Gross.

@lisaruhm6681

3 ай бұрын

and then there are CK3 players treating it like pokemon.

@craftybuilder_jr

3 ай бұрын

Ya very big ew

@scottbivins4758

3 ай бұрын

Tell that to Alabama 😂😂😂 i love ya Alabama but yall gotta stop that shit.

@mr.redpanda-

3 ай бұрын

@@lisaruhm6681I’d try one play though with super incest, but I just don’t have the stomach to do it

@adamwest8256

3 ай бұрын

If your family tree looks like a high line pole, you my want to consider Tinder for your next date. Just saying.

Fun fact: Even though there were no brother/sister relationships in the Habsburg's line, between all the cousin and uncle/niece relationships earlier in the tree, Charles II of Spain was more inbred than if his parents HAD been siblings.

@omarkennedy7056

3 ай бұрын

I believe the only way to become more inbred was if 2 siblings had produced children who then went on to copulation with each other. The fact that they managed to do that without actually doing that is kinda impressive really

@Avalikia

3 ай бұрын

Yes, it took several generations of making the same sort of bad choices, over and over again.

Note: family trees should be tree-shaped, not tumbleweed shaped

@MySerpentine

3 ай бұрын

Family wreath

"How a royal family destroyed itself through inbreeding" We must be talking about the Hapsburgs.

@prettyokandy230

3 ай бұрын

plantagenets were quite good at inbreeding too! come to think of it, they all seemed to prefer to keep it "in the family"...

@stinkos

3 ай бұрын

*Habsburg

I recently ran across the story of Joanna the Mad on a project I've been working on. Yeah, it's quite gross and disturbing if it's true, but there's a lot of debate over whether Joanna actually did have mental issues, at least of the nature attributed to her. She was never described as mad until she became the key to ruling Castile and the two people that labelled her thus (her husband and her father) happened to be the two that stood to gain the most if she were declared unfit to rule. Joanna herself denied the accusations of her madness except to admit that she was prone to extreme bouts of jealousy.

@hannibal-rb3go

3 ай бұрын

From everything I've heard seems more like depression caused first by her upbringing and then you only hear about it around when deaths happen which conveniently leads to as you said her father and husband taking advantage.

@Benito-lr8mz

3 ай бұрын

The very strange behaviour in dead of her husband is suspicious ; and in other thing the great job of substitute of Joana the regent of Castile Cardinal Cisneros .

Humans actually knew full well about the dangers of inbreeding, all the way back in ancient Egypt as well. Any farmer or animal breeder knew that breeding animals too closely related eventually resulted in sick animals and/or no animals. Egyptian royals ignored that because they literally thought they were gods or a different, higher species and mortal rules didn’t apply to them. The Hapsburgs either also thought their blood was different from lowly peasant blood, didn’t care and wanted to hoard power anyway, or had no interest in animal husbandry so they never learned. Also in regards to cousin marriage, to the best of my knowledge without looking it up: first cousins are inbreeding, second cousins are sorta risky but there’s enough genetic diversity that the risk is minimal, third cousins I’m pretty sure as far as genes are concerned you might as well not be related. (Again, as long as it doesn’t keep happening.) This of course assumes no other cousin marriages in your direct genetic lines for many generations. Which is why the chaebol families in South Korea are going to find themselves in a bit of a pickle if they keep insisting on only marrying within 8 specific families. (Technically there are 45 chaebol, but I’ve heard that the top 8 don’t consider the rest when arranging matches. Could be wrong though.)

14:10 I am a photographer and have worked with families to give them fantastic family portraits, often I have found that incest is surprisingly common in South Carolina. It is generally pretty horrifying. And working with children that were the by-product of an incestuous relationship, lets just say you need an incredible amount of patience. It could take 1-3 hours before you get a good photograph, I cannot image how torturous it mustve been for the Artist who had to paint a Hapsburg.

King Tut was just a regular everyday guy. It was only on rare occassions when he suffered concussion, such as from a plant pot falling on his head, that his criminal streak would emerge.

@imranmazzarulli5293

3 ай бұрын

He had some deformities, like an underbite, clubfoot, and unusually wide hips. He pretty much couldn’t walk without a cane. They sequenced his genome and found out what he looked like in life, and the deformities are … definitely noticeable

When the family tree became the family bush 💀

@BDESal

3 ай бұрын

Family wreath

@mikitz

3 ай бұрын

Family tumbleweed.

@endersdragon34

3 ай бұрын

More like family palm tree, a bit of branching at the top then just straight down.

@Shaun_Jones

3 ай бұрын

The Egyptians liked to practice the family telephone pole, just brother-sister several generations straight.

