What do you think of the new Fazua unit and these lightweight EMTBs? 🤔 Let the community know 👇

@finroddd

Жыл бұрын

I have to say I am really impressed! Mostly of that how well integrated and protected is the motor. But the battery seems a bit small. there are now 900Wh battery e-mtbs. I guess 60Nm from the motor is about right.

@uwe_bike

Жыл бұрын

The Fazua 60 is compromising a bit towards power. I'm happy with my Fazua 50. It is 19.7 kg electric, and 16.4 "pure".

@MTBs

Жыл бұрын

A very interesting addition to eMTB motors and more competition is always a good thing. Thought the Fazua 50 was a bit weak compared to other motors, I hope this feels more powerful/usable. Good video!!!

@tomulinek

Жыл бұрын

Interesting components design, lighter e-bikes. On the other hand, the range on the introduced battery is simply not enough for hilly countryside expeditions, even for normal multi-hour hill rides outside high mountains of around 50 km. Maybe for the trail spins? I would definitely again choose a full-power Bosch setup of the last generation with a proper battery, and I don't have to worry about not getting where I want to go. Even with the sacrifice of the high weight.

@jokermtb

Жыл бұрын

Can't help but think of a recent Sam Pilgrim video where he lamented wishing for a jump bike, that had a small lightweight battery/motor so he could do tailwhips and other stunts that require a lighter weight bike - and most importantly, so he could also ride back up to the top and do it all over again......Hey Fazua / Porsche - are you listening? I can definitely imagine Sam Pilgrim on a Porsche Jump Bike.......

I ride a Fazua 50 on a Trek e-caliber. 80% I ride it without motor like a normal mtb. I only take the motor & battery to help on longer, steeper, rougher trails. Still manage 40km and 1000m D+ with 70% of the 250Wh battery left! The philosophy of the Fazua 50 is to help you ride, not to replace your efforts like others motos. Following the arms race of bigger torque and battery will have them endup with a me-too product. I liked the idea that light emtb was for people who don't want to ride an electric motocycle in the woods but still enjoyed pedling with some assistance when needed.

I rode Fazua mounted on gravel bike from Leader Fox - first ride and I've fallen in love with this system. Light, innovative and smooth. Happy to see them being owned by Porsche so both brands will benefit for sure!

Thank you so much Steve and all of you behind the scene of EMBN for this channel, love your show, if you are coming to Iceland then drop me a line 😎

We at Bimotal have great respect for the excellent products coming from Fazua. That said we believe our own Elevate system gives anything in the SL category a run for its money. 6lbs total, 750Watts, 50Nm/100+Nm fully removable and can be switched between bikes in seconds.

Thanks, looks a beautiful product in a pristine production operation. Wish them every success.

Well done pivot well done indeed... that is super tight.

This is a game changer ebike set up, I have been waiting years for a hard tail semi skimmed ebike. The fazua shuttle SL is the mutts Nutts

I bought a Focus Raven2 with Fazua inside in 2018 and I just LOVE IT Till today! ❤

Thank you from Truckee California

@dennisboyd1712

Жыл бұрын

AMEN

I don't see impact testing on the axle. Are the bearings for the drive axle user replaceable?

I can't wait to get the Relay next year and really give that Fazua Ride 60 a good run through.

@smigielko

Жыл бұрын

I am waiting for the Kenevo SL 2023. If it will exist and have similar torque, then it will be my next bike. Otherwise I will order the Transition Relay Pacific Northwest.

It would be great if you could do a video on all the latest super light ebikes available now and soon to be released. I'm interested in the BH ilynx trail, thanks rory from nz

I think what is more interesting is that unannounced Pivot Shuttle SL you are showing!

Why doesn’t someone integrate a mid-drive motor with a transmission like the Pinion gearbox? The only choices seem to be derailleur or hub gears. Seems they could add this motor to a mid drive gear box as well. We love the Pinion gearbox and we love the Bosch mid drive. Put em together with a gates belt drive 🤓 Great video love shop tours! Arrivederci y’all

The grey hardtail at the end is the first I’ve seen that looks anything like an aggressive emtb hardtail how much for one of them!

Checking into a Bulls wild flow evo RS with the Fazua lightweight. Have you had the chance to review this bike yet?

