HOW BROKEN IS VINTAGE MTG? UB TINKER vs HOGAAK VINE- PLAY TO WIN GAMEPLAY

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This week Cam and Dylan are taking a short break from cEDH to play some Vintage decks!
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  • @shaunbarber2325
    @shaunbarber23252 ай бұрын

    Timewalk is basically a timewalk. Incredible

  • @SuperFlamingTomato
    @SuperFlamingTomato2 ай бұрын

    “You mean my worst nightmare - a four five” Is quite possibly the funniest thing to ever come from this channel.

  • @mustardmushroom4390
    @mustardmushroom43902 ай бұрын

    I like how it’s Tinker vs Hogaak and none of them saw play 😂 felt more like Bazaar vs Sheoldred

  • @DeathSpeach

    @DeathSpeach

    2 ай бұрын

    Hogaak showed up for one game

  • @bensteinhauser784
    @bensteinhauser7842 ай бұрын

    I like how Hogaak was supposed to be this goofy little commander card and then it snapped Modern over its knee.

  • @timothydalton2388

    @timothydalton2388

    2 ай бұрын

    hogaak was released in MH1, it was intended for modern they just didnt playtest as much as they needed to, i think they thought it would be a cool late game closer as opposed to just coming out turn 2 or so and winning

  • @castanus4343

    @castanus4343

    2 ай бұрын

    Hogaak was released for Modern. Idk what are you taking about xD😂

  • @bensteinhauser784

    @bensteinhauser784

    2 ай бұрын

    @@timothydalton2388 I know it was released in MH1, but I'm pretty sure it was designed for commander. Most of the pushed moderns cards for the set featured no cost to cast (FoN, FoV), cheap modal abilities (W6, archmage's, Kaya's Guile) or did something on etb (ice fang). Notably, Urza and Yawgmoth break the mold on this, but it's pretty clear that they were designed to be attractive in multiple formats.

  • @crawdaddy2004

    @crawdaddy2004

    2 ай бұрын

    @@castanus4343Released in MH1, yes. But like all MtG products nowadays, the target market is actually Commander players. Golos was released in a Standard-legal set. Did WotC only intend it for Constructed formats? Smothering Tithe was released in a Standard-legal set. Do you think it was intended for Standard? Garth One-Eye and Chatterfang were printed in MH2. Do you really think they were printed with Modern in mind?

  • @TheMattmatic

    @TheMattmatic

    2 ай бұрын

    @@castanus4343Hogaak was designed with commmander in mind. Just like Omnath, Locus of Creation, another plague of constructed formats (especially Standard)

  • @whereideasgotodie2267
    @whereideasgotodie22672 ай бұрын

    Those Rootwallas made more appearances than Hogaak did lol But great Vintage gameplay. Nice to see more formats and it's nice to have the regular play comments on your own plays. Hope to see more of these formats in the future

  • @IamActuallyLvL1

    @IamActuallyLvL1

    2 ай бұрын

    Not really a matchup where Hogaak shines tbf

  • @vfc_gucci_panda

    @vfc_gucci_panda

    2 ай бұрын

    @@IamActuallyLvL1saga gaming gamer spotted love da content ❤️

  • @foggyparadigm4416
    @foggyparadigm44162 ай бұрын

    I don't even play Vintage and these games were SICK. Immediately made me want to proxy a deck and try it out.

  • @StanleyKuo184

    @StanleyKuo184

    2 ай бұрын

    I proxied a few vintage decks for my brother and me to play. Trouble is he has zero interest in the format lol. At least I didn't spend much on those cards.

  • @6slade
    @6slade2 ай бұрын

    Seeing you guys play vintage is pretty sweet, and we did it, we got to see a time walk

  • @nickhaight2557
    @nickhaight25572 ай бұрын

    That closing song was majestic. Loved the gameplay. Would love to see some Canadian Highlander.

