"oh no china is subsidizing electric vehicles making it hard to compete on price" meanwhile US has been subsidizing the domestic oil industry for the last 100 years

@hillockfarm8404

16 күн бұрын

America did that for its own citizens, China doesn't have the internal market, so it dumps the stuff on other markets and at unfair advantage due to protected status as 2nd/3rd world economy. Be carefull when comparing.

@Pecisk

16 күн бұрын

Also manufacturers admitting that they fucked it up themselves. Because that sweet sweet oil money talks very loudly.

@cl8804

16 күн бұрын

J3VV LOVE. TO SEE. IT.

@MartinMaat

16 күн бұрын

Offering tax exempts is also subsidizing. So is raising import tax on foreign products. Every country has its own ways.

@ThatOpalGuy

16 күн бұрын

yeah, and they cant pay people nothing, as much as they want too. I guess capitalism is only fair if the US is doing it.

China's coal consumption would likely be significantly lower if it were not responsible for producing half of the world's products commissioned by Western companies. We have been using them for years to produce our stuff now they have got good at it and we are moaning about it. We only have ourselves to blame.

@jamesrowlands8971

15 күн бұрын

This. Especially steel.

@100c0c

15 күн бұрын

China shouldn't mind the manufacturing being brought back then. It will help reduce their coal use.

@jamesrowlands8971

15 күн бұрын

@@100c0c except that this would increase the length of logistics supply chains, making manufacturing more inefficient.

@ricardodelzealandia6290

15 күн бұрын

Pretty much said exactly this to some friends in the pub the other night.

@ShieldAre

15 күн бұрын

No, we have China to blame. China has done this deliberately. It used a lot of cheap coal and implemented loose environmental protections precisely so that it could attract manufacturing. As a result, China has gained an immense amount of investment and gotten richer far faster than for example India. China is the one profiting here, using a scheme they deliberately set up, and as such, China is the only one to blame. If China didn't want to be blamed, it wouldn't have used cheap coal and it would have implemented stricter regulations. The West is to blame only in the sense that it didn't implement strong enough carbon tariffs, but they are not easy to implement and track.

For some unknown reason, youtube keeps recommending videos about how EVs are a failure, and people dont want to buy them.

@ronvandereerden4714

16 күн бұрын

The reason is known. Fossil industries have enormous power. We are flooded with their propaganda which triggers all sorts of algorithms in both social media and mainstream media in a vicious cycle. There's just no way these multi-$trillion industries are going to go down without a fight.

@samchickensandwich23

16 күн бұрын

gee i wonder why, might it be that it has failed and people actually arnt buying them so much anymore ?

@stickynorth

16 күн бұрын

Yup! Someone rich and influential is able to buy the algorithm.. Same here... It's a constant cycle of FUD media now... I'm a say probably MBS and Saudi Aramco since its the largest petro-chemical company on earth and they are almost entirely dependent on fossil fuel revenue to this day to the keep the Kingdom's lights on... Plus they were already caught conspiring to try and stop the growth of EV's... Check out the clip on KZread of its CEO in a hot mic scenario I believe...

@stickynorth

16 күн бұрын

@@samchickensandwich23 BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... NOPE. I see you're the FUD monster of "we've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas" What a bloody maroon!

@stickynorth

16 күн бұрын

@@ronvandereerden4714 Bingo! Saudi Aramco and ExxonMobil have massive marketing budgets for a reason.. And it's not to convince us that we need oil... It's that we can't live with the alternatives... Total FUD funders from the beginning....

Remember about 5 years ago when the argument was *still* "Why should we decabronise? China won't do it!" And is now "China decarbonised and everyone wants the technology, it isn't fair!"

@soowo5942

13 күн бұрын

China is ready to share.

@jesan733

13 күн бұрын

AFAIK, China still has more than half of the world's coal generation but only 30% of the world's total electricity generation. China is much, much higher in CO2 emissions per kWh compared to e.g. the US.

@soowo5942

13 күн бұрын

@@jesan733 China needs energy. Coal is what China has.

@jesan733

13 күн бұрын

@@soowo5942 perhaps, but decarbonized it has not.

@yeechut

12 күн бұрын

​@@jesan733China's per capita carbon emissions is half that of America's - further more China is producing half of the world's manufacturing goods. Are the Chinese less human than the Westerners?

The other factor is, of course, that much of our industrial production has been moved to China, in other words, our lowering CO2 output is simply being 'outsourced' to China. So it's frankly pretty obscene of us to point the finger at their CO2 levels.

@sportsonwheelss

15 күн бұрын

the thing that Western nations never mention is that the Chinese are not only carrying other nations' pollution being the manufacturer for the world, yet their emission per capita is still half of what Western world pollutes.

@John-FourteenSix

15 күн бұрын

How else do you suggest we call them to account when we all breathe the same air?

@TheHonestPeanut

15 күн бұрын

​@@John-FourteenSix the US has no right to call any country to account for anything. Nothing. China increased their CO2 output with the intent of eliminating it and they're on track to do so. Even with their increase they're FAR behind the US per capita. China isn't the world's biggest polluter and they're already reducing their output.

@diceman199

15 күн бұрын

@@John-FourteenSix Maybe look at the per person output and China are already way ahead of the rest of us on installing renewables.

@manoo422

15 күн бұрын

@@diceman199 China are doing exactly what everyone else should be doing by using ALL available resources to power it economy. Rather than what the West is doing which is ignoring all the best options and focusing on all the most worthless and expensive options.

Let’s assume, for argument’s sake, that Chinese government subsidies are making their products more competitive. How is that a bad thing? All that proves is that capitalism can’t compete against a capitalist/socialist hybrid government. That’s not a bad thing unless you’re a billionaire capitalist. And pardon me if I don’t shed a tear for billionaires.

@fabmanly1070

15 күн бұрын

Don’t mention any word on the net that ends in ism’ it sends US citizens into fits of uncontrollable spasms.

@nathangriffiths6218

15 күн бұрын

If the US hadn't subsidised it's own auto industry to the tune of $80 billion by bailing them out after the GFC there wouldn't even be any US car companies to complain about Chinese competitors getting subsidised.

@user-ju3yu9sh9p

9 күн бұрын

billionaires dont give a fk if you shed a piss

@koiyujo1543

7 күн бұрын

Uh dude as a socialist, china is not capitalist it's a bu'nch of bs from neo libe'rial and libe'rial and capit'alist propag'anda It's a socialist country and of course it's economy is a Market socialist economy it has nothing with capitalist do your research dude... like just no don't always listen to what people tell you because you should still always try to do your own research because they will lie to you trust me on that one unless you trust places with actual good informaiton and actually shows data on a vid like how I use YT for mostly my reserach tool which I try to be careful of who I listen and learn from what source their some good ones I could recommend if ya like chap and a pretty good one too economy wise

Well, I live in Australia and drive a Chinese EV - because they're affordable....