For me Fazua had an advantage of being able to transform EMTB into MTB in seconds. How it looks alike in such case? We know, that the motor is not removable, but maybe they have something like a clutch or something, to detach the motor when a battery is not there? Or maybe this is fully integrated system without such possibility? Please elaborate on that a bit more!

Did EMBN just revile the new Pivot Shuttle SL?? Oops.

@embn

Жыл бұрын

👀👀👀 Ooops 😉

Very interesting great work Steve and was that a new Pivot SL? looks very nice

@brandihodges9548

Жыл бұрын

That's what I said! Even checked pivots website but no Shuttle SL.

@Djoblin

Жыл бұрын

Asked my local and may not have supposed to have been shown..... Woops.... Sexy sexy

@embn

Жыл бұрын

👀👀👀

Whats with that new pivot emtb in video? Cant find any news in google that pivot is realising new lightweight emtb, it’s like first look of it

Interested for sure, especially after seeing the Transition Relay was going to have it. Also, was that a sneak peak at the Pivot Shuttle SL?.

@stevebaur

Жыл бұрын

I love my Turbo Levo SL, but it's 35nm is lacking compared to my friend's 60nm Orbea Rise.

@e_mtb

Жыл бұрын

@@stevebaur Rumors say, Specialized will bring out a new "SL" with more power (60+nm), you should keep an eye on the market and thinking about selling it at the right time, if you're planning to upgrade

@Sethimus82

Жыл бұрын

@@e_mtb more like 50% more power, not in the 60nm region

@embn

Жыл бұрын

Might have been Steve... might. have. been. 😉

@paulbaguley62

Жыл бұрын

@@e_mtb Spesh have just dropped the price of their Levo Sl's by up to £1450 in the UK which suggests they are changing the design and upping the power soon.

Ooops Has some dropped a spoiler with the release of the pivot? 😅Not seen that anywhere else yet

@e_mtb

Жыл бұрын

Damn, it looks so good :D

@embn

Жыл бұрын

Nothing to see here 😅 😉

Great..when ready on market ??

Very interesting video Maybe they have moved away from the removable motor because, having bought an ebike, people tend not to do that. It was a solution for a problem that didn't really exist? So now they want to be the best of the lightweight and compact offerings - which I suspect will be a massive growth segment because it can be used in all sorts of bikes, including road & gravel. I like the max 60 NM sweet spot because it gives you that punch when you occasionally need it for most types of riding, however I don't think it's enough for many MTB riders? I don't really notice the weight of my Carbon Turbo Levo once I am riding it. I remember before getting it I had all sorts of plans for how I was going to shed some weight off it and then after the first ride I realised the weight was a zero issue. I can ride all day on the 700 battery if I use low levels but I have the massive punch for the very rare occasion I need (want) it. A few additional kgs is the price I pay for a bike that can do everything I need. Another problem with eMTB weight obsession is that you start to fit the lightest components which means - very expensive and/or not quite strong or durable enough. So in reality the lightweight EMTB market is limited to lightweight riders with deep pockets

@smigielko

Жыл бұрын

In all honesty, the perfect ebike is light and powerfull. Anything else is a compromise or sacrifice.

@wtfvids3472

Жыл бұрын

@@smigielko not everyone has those criteria. im willing to trade quite a lot of lightness for sturdiness...

their system seems pretty good , saw it at a trek store for the ecalibre. on my radar and seems better than brose.

Fazua are not new on the block btw - looked at a laPierrire Zesty in 2019 but was seduced by the power of levo and for our friends in road and Gravel Pinarello use them in in their Nytro and Boardman - as long you are not expecting a blow your socks off Fazua is a great option and has the party trick of no drag so take the battery out and its pedal yourself power - Fazua power is on my radar for my next road/gravel bike

love the lightweight but my giant trance x does 180km on eco mode and at least 40-60 on turbo mode, and i sometimes do use all of it in one ride, so if the range would be around 100km with a battery extension id be very interested

Thanks for the vídeo. I've been waiting for it for a long time If I can do 40km through the mountains on my FAZUA 50 with 252watts...(i dont abuses of assistance) imagine with 430w.