  • @Hellcreature36
    @Hellcreature362 ай бұрын

    Love seeing some vintage content! Little Bolas' Citadel tip for Cam at 8:25 - take a peek on top of the deck just in case there's a counterspell there.

  • @Googleflax
    @Googleflax2 ай бұрын

    I love how the Timewalk was effectively just a "2 mana draw 1" this game

  • @ljlk8583
    @ljlk85832 ай бұрын

    2:23 did Cam just untap his library?

  • @Flip4Crypt

    @Flip4Crypt

    2 ай бұрын

    That's vintage babeee

  • @alejandrotoro7725
    @alejandrotoro77252 ай бұрын

    Its funny how a lot of strategies in Vintage/legacy kind of mirror strategies in CEDH but not all of them. I cant think of a mirror to Jewel shops or Hogaak/bazar in CEDH. Also I love the content, keep up the awesome work!

  • @raymakerscalisthenics660

    @raymakerscalisthenics660

    2 ай бұрын

    I'd say the closest for hogaak would be old stickfingers, and for the storm would be k'rrik.

  • @cfelton2nd

    @cfelton2nd

    2 ай бұрын

    most CEDh combos originate from Vintage/legacy@@raymakerscalisthenics660

  • @ShadowWasntHere8433

    @ShadowWasntHere8433

    2 ай бұрын

    That cause the cards that make those decks arent commander legal

  • @filipefranca5866

    @filipefranca5866

    2 ай бұрын

    Well the singleton format kinda makes it hard to build a bazzar of bagda deck in commander. Or any other competitive vintage deck. Also imagine comander with time vault? Tassa's oracle would be childs play

  • @laytonjr6601

    @laytonjr6601

    2 ай бұрын

    A deck that can use bagdad effectively is terrible if you don't have bagdad, so in a 100 cards singleton format what are you gonna do?

  • @alenhasanic2339
    @alenhasanic23392 ай бұрын

    This is fucking amazing. cedh and vintage all in one channel!!!!!??????? Hell yeah!

  • @laneorlaine
    @laneorlaine2 ай бұрын

    Would love to see more 1v1 content in vintage, legacy and modern

  • @ObjectivelynOtOptimized
    @ObjectivelynOtOptimized2 ай бұрын

    found you guys from this vintage vid. Great stuff! the cEDH is cool but would also love to see more of this or maybe some canlander... :)

  • @music00soba
    @music00soba2 ай бұрын

    @10:55 you definitely cast the mbt there but you know that he has a deterministic win with access to vamp tutor in the graveyard and a senseis top in play so most players would just scoop to the yawg will

  • @ondrejbronec837
    @ondrejbronec8372 ай бұрын

    3:55 - getting a Dark ritual here would leave Cam with enough mana (use it to Yawgmoth’s will, replay the Lotus, mox and the ritual) to still drop the Citadel on T1.

  • @draytonyork4811
    @draytonyork48112 ай бұрын

    YESS, PLAY TO WIN 1V1

  • @TheLeprechaun159
    @TheLeprechaun1592 ай бұрын

    love the facecams during the game! cool to see different formats pop up on the channel

  • @Wesley-mt1sc
    @Wesley-mt1sc2 ай бұрын

    I actually really enjoyed this! Nice to see cards I don’t get to see that often in edh.

  • @IamActuallyLvL1
    @IamActuallyLvL12 ай бұрын

    Likely that in g3 where u get a sheoldred u had a lethal yawg will storm t1 kill

  • @IamActuallyLvL1

    @IamActuallyLvL1

    2 ай бұрын

    Mox mox lotus beseech beseech will mox mox lotus beseech tendrils

  • @IamActuallyLvL1

    @IamActuallyLvL1

    2 ай бұрын

    Additional answers to questions posed: Sideboarding I actually dont really like leyline at all vs hogaak. Its a deck that can operate outside the yard very well. from gaak side id bring in 4 fov 3 mbt 2 endurance. From beseech side im bringing in snuff out for ouphe, delgue, tab, sheo, portal, needle, dismember. The way i look at it the gaak either pressures fast with an above average hand or stops beseech with fov/ouphe/endurance. From the beseech side you are always super favored and u just dont want to die to an ouphe.