@Poppetje75

13 күн бұрын

Unfortunately, Tesla is canceling the model 2 for people with a lower budget. This shows that Elon thinks more about his own stock market than about reducing CO2 as he previously claimed.

@WJV9

13 күн бұрын

@@Poppetje75 - Elon has claimed a LOT of things, most of which never happened or took 5 times longer than he thought and cost twice as much as claimed. He's a con man in the mold of djt and other grifters. I hope NASA drops him soon before they get too dependent on his X companies.

@pikachus5m166

11 күн бұрын

How much does the BYD Seagull cost in Australia?. I've noticed huge UK price differences in BYD, MG and GWM with prices down under, and can only put that down to government policies.

@mikeg9b

10 күн бұрын

@@Poppetje75 Tesla is not cancelling the more affordable car. From the Q1 2024 Earnings Call (Apr 23, 2024): "In terms of the new product road map, there's been a lot of talk about our upcoming vehicle line in the next -- in the past several weeks. We've updated our future vehicle lineup to accelerate the launch of new models ahead, previously mentioned start of production in the second half of 2025. So, we expect it to be more like the early 2025, if not late this year. These new vehicles, *including more affordable models,* will use aspects of the next-generation platform as well as aspects of our current platforms, and we'll be able to produce on the same manufacturing lines as our current vehicle lineup." kzread.infoo81Rs-w3YMY?si=HNuP0E3mkIlZBDmx&t=443

@hermesliteratus882

2 күн бұрын

@@pikachus5m166 For some inexplicable reasons, the UK government, not unlike the US, is regarding Chinese made EVs as national security threat and often imposes crazy tariff upon them.

turns out planning your economy beyond just maximizing profits in the next quarter is a good way to do things

@jamesrowlands8971

15 күн бұрын

Who knew? And the hilarious irony is that Chinese spent the 70s, 80s and 90s going to Western universities to learn key fields like economics, and engineering. They learned the useful bits from us, while we were ahead, and then applied them with their own theories and won.

@sowireless

8 күн бұрын

Capitalism with Chinese characteristics. However, they have had some significant misallocations of capital. Namely real estate, but then again we have had the same kinds of things because of the boom bust nature of our Western capitalism model. They argument is that the so-called free market will self-correct faster than the socialism paradigm. They are sure kicking our ass in sunrise technologies and industries however. Opened up a can of whoop ass on us, as this video so graphically portrays. We are all going to see how this game plays out. So far it's not looking that great for Western capitalism, captured by a dying industry, and taking the entire edifice down with it.

@jamesrowlands8971

8 күн бұрын

@@sowireless the scary thing is the industries that have captured our state are mostly related to the national security apparatus. Meta, Lockheed Martin, Boeing. They get to kill whistleblowers and journalists with impunity, while sending weapons to Nazis and Zionists simultaneously. And not for ideological reasons. But because they want to transfer the wealth of societies into the hands of their shareholders. And the greatest irony of all is that it was the violence around Tiananmen Square in 1989, which landlocked them. The West was happily selling arms to China until then. But then implemented sanctions, forcing the Chinese to return to a mix of domestic defence aquisitions & Russian assistance.

It's refreshing to see someone pointing at the bad parts of a country without demonizing it into oblivion. I hope to see more people getting on board of that.

@theotherandrew5540

15 күн бұрын

If you talk to Chinese people who have lived there, you’ll find the media make a HUGE fuss about a small problem, and much of the reporting in, to put it kindly, “dubious”.

@lordk.gaimiz6881

15 күн бұрын

@@theotherandrew5540I mean dubius reporting happens everywhere, I'm just hoping (perhaps naively) that it happens less as time goes on. Regardless, have a good one ^^

@jamesphillips2285

15 күн бұрын

@@theotherandrew5540 You also get dissent silenced. Naiomi Wu "had [her] wings clipped" in the last year.

@theotherandrew5540

14 күн бұрын

@@jamesphillips2285Dissenters from the UK government policy on the war in Gaza? I have “dissented”:from the mainstream view of the war in Ukraine, but I can’t get anyone to publish my views. The BBC ridicules such views, especially when expressed by a Russian or someone who has actually lived there.

@sergeykish

14 күн бұрын

@@theotherandrew5540 Have you "dissented" from the mainstream view of WW2? Holocaust? 1938 Germany occupied and annexed Austria and Czechia. 2014, 2022 Russia occupied and annexed Ukraine.

Capitalism will ALWAYS sacrifice anyone and anything that does not make a profit for them.

@Pecisk

16 күн бұрын

And that is biggest difference here. China motives are also relativistic of course, but they are winning this game because capital is incredibly bad with giving up short term profits for long term benefits, especially now.

It is Cheap Electric Cars. Important difference. It is not Cheap Gas Cars. Cheap Electric Cars. Support China ❤.

Once again The US is accusing China of doing what the US does. Remember the US selling very cheap corn to countries of South America. Those countries stopped producing corn, so the US then simply raised the price.

@olafsigursons

16 күн бұрын

China think 1984 was an instruction book.

@astebbin

16 күн бұрын

Don’t forget the US auto industry bailouts circa 2009.

@dc37009

15 күн бұрын

An infantily simplistic summary... So, your saying by comparison China's the good guy (Lame).

@nathangriffiths6218

15 күн бұрын

A tale as old as time - back in the 1700s the world centre of cotton textile production was Bengal, India but after it's domestic market was flooded with cheap, popular cloth from India the British introduced the Calico Acts banning the importation of cotton textiles into England. The British then began importing raw Indian cotton to make textiles domestically, which lead to the development of mechanisation of production and Britain itself becoming a world centre of textile production and ironically exporting cloth manufactured from Indian cotton back to India.

@mmparker42

15 күн бұрын

​@dc37009 not simplistic at all! Gave lots of facts. In 10 years, China will be the world's superpower and the US will have to suck it up!

Awesome.... best yet summary. I have been writing this stuff for the last couple of years, but here it is collated and enumerated. I shall be linking here often.

@JustHaveaThink

16 күн бұрын

Thank you. I really appreciate your feedback :-)

@FLPhotoCatcher

16 күн бұрын

I think that the man he interviewed was too pro-China. China is running *concentration camps* for crying out loud. We don't need more cheap (in all senses of the word) stuff. The stuff most people have is cluttering their houses and yards, and is polluting their air, water, and land. It soon ends up in landfills and dumps, and pollutes almost all of our air and water. Both R and D admins support the big tariff, and so do I. We need more manufacturing here in America, and promoting Chinese goods is not how to get there.