@ataksnajpera

Жыл бұрын

430W for 12 seconds dude only. That's a joke

Love it and this e-tech. Just wish the battery wasn’t located on the underbelly of the down tube where all the dirt and grime collects. If you reverse it then you essentially lose a water bottle location. I’d settle for side entry 😎

@vladivanov7645

Жыл бұрын

I thought the same or they can easily make a cover for that area.

@MotoMatt418

Жыл бұрын

@@vladivanov7645 That’s a good idea also

5:40 did i just hear a combined motor and gearbox?😳

I’m trying to get my head around a non removable drive unit. So what happens it it becomes faulty or needs replacement, you have to replace the entire frame?

@reubenbacon9156

Жыл бұрын

No it’s just the motor part of the unit isn’t able to separate from the gearbox part like in the old systems. The whole unit will slide out of the frame as one 👍🏻

@reubenbacon9156

Жыл бұрын

No it’s just the motor part of the unit isn’t able to separate from the gearbox part like in the old systems. The whole unit will slide out of the frame as one 👍🏻

@uwe_bike

Жыл бұрын

No, it will not slide out of the frame! It is fixed by screws ( so of course you can remove it). Only the battery will be easily removable.

Damn. If it comes at around 18 kilos for a SANE spec, I want one. I know that some companies already offer 17-18 kg e-bikes but at over 10K those are not “sane spec”, lets be honest. Would replace my 7k Turbo Levo in a heartbeat.

@mobaumeister2732

Жыл бұрын

The Trek fuel EXe 9.5 is 6500 euros and around 18.5kg?

This is a good quality german company. You can tell they take reliability and performance very seriously. They will be around a long time. I can see why Porsche bought into them. Mountain bikes are lightyears ahead of the car systems in terms of power to weight ratio.

its a great system i was just expecting more from the 430wh battery, but still love the concept.

@lakaldrak

Жыл бұрын

I mean U get 430wh what U expect??

@ataksnajpera

Жыл бұрын

@@lakaldrak 1200Wh

can you tell us Pivot weight approximately?

@EdBraunbeck

Жыл бұрын

41.3 lbs ready to ride for Pro X01 medium.

5:30 Focus Sam2 SL?

@pietrocampanocruz5071

Жыл бұрын

just noticed it, looks damn awesome.

I liked the Relay better being a 170mm enduro

Love the way this lightweight tech is headed, but a 40-50km range is game over after a few hours?!

@uwe_bike

Жыл бұрын

Just put a second battery into your backpack 😉

@Stelomat

Жыл бұрын

40-50 plus 1200hm. i have a specialized turbo levo comp with 700w battery i get about the same range out of it. But with the fazua its a lot easier to pedal the thing when the battery is low or to safe energy.

@jevgeniardassov

Жыл бұрын

At 2.3 kg a battery if the price is sane, which it will be at 431 watts, probably in 500-600 euro range, just bring a second one. You need a second battery on a Turbo Levo as well if You’re planning on doing decent speed at over 60 km. And Levo has 700 watts…

@andydtkd

Жыл бұрын

I get what you are saying , but carrying an extra battery, totally defeats the purpose of a lightweight ride?! Short runs on these bikes, yeah fair enough, but the whole reason for an emtb (in my personal opinion) is those extended climbs and rides you wouldn't normally manage on legs alone.

@Stelomat

Жыл бұрын

@@jevgeniardassov exactly with specialized their 700w battery here is 1200€ ... and sizewise you dont get it into your backback easily or at all. Only point were the big bike has its advantages is very steep climbs (max i did so far was 25%-32% for a little over 300m) anything else the fazua would be better i think i definetly will test it out soon.

🔋🍻🙌🏼

Hope Orbea will use their motor for a new Rise.

This is the system/ive been waiting for, something which will bring a full suss bike down to the 14-15kg mark - now where’s my local pivot dealer ?

@josefv8708

Жыл бұрын

Im driving a Bulls Grinder Gravelbike in Germany with Fazua 250 and this has 15.5kg...excellent Training machine...got it on offer for 2400€😉

Wow they finally did it. A motor and gearbox in one. It's insane how small and light it is. This might kill gearboxes like a pinion or effygear. Why choose a gearbox only that sits around 2kg. If you can get one with a motor and gearbox in one for the same weight. Edit: wait why the bike has got a cassette? The gearbox is useless?

