to accept a pence on the pound settlement. So going into administration can mean a club gets a discount on it's debts.

What is done with the fines?

How can administration be 9 points and spending 20m over be 8 points ,that's ridiculous

Another important fact, the first hearing was delayed becuase Everton delayed and delayed last year. The reason rules was so lax was that it was written by 20 PL clubs including Everton

@robertmclellan3658

3 ай бұрын

Every club didn't vote for it.

@ianclarke3627

3 ай бұрын

Moved the goalposts during the process

@jameshughes5722

3 ай бұрын

they aren't facts it's. Something you invented.

@robertlee6338

3 ай бұрын

@@jameshughes5722 It is a fact

What's Matt slater staring at the whole time 😂

Jeez rules with no accountability....Genius. I hope the prem board give themselves a proper pay rise

Here's a good guideline: no club can run at a loss. Easy.😅

Matt slater is floating in cloud cuckoo land, looks like he’s coming down from an acid trip. 😅

Matt Slater.. what an absolute blurt!

We have lost points, ok, whatever. HOWEVER, can anyone explain to me how 6 teams can try and force a break away league and not get any points deductions? THAT is where the corruption lies. It is 1 rule for 6 teams and another rule for the rest of us. I repeat.....CORRUPTION.

pl is going hard on clubs now because they want to manufacture precedent for the trial of man city. so yeah i feel bad for everton et al

Matt slater you are wrong . Look at Everton player purchases and sales . You've not seen the figures. So don't talk about things you don't know. If you take stadium costs out of ffp Everton did not fail PSR. Fact.

Mat Slater lying through his teeth. The Stadium build was exactly what put us over. Based on Interest rates which the Premier League originally said would not be counted and then half way through our build. changed their minds. 😢. That is a fact and is the fact that out us over. Why I'd Matt lying about this and why is the Athleric allowing him.to lie. On his comment about trending downwards we have been trending downwards and we're working and complying with tbe Premier league to reduce our squad size and wage bill. The Premier forced us to sell Richarlson to Tottenham for 60 Million which was 20 Millin less than we wanted, because the Premier League said we had to. Mat Slater is lying because Eveeton were complying with the Premier League and have the lowest net spend over 5 years along with Luton and Brighton. Please do not let people like Mat Slater lie and have no push back.tl his lies please

This is a mess. Simply, you lot don't have a answer, scrap it immediately because accusations pointed at Everton " Sporting advantage" is creating division in the EPL While the ESL starts 2025 and appears easier to play and work in. All this to protect top six. Mad, absaloutely self destruction of EPL by lazy 20 EPL members😢

The obvious change would be to deduct points at the beginning of the following season, rather than the season in progress.

@dfnffc

3 ай бұрын

Which brings about another issue. Clubs want punishment to be handed out in the season they were committed. Take Luton for example they could argue why should they be relegated in the season that Everton commited the offence but the teams next season benefit from the points deduction

What sporting advantage? Have you seen us play? UTFT

Can David Ornstein explain why he is breaking the news and this is not coming first from the premier league themselves? Thanks

As a Forest fan this seems an absolute mess. And has ruined the joy for many fans of this season. If a team comes up and has 9 players on the books as Forest had they should be allowed to build with a higher threshold for one season to be able to survive. Everton there is no excuse, 30 years prem league. Should have managed it better

You keep talking about Everton breach I hear nothing about the players we sell don't understand it

am I the only one that thinks this is a pre-amble to them being handed a further 6 point deduction... Like giving them a 20 point deduction would obviously relegate them and people would consider it extremely unfair... 12 points would put them 1 point behind Luton and they may be able to escape.

Why do you listen to the mainstream.. All know nothing brothers ✌️

Let’s get real here We have been punished let’s look 👀 at The Dream team Man City

115 FC. Thats where the league is Damaged. It makes a mockery of the EPL every game they play and Win. Its soooo wrong on many levels to have let them continue to take other clubs titles.

Come after the Coy the Coy will fight back

Excellent discussion with points well made. Emphasis on the concepts of the case 😊

Excellent podcast this, I enjoyed listening to the discussion. With regards to owners they have some responsibility to losses and lack of any financial accountability. Farhad Moshiri Everton's owner is responsibil for Everton's decline and he should be sanctioned accordingly wth a £10 million fine and banned from ever owning a football club ever again!

Everton have the second lowest net spend in the league over the last 5 years. Matt Slater you are absolutely clueless

Matt Slater this not go to well with Everton fans we do not agree we had sporting advantage. So stop telling lies your full of crap

Matt slater u are a joke, explain what the sporting advantage was then please... Love to hear what u have to say when man city and Chelsea and possibly even forest won't get no points deductions...u will probably say its the correct decision.....climb out the PL arse.