Totally agree. European and US Legacy Auto industries sat on their hands for years in the hope they could find a solution that still required production of ICE cars to continue for the lucrative parts market. They allowed disrupters like BYD and Tesla get a major foothold in the game and are now seeking to lobby Europe and the US to put a hold on Chinese imports to protect themselves from their own incompetence and hubris.

@mmparker42

15 күн бұрын

Couldn't agree more!

Time to follow China's lead and go all in on renewable energy, grid improvements, and battery storage.

@katherinemahon9471

15 күн бұрын

I think we should go to water powered cars, cars that make hydrogen and run on hydrogen. We can't make enough electricity for cars and buses without using fossil fuels to create electricity.

@ElwoodEBlues

15 күн бұрын

​@@katherinemahon9471estimations made by German energy Trusts state that the complete electrification auf Motor traffic would increase the demand for electric energy by just twenty percent. This "we cannot produce enough electric energy for all the cars" argument is popular here in Germany as well but nevertheless not valid.

@johnnodge4327

15 күн бұрын

​@@katherinemahon9471 Last weeks video proved the opposite.

@thingusbingus1268

15 күн бұрын

​@@katherinemahon9471I'm an electrical engineer this is simply not true. Hydrogen cars are the biggest waste of energy because batteries get the job done for way cheaper, and more energy efficiently. Additionally fossil fuel powered heating and electrification are INCREDIBLY inefficient technologies. For your average car only about 40% of the energy stored in fossil fuel is used to push the car forward. In an electric car, transferring energy from the powerplant to a charging station to a battery to the motors has a round trip efficiency 70-80%. This means we would need HALF as much total energy if we electrify systems. And for a country like USA with so much land it's incredibly easy to build out renewable energy

@BrentonSmythesfieldsaye

15 күн бұрын

@@katherinemahon9471 "cars that make hydrogen and run on hydrogen." - Let us know when that product has arrived. 😂

There should not be a culture of blame toward the common people on either side. We so often speak of countries as if they are people going around doing stuff with the will of their whole population behind them. The more people exist in a civilization, the more minds there are, and the more potential motives and views there can be. That's why it always distresses me to see hundreds of millions of people lumped into one stereotype.

@Pecisk

16 күн бұрын

That is actually solid point. Most talk around China is score settling or positioning. While this video has bias, it has different angle. Of course we really don't know what Chinese really think about this problem, which is a shame.

@steelmote

16 күн бұрын

Yes, almost everything about China is framed in terms of a competition or battle. It's an exhausting way to think and live. I think this channel is better at avoiding the trap than most others, though. I made my initial comment because this is the only place I know where the quality of discussion is high enough to talk about things like this :)

@incognitotorpedo42

15 күн бұрын

Our views toward other countries are shaped by the policies that their leaders implement. Of course everyone knows that individual people in a country don't control what the leaders do. That didn't stop people from looking down on America (where I live) when Bush invaded Iraq and tortured people. It doesn't stop me looking down on Russia now because of Putin's murderous rampage. I'm not lumping all Russians into one stereotype, so don't get distressed. But I am telling them their government is evil. To get a little more on topic, I think China will be a great force for good, but I don't like their government's ugly turn toward nationalism or their saber rattling.China's a big country, and it's complicated.

@choui4

15 күн бұрын

There's no war but class war

@steelmote

15 күн бұрын

The USA has been rattling sabers much louder and for much longer. I'm American and everyone I talk to about China fears it and thinks it wants only to hurt us. Then I start talking about what I've seen in China, what other vloggers/travelers are seeing, and people don't want to hear it because they've made up their minds. The average Chinese does not have strong political opinions and they don't like to talk about it. They are just trying to live their lives, like us. Unlike the USA, they have solved most of their internal divisions so that most different ethnic groups and religions can get along. (Yes, I know about the Uighurs, and the cities who drowned because of dams). Meanwhile, the USA is still stuck on black-vs-white, rich-vs-poor, left-vs-right, etc. I never see ordinary Chinese hating on other countries or calling for war, but I see plenty of ordinary Westerners hating on Chinese. China bluffs a lot because histocially, a strong China was an expansionist China. Bluffing is sometimes reprehensible, but it's not really evil. They are using it to position themselves economically, not politically as is believed. Both China and USA are headed for a huge birth rate + population crash. Proportionally, their government and military are far smaller than that of the USA. So their politics are even less shaped by the will of the people than those of the USA. When speaking of China, we should take these things into account. Popular "China news" channels are always talking about what happens in the urban centers. It is usually another brand of fearmongering, and we learned enough from Iraq/Afghanistan to deconstruct it, yet people are still falling for it.

Info in here may be, all available elsewhere, but you did a great job at consolidating it and presenting it 🙏🏻

@JustHaveaThink

16 күн бұрын

Thank you :-)

Here in the US State of Georgia officials have promised billions to EV and battery manufacturers. To pretend that we are not guilty of government subsidies is pure bollocks.

@Pecisk

16 күн бұрын

Subsidies are only way West capital can be made interested in tackling even lip service change for climate.

@alfredotto7525

16 күн бұрын

China's ev industry is being paid for by us. And Europeans. This is like yelling at the cow for being outside because you left the barn door open.

@TankEnMate

16 күн бұрын

There is one big difference between the Chinese direct subsidies and the US direct subsidies; the Chinese subsidies are paid to the manufacturers per car manufactured, the US subsidies are paid to the purchaser per car bought. So this makes it economically profitable for Chinese companies to dump overseas but it doesn't make it economically profitable for US manufacturers to do the same. Obviously some have posited that these forms of Chinese subsidies are deliberately done this way to harm non Chinese manufacturers.

@douglashurd4356

15 күн бұрын

@@TankEnMate Review the video from 5:20 to 6:10.

@jmanakajosh9354

15 күн бұрын

​@@TankEnMate Scale the idea that we spend hundreds of millions and China spends trillions and the two are comparable is CRAZY

Why is it fine for western companies to outsource all of their production to China to reduce cost of goods sold in US and Europe. But as soon as Chinese companies start producing their own goods and selling them competitively in US and Europe everyone loses their minds. Why should prefer wealthy western shareholders profiting from Chinese production over Chinese business owners and the Chinese state, because I really don't.

@John-FourteenSix

16 күн бұрын

30-40 years ago Western Governments openly encouraged closing coal pits, car and steel manufacturing plants and outsourced most manufacturing abroad. India, China, far east. We printed money to pay for it all, while China especially planned for the long game. A one word answer, Monetarism. Thatcher and Reagan had a lot to do with it.

