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@craytherlaygaming2852

3 жыл бұрын

I actually find Owen's headshot of Jack Harkness quite well done, not because it's emotional but because it shows that final string snapping and I find that the reactions even Gwen's realistic. I mean they are all on a thin line an edge and none of them are thinking straight so Gwen while she knows Jack's immortal isn't thinking of it due to all the stress and the fact her husband just died. Anything can happen in that moment so she doesn't think about the fact Jack's immortal It's a good way to show just how stressful the moment is for them.

@douglasparkinson4123

3 жыл бұрын

wait? you pronounce it wholms not holmes?

@henryg4377

3 жыл бұрын

BUT IT'S NOT A PANDEMIC! IT'S ALL LIES BY BILL GATES! YOU JUST DON'T KNOW THAT, BECAUSE YOU ARE STUPID! AND DEFINITELY PART OF THE 77TH BRIGADE!

@mattthesilent777RED

Жыл бұрын

No one really cares about Squarespace

I disagree on the gravity of Jack's death when Owen shoots him. We know Jack is immortal but I don't think Owen did at the time. I could be wrong but I don't think he was aware of it at that point. It's that, that gives the scene gravity. Owen thought he had killed Jack for good. That's a huge character moment.

@hanaasbananas1780

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah at that point the only person on the team who knew was Gwen. Even in the first episode Suzie was shocked when Jack got up after she'd shot him point blank in the head lol

@EmpireGamingWynter

3 жыл бұрын

@@hanaasbananas1780 I thought so, thanks for clarifying 😊

@ladrok97

3 жыл бұрын

They knew that Jack was very "durable" because has hold Cyberwoman for so long (episode 4, I guess) BUT, he didin't know that shooting brain is NOT ENOUGH

@irrevenant3

3 жыл бұрын

I'd also add that it has weight *because* it reveals Jack's massive secret to the team.

@andyw386

2 жыл бұрын

You're right, it's a big moment because they didn't yet know he doesn't stay dead. But, even if they did know that, it would still be a big moment. Shooting someone, even if you know they don't stay dead is still very harsh, they still feel that pain, and it's not something you can just easily do. It shows a total rejection of Jack and shows just how far Owen will go to stop him.

What if instead of a big cgi nonsense, Abbadon possessed Biliss. He could go on a rampage still and be projecting shadows to steal life, same as Abbadon but with more connection to what's already there. The battle at the end could have actual dialogue between Jack and Biliss rather than screaming and cgi

@sophiejones7727

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that could have been really good too.

@nerdgasm.online18

3 жыл бұрын

I feel like in 2006 that would have been seen as a cheap cop-out because they didn't think they could pull off a big CGI monster! 😅 Tastes change I suppose, and this was made for people watching BBC Three 15 years ago

@CashelOConnolly

3 жыл бұрын

Poor Murray Melvin that would have killed the old queen.He’s still going at the age of 89😂🏳️‍🌈❤️

Bilis was such an intresting villain with so much potential, I wish we got to see more of him.

@EditedAF987

3 жыл бұрын

Thankfully Big Finish have done a few stories with him which were all really great, sadly none of them even give us a hint at who or what he is which is a bit frustrating

@HandofOmega

3 жыл бұрын

Did we ever learn anything about the "very strange man" who was apparently a Torchwood office all by himself??

@EditedAF987

3 жыл бұрын

@@HandofOmega we did actually. His name was Archie and he ran Torchwood two from the Torchwood house in Aberdeenshire (the same house from Tooth and claw). Torchwood two was arguably Torchwood’s largest archive before it’s shutdown, having gathered various artefacts and objects from across all of the Torchwood branches.

@HandofOmega

3 жыл бұрын

@@EditedAF987 cool, good to know! But what was it about him that made him so "strange"? (That always struck in my head, especially coming from Jack of all people!)

@EditedAF987

3 жыл бұрын

@@HandofOmega well back in 1899, he was attacked by some kind of life force draining creature that aged him dramatically. He recovered, but his appearance stayed the same and he never aged after that. So by the time of Torchwood series 1 he’s something like a 100 years old.

My biggest problem with abbadon, is how disconnected he is from his origins. Abbadon is a mindless beast, but his father- satan from doctor who, also had a mind- only it was removed from the body. Calling abbadon satan's son was just not completely thought through.