@andretokayuk8100

Жыл бұрын

yep.. just for the motor torque.. sad, huh?

Hey could you please tell me if the Fazua Ride 60 truly does pedal without any feeling of drag with the motor off or over the assist limit? I think I want to buy the Transition Relay purely based on the promise that it can be ridden with no feeling of drag without assist as an analogue bike, or over the assist limit, as well as how gorgeous it looks! But the real problem is that I can't wait till it's spring release to buy a new bike, I need to find something else to replace my rusty hardtail in the meantime!

@josefv8708

Жыл бұрын

I did not drive the 60...but own the old 250 in Bulls Grinder Gravelbike 15.5kg...no resistance at all at any time...brillant!...and I have driven all motors available on market. None compare to this. Don't think there is any difference than the Motor is fixed into the frame now.

I have the Ride 60 on my Focus SL, this is the best system currently on the market; main flaws are: 1) the remote gets stuck even after changing it with the upgraded one; also is not easy to use while riding 2) the connection with garmin is through a dedicated page but is not integrated like with Shimano for example 3) they promised the range extender in 2022 and today (jan 2024) is still not available.. this is really upsetting. Having that said I still believe is the best light system currently on the market.

@viliamv1836

2 ай бұрын

There are a lot of flaws, BB fails, Battery fails, Battery drains when the bike is not in use, connectivity problems, motor loses power, sensors issues, and the system is basically not water resistance... just google Fazua problems :) never ever... yeah good concept but I would rather pick Bosch, it is far more reliable

Already been outdated by the DQ, which is smaller and lighter?

Nobody is giving up numbers. How much lighter than the EP8RS is it? Because the Transition Relay using this is supposedly the same weight as the heaviest Orbea Rise despite having a smaller battery.

@sorcererzv

Жыл бұрын

RS is only a software modification, the motor weighs like other EP8s, 2.6 kg

Germany is leading the way on producing lightweight eMTB motors, Fazua, TQ, Mahle.

by the sounds of it the ep8 rs motor in my rise still outperforms this setup, the range on this fazua isn't very good only just over1000m of climbing, i was really impressed until this moment in the video.

@cedricgtrable

Жыл бұрын

1000m on turbo full time

@garyfuller6553

Жыл бұрын

@@cedricgtrable It’s not necessarily a question of efficiency I would imagine the EP8 and the Fazua are similarly efficient it’s just how much power the motor is allowed to take from the battery so that said I would imagine the turbo setting on the Fazula is giving more assistance than the EP8RS

@dft1

Жыл бұрын

i have rise but this would be even better. i lighter weight motor instead of detuned motor. that new transition mullet bike with this will be amazing.

@tonyrobinson1623

Жыл бұрын

Maybe, but at least it doesn't rattle like a bucket of bolts like the ep8.

@benwahhhh

Жыл бұрын

I used to do 1200 with Bosch gen2 in eco mode and 500w Now I do 1300 uphill with 250w on my ezesty Can you do the same with ep8rs?

Interesting. Voice sync on video seems well off.

Hi @embn dont you want to inform your community that the FAZUA Ride 60 wont have a range extender in 2024. This is crucial for the decision what bike to buy….

No. It's the new QT motor used in the new TREK. Imho.

The funny thing about R&D testing and perfect products....you don't get the same quality control in production which is where you will get the failures, etc. They aren't doing anything different then every R&D center is doing for all/every product.

i think you need to update your report as i have read and seen a number of issues with this motor. Shame as it rode great when i tested it.on a Pivot SL

Electric bike next car could also be electric it is the future the sooner the better!!!

Is this bike released yet?

@embn

Жыл бұрын

👀 Nope!

@josefv8708

Жыл бұрын

The Ride 60 is very New and announced for usage from some OEMs like Riese&Müller.

The system NEEDS to decouple utterly above the max allocated speed and when the bike is ridden with motor off.