  • @IamActuallyLvL1

    @IamActuallyLvL1

    2 ай бұрын

    "Not ment to keep no bazaar hands" actually Hogaak and Cradlevine variants are really fun because u can keep non bazaar hands. Hands with Fov and early ouphes would be keeps in the matchup

  • @IamActuallyLvL1

    @IamActuallyLvL1

    2 ай бұрын

    Overall not bad! Thanks for the content hope to see more in the future

  • @matthewbell4897

    @matthewbell4897

    2 ай бұрын

    The vintage GOAT in the comments, love to see it

  • @MrPhantomPC
    @MrPhantomPC2 ай бұрын

    The way Richard Garfield intended.

  • @Rfariasds
    @Rfariasds2 ай бұрын

    That was fun!! Btw, at 16:00 you could pump the rootwalla using DRS for lethal

  • @dantelamonda8587
    @dantelamonda85872 ай бұрын

    I love vintage, I would love to see you guys to do vintage cube with viewers!!! My buddy has a proxied vintage cube and it’s so fun!

  • @VariableChange88
    @VariableChange882 ай бұрын

    I loved this!!! Do some more formats like legacy as well these are awesome little change of pace

  • @cinosaurus
    @cinosaurus2 ай бұрын

    Glued to the screen! This was such an awesome vid. Love how yall did the sideboard and had the cards out.

  • @nashtrall
    @nashtrall2 ай бұрын

    Lovely to see you try other formats ! Will you ever consider trying duel commander (with the banlist used at magiccon Chicago) ?

  • @BuleGamer96
    @BuleGamer962 ай бұрын

    I liked the video, this format is fast and funny, and something different too see. And its more funny watching you guys using cedh cards in a different scenario 😂

  • @jonathanmcgreevy6806
    @jonathanmcgreevy68062 ай бұрын

    Love the 1v1.gameplay 🙌 Hopefully see more of it in future

  • @nickobree5207
    @nickobree52072 ай бұрын

    love you guys playing different formats! sick

  • @GigaBoost
    @GigaBoost2 ай бұрын

    Great video! Love the post game commentary. You earned yourselves a subscriber 🎉

  • @jokersjacket3174
    @jokersjacket31742 ай бұрын

    Nice this was fun to watch!

  • @TheFirstJake
    @TheFirstJake2 ай бұрын

    I love the foray into some 60 card play. I can’t wait for more!

  • @SebasDXD
    @SebasDXD2 ай бұрын

    More 1v1 videos please, you two guys are too good and fun to watch play

  • @niklasbolz4267
    @niklasbolz42672 ай бұрын

    Nice episode. Pretty cool to see some vintage.

  • @Jundsac
    @Jundsac2 ай бұрын

    Awesome decks, a good showcase of power on a chill channel. I wonder if cEDH 1v1's would be good content?

  • @alexduea
    @alexdueaАй бұрын

    This was killer! I've been thinking about getting a proxy Vintage deck together

  • @xEddyTheGr8x
    @xEddyTheGr8x2 ай бұрын

    That episode was just pure joy to watch! Give me more high power 1v1 formats please!

  • @tomnorland6492
    @tomnorland64922 ай бұрын

    Great games! looking forward to more!

  • @aar7149
    @aar71492 ай бұрын

    you can also beesech into beesech if you have another artifact into tendrils if you need more storm

  • @RumpledNutskin
    @RumpledNutskin2 ай бұрын

    I love vintage so much! I play it regularly on mtgo, and would love to see one of you play Oath

  • @James-rf4mp
    @James-rf4mp2 ай бұрын

    I love that you are playing vintage. Incredible.