@EmpireGamingWynter

3 жыл бұрын

That's providing you believe the beast in that doctor who episode is actually Satan... As in THAT Satan. I'm not convinced

@giladzxc17

3 жыл бұрын

@@EmpireGamingWynter no it isnt. Abaddon is referred to "son of the great beast from before time" in the episode. Personally though, i do believe its actually satan. And that episode from doctor who is one of my all time favourites.

@TomGallagherSuperboyBeyond

3 жыл бұрын

Know how to fix it? When they do that last confrontation in the random alley with the old dude. He should appear there, with writing all over his face. He's been Abbadon's consciousness the whole time. And when he gets defeated, so does the massive beast. This way it ties in with the origins much stronger, and also would require less shots of the horrible CG monstrocity. If it was me directing, you'd never even see its face. You'd just see a wide shot of cardiff, and you see the beasts legs, and there are many of them, its so massive, you can't see above that because he's so big his whole body from the waist upwards is literally above the cloudline. I'm talking so big he makes Godzilla look like the Pting.. Leaving most of its design to the imagination. Would make it feel a lot more Lovecraftian. Could even throw in a news cutaway where it says that the astronauts in the ISS made eye contact with it, and now they can't get in contact. Followed by an explosion onboard. Suggesting that they went mad and destroyed the station. That's what i'd have done anyway.

@burakardaaksoy6339

3 жыл бұрын

@@EmpireGamingWynter Beast is origin of every devil in religions. Not just Satan.

@EmpireGamingWynter

3 жыл бұрын

@@burakardaaksoy6339 yeah thats how I've always understood it. The devils of each religion aren't real, they're all based on the beast below

I always loved the theme of temptation and desperation running through this. They should have stuck with this as it adds to the religious subtext with the whole End Of Days thing. Billis knows what buttons to press. How to get under the skin of each member. He scares Gwen with the images of Rhys dying, He tempts Owen with a vision of Diane, Ianto with a vision of Lisa and Tosh with a vision of her mother. And instead of the giant CGI monster of the week they should have just kept Billis as the villain. He gets possessed or something or reveals he has more powers than we think. Have Billis be some God like entity. All he wants is chaos and destruction as a means of punishing people.

@alexmelling5261

3 жыл бұрын

Facts, Bilis was a great villian and his actor brought some real menace to him, throwing him out for a kaiju was a massive fumble

Fun fact: most modern doctors are trained to spot symptoms of Bubonic Plague. They wouldn’t need Owen to identify the disease

@josiahgreene6712

3 жыл бұрын

Wouldn’t the bubonic plague not be as effective as it was then. Due to human kind already dealing with it and modern medicine.

@CyborgCharlotte

3 жыл бұрын

@@josiahgreene6712 We have both a vaccine and treatments for it. We still get minor outbreaks in the world today, however these are quickly dealt with. The only threat is it potentially spreading too quickly inside the hospital and if it mutates....but this is specifically the strain from the Black Death incident, or as I call it “Whoops, half of Europe just died”. We know exactly what to do with that

@aionicthunder

3 жыл бұрын

@@CyborgCharlotte Yeah, the real threat of people travelling into the future is them getting killed by modern pathogens, but then that whole idea breaks basically the entirety of Doctor Who, so it’s just a bit annoying because I can’t avoid thinking about that fact here

@josiahgreene6712

3 жыл бұрын

@@CyborgCharlotte I figured. I remeber doing research into the black death and I hazily remember that it wasn't that big of a deal. Especially if it's the strain from 1800. It would be a bit outdated.

@SockDrawerDemon

3 жыл бұрын

@@josiahgreene6712 Well, there were strains back then that have died out (because they killed every one that got them) that we would be no more immune to than our ancestors, but antibiotics are plentiful and widely well tolerated

Burn Gorman is such an amazing actor.

@watsername

3 жыл бұрын

This! He should be up there with David tennant tbh. He's so underrated.

@tomnorton4277

2 жыл бұрын

He's a better version of Joseph Gordon Levit. Seriously, when I first watched The Dark Knight Rises, I legitimately thought they were the same actor because they look so similar.