@jhunt5578

16 күн бұрын

You should care because it harms our economies. China don't just allow companies from the West to go in. Many are banned. And if they get in they must partner with a Chinese company and share profits. The only acception I know of is Tesla, China bent the rules for them because they wanted to learn and grow their EV market.

@fenrirgg

16 күн бұрын

Because it benefits their own countries. If Chïnëse companies take the production and market then it affects their industries so they try to stop that. Most countries try the same including Chïnä.

@dogbreath6974

16 күн бұрын

@@jhunt5578 Yeah I feel sorry for Apples economy, they must be nearing bankruptcy.

@antred11

15 күн бұрын

Everyone with 2 brain cells to rub together has known for decades that all this outsourcing nonsense would eventually lead to China soaking up all the technological know-how and then outdoing the West and beating it at its own game, but all these "sMaRT" capitalist CEO douchebags knew better, of course. 🤡

Nothing wrong with government subsidies if they improve the lot of everyone in society.

@morganangel340

12 күн бұрын

I don't want my taxes to go to woke people who buy glorified golf carts.

The La Trobe Valley in Australia not only sold off its state-owned coal-fired generation system, but at governmental and union levels fought against clean renewables. The local communities were deskilled and unemployed; manufacturing moved offshore. 'Proudly designed in Australia' but actually made in China represented much of Australia's technological response.

@jamesrowlands8971

15 күн бұрын

I'm from that region. One of the truly rust-belted parts of Australia; with chronic disease and unemployment leading to premature deaths in what is otherwise a country where people have good outcomes.

@haroldwood1394

15 күн бұрын

@@jamesrowlands8971 Hello, James. I went to the Traralgon Technical school. Because of its connection to the then SEC and to the paper mill, it had an excellent set of workshops and science labs, etc. It produced people who went on to be world-class engineers and experts in computing. We were learning about solar power and wind generation back in the late 60's and 70's. The jump to communities based around renewable energy could certainly have been made - all the skills were there. However, the coal unions (much of the CFMEU) and the Kennett Liberal government opposed these changes, and the government simply sold off the SEC and the livelihoods of the communities in the area. Businesses, like Kayser, which were making profits, dumped their workers and went overseas to make bigger profits. There are reasons why the region is rust-belted; it wasn't always that way. I'm sure that you already know this. Best wishes to you.

@sowireless

8 күн бұрын

Technological disintermediation. It comes whether you want it or not. The question is, are you riding The wave as the Chinese apparently are doing, or are you being crushed by it. The wave is coming no matter what.

@haroldwood1394

8 күн бұрын

@@sowireless Agreed. I recall learning about and even trying to make alternative energy sources as a student in the La Trobe Valley. The government of the time and the coal unions actively opposed movement towards renewables.

@jamesrowlands8971

8 күн бұрын

@@haroldwood1394 were they libs or were they telling the truth?

China is a relative newcomer to C02 pollution and the historic efforts of Europe and the USA, over many, many decades got us all into difficulty before the Chinese economy even got going. Add to that the efforts of the Chinese to tack swift action to clean up their power generation and transport systems far quicker than Europe or USA suggests that the problem lies elsewhere.

Put a border adjusted tax on CO2 instead of directly on EVs. That would solve two problems at once. Level the playing field and getting them to move away from coal energy production

what a can of worms your opening up, but thanks for saying it

@JustHaveaThink

16 күн бұрын

No worries!

America has NATO, AUKUS, QUAD. And the best War Industry in the World. 888 Billion every year for Warfare. The most Budget in the World. So What??? Kneel and Obey. EU does, Japan does, Phillipines does. Taiwan does. Ukraine does. Australia does.

Sometimes economics is just warfare by a different means.

@nekoJens

15 күн бұрын

Especially since in China there is no separate economy, it is all part of the CCP state. China seems to have learned more from WW2 than Germany and Japan in that importing energy in the form of oil is posing a huge risk… so yes, China is going all in on renewables, which is also preparing it for a future war by making it less exposed to marine shipping chokepoints.

re subsidies, every major country used subsidy and protectionism to initially grow their economies. and most still use them (uk is subsidising companies to set up in the uk after brexit scared them off).

Fantastic content. And no ads and sponsorships are a massive achievement. No wonder Dave‘s channel is getting ever growing attention in the scene. Thanks from a long term subscriber.

Excellent episode as usual. Thanks for keeping me thinking.

@JustHaveaThink

16 күн бұрын

Cheers Alan.

It's crazy here in China. Every week I see a new EV that I've never seen by a brand I've never heard of. I do wonder if they are setting themselves up for yet another bubble by oversupplying the market and everyone getting on the EV bandwagon. There's form for that in China!

@jhunt5578

16 күн бұрын

That happens in a lot of new markets. Consolidation will happen. Only the best EV makers will survive.

@jamesgrover2005

16 күн бұрын

Capitalism is over supply. There will be winners and losers. Sometimes the losers are the future generations all around the world.

@dpsdps01

16 күн бұрын

That's how chinese smartphone companies started. And now, they dominate the market.

@davidlazarus67

16 күн бұрын

China are developing their manufacturing so they can minimise costs when they start selling to the Global Majority.

@davidlazarus67

16 күн бұрын

I predicted a decade ago that only Tesla and Chinese brands would dominate. China had a huge advantage. No legacy technology and an industrial policy.

It can’t be China is better at capitalism than we are. Can it?

@Pecisk

16 күн бұрын

Industrialism. Other economic systems can and have produced goods. Problem for West is that their industrial creativity has been replaced by profits all the time. But they can't blame themselves, can they.

@greg5023

16 күн бұрын

Totalitarianism for sure.

@mangothing1604

16 күн бұрын

Not totalitarianism. It's the government working for the benefit of society. The only difference is that the government decides what's good for society vs. private companies. America needs to get over unfettered capitalism as the panacea for everything.

@charlesashurst1816

15 күн бұрын

@@mangothing1604 I agree that extremely concentrated corporate power in the USA is a threat not only to our democracy but our capacity to face challenges such as our greenhouse gas emissions. Once wealth and power get so concentrated that they can't be successfully challenged, it's not just the end of democracy; it's extinction. And you know, China has a different but in some ways similar problem. Xi Jin Ping has amassed so much concentrated power that no one can challenge him. The result is a society that can't or won't self-correct when it goes wrong.

@charlesashurst1816

15 күн бұрын

@@mangothing1604 The like heeyuge problem for the USA right now. The South has risen again and wants to turn the USA into one big 19th century slave plantation. Think Walt Disney's Song of the Fucking South. The fuckers just might pull it off too. They are so close. Will the USA fail in the grand experiment of citizen rule? Stay tuned.

That is a lot to think about. Thanks, Dave, for another great presentation of (sometimes depressing) information!