Por favor deberían permitir aumentar la velocidad máxima de asistencia limitada a 25kh a 35kh a quienes no están sujetos a las limitaciones europeas de bicicletas eléctricas y no estar recurriendo a terceros flasheando, precio pago. Es un proceso que deberia ser opcional para los propietarios non eu, saludos

The app "will" be a major part of the bike in the "future". Translation - their current app is unmentionable and they will have a new one by Spring 2023.

Looks nice and compact, when you have a company like Porsche investing, it looks good, however they may push the company in a direction that suits Porsche. As for his review of the motor, well, he's going to say it's good, enough power and battery life, a punchy motor, because let's face it, they never say anything bad.

I'm on my 3rd Bosch powered ebike and I have heard of Fazua, but dismissed them without looking into them as I assumed by the name it was just another cheap Chinese knock off. Wow, have I had my eyes opened! Perhaps a bit of rebranding or a name change might do their top line wonders...

@SonnyDarvishzadeh

Жыл бұрын

Yep. Another name I thought the same is Haibike.

@MotoMatt418

Жыл бұрын

I agree. It sounds like a cheap Chinese brand name.

@philiphawkins4684

Жыл бұрын

Funny how people determine the quality of something based on the name.

@josefv8708

Жыл бұрын

Fazua is bavarian dialect and means some thing like...drive off. These guys made some fun since the Company is from munich

@TheStuartstardust

Жыл бұрын

They also hide the faces of the engineers in the video, that is just how ugly they are.😬 So they must be very skilled 🤓😁

Fine and dandy with reducing motor size but what is needed is the bike industry to concentrate on developing the sealed gear box and do away with derailleurs completely, this technology should have been standard 10 years ago and by now super lightweight and on most every bike...I can only surmise companies make money by putting out more derailleurs as they know it is an easily damaged part so needs replaced making money. Sealed gearboxes have far more importance than this fad for creating lighter motors, it will always be limited by current battery technology and the duration of such batteries...Lightweight ebikes are probably at their zenith and this continued fascination with small weight margins on motors is IMHO really going backwards...

@electric_boogaloo496

Жыл бұрын

Agreed, I wouldn't mind the extra weight and lower drivetrain efficiency of a gearbox on an e-bike. Happy with my chunky 2020 Aluminum Turbo Levo Comp. The only reason I would upgrade would be the integrated gearbox. With battery power always being on-board, I wouldn't mind electronic shifter for it either. Something that would give the impression of being able to shift under load to the user, but the motor momentarily cuts power like a quick shifter on a motorcycle.

All very good, but is it very silent or does it sound like a coffee grinder .Maybe Specialized should have done motor water testing and battery testing like this instead of thinking they are so clever and innovative then rushing them out creating their own reliability nightmare.

Good information maybe at the end I’ll tell me the Weight ❓

@predpalina

Жыл бұрын

Lightest!?;)

@uwe_bike

Жыл бұрын

appr. 20 kg compared to appr. 25 kg of a standard EMTB.

@josefv8708

Жыл бұрын

My Bulls Grinder Gravelbike is 15.5kg...my other eBikes are 25kg and above. Since I have the old 250...10kg after removing Batterie and Motor as unit.

Europe’s laws slow progress . There could easily be a new Licensing system just below a CBT for faster Ebike . It’s all to narrow minded

@promisberg1

Жыл бұрын

This is an eu issue. Most European countries no longer have sovereignty! Compound that by the fact that thermodynamic Theory thrown out the window to say that e-bikes that are of a certain power are actually bicycles.

When you ask people, "why don't we make stuff in out own country?", "the labour's too expensive." How come Germany can do it then??? We need to bring manufacturing back to britain!

:D Bavarian name - cool! Thought at first it's just another asian thing. Haha

I think it's better to have 80 nm and to only use 60 of it.

@dft1

Жыл бұрын

that would be bigger and weigh more. 60nm is alot for light bike

@edwardclark3980

Жыл бұрын

@@dft1 it would be more stable, and you wont be maxing out the motor.

@edwardclark3980

Жыл бұрын

@@dft1 nm is the amount of power it puts out. 60 nm compared to 80. Isnt the same as the weight difference between a 250 to 450. Its electric.

German engineering will always be the best!! Trains, cars, bikes … it doesn’t matter, Germany is the king of, the others are just the rest

@EdLo.