Kind of of weird that Chibnall has written four different finales for the Whoniverse, and only one of them has managed to stick the landing

Jack's comment to Gwen at 15:23 is savage af, and completely true.

They could have just knocked Jack out instead of shooting him; that would have given them the time to open the rift and they wouldn't know about his immortality either. There would also be more a feeling of loss from Tosh, Owen and Ianto when Jack deals with the Abbadon, as they think he gave up his life, while Gwen knows otherwise. Also yes, having a two parter where the second half is dealing with the Abbadon threat and the ramifications on Cardiff would have been a lot better (like with The Last of the Time Lords dealing with the ravaged Earth from the Toclafane after the setup in The Sound of Drums). I think Chibnall's problem is he's good at doing the build up, but once the main threat is there he doesn't know how to deal with it, so he ends it very quickly, not long after it's started.

Did not Matt Smith do the same thing in the rings of akhatan serving himself up as an all you could eat buffet ?

@jessica23claire

3 жыл бұрын

yep!

So a human who time travels w/o a time machine seems completely overlooked. Not even Time Lords can do that.

@sophiejones7727

3 жыл бұрын

“human” His name is a play on Iblis, the chief of the Djinni in Muslim folklore. He’s not human.

@PathsUnwritten

3 жыл бұрын

@@sophiejones7727 Nothing in the show itself suggested that. Gwen's name stems from Welsh meaning blessed or holy, which she is not. Rose was indeed a human and not a thorny red flower. Unless you have something more than a name word association ... ?

@EditedAF987

3 жыл бұрын

Even so, I’m not sure if Bilis really is human. He gives off more eternal vibes, like Zelin or the Toymaker. Wish we’d get at least more hints at who or what he is as his appearances in the expanded media have kept him just as vague and told us nothing.

@Chiggins_

3 жыл бұрын

Terror Of The Autons be like 👀

@mpg272727

3 жыл бұрын

@@EditedAF987 I would imagine he was some kind of eternal being who was promised his freedom for releasing abadon or some shit

Abaddon was awesome...considering it's a BBC TV budget CG creature from 2006.

@kjo1849

3 жыл бұрын

Just no it wasnt even for the time it looked shit.

@nerdgasm.online18

3 жыл бұрын

I didn't watch all of season 1 of Torchwood but I remember this run of 2-3 episodes at the end of the first series being pretty good. And Abaddon, for the time, was impressive as I recall. We were still so amazed to have any Doctor Who content at all, not the jaded moaners we are today, and most of us were still watching on BBC Three in standard definition. There just wasn't any homegrown sci-fi on TV anywhere near this standard, never mind on BBC Three! Most of the complaints at the time were about the adult tone, or it not feeling like 'real' Doctor Who, etc. I do wish all the questions this story threw up were actually addressed at some point (like who IS Bilis?!), instead of left to dangle in the wind and be forgotten

@jamesduffy7549

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah but I dont get *why* they had to use CGI. Torchwood's practical effects are good they could have just used models and a practical abbadon

I liked how gwen being sure there's something torchwood can do to bring back rhys is similar to in amy's choice when rory dies and may says if you can't bring him back then what is the point of you. top notch

Even though Torchwood was full of flaws, it kept people mostly engaged through serialized character development and phenomenal acting. And I guess, I just don’t understand why his Doctor Who doesn’t at least have that?

@HoloFizz

3 жыл бұрын

It's a shame really. That's the thing that I loved about doctor who, and I could be content with the latest seasons if it at least had that. But it fails with that too...

While jack was with the doctor and Martha. The master sent of jack’s torch wood team on a goose chase to find him.

@nytesla_punk3327

3 жыл бұрын

They went to Tibet for 2 weeks before The Year That Never Was.

@thomasjohnson8391

2 жыл бұрын

@@nytesla_punk3327 they were probably fighting the great intelligence or the ice warriors or the yeti

I remember when this first aired I had though Bilis was this entity trapped within the rift who wanted to experience life outside of it. He got to to an extent but as he said "I can see the whole of history but I don't belong anywhere within it". I had imagined this entity that just wanted to belong and live and experience life and had sussed out a way to properly manifest in our plain of existence by manipulating Torchwood. Then Abbadon appeared and I was thrown through a loop. Big demon thing attacking Cardiff? Okay? My dad pretty much signed off from this show after this. I was just confused.