@JustHaveaThink

16 күн бұрын

Thanks for your feedback :-)

Great video again, thanks Dave! Awesome to see Micheal, I'm a big fan of his stuff on Cleantechnica. If the US wants to promote human rights, it could do a lot right at home. Lead by example.

Thank you for the non-biased and informative content. Really interesting stuff:)

Up to 5 years ago there was this call that the west shouldn't do anything to improve the environment, until China (and India) fixes their impact. Now they have, and the west's response is to say they are doing too much.

This was a really uplifting, interesting and well made video. Thank you for sharing your brilliant content, and keep up the good work!

Chinas been absolutely kicking ass in the battle against climate change. And for that alone is enough to gain my praise

@goldreverre

15 күн бұрын

别相信共产党的胡说八道。

It seems to me that China is doing the right thing. Working hard, planning ahead, investing hugely, and reaping the rewards. Finally, and Best of all, they're keeping ideology out of it.

@mmparker42

15 күн бұрын

Very well said!

Very topical video. Just the content I've been, well, thinking about looking for.

Hi. Not sure if you will see this but this argument from the other side of the fence seems fairly convincing. How about a rebuttal next time you are covering batteries 😃 This is a Tesla model Y battery. It takes up all of the space under the passenger compartment of the car. To manufacture it you need: --12 tons of rock for Lithium (can also be extracted from sea water) -- 5 tons of cobalt minerals (Most cobalt is made as a byproduct of processing copper and nickel ores. It is the most difficult and expensive material to obtain for a battery.) -- 3 tons nickel ore -- 12 tons of copper ore You must move 250 tons of soil to obtain: -- 26.5 pounds of Lithium -- 30 pounds of nickel -- 48.5 pounds of manganese -- 15 pounds of cobalt To manufacture the battery also requires: -- 441 pounds of aluminum, steel and/or plastic -- 112 pounds of graphite The Caterpillar 994A is used to move the earth to obtain the minerals needed for this battery. The Caterpillar consumes 264 gallons of diesel in 12 hours. The bulk of necessary minerals for manufacturing the batteries come from China or Africa. Much of the labor in Africa is done by children. When you buy an electric car, China profits most. The 2021 Tesla Model Y OEM battery (the cheapest Tesla battery) is currently for sale on the Internet for $4,999 not including shipping or installation. The battery weighs 1,000 pounds (you can imagine the shipping cost). The cost of Tesla batteries are: Model 3 -- $14,000+ (Car MSRP $38,990) Model Y -- $5,000-$5,500 (Car MSRP $47,740) Model S -- $13,000-$20,000 (Car MSRP $74,990) Model X -- $13,000+ (Car MSRP $79,990) It takes 7 years for an electric car to reach net-zero CO2. The life expectancy of the battery is 10 years (average). Only in the last 3 years do you start to reduce your carbon footprint, but then the batteries must be replaced and you lose all gains made. And finally, my new friend, Michael, made some excellent points: I forgot to mention the amount of energy required to process the raw materials and the amount of energy used to haul these batteries to the U.S. sometimes back and forth a couple of times. But by all means, get an electric car. Just don't sell me on how awesome you are for the environment. Or for human rights.

Great presentation. Keep educating us.

@JustHaveaThink

16 күн бұрын

Thank you. I will do my best :-)

We have a bit of a myopic view on economics here in the West, in my opinion. If it doesn't vibe with capitalism, it doesn't happen. Problem being, capitalistic systems cant deal with every eventuality. Climate change being a prime example. What it all comes down to is that a few decades of stagnant growth while we figure things out is a lot more manageable than what would happen if we don't get our act together, fast. The economic cost alone would be catastrophic, to the point of being incalculable. Not to mention the humanitarian and ecological aspect.

@Pecisk

16 күн бұрын

Capitalism is good at effectively siphoning resources. That is all. It really does not do any changes well.

@angelic8632002

16 күн бұрын

@@Pecisk Yea, all adjustment are made retroactively. Which is a huge problem.

Dave is so right on this one, decades ago China was portrayed as the climates greatest looming threat due to it's economic/industrial expansion and emissions from coal. It would be naieve to assume that China is embracing renewables just out of the goodness of it's heart, renewables and electrification are more efficient and make China energy indepencent. Whatever, the case this is good news for us all. As far as it's growing industrial capacity is concerned, if The West considers this to be a problem then why don't we stop buying what they produce!

@peterh5165

15 күн бұрын

China also embraced eVs because of enormous air pollution in their big cities. A dozen years ago Beijing had some of the worse air pollution: now Beijing has pretty clean air as a result of enacting huge fees on anyone wanting to license a ICE vehicle in Beijing..

China's contribution to global progress is always overlooked, and that's a result of both racism and the stigmsatisation of communism. It's interesting to me that you went with the media line in discussing oppression in China, and mentioned the Uighur community. These issues are real, but, you're normally good at looking at the numbers. I challenge you to look at and discuss the incarceration rates in China compared with "western" countries, and also their racial makeup compared to the balance of those countries. Then ask yourself why you felt the way you did about the situation without having looked at the numbers.

Your analysis seems spot on. Having travelled to China multiple times for business and pleasure I’ve seen the blistering pace of modernization. Especially when travelling outside the major cities you see this change reflected in ultra-modern and the opposite in close proximity. “Borrowing” Intellectual property has been one factor in their rise, but as you point out choices made a decade or more ago have translated first mover advantage into a hard to compete with force - both in manufacturing and R & D.

@YoutubeWatcher264

16 күн бұрын

How is the air pollution though? How are the newly built coal power plants?

@norb.engineering

16 күн бұрын

When is your next trip back?

This argument feels like a contradiction, because a large amount of China's emissions is for western consumption, then western nation preventing trade would also decrease the emissions. If what China was selling were public transportation instead of private EVs then it would be a lot more helpful for the planet than more of the same thing, we already have private vehicles.

@keithv3767

16 күн бұрын

I’m not sure. Public transportation also has inefficiencies. Most studies show that autonomous cars in an Uber ride share model would be much more efficient than running half empty trains most the day .

@olamilekanakala7542

16 күн бұрын

@@keithv3767 Efficient in what sense? Definitely not space or materials. And I doubt it's overall more energy efficient, either.

@musiqtee

16 күн бұрын

The contradiction is just as true within our realm. My country sells gas to Europe, puts the proceeds into a fund that can only “invest” abroad, hiking energy prices also within Norway (common energy market hoax). And we are 95 percent hydroelectric domestically, no gas plants, 9 of 10 new cars are EVs… Buying a home is just as crazy as everywhere else in OECD (worst generational divide as of 2023, report), so who are the real “winners” here…?