* precedent

A reminder that David Ornstein and Matt slater are a joke

Also, Matt Slater you said that the people who wrote the rules didn't think anyone would breach them. Adjusted for inflation the threshold would be over £200million in today's money. The Premier League had no mandate from the 20 clubs to submit of calculate ANY points sanction policy. They had absolutely no right to present this to the original panel. Richard Masters acted outside of his remit to unduly influence the original panel and requested a 12 point deduction. Masters needs to resign

Not a fan of FFP or PRS or whatever this one is called, but Everton are lucky because they are receiving it this season so when they get the 2nd one which should likely be 6pts as its the same offence for a different 3 year cycle I don’t want to hear any moaning

@davidg7987

3 ай бұрын

More likely be 2 points (1/3) as they have already been punished for 2 of those 3 ‘new’ years.

@jameshughes5722

3 ай бұрын

!which should likely be 6pts as its the same offence for a different 3 year cycle I don’t want to hear any moaning" how is it a new 3 year cycle when 2 of the years are the ones they got punished for you idiot. It's the end of the same 3 year cycle. so a third of any punishment should be applied in this case 1-3 points. but only if they overspent in the third year.

Matt Slater talking fluff by using the administration deduction of 9 points as a benchmark and watering down from there. The whole point is that there historically have been no teeth to any of the self-governance and regulation in English football. They have only moved recently with the threat of this been taken away. I have no beef with Everton, and obvs it hits their fans hard if they are punished, but the club broke the rules, and broke them knowingly and it looks like they did it consecutive years. Yesterday's ruling is a sad day for the future of English football, as it was for European football the day City got off on a formality. Unless regulation has teeth this sport will just be like American sport, just entertainment.

As a finance person I appreciate Matt Slater's explanation. Clear and much more detailed than the other sports reporters when covering business side of football.

3 ай бұрын

you utter clown

Unfortunately, Everton was transparent and cooperative. City are inoperative and totally secretive about their financials

@BikenutGB

3 ай бұрын

No, Everton admitted guilt, City haven't

It was not a sporting advantage it’s in the decision absolutely rubbish

Used to watch the PL religiously but now I am dissillussioned by it and no longer watch it , pundits employed for political correctness and not by their ability ,foreign owners , average foreign players , it has lost its English working class aspect about it .

I'm very much looking forward to Man City's 690 point deduction.

6 points is not going to hurt mancity is it

This is the worst I've seenn

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They need to simply agree a FFP point deduction. You’re either over the agreed loss amount or you’re under it. It needs to be a fixed point deduction amount I.e. 10 which I think is fair.

As a Jurist, I can say that the regulatory oversight of the Premier League club's violation of financial fair play is a clear violation of simple Legal principles and Fairness. No Legal certainty, no fair and proportionate criteria for punishment, violation of retroactive oversight and effects. This is ridiculous. The appeal should be sustained. The attribute of 6 points might be discussible as proportionate, but what's not discussible is the proportionality of 10 points for financial fair breaches of only 10 million dollars. My legal opinion is no points deductions to Everton and only a financial punishment, why? Deducting point is a very serious punishment that should be related to a direct violation of FFP rules to get a field advantage. The advantage in pitch performance for Everton was minimum/partial at best, so it should be reduced. Additionally, unlike other Premier League clubs, Everton was clearly in good faith, admitting guilt, and cooperating with AFL and PL clearly undermines the necessity of harsh punishment. The regulatory oversight of such cases is ridiculous.

@_RandomPea

3 ай бұрын

Hmmm. Fining them so they can't afford to invest... Great outcome! I think they would rather the points option as they won't be relegated. Would have been last year though.

@_RandomPea

3 ай бұрын

Also, if they were in good faith do you think that was why they decided to crack on and do it again the next year?😂

Mental strain on Everton players and fans? Try being a City fan. We’ve had this for nigh on a decade. Altho City players seem to thrive given the trophies won.

Everton in relegation places the last 5 seasons when.talking about net spend with wages etc. sporting advantage, what Everton have is an Old stadium etc that costs lots too comply with premier league standards

@jameshughes5722

3 ай бұрын

why are you lying? Everton in relegation places the last 5 seasons

Will have to give the vid a thumbs down mate, having PL Stooges on like matt slater is awful......we had to sell our best players to appease the PL escaped relegation by a point or 2 2 seasons on the bounce how is that a sporting advantage. And i wish people would stop saying man citys case is complicated....thats a shit house way to say man city are getting nothing done to them..... Wont be watching again.

Why do you lie matt? We have been punished for trying to better ourselves, the premier league and the city of Liverpool by building a new stadium. There is alot of evidence to support this so please do your research before talking absolutely shite mate thanks