I honestly really enjoy this episode even the ending, but hate what chibnall has done to new who.

@SaintoftheHonest

3 жыл бұрын

This episode didn’t undo 95% of established Who lore and trivialise previous events.

@themomentposters

3 жыл бұрын

@@SaintoftheHonest haha - with you here 100%!

@baconwithmoreeggs7938

3 жыл бұрын

I agree, it’s like chibnall lost any skill as a writer between then and now

@Yelamar1

3 жыл бұрын

@dr103 the timlesschildren

15:25 Jack is fully right there. Gwens overacting 'fuck you!' Is hilarious

@astra3310

2 жыл бұрын

Not to mention Gwen never told Rhys about her affair. And no drugging him with Retcon so he forgets instantly doesn’t count.

Russell said the reason the Doctor would never appear/never appeared in Torchwood was because he was worried it would attract children to try and watch it. So on a related topic, when's the grand SJA review series starting? :P

A part of me wishes I had been old enough to watch this when it aired because I can't imagine the excitement hearing the TARDIS at the end would have created. Buuut I was eight/nine (depending on when in the year the series aired) and there was no way in hell my Dad was going to let me watch it 😂

@antsmoveaway2087

3 жыл бұрын

ahaha, that brings back some memories for me - my dad was pretty tech-savvy in 2006/7, and because I was so doctor who crazed at the time (as most kids were), but still very young, he made an edited version of the show that had no 'mature elements' (which boiled down to anything gory or sexual being removed, my family were A-OK with swear words on tv). It was a nice effort, but boy, did those episodes not make any kind of sense after my dad went to work with his copy of windows movie maker 😂

@spinba11

3 жыл бұрын

How long was day one? About 5 minutes 😂😂😂😂😂

@cipherhex

3 жыл бұрын

I was about the same age, and remember being allowed to VHS tape 'Day One' because it was just "that Doctor Who thing". Then after watching it on my own that week, I distinctly remember the feeling of having to hide such a piece of contraband!

I doubt that he heard the Tardis for the first time in 100 years. He just had to wait for a doctor that knew him

@JOCoStudio1

3 жыл бұрын

I mean, that still doesn't quite add up. The Doctor's been across the 20th century many times since leaving Jack, even in series 2 and 3 alone. You'd think he'd try a little harder to seek him out than just waiting in Cardiff for over 100 years.

@erinella

3 жыл бұрын

Or that he hadn't encountered yet. I can imagine him lurking nearby in 2005 when they first visit Cardiff just to get to hear the TARDIS and possibly see Rose and the Doctor again.

@stephjovi

3 жыл бұрын

@@JOCoStudio1 the doctor likes to experience a little bit of linear time I guess and stays on present day earth in a linear fashion. So between the time Jack arrived on earth and the time he followed him to the end of the universe he would met 1 to 9. He always said he saw the doctor but had to wait for the correct incarnation. Since he was in Cardiff and the Doctor was mostly in London he didn't run into him before. He'd have to be at the right time at the right place to run into him. I assume he was busy on Christmas and didn't assume that, maybe if there's an invasion the doctor won't be far 😉. Or the doctor just left quicker at previous attempts 😜

@stephjovi

3 жыл бұрын

@@erinella yes it's likely that he was spying on them. Avoiding running into his mortel past

Honestly of all of Chibnalls mistakes End Of Days is a win for me,I've always wanted a huge scale monster in the whoniverse and Abaddon is just that

@cameronmonaghan6883

3 жыл бұрын

Why couldn't the Skarasen be brought back in Zygon stories? Or have three Drashigs swarm across the UK, requiring the combined skill of Torchwood, The Bannerman Road Gang and Coal Hill Defenders to deal with them.

i love the set up to season 1 finale but i just hate how it ends

Oh I just realised that Chibnall inserted Joe Miller as a medic from Broadchurch hahaha

If Owen hadn't opened the rift and Jack had to live through the 1940s again, would he have met the Doctor and Rose again or would it be a different timeline because he obviously didn't meet the real Capt Jack the first time? If he didn't meet the Doctor and Rose if he had been left in this timeline, he shouldn't be immortal... Time travel gives me a headache!