@dogphlap6749

16 күн бұрын

China produces and exports plenty of electric buses which compete favorably with European and US electric buses in their respective domestic and overseas markets.

@thingusbingus1268

15 күн бұрын

You think China doesn't manufacture trains and busses ? You should look up the roll out of public electric powered busses in China. China produces literally everything, do you want to buy it ? No

Great and informative episode, thankyou Dave!

Good video. Informative, as usual. Many thanks!

Great video! Im a political scientist as well as a chinese linguist; this commentary is so valuable!

@JustHaveaThink

16 күн бұрын

Thank you. I'm glad you enjoyed it.

0 surprises for anyone who actually understands how a non-capitalist company operates. They can organize things for the long term instead of being forced to constantly shoot themselves in the foot for short term boosts to make shareholders happy.

@jonathandewberry289

16 күн бұрын

China's government took a massive amount of it's people's wealth to subsidize a huge glut of EVs that lose money for no other purpose but to try and kill Euro and other EV car companies. You think about that for a while.

@Pecisk

16 күн бұрын

Yep, West obsession with wealth has come to its head. Funny enough West after WWII would be able to tackle global warming. Not anymore.

@gugutvil5245

16 күн бұрын

The trend of looking at short term is not inherent to the capitalist system. it is more to do with the way public companies are working, and not all companies work in this way. While the Chinese system could work, it will not. The reason is that when you have a very strong leader, who is there for too long - it will fail, it always did and and always will.

@PhilippeOrlando

16 күн бұрын

You got it!

@colorpg152

16 күн бұрын

@@gugutvil5245 and here comes to anarco cap apologist "if something went wrong its the government's fault even when another non capitalistic government is clearly doing it better"

I love your work Dave. Thanks very much for this, and all that you do.

I look forward to this show every Sunday! Very well done.

I want to set d record straight as someone who lived in China for 2 decades & had travelled to Xinjiang several times in d course of that period that there's NO genocide of any sort going on there. Period.

@koiyujo1543

7 күн бұрын

wait wait wait... hold on really? than wtf is going on western propaganda? as a gen z american socialist it's hard for me to learn stuff because I'm constantly learning new stuff besides that I do wanna ask How can I know your actually living in china?

@annkoh8653

7 күн бұрын

@@koiyujo1543 Don't take my word for it. Experience it for yrself. It's open to anyone wanting to visit. Xinjiang is truly a beautiful place. Sceneries, food, culture & d people.

Fascinating. Thank you.

@harry664

16 күн бұрын

Second this ^^ brilliant stuff

@JustHaveaThink

16 күн бұрын

Cheers! :-)

Nice one Dave, you nailed it again .

Bravo for your balance and information. Many thanks.

I would say that this is across the board great news for the world. I think it's fantastic that China is getting on top of the problem of decarbonization, and I think it's wonderful as a model. And of course there is the but, where I think that China is generally Their Own Worst Enemy when it comes to their behavior beyond their borders. I also think that when I look at how they treat their direct neighbors it gives me real pause. Their claim of the South China Sea ignoring any other claims, their view of Taiwan, the Uyghur, and how they treat the Philippines All of these lead to a feeling of trepidation that once the Dragon is able to take care of its problems at home it will turn its attention to its nearest Neighbors. As a critique I would mention the systems in Europe and in the United States are rarely viewed at the level of the country or block, but that's exactly what we do with China when we look for the outside. I wonder how wonderful it was for all the people inside of China when these changes were being made unilaterally. I think that the process matters. We wouldn't accept unilateral judgment in our own countries, and I think the fact that they made a good bet at one point can't be fully negated considering what it might have taken to get there. I don't claim to have direct knowledge of that but I think that it's not a one-to-one comparison. Maybe the biggest takeaway is that you can't separate the political situation given the vast difference in societies, it's impossible to come away with a simple view from such a complicated problem. Definitely a good think though.

@YoutubeWatcher264

16 күн бұрын

Wow the west bought China's lies it seems. China is building six times more new coal plants than other countries, report finds MARCH 2, 20236:00 AM ET

@sparkysho-ze7nm

16 күн бұрын

…….. can relate

@YoutubeWatcher264

16 күн бұрын

Not just about the borders. They are known to fake their data, take shortcuts, not follow up or reverse their promises, say one thing do another, etc.

@YoutubeWatcher264

16 күн бұрын

Believe it when they actually did it.

@E1Luch

16 күн бұрын

Their Uighur opression was bad but it ended years ago, and its not me pulling this out of my ass, western outlets wrote about it. Meanwhile Israel is allowed to do whatever it wants with full backing by the USA and nobody cares. Western hypocricy regarding foreign policy is blatanly obvious to anyone paying attention. Tossing stones at China while living under a glass roof will get you nowhere, it will only lead to further escalation of tensions which would be disasterous for both sides, especially given how China is de-facto the factory of the world.

Tackling climate change should be an all hands on deck/we're all in this together type of moment. The time for anti-China propaganda, reactionary tariffs, crippling embargos and sanctions needs to end. It's too big of a problem for any single country to tackle, we need to learn how to work together (mostly criticizing the aggressive approach of Western foreign policy, if that weren't obvious).

@Pecisk

16 күн бұрын

We will fall divided. Unfortunately I feel this end becomes more and more real.

@red_skeleton

16 күн бұрын

@@Pecisk It's certainly hard to remain hopeful. I believe the US would rather destroy the planet than relinquish an iota of power.

@keithv3767

16 күн бұрын

@@red_skeletonHmmm. You think the U.S. is the problem. Ok, you’re stating your opinion in free and open media and you will receive no knock at the door jailing you for stating that opinion because the platform you are using is in the U.S. If you lived in China, would you have that luxury? When Russia invaded Ukraine, a lot of Europeans came out of their delusion that the U.S.’s military has been built only for world domination. Maybe there is some wisdom in having a NATO able to defend our mutual interests? And maybe NATO needs to have military might strong enough to dissuade dictators who really do seek domination.

@kevindrew7621

15 күн бұрын

Great point Red! I’ve been delusionally imagining that the growing resistance to militarism in both Ukraine and Israel/Gaza, just starting to peak this week, could indicate some unconscious symbiotic realization that militarism, unfettered consumer capitalism and corporate/government control will surely DOOM us all - and that each of us, individually and nationally, must choose logical, creative, effective, loving, collaborative pathways forward instead of the “same old, same old” USA Uber Alles. Hurray for the Chinese people, their govt and their incredible history of making a giant culture work - warts and all!! Please let my delusion be real! Thanks too, JHAT for an inspiring episode!!!

@12pentaborane

15 күн бұрын

As much as I agree climate change and greening energy production is an international effort, relying on China to provide products in good faith might be a stretch.