I think of royal inbreeding as the most thorough unethical scientific experiment done willingly (not considering the will of those poor babies). There's no other way we would've got this level of research otherwise. They had the best doctors of the time to examine the effects. And they were the most powerful families, no government could stop them from doing it. Such extensive experiment would (thankfully) never fly today.

The Hapsburg portrait at 8.50 is AI, not an historical painting

Generally, royal families had to get papal dispensation (permission) in order to marry relatives who were more closely related than "the fourth degree of kinship" according to Catholic Canon. Seeing how often it happened historically, this clearly wasn't much of a hurdle, but they technically did have to get permission to marry first or second cousins. Marriage between siblings was always forbidden, so that's where they drew the line, though not for genetic reasons of course.

Call her Auntma or Grauntma. Lol

Fun fact: the son of Emperor Charles I, the last Austrian emperor, Otto von Habsburg, was an MEP who fought in the Cold War (politically) for a unified Europe and lived until 2011 when he got an imperial funeral - almost 100 years after the empire ended. The funeral could be a nice, anachronistic video to react to :D And the great grandson of Charles (technically heir apparent) is now one of the best endurance race drivers and this season in a team with the son of Michael Schumacher.

I love how your reaction videos adds substance, instead of just having you sit and watch the video. Keep them coming!

At 8:55 I like how everyone in that family looks exactly the same lol. Like it's the same head on different bodies with only hairstyles being unique 😅. No genetic diversity to be found

Fun fact: the Austrian line of the Hapsburg family is still alive to this very day. They stopped inbreeding entirely several generations ago, and since the kind of stresses inbreeding places on the genetic code mostly dissapears after even a single generation of "outbreeding", all three siblings of the latest generation are in good physical and mental health. Given the disastrous results on the Spanish line, it's a small wonder any of that line survived at all. The strange thing is, the Spanish line going extinct may have been the very thing that saved the Austrian line. See, the reason for all the cousins and uncles marrying each other was really simple: the Spanish line and the Austrian line were cousins, and the only way for the family to keep both territories for themselves was for one side of the family to marry the other side of the family in a closed loop. After the extinction of the Spanish line, the Austrian line was free to marry much less closely related people. Now, most royal families across Europe are related, but nowhere near as close as the two Hapsburg lines. This would definetely have eased some of the inbreeding fatigue on the gene pool, at least until they figured out what should have been obvious from the start - inbreeding is extremely unhealthy (shocker!).

My tip to top royals. Why not make fun with a commoner? You don't mess up your line of succession (because what are their family going to do?), and you have a healthy, attractive and mentally competent heir.

@cp368productions2

3 ай бұрын

The royals did have a lot of fun with commoners and other nobility but those children weren't given any status.

I really appreciate you and your videos. Thank you.

Anyone else reminded of the Ray Stevens song "I'm My Own Grandpa" 🤣😂🤣

When nature says: “Please stop.”

Hapsburg even extend into Italy and additionally Romania. This family, for all its incest, got around. But the Caserta Palace, inspirational design to Versailles (but bigger) is gorgeous.

Juana I of Spain (Castille) is a very interesting and misunderstood historic figure, she had some bouts of Madness, but essentially she was essentially used by all the men in her life, very far from the fetishist the casual lectures put.

@Benito-lr8mz

3 ай бұрын

Your mother Isabela Queen is a very top expectatives in Juana

He's wrong about people not knowing about the negative effects of inbreeding. Queen Giovanna of Naples, for example, lamented she had a hard time conceiving children because she had married relatives.

Well, we all well know about the hemophilia that ran throughout English royal families…

@Benito-lr8mz

3 ай бұрын

A typical imbreeding sick

@junecaffyn357

3 ай бұрын

I read that it first appeared in Queen Victoria’s family, as just one of her 9 children had haemophilia - Prince Leopold - and she protested that this decease had never been in her family - and indeed it had not appeared until Prince Leopold was born but then unfortunately it spread to Russia, Spain and German Royal families as back then it was not realised that it was men could get it but the female was the carrier. There was no blood transfusions back then either of course.

i loved the history of everything talking about them it was awesome to get the details. the most inbred hapsburgh was still slightly less inbred then 2 siblings have a kid which was wild.

It's all fun and games until you discover your niece is also your great uncle.

If you like the Habsburg topic I would highly recommend the two parter „How Inbred were the Habsburg?“ By history tea time with Lindsay Holidays. I always keep coming back to it because it’s so good.

King Tut was the product of “an incestuous relationship.” I think it was several, but as I learned from a Film Theory video about Game of Thrones