@Ugramosch

3 жыл бұрын

One of the major problems encountered in time travel is not that of accidentally becoming your own father or mother. There is no problem involved in becoming your own father or mother that a broadminded and well-adjusted family can't cope with. There is also no problem about changing the course of history- the course of history does not change because it all fits together like a jigsaw. All the important changes have happened before the things they were supposed to change and it all sorts itself out in the end. The major problem is quite simply one of grammar, and the main work to consult in this matter is Dr Dan Streetmentioner's Time Traveller's Handbook of 1001 Tense Formations. It will tell you for instance how to describe something that was about to happen to you in the past before you avoided it by time-jumping forward two days in order to avoid it. The event will be described differently according to whether you are talking about it from the standpoint of your own natural time, from a time in the further future, or a time in the further past and is further complicated by the possibility of conducting conversations whilst you are actually travelling from one time to another with the intention of becoming your own father or mother. Most readers get as far as the Future Semi-Conditionally Modified Subinverted Plagal Past Subjunctive Intentional before giving up: and in fact in later editions of the book all the pages beyond this point have been left blank to save on printing costs. Note: The term "Future Perfect" has been abandoned since it was discovered not to be.

@cathe8282

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ugramosch I love this to the nth degree!

@Ugramosch

3 жыл бұрын

@@cathe8282 In many of the more relaxed civilizations on the Outer Eastern Rim of the Galaxy, the Hitchhiker's Guide has already supplanted the great Encyclopaedia Galactica as the standard repository of all knowledge and wisdom, for though it has many omissions and contains much that is apocryphal, or at least wildly inaccurate, it scores over the older, more pedestrian work in two important respects. First, it is slightly cheaper; and secondly it has the words DON'T PANIC inscribed in large friendly letters on its cover. Credit goes to the great Douglas Adams, the One who taught us how important it is to remember where your towel is.

Abadon is literally the same animation model as the beast from the satan pit but grey and with a new head, which is strange because if he were the beast's son then surely he should look younger and if so why can't the beast feast like that?

I mean if anything Abadon should have been some incomprehensible lovecraftian abomination that looking at caused madness which makes it just that much harder to escape it's shadow

@IndiBrony

3 жыл бұрын

I don't disagree. Had Abbadon himself been made smaller, and all shots of him been from first person (so we don't get to actually see him, just the reactions of people catching his gaze), followed by them falling under his shadow, it could have allowed people's imaginations to fill in the blanks which would have been more effective than terrible CGI monster.

@craytherlaygaming2852

3 жыл бұрын

@@IndiBrony Yeah, and it plays on that *fear of the unknown* sorta deal, and heck HP lovecraftian monsters do exist in the Whoniverse The Great Intelligence for example? was originally one of them forget which one tho

@SockDrawerDemon

3 жыл бұрын

@@craytherlaygaming2852 That is so incredibly sweet. What was rewatching like?

@craytherlaygaming2852

3 жыл бұрын

@@SockDrawerDemon huh? i may need you to clarify whats, sweet and what 'rewatch' are you referring to

@SockDrawerDemon

3 жыл бұрын

@@craytherlaygaming2852 watching the show again with the naughty bits in

Chibnall can build tension with an arbitrary ticking clock. He can't do character, or plot, or even dialogue. He can give us amazing moments, which add up to nothing. He can set up an arc, but can't resolve it. He can throw aroung big ideas, but can't give them any weight.

@dylannoneyabiz2426

3 жыл бұрын

yesss, this was my exact feeling about the ghost monument, (Jodie Whittaker's 2nd episode if i got the name wrong) the build up was so good, there were so many cool themes dropped about the world building- why are they doing this race? How bad is the world outside? etc.etc., and then it just... ended. with nothing and it was like... what was all that build up for? The two characters themselves were eh, but yh

@Deathlygunn

3 жыл бұрын

Thing is though, in Torchwood Series 2 and Broadchurch Chibnall was able to deliver character, plot, dialogue, and pay off a series arc, and yet somehow with Doctor Who he's just delivering poor script after poor script.

@StefanTravis

3 жыл бұрын

@@Deathlygunn Then it looks like he _can_ deliver these things, only when working with - or under - others. On his own, we get the preposterous Cyberwoman, and the incoherent End of Days. I admit I haven't seen Broadchurch, so can't comment.

