What do you think of this lightweight hub-drive system from Mahle?

@emtbtrailrider539

Жыл бұрын

I want to see the new Levo SL pedal assist motor and hopefully its more than 35 nm of torque?

@gregorykulinski2186

9 ай бұрын

EGBN...

A big shout out to Mahle for giving us an inside scoop about their daily business in developing e-bike motors. It seems to me that Manuel has so much passion for his job. Well done man.

That was a fantastic tour What a cool bike. Great job.

@embn

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the great feedback Mike! Would you like to see this motor on MTB hardtails? We love that there is no faffing required when removing the rear wheel!

@mikestifler5287

Жыл бұрын

You bet I would I’m sold on the gravel bike too Dream big and ride 😊 You have a great job

It gives pause to look at a Hub-Drive motor a little differently now.

My x35 has performed flawless

Kudos for Mahle, really I've been ridding their X35 but in LevoSL ... and I am happy with it so far.

@nogonperson7357

10 ай бұрын

Hey is the x35 quiet?

@michalwiktorow2188

10 ай бұрын

@@nogonperson7357 For sure on Eco it is, on turbo it whines a bit, is it annoying hmm it depends - if there is no wind and you are in the forest - then it is noticeable and can be a bit bothering, otherwise (any other road sounds and especially wind) you will notice it but it will not be that bad.

I actually ride a Fazua 50 sistem and I have to say this Mahle X20 its amazing... Simple, reliable and light weight. Gorgeous

@vashon100

2 ай бұрын

System vs sistem

When I hear Mahle I think of pistons for 70's MX motorcycles.

Oh I would love to try out that 3T bike! Lools like a really cool concept to me! Finally hub drives get some potential 😃

Very impressive! Thanks Steve!!

@embn

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed the video, John! Thanks for the support on the channel!

Great video Steve, thanks!

Thanks, great insight to the system, I have the X35 which is great and good to know there is an upgrade for the future. App good for setting up, esp customizing the 3 settings (tend to use 50% green most of time). But app eats mobile phone power, however my cycle computer (most good ones do) syncs with the X35 giving battery, setting, mileage etc.

@embn

Жыл бұрын

Great to hear you liked the video Richard! What type of riding do you do?

@richardorr7512

Жыл бұрын

90% Road, rest off road or gravel, not sure difference, upgraded to gravel bike with x35 last year to get up hills North Yorkshire Moors, bike great for road, Lapierre e cross 5.2

Very informative. Thank you.

Great article Steve, you should ask Specialized if they will allow you to do the same, bet they wont.!! I had 3 motors in 2 half years on my Levo, got rid.!

@perspectivedetective2703

Жыл бұрын

im about to get a 4th SL1.1 motor in 15months.

wouldn't mind seeing an emtb with a mid-drive, and a small light-weight rear hub drive for a short boost or max effort. Or a 2 wheel drive hub motor bike, and see what kind of climbing or other difficult terrain you could tackle, on a fat tire bike setup.

@thewrx2600

Жыл бұрын

or just a hub-drive with a gearbox built in would too.

great incite, i did wonder if they weather & tempature tested these motors, as i have found that in freezing conditions plastic geared cogs engaged with metal geared teeth or cogs can crack or break, then due to constant turning get ground up then need replacing, so it's good to see that they are tested in every way.

@vashon100

2 ай бұрын

The vid showed temp tests

Would love to see this system in some hard tail mountain bikes. Doesn’t seem to be any out there though.

Amazing the testing of this unit 👌

The only reason I didn't go with Mahle was the fact that I already have quite a few wheels. Ended up with Fazua 50, which has its own quirks, but easy to convert gravel and road depending on time of the year and other conditions. I'm more curious about the new TQ motor and even Bosch possibly coming up with a lightweight system.

@kintorey1195

Жыл бұрын

Bosch SX :)

@bastogne315

Жыл бұрын

Bosch BS...reiteration of an existing motor.

Awsome

@embn

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! 🙌

All climate test without operation - make a difference for the sealing and moisture difference

I ride an Orbea Gain with an Mahle X35 system which adds about 4.4kg and features a 250 Wt-hr battery. It would be very helpful to compare these X20 with the X35 system. Also, Orbea is not currently offering any bikes with the X20 system. So, is this a brand new system from Mahle that is being introduced into the bike manufacture market?

How does the battery power get to the hub? Wires embedded in the carbon fiber frame?

The industry came really far to make us happy...

I sure hope they finish their phone app, I've built a few of these and was severely underwhelmed by the state of system integration coming from this brand of motor. Rides fine, but they really should have completed the app before even selling a single motor.

Unfortunately, I did not find any reference to the bike used in the test. Can you tell us about it ?

can you buy these as kits to retrofit?

My new Mahle X20 hub drive became faulty after 250 km. it is now back at the bike shop waiting for a response from Mahle.

@bastogne315

Жыл бұрын

Made in Mali

Could you put it on a 'normal' mountain bike, maybe a Cube Acid or a Cube Stereo?? Thanks

So, then Mahle or Fazua is, what is your opinion?