Fascinating video. Many thanks!

Fascinating and insightful. Great video!

China has 3 times the population of USA, their pollution is less than 3 times that of USA. Seems fair to me. More people, more industry, more pollution.

@incognitotorpedo42

15 күн бұрын

It's not a contest. We all need to get to net zero.

I feel like this video is a response to my comment just a few days ago about not having content outside of the western sphere. A well deserved kick to my butt.

Bookmarking this for when I need a reference about Chinese climate change myths. Their solar and wind under construction, planned HVDC transmission, them using coal plants as peaker plants and as a last resort, etc. Great video.

Thank you for continuing to be an excellent thought leader on these pivotal issues.

Excellent presentation. Thank you.

@JustHaveaThink

16 күн бұрын

Cheers.

China has 666 Gigawatt Solar. In 2025 1000 Gigawatt Solar.

Another excellent and thought provoking video. Many thanks 😊

2:40 Great video! Thanks a lot! Kind regards from Chile!

You should watch some China uncensored on youtube, but good video as always

@Shadowstray

16 күн бұрын

Be careful with those guys. While they do bring up a lot of valuable information on China, they've also been going into the deep end of conspiracy theories and climate change denial.

@JustHaveaThink

16 күн бұрын

Thanks for your support

@samchickensandwich23

15 күн бұрын

The news coming out of China is chilling to say the least even when you take it with a grain of salt and do some fact checking.

That's why a 10K € chinese EV costs 25K € in Germany!!!

@bugfeatures

16 күн бұрын

Yeah, the hongguang mini ev costs 5000€ in china and more than 10k€ in europe under the name nikrob freze

@jhunt5578

16 күн бұрын

The only Chinese EV maker who makes money on EVs is BYD and they get 1% margin. China I'd far too competitive for higher prices. The European and other global markets have room for higher prices.

@aniksamiurrahman6365

16 күн бұрын

F U average european consumer. How dare u expect to enjoy a cheaper yet better product when that'll reduce your billionaire's wealth?

@aniksamiurrahman6365

16 күн бұрын

F U avg European consumer. How dare u to expect to get a cheap yet better product in expense of your own billionaires.

@davidlazarus67

16 күн бұрын

@@jhunt5578I think more are making money but yes it is still very competitive.

Thank you! That was a well researched article and leaving it open at conclusion is good

Good vid! Extra points for using the term "Stranded assets" ... which I'm pretty sure will be a real buzz-phase of the next five years ;)

Brilliant video!

@JustHaveaThink

16 күн бұрын

Glad you liked it!

With respect to your last question: Russia shows that you can't get regime change and human rights by trading with a country. In fact, the opposite happens: your democracy gets fouled up instead due to special interests that rely on that trade and become lobbyists for it. What to do about this? I don't know. On the other hand, I don't buy the whingeing by the US and EU about China subsidies to renewables. I think the point you made- that these are "slow strategic" subsidies rather than simple cash-driven under-pricing- makes a lot of sense. Here in Australia we've just announced a similar form of industry support so we can't really complain if China have been doing it for 20 years. I'm reminded of US auto workers smashing Japanese cars in the 80's. Easier to throw poo than to work on your own productivity and innovation. The US likes complaining whenever other countries do the work: see also Taiwan and TSMC. After seeing your stories on croygenic storage I'm convinced that's the way of the future and I know China is working on that too, so I expect to see that ramp up over there and accelerate their energy storage. The biggest "threat" to the US would be if China were a democracy. If they'd followed the trajectory they were on pre-Xi, and settled relations with all their neighbours (incuding Taiwan), the US would have gradually diminished as a player in the region. Instead all the military threats mean that everyone needs the US as backup. Why invade a country when you can just invest in them instead?

that was a very informative presentation, congrats

Great video. Good to see various angles of the same facts.

Excellent video as always Dave.

@JustHaveaThink

16 күн бұрын

Many thanks!

Talk about missing the boat!! Brilliant thank you

Excellent. This is a great recap of all I have read.

Brilliant analysis as usual. Thank you.

It's a race to the bottom when it comes to the cost of production, so China wins.

@youngwt1

16 күн бұрын

China is not the cheapest place to manufacture any more, however the way they’ve clustered their industry has made their supply chains incredibly hard to beat

@nathangriffiths6218

15 күн бұрын

We need to remember that we in the West *chose* this outcome by demanding ever cheaper prices for products, below anything that could be achieved in our own economies.

@steveburke7675

15 күн бұрын

...until the moment Vietnam, Thailand and Mexico begin producing them....oh wait...Thailand already is.

The other reasons not to blame China for its emissions is per capita CO2 and the amount of CO2 emitted to produce items for western consumption.

@Pecisk

16 күн бұрын

Another very solid point.

@brushlessmotoring

16 күн бұрын

Yeah - I though the pie graph chart for China's emissions would be split into emissions for exported goods vs. internal, you can argue that we are just outsourcing our manufacturing emissions and then pointing the finger and tutting at the country we asked to make everything for us!

@matthiasknutzen6061

16 күн бұрын

Per capita they are pretty much equal to eu? Also climate change "doesn't care" about per capita only total.... If Luxembourg keeps building coal and apartment buildings that stand empty that's not a big deal, if China does it is a big deal. And look up China's consumption based vs Production based emission, a majority is from thier own consumption not export.

@davidlazarus67

16 күн бұрын

@@matthiasknutzen6061Chinas per capita carbon is peaking as they are making more of their energy from renewables. Plus they are still the global factory.

@matthiasknutzen6061

15 күн бұрын

@@davidlazarus67 source? Also so what? They still use more coal than the rest of the world combined (iirc), don't plan to peak coal consumption for a DECADE Why are people defending china??? really don't get it, often with plain wrong "facts". Yea it's good that they renewables and nuclear but they aren't building enough. And they should stop wasting cement for empty buildings.

Good point about subsidizing research and startups instead of industrial policy.

Whether China is willing to use electric power does not change the additional existentialist problem that China is expansionist, grabbing the oceans of Vietnam, Philippines; fisheries of all Pacific nations and Indian Ocean nations; and preparing territorial claims in Antarctica, Arctic waters, LEO, and Lunar territories. Has there really been a lack of science in the Antarctic to justify seven Chinese bases or is it more akin to their artificial island claims in the Pacific?

It's not so much US, EU, or China. It's human nature to consume more when things become more efficient or cheaper. Our cars are way more efficient than 70 years ago, but we drive more. Clothes are cheaper, but we are not saving money, we just buy more clothes. What I feel most uncomfortable about is human nature. The US-China beef is just a distraction.