@Alia-bc3rc

3 жыл бұрын

Well in Torchwood he sort of can write characters. Owen, Lizzie, Jack, and Tosh are great characters. There are some inconsistencies and some shite stories, but their characterisation are almost always strong. At the very least, they _do_ have personalities. ...And then we got the "fam". Never mind the Timeless Child, the companions are the worst thing I ever seen written. It's blander than watching a white paint dries in a wall.

@jackjordan5833

3 жыл бұрын

This sums up Chibnall perfectly, this is exactly what I think of him you have articulated better than anyone, all his flaws.

The episodes Chibs wrote for Torchwood Series 1 were almost complete garbage. Series 2 were better. Some of them were actually really good. But, once he took over DW, I started to realize he only does well (with sci-fi at least) when someone else is writing the longer, more complex storylines.

I disagree on the jack death points. To be honest the character moment of Owen shooting jack isn’t really diminished by our or gwens knowledge because Owen doesn’t know, that’s the important bit. It’s still an equally impactful choice, and the sheer shock of him coming back for Owen is just as well done. And conversely him dying after ababadon is just as good a twist because they really hammer home how incapacitated he is. Yes the team knows he can resurrect but it seems clear to them (given they now know the time frame it takes) that he isn’t coming back. Gwens watched him die and return multiple times in seconds or minutes, but this was days and days

I mean, and maybe I'm remembering wrong, but isn't it explained in the episode that abaddon wants jack because jack doesn't die, and he want to feed off his life force forever or something?

*insert obligatory joke about the Series 12 finale here* Also beautiful thumbnail. #TeamRomanaI

The worst part is that abbadon is literally defeated three minutes after he´s first shown onscreen.

I can't take the name Abbadon seriously anymore, I just immediately picture an 'armless failure who fails 1 thing at least 13 times and flips the monopoly board when he doesn't get his way.

@jeremysmith9291

3 жыл бұрын

I picture an unkillable redhead who was cut into a bunch of pieces and each of them were buried separately.

@TheSmart-CasualGamer

3 жыл бұрын

Screaming at the Undivided mess he commands and somehow succeeding at stopping the World Eaters and Emperor's Children murdering eachother.

@scotcheggable

3 жыл бұрын

I think of the fact that the beast in doctor who refers to himself as Abaddon and I wonder why chinball hates doctor who so much

@KyrieFortune

3 жыл бұрын

Wrong, he makes it look like he failed 1 thing 13 times. In reality, he succeeded at 1 thing that took 13 steps. You really think someone who's tried to please Tzeentch would do something simple and not stupidly convoluted for the sake of it being convoluted?

@JR-pf9in

3 жыл бұрын

@@jeremysmith9291 Nice 👌

They should have made Abaddon a cloud-entity hovering around Cardiff. It would be a lot scarier.

Well there was a way they could have gotten back if they had just gone to 1940s torchwood hub and asked them to put them selfs in Krio freeze

the plague is still a disease that people catch and die from in 2021, it's not smallpox. It's a rare disease nowadays, but it's not a thing of the past either.

This is what I really don't understand, Torchwood has its low points but it's many high points are brilliant television, there's some amazing storytelling... So why? Why can't he wrote good 'Who'? It's like Chibnall died and has a Slitheen using his body and writing Doctor who. I wish so much that I could like the last 2 seasons but there's really only a few good moments, the majority of it falls flat then travels back in time to watch itself fall flat, I really hope that next season is better, we all know he's capable of making a good show so all we can do is HOPE I Love your videos by the way, thank you for doing these video essays

That transition to the sponsor was SEAMLESS

He did write Countrycide though, which is my favourite Torchwood episode

It was Abaddon all along! I agree about how a series to end. That's why it gets me so annoyed when Miracle Day, Class, The Tripods amoung other sci fi end on a cliffhanger with no sense of closure

Lmao this review voiced what i was thinking ab the episode XD

Imagine if the Doctor had showed up a little bit early. He opens the front door of the TARDIS and immediately sees this giant demon stumping England.