☝️😎🥳

And the torque was ..what??? I havet seen the movie, but Steve was just very keen on not mention that number🙄

That was just a nice way of saying its underpowered. They traded power for noise levels and longevity. The feature I was most interested in was the wireless motor making the wheel easy to remove

It would be nice, to see the Mahle motors more in trekking bikes. There are only the really cheap bikes, that come with hub motors, but allmost all the more expensive european manufactures have jumped on the Bosch-Mafia-Train, as these mid drive systems are more expensive and need more often to be maintanenced and making the customer into a cash cow that they can milk again and again and again. I have one of the cheap bikes to get around in Berlin, and I love these small hub motors. No need for a mid-drive as long as you don't live in a very hilly area. I prefer this over my mid drive bike, as it is so simple and a wear set lasts over 12.000km. So please, more hub motors!

@MaxL.

Жыл бұрын

You can take a look at Stevens or Desiknio (and I saw Urwahn using Mahle too). All are really high quality but also pretty expensive. Stevens and Urwahn are german manufacturers as well.

@Benjamin_Jehne

Жыл бұрын

@@MaxL. There is the thing, they’re just in very expensive niche products. Something like these easy motors should be in somethlinke the entry level Cube Touring bikes etc. at around 2500€.

I would not mind a small light powerful motor for pedal assistance... So far none of the ebikes I tried are 'pedal assistanted' more like power assistance...lots of power....do they have a pedal assistance level 0.5?!?

@Zetler

Жыл бұрын

What’s the point? You gotta carry that battery and motor, if it doesn’t give you enough assistance then you’re better off riding a normal bike.

The problem is how to change wheels (gravel/road) ..Also centerlock brakes are not possible to use. I prefer middrive systems but I hate 25 kph limiters. For now I use non electric gravel.

Didn't see any mid drives on their web site...

can't wait for a full fat US market one ... 45 kph 500w hardtail flat bar emtb ... light weight 120mm air fork and light weight suspension seat post

@bastogne315

Жыл бұрын

Merica guns n power ❤❤❤❤

@swish6143

9 ай бұрын

45 kph exist in Europe es well, just with insurance, from Riese& Müller SuperDelite HS or Stromer. But you can't make it lightweight because of the forces l or it will wear down fast.

Hub drive with no regen?? My Sachs IGH lasted about 10k km, but that included all transmission. This would still be my pick for e-bike.

@wackedoutdude

10 ай бұрын

You can't have regen on a geared motor. As when spun in reverse it won't apply rotation.

If it’s wireless how does the juice get to the motor?

@garyfogal586

Жыл бұрын

Power contacts can be seen at 12:43.

Manuel mentions Acoustic. Now what is acoustic? Erm it’s something that a Scottish farmer uses to control the cattle….😂 Erm excuse my West Cumbrian humour.

Nice but the price for the range extender is ridiculous!

What's the torque?

@aleksandrmurackovskij8481

10 ай бұрын

55...vs 40 with Mahle X35

Salut, petit partage d'experience J'ai acheté récemment un Mondraker Dusty RR neuf, problème moteur 61 dès la première sortie. 3 semaines chez le cycliste, en travail avec Mahle, différents tests/dossier photo/vérification. Après ces trois semaine, défaut connecteur mal placé, problème résolu d'après le banc d'essai. 1ère sortie test pour valider, même problème. Après 3 semaine, le vélo complet part en Espagne, donc pas prêt de le recevoir de sitôt. Mondraker, pas de téléphone de contact direct, tout se fait par mail en Espagne et par le revendeur. Mais se protège de tout litige avec le client final à priori.. Sav Mahle, très long et pas forcément compétent. Mon avis, si tu n'as aucun problème, c'est un super moteur, au moindre pépin, tu vas devoir être très patient, car ils sont pas réactifs et compétent à première vue.

Reliability supercedes noise. Ice seen so many plastic planetary gears fail horribly. Best are metal regardless of noise

@bastogne315

Жыл бұрын

Yep same sh it in my wing mirror motors.

Actually those sheep looked frightened😂

Wow hub moters are always down played for emtb .?.. note my old peek can outclimb my e7000 any day

german engineering, cool!

@aguagou

Жыл бұрын

De España, los Alemanes compráron la división de bicicletas, pero el sistema es Español.

Got the X35 on my gravel bike, not worth the weight penalty or lack of range stick with a full fat Emtb.

@anonymousone6075

Жыл бұрын

yea it's 3x less torque but doesn't weight 3x less than a full fat... why bother? just stick a full fat in eco and swap in a smaller battery... same thing but also the option to go big range or big torque. Being obsessed with weight is just an excuse for bike manufactures to try and charge more money... like a carbon MTB only weights 1.5kg less than aluminium.... so why bother? it's not road cycling where you need a feather light bike... just an excuse to try and charge a premium cos it's carbon... most people don't want carbon frames they all crack... just planned obsolescence

Rather just go full fat, 3x the torque but not 3x the weight

Mahle for Mali..

There’s zero information given, no torque and battery spec.

great effort for a 78 year old 😜

@embn

Жыл бұрын

Not bad, hey? 😉😂

Doesnt match Bosch or Posch...for performance

This guy is babbling like a nut job... 👋