  • @jordancaldwell2208
    @jordancaldwell22082 ай бұрын

    I just built an entirely proxies Vintage Cube and drafted it with friends this weekend. SOOO much fun doing busted things or losing to busted cards. 10/10 would recommend.

  • @benso309
    @benso3092 ай бұрын

    Love this vintage plays.. more vintage thank you

  • @morof_r
    @morof_r2 ай бұрын

    Super nice video!

  • @Tehnameless1
    @Tehnameless12 ай бұрын

    Awesome match! The casted serum powder for sure mattered: could have kept the wasteland, waste the Academy I believe the official 5 game format is 2 main, (up to) 3 sideboard

  • @zstormw

    @zstormw

    2 ай бұрын

    That's how I've seen Playing with Power do their 1v1 games, and I've really enjoyed it. It gives a better chance for each deck to show off it's thing both pre-- and post-board

  • @TheAlmightyGoiter
    @TheAlmightyGoiter2 ай бұрын

    So sick to see some 1v1 games. You guys should try Canadian Highlander! It's great and I think you would like it.

  • @basvopheusden
    @basvopheusden2 ай бұрын

    In the first game where Cam played beseech, what was in his hand? I think I saw a yawgmoth's will which shuts off that line, but could you have gone for tinker into bolas citadel? Idk if it's enough, but you have a land drop left so that's nice 🙂

  • @BabelTriumphant
    @BabelTriumphant2 ай бұрын

    Some really kickass games

  • @realfunnydoge3434
    @realfunnydoge34342 ай бұрын

    would love to see this more

  • @FreddyJoan
    @FreddyJoanАй бұрын

    Is there any chance of a Duel Commander series like this guys?

  • @zacw8869
    @zacw88692 ай бұрын

    Love the vintage! Pleases my tiktok brain to see a new game every minute. Hope you guys play more stuff like this!

  • @Foede
    @Foede2 ай бұрын

    Yeah! 1vs1 content! letsgooooooo I would love to see more formats being played, specially stuff like legacy, vintage, or even two head giant, since Magic can be such a diverse game.

  • @kiraselby3790
    @kiraselby37902 ай бұрын

    I have to admit I'm a little confused by the Force of Vigors in the sideboard. Isn't that pretty much a mandatory 4-of maindeck in Gaak? It and ouphe are your only forms of interaction game 1.

  • @Lumautis
    @Lumautis2 ай бұрын

    I have never watched vintage but wow. Vintage is nuts when you have all moxen and lotus available

  • @salvation122
    @salvation1222 ай бұрын

    This might be the first time I've ever seen Tolarian Academy hit the board and not have its controller immediately break the game in half

  • @MomirViggwilv
    @MomirViggwilv2 ай бұрын

    What music was used for this video?

  • @marowakcity3727
    @marowakcity37272 ай бұрын

    I would love to see more vintage but next time maybe pit 2 blue decks against each other? I always love watching blue mirrors in eternal formats, the play patterns that come out of it are so interesting and it feels like absolute peak magic to me

  • @lincolnlawry9505
    @lincolnlawry95052 ай бұрын

    Are you guys prepping for the NY vintage tournament in June?

  • @cheeese1
    @cheeese12 ай бұрын

    This is what I wanna see the most just see the fast broken stuff is awsome

  • @mopanda81
    @mopanda81Ай бұрын

    time walk is legal but when you're machinegunning your hands at each other sometimes it's just a cantrip

  • @goldenarmour7975
    @goldenarmour79752 ай бұрын

    Gives me canadian highlander vibes. Would love to see that format next time.

  • @marcellosalis5063
    @marcellosalis50632 ай бұрын

    I believe a manifold is a 3d mesh with two sides and one border.

  • @someguy1251
    @someguy12512 ай бұрын

    Sick ass vid guys, loved that shit

  • @Gorbgorbenson
    @Gorbgorbenson2 ай бұрын

    Couldn't dethrite have activated to pump blazing rootwala for the kill game 5?

  • @Dikarika
    @Dikarika2 ай бұрын

    Hell yeah some 1v1. Can y'all try some canlander? I love singleton formats. 😅

  • @bensawmiller3005
    @bensawmiller30052 ай бұрын

    If you really think about it, time walk is basically a time walk

  • @autopsipath
    @autopsipath2 ай бұрын

    These games were fun but also demonstrated why the singleton vintage formats like auslander and canlander more fun to build and play.

  • @ComedIanMTG
    @ComedIanMTG2 ай бұрын

    This was honestly super sick to watch, Love seeing the crazy stuff I vintage. Wish it was as proxy-friendly as cEDH

  • @PlaytoWinMTG

    @PlaytoWinMTG

    2 ай бұрын

    most of the vintage players i have played with are pro proxy. vintage paved the way for proxies in cedh. they've been doing 10-20 proxies allowed in tournaments for years. Just gotta get them to fully commit to all proxy haha

  • @ComedIanMTG

    @ComedIanMTG

    2 ай бұрын

    @@PlaytoWinMTG oh cool! Maybe I'm working off of outdated info. I had heard the large events were still pretty unfriendly to them

  • @PlaytoWinMTG

    @PlaytoWinMTG

    2 ай бұрын

    I think it depends. I have always seen vintage tournaments allow 10-15 proxies, which before vintage I hadn't seen any formats allow. but perhaps for some of the BIG tournaments they are not allowed. I agree it is not as proxy friendly as cedh, but maybe that can change!

  • @catkingda2919
    @catkingda29192 ай бұрын

    I am pretty sure two moxes, lotus and Beseech is a turn one win(with or without Yawgmoth's Will in your hand). Beseech for Bessech float an extra mana sac the other mox cast dark ritual. Cast Yowgmoths's Will from hand leave one black mana in the pool. Lotus, mox, mox, dark ritual, beseech(from graveyard) for beseech for beseech for Tendrils of Agony. The storm is definitely enough to kill your opponent. If your opponent has a counter spell, the Sheoldred will be countered as well.

  • @michaelatbarnett
    @michaelatbarnett2 ай бұрын

    Vintage Magic? Appreciating seeing some powerful magic 1 v 1 when I don't often get to see it

  • @RaijQuit
    @RaijQuit2 ай бұрын

    Vintage is so wild and fun, love these games

  • @superyahoo1822
    @superyahoo18222 ай бұрын

    you could have used deathrite to produce red mana by exiling your bazaar in your graveyard and used it to pump blazing rootwalla for lethal

  • @DieSpielhoelle
    @DieSpielhoelle2 ай бұрын

    it speaks for Rarrans mental toughness for not showing signs of his PTSD for the second card. ;)

  • @music00soba
    @music00soba2 ай бұрын

    in game 3 if you beseech for tinker you can put a sphinx or citadel into play and just win on the spot no?

  • @H1V3M1ND1
    @H1V3M1ND12 ай бұрын

    Out of curiosity are these proxies or is the flex that unreal

  • @petereremeev
    @petereremeev2 ай бұрын

    4:04 you can grab tinker just as an option

  • @nicholasbower17
    @nicholasbower172 ай бұрын

    That Patreon coming in big, boys got power now 😮 (Ik proxies but dayng full time with benefits)

  • @jackpabich763
    @jackpabich7632 ай бұрын

    Do you guys own all of those cards or are some cards like the power 9 proxied? Regardless, super cool video!

  • @andrewpost91

    @andrewpost91

    2 ай бұрын

    The power 9 wasn’t printed in modern frames. These are most likely 100% proxy decks. They probably order a ton of proxies for all of their cedh decks Edit: I see that they’re 30th anniversary edition. My bet is still proxy

  • @vfc_gucci_panda

    @vfc_gucci_panda

    2 ай бұрын

    @@andrewpost91they prob own the duals and the cedh staples

  • @kinginthenorth1437

    @kinginthenorth1437

    2 ай бұрын

    In other videos they've mentioned that they print proxies as needed.

  • @nicklilium6523
    @nicklilium65232 ай бұрын

    As an ignorant about vintage I was expecting some "I kill you before you draw" tipe of game, actually pretty cool decks

  • @badfelix007
    @badfelix0072 ай бұрын

    Love vintage content

  • @1ntegrator
    @1ntegrator2 ай бұрын

    Why do you attack with Deathrite Shaman? It can drain for more damage than it can attack for. Might have made the difference in the last game.

  • @Clemsonalumnus
    @Clemsonalumnus2 ай бұрын

    More Vintage, please. Vintage is its own format and meta that’s constantly changing. You can legit play some wonky decks that go from jokes to meta crushing, like Food Chain Goblins, which has the advantage of being agro, hating artifacts heavily, and combining your win on T1 if not interfered with.

  • @lal_fotografo
    @lal_fotografo2 ай бұрын

    Mind trap was for the sensei divining top

  • @IamActuallyLvL1
    @IamActuallyLvL12 ай бұрын

    VINTAGE!

  • @yoguroutSTH
    @yoguroutSTH2 ай бұрын

    Might be wrong here but, in your last attack with the vine, the ouffe and the lizzard, couldnt you just +2+0 the lizzard exiling a land in a graveyard for a red mana?

  • @PlaytoWinMTG

    @PlaytoWinMTG

    2 ай бұрын

    YES good catch

  • @logansanchez7998
    @logansanchez79982 ай бұрын

    Yall should try canlander

  • @protojj117
    @protojj1172 ай бұрын

    out of curiosity, what cards where real in this vid?

  • @Dracomandriuthus
    @Dracomandriuthus2 ай бұрын

    Why didnt Cam have a sphinx of the steel wind in?

  • @IamActuallyLvL1

    @IamActuallyLvL1

    2 ай бұрын

    looks like there wasnt one in the list.

  • @jefftigers103
    @jefftigers1032 ай бұрын

    Crazy how Sheoldred pretty much beat a $45,000 vintage deck by itself. Still in standard btw

  • @Xreaperification
    @Xreaperification2 ай бұрын

    IT'S SUNDAY BOYS

  • @twi1ightknight
    @twi1ightknight2 ай бұрын

    I heard that a one mana draw three is pretty good

  • @DarthCinnabon
    @DarthCinnabon2 ай бұрын

    Never really noticed that we pronounce "manifold" as "manafold." They are incredibly similar if you arent saying it slowly

  • @DustRodg
    @DustRodg2 ай бұрын

    Manafold Key is a good eggcorn.

  • @johnmarcellino5034
    @johnmarcellino50342 ай бұрын

    please more vintage!!

  • @thiagoandrade6933
    @thiagoandrade69332 ай бұрын

    Do you guys proxied these decks or do you really have everything?

  • @FirelordSylar

    @FirelordSylar

    2 ай бұрын

    Im pretty positive they proxy a decent bit. I have vague memories of them talking about that b4

  • @thiagoandrade6933

    @thiagoandrade6933

    2 ай бұрын

    You gotta be real rich or lucky or old to have all of these cards.

  • @unwucht1529
    @unwucht15292 ай бұрын

    "How brocken is vintage?" "Yes!"

  • @ThePenitentSquirrel
    @ThePenitentSquirrel2 ай бұрын

    Vintage is the only format I would suggest mulliganing very aggressively as your hand needs to be able to do the thing the deck is designed to do by at least turn 3.

  • @jordancaldwell2208
    @jordancaldwell22082 ай бұрын

    Time Walk is basically Time Walk.

  • @Gaiametris
    @Gaiametris2 ай бұрын

    dont hold the mindbreak trap, top will draw a force on the way to cast tendrils.

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