Chibnal has the same problem as a lot of Marvel movies do with his endings. He tacks on some pointlessly epic generic thing for the characters to fight, in a rushed scene at the end, so it feels like there was a really exciting buildup and grand world changing conclusion to the story. When there actually wasn't.

"Turn on the tv" "what channel" "it doesn't matter" Me: turns on skinemax "Nice"

always had a soft spot for this ep as it was the first I ever watched (I was too young to be allowed to watch torchwood and had to sneak past my bedtime to see it lol)

I think the finale would have been greatly improved if it had been revealed that Bilis is was an incarnation of the Doctors first time lord enemy the Monk and would have really had been in canon for his character as the Monk had made a pact with the Chronovore Artemis to create a Silurian ruled earth in the who book from the 90's Blood Heat. Bilis definitely loved some meddling.

I love End of Days, and I don't have an issue with the Abbadon. I think the CGI is hugely impressive.

I don't think you're far off with the idea that it wasn't hinted at properly and was built up for Billis not Abaddon. I personally loved the concept that him being a "fixed point in time" being a more powerful thing than a "before the universe" god. I think it needed more build up not a bad idea, just a badly executed one.

Cant wait for your series 2 reviews. Especially Chibnalls work

We're actually supposed to call it "the service" now. Official vocab guidelines state that "force" is too aggressive.

@DriverHenryWho3245

2 жыл бұрын

Beluga pfp

I thought this was a decent episode of Torchwood. I hated the villain but loved the episode

I watched this episode for the first time today. Was very baffled with how everything kinda resets at the end? Weird

I've been pronouncing your name wrong all this time, I thought the W was silent.

"he blames someone else" maybe because it was literally owen's fault????

Children of Earth review??

I felt Reece should’ve died in the episode and there to be more of a consequence for what happened from opening the rift also I disagree with u, CJH was in the right sort of a Toshiko is less important then the world

Death dinodemon looks a lot like a Deathclaw, lower poly cg and all.

If the CGI Monster was some death like Mist with a monster face would that work better?

@ibtunesoriginals2629

3 жыл бұрын

No

when i watched it i had know idea what was happing

So...Bilis (done by the brilliant Murray Melvin) is Leland Gaunt?

Me and my husband watched and his response to Abadon was "..thats a yugioh monster"

Having watched the show after not watching the last episode giving missing it then going back a year ago to watch all the episodes I cant say it was lack luster but what came before and after im glad it wasnt the last episode and made it something worth watching knowing that there would be more at the time not knowing that I would of felt lost altho I loved the idea of the black death coming back and all the things from history that we forget or feel would be ok now but drop it in now adays its a differant story time bleeding in to now is a great idea and Im glad it was added saved the episode

I did like the design of Abaddon to be honest

@ladrok97

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah But I agree that stakes were put too low. Design was close enough to "Satan pit" (or how this DW episode was called), to bring some chill, but... It seems like for some reason people on the last point get idea "hey, we need antagonist and it can't be this old guy".

Didn't Chibbers also do the series 2 Finale? That was a good one.

@astra3310

2 жыл бұрын

The Children of Earth ending was good too.

sorry but seeing your name gets to me, i'm now going to be constantly switching it around with William Harvey in my head. Nope I must think of you only as Harbo!

With the exception of a few episodes, like the sexy cyberwoman, I honestly think Torchwood is up there with something like Fringe or Warehouse 13 A solid show that doesn't get enough attention

Thank you for more doctor who content

16:08 i think it's fine because owen doesn't know so it still means the same thing to him

Burn Gorman was the start of Torchwood Series 1 imo.

Harbo I'm interested to know mate, if they had better CGI for the ending would it have lifted it to a decent episode? Or do you think the story itself means the ending is too poor to redeem?

I don't even remember series 1, 2. It's 3 and 4 that I actually liked.

Gwens acting was amazing

Gotta admit I love this episode 👌

For all the so called hate he gets, Chibnall still played a few things safe. He took an actress he had already worked with in Broadchurch and when choosing to bring back a Doctor Who character from the past he chose one he had already written for in the past. And I still think those were wise decisions.

What?!? Chibnall ruining something??? NEVER!!!

The real question is which is worse. Season 1 or Miracle day?