@regellery6695

15 күн бұрын

The things you observe like buying more clothes, I think are culture not human nature. When you say human nature it feels like there is little we can do about it. I think we can improve human behaviour by making changes to our culture.

I am pissed at our politicians(cant name them leaders), who would put interest of our auto companies in front of our own and the climate. Good for you Dave to talk about it objectively. I would gladly put my finger on one of those, becouse as far as I would love to have Tesla, I need to wait for 3rd market in maybe 10-15 years to get one($$$$). When it comes to general policy. I would like our politicians to work closely with China, allow them free trade, and stop looking across the big pond for answers(USA). USA at this point is mainly focused on its military, instead of climate. Its dying, and we should not lean or support them in that, rather cut those ties and work with the future, which means China. But there is so much propaganda and political sh*t going on between our governments that I find it being a challenge...

@YoutubeWatcher264

16 күн бұрын

China is building six times more new coal plants than other countries, report finds MARCH 2, 2023 6:00 AM ET

@autohmae

16 күн бұрын

@@KZreadWatcher264 and they use it as peaker plants, as the video mentioned.

@keithheaven176

16 күн бұрын

As long as the CCP continues to brutally suppress the Tibetans, the Uighurs, human rights campaigners, and their lawyers, I will try to do the seemingky impossible and avoid supporting China. I'm sick of the way capitalism and communism have connived in the betrayal of humanity. I am not interested in supporting the apparently overriding hunger for some people for a shiny new cheap car. The delusion of unsustainable consumerism got us into this mess.

@royk7712

15 күн бұрын

​@KZreadWatcher264 they are mostly idle and only being used to prevent widespread power outage when industry consumption at its peak

@YoutubeWatcher264

15 күн бұрын

@@royk7712 Yup. If we are to believe China (CCP). When did they ever lie.

great episode. Lots of information with no politics. A lot to think about.

A very good video keep up the great work

When the governments beholden to capitalism sells of entire industries to a country that isn't beholden to capitalism. You get what we have here

There needs to be more positive approach to relations with China - the negativity seems to be driven from USA with right wing think tanks also spreading this alarming view about China. This video has reported the huge progress and advances that China is achieving

Great informational video...as usual...thank you...again.

@JustHaveaThink

16 күн бұрын

Thank you :-)

Another absolute banger of an episode. Well done Dave!

China at 31% of Coal and the US at 13% still leaves the US at a significantly higher per capita use of coal.

@stickynorth

16 күн бұрын

And with fewer plans to replace or phase it out...

@dannydenison6253

16 күн бұрын

And we should always get into, who is the worlds factory? Essential countries exporting their coal usage. Who has 4 times the population, and is still developing? Portion of gdp spent on the transition? On so so so many levels. China is leading the charge to a green society.

@r.1599

15 күн бұрын

62% - 66% of China's electricity was generated from fossil fuels in 2023. 60% of US electricity was generated from Fossil fuels in 2023.

@shanecollie5177

5 күн бұрын

@@r.1599 Inconvenient facts don't compute with the morons here.

China is just far more competitive than the US and Europe. If they are worried about Chinese productivity, they should focus on improving their industrial capabilities.

@autohmae

16 күн бұрын

Honestly, the point is: if you do it now, it's probably already to late.

@bugsygoo

16 күн бұрын

You also have to ask why it's so competitive. I mean, solar panels have come down in price thanks to China. But using Ugyhr prison labour isn't a great model.

@ogribiker8535

16 күн бұрын

Cheap labour, no health and safety, no eco regulation!. Yeah great.

@autohmae

16 күн бұрын

@@bugsygoo sure, their is some of that, but you know what the cheapest labor is ? Robotics and automation. Foxconn, 1 of the biggest electronics companies and employers in the world at the time, had their peak number of employees in 2017: 1.3 million, they've automated away almost half of them and production is obviously up as well. What is 1 of the products they make ? industrial robots.

@rudolfespinola9231

16 күн бұрын

@@bugsygoo They are far more competitive because they use their resources to develop their industry, education and infrastructure, while the US spends most of their resources on military endeavours abroad, and the Europeans cut themselves from affordable energy from Russia making their industry uncompetitive. Meanwhile China imports energy from Russia, Iran and the rest of the world improving their cost competitiveness even more.

Thanks a lot for your video. Just amazing how you've been able to put together all these arguments and contradictions. I've been thinking a lot about these same issues. It was a pleasure to see them well organized and discussed. There's no easy answer to this.

@JustHaveaThink

16 күн бұрын

Thanks. It is indeed an extremely complicated issue.

This video deserves much more views!

This feels like scratching the surface, but not really going into some needed details tho. Them being transparent and forward thinking and all sounds great, but i'm not convinced, it's very difficult to report on china precisely because they are so oblique. My approach would be to take note of the numbers they give and be very cautious/sceptical. Kudos for mentioning human rights abuses, many creators shy away from that topic.

@davidlazarus67

16 күн бұрын

Actually China are very open about their green efforts. It’s probably more down to western media and their China bad narratives that ignore facts. China is currently trying to develop Thorium reactors which if successful would give them energy independence for 20,000 years and would enable thorium reactors to much of the world especially in desert areas where water is scarce.

@jamesrowlands8971

15 күн бұрын

"it's very difficult to report on china precisely because they are so oblique." Meanwhile Julian Assange languishes in Belmarsh Prison. It's trivial to get a visa and go to China and learn for yourself. Your issue is not that China isn't open to the world. It's that the stenographers for Western states lie to you about it.

@incognitotorpedo42

15 күн бұрын

@@jamesrowlands8971 Have you lived there? People who have lived in China tell a somewhat different story. Assange is a criminal.

I think the supply issues triggered by the COVID crisis shows us why we shouldn't let everything be manufactured on the other side of the world. In addition while I'm happy that China is making great progress on it's green targets, over-dependency on a country that will not step up and tell it's ally Russia to stop the ongoing invasion of a European country seems rather naive. The advantage to China of that implicit support is cheap fossil fuel.

@aniksamiurrahman6365

16 күн бұрын

Its NATO who barred Russia from deplomacy and pushed them to war. Why ud Russia just sit around and accept gung ho Russophobic policies of Ukraine and its rapid NATO led militarization? It's the west who began the war. And its the west who want to be independent? Sounds like the rapist want his virginity back.

@davidlazarus67

16 күн бұрын

Most of the supply chain problems were not in China. There were huge queues of ships outside US ports waiting to enter, then problems transporting the containers within the country because of domestic regulations. China has a few lockdowns that were quickly lifted when the local infection rates dropped. It was usually within a month and not all areas were impacted. Rail shipments to Asia and Europe were not impacted at all.

Very good video, thank you.

Brilliant as always. Thanks Dave.