Жыл бұрын

Japanese is quite good as well

400 watt battery is not enough and when we finally will have self charging batteries?

It seems weak when compared to whats already out 60 nm versus 90..

Why is the Fazua controller so bad? It’s plastic junk. They need to rethink it and create a new one made of metal that works on bearings or something. It’s on some pretty pricey bikes. It’s amazing how bad the quality of it is. I hope they come up with something more substantial or just go with plus and minus buttons and offer replacements to those with the plastic controller.

Bolt on a tsdz2 and away you go.

its more sad that car companies invest in bikes because you earn way more money than with cars. e bike equipment should be around the price of a battery operated drill with some more batteries.

non removable motor is a deal killer and a maint issue down the road

@josefv8708

Жыл бұрын

Not removale compared to the old Fazua System...Batterie and Motor was a unit, which could be removed complete...my Bulls Grinder Gravelbike is 15.5kg..removing Batterie and Motor means 10kg and you can use it as normal Bike. The 60 can be unscrewed...but since the engine is the crank, too...it makes no sense other if there is a defect. But you would never remove a Bosch, Brose, Shimano other than for a repair, too....

Premium price for average performance bike.

What the point of an ebike this light?

@streddaz

Жыл бұрын

It rides more like a normal bike, that’s the reason why I have a lightweight Ebike

@josefv8708

Жыл бұрын

@@streddaz agree...my Bulls Grinder Gravelbike has 15.5kg and drives excellent...much closer to a normal Bike, but still some help on steep hills. Complete different purpose...more sporty than normal eBikes...I own, too.

Sounds like a chinese brand.

🤕Unmemorable brand name. 🙄Hard to read logo 🤯Hard to spell 🤥Sounds like a Chinese. brand 😎But I like it and German engineered 🏁😎 V

wwaffle waffle waffle

No!

Steve Jones is no ebike pioneer. Closed minded and extremely slow to warm to this sort of advancement is more accurate.

dying companies looking for lucrative markets.

I disagree that 50 or 60nm is the sweet spot. if you need that much you will still struggle riding down sadly. loving my 35nm.kenevo sl which I have downturned

@vladivanov7645

Жыл бұрын

everybody has their own sweet spot. Do not make me love yours 🤣

@streddaz

Жыл бұрын

I have a Levo SL and I find the 35nm fine, but I wouldn’t knock back 50 or 60 for the same weight.

@mtsmithtube

Жыл бұрын

Doesn't it depend on the terrain you ride and how many hills?

@vladivanov7645

Жыл бұрын

@@mtsmithtube For sure it is. Ride style, terrain, uphill road or trail many variables.

Fazua need to change the cheap looking and cheap feeling components on the bike for more premium options. It looks and feels like cheap Chinese junk.

There's no future in mtb with the high overpriced cost I bought a dirt bike instead and shredded my local mtb trails

@philiphawkins4684

Жыл бұрын

You mean you destroyed the local trails with your dirt bike.

Expensive weak motors and small batteries. Exciting tech. My Bafang 29'er has twice the N-m and over twice the battery capacity and less than 1/2 the cost. Production ebike tech is for suckers or those that didn't go to engineering school. Of course you will try to sell it to the uninitiated. Good luck finding replacement parts. CANBUS proprietary controllers. The tech hustle continues. German's are the masters at fleecing the public with expensive tech. BMW is the flagship for poor reliability and therefore non existent resale value. The ignorant public are easy pickings.

@streddaz

Жыл бұрын

Twice the weight too😉

@josefv8708

Жыл бұрын

I own several eBikes and each has its purpose...and I own a Bulls Grinder Gravelbike with 15.5kg and Fazua 250...excellent and fun to drive. And Yes you make much more Sport on this kinf of Bike since Motor is weak compared to others...as said different purpose makes different bikes.

@bindingcurve

Жыл бұрын

Conceded idiot. 95% of people did not go to engineering school and 90% who did would still like an intergraded product and just don't have enough free time to mess with a home made science experiment, we have better things to do.

Whats with that new pivot emtb in video? Cant find any news in google that pivot is realising new lightweight emtb, it’s like first look of it

@embn

Жыл бұрын

👀👀👀