@HoloFizz

3 жыл бұрын

Currently watching through miracle day and I can say: Miracle day sucks! Feels like a parody of itself. It's not even torchwood, it's some other random scifi show that just happens to have captain jack and gwen in it that they slapped the name torchwood on for views. The season itself from where I've gotten to has been a gradual but consistent downer for me. Everything that happens is negative and oppressive feeling without any of those fun happy moments with character development. Me and my sister binged 2-3 episodes a day for the previous seasons, but throughout this one we could only get through one at a time, and slowly we've been putting it off and skipping out days. I at least like season ones finale, even with it's flaws and crappy villain. This though... There's nothing likeable about this.

@harrybate3620

3 жыл бұрын

@@HoloFizz The villain was so dumb. I feel Torchwood despite bad episode always had great villains (Apart from Cyberwomen and sex gas) but Miracle day was dumb and made no sense. The big reveal after hours of waiting was rocks, Jacks blood and an invisible field. Yeah you're really matching the 456 in terms of quality there guys

I'm hoping the BBC brings us another season one day.

For those who want to see another side of Bilis, read the TW novel Twilight Streets. Best of the TW novels IMHO.

Chibnall ruining a finale? What a twist

13:20 Gwen's first reaction to Reese's death was most definitely Not "overacted" and "made up for" with a stereotypical performance later, as anyone who's experienced this irl can attest to and Harbo will painfully discover at some point in his life, people's reactions to a close death can be extreme in many ways, so this was one of the few realistic portrayals of that on the screen and as such really deserves credit and not criticism, simply because it doesn't look like other fictional examples.

Could probably edit it to smokey demon lol

the weight watchers joke was fcking hilarious tho

I remember watching this episode when it first aired... I missed most of Torchwood to be honest, and I never liked abadon! Looking back, Jack battling Abadon - Dumb though it is had so much potential even with Jacks Immortality - Had they committed and had Jacks Body SUFFER!!!! Jack may be immortal... Or as near as can be immortal - So why not as his body is being drained of life have him showing signs of AGE AND PAIN... So that when they bring his body back to Torchwood - His team have no idea if he can even come back from this... He has Withered, Abadon has DRAINED POTENTIALLY BILLIONS OF LIFETIMES from Jack... Then you can have a gradual "Restoration" It kind of shocks me that in Doctor Who we had the Doctor Aged into a Dwarven Wrionkled Animated Pop Figure... But Jack seems virtually unharmed by this supernatural threat! At least Physically... And we do know that at some point he WILL FACE SERIOUS PHYSICAL CHANGES as he becomes the Face of Boe! IT could have been a nice hint too that like The Doctor - Jack is NOT truly Immortal... He just does not know if and When he will ever die! His death is a fixed moment in time that he does not know... He knows it MUST HAPPEN, but when? How long coudl you live watching all that you care about DIE before begging for the sweet release of death yourself? It deepens Jack Harkness as a Character by showing that even he is weary of his own being... The Longevity of a life with seemingly no end is affeacting him mentally...

Billis reminds me of the gman

Wait real question, who had sex with the Beast?

Why isn't he doing the next doctor review?

Apart from Jack Idc Owen Harper was one of best characters

It looks like The Incredible Bulk

I love your videos

And Doctor Who

So I hate to point this out but I've watched Dr. Who since it came back in 2005, all Graphics are terrible in the shows, it doesn't matter they're just bad. A good for instance, Satan in the "Satan Pit" only Looked good because he was surrounded by Negative space, they made the perfect CGI monster when they realized how crappy it looked and decided to blanket it in Darkness so the only thing that could draw your eye were the deep red lines, and the horns. The BBC is very talented when it comes to good writing, each character is flushed out with a unique backstory and usually they get brought to life by the perfect actor kind of like Martha Jones. I've seen better CGI in Mortal Kombat annihilation. Story: Grade A. Graphics: Piss Poor and Hilarious.

Maybe the team was standing well back because Jack was waving his willy about. ;-D

@timrob12

3 жыл бұрын

Well, Eve Myles herself was apparantly flashing on set as well, so it's quite possible. ;-D

What? Chibnall used to know how to write multiple characters?

I never even knew this episode existed... Might be due to how bad the episode is that explains why.

Chibnall

rhys could get it

Chibnall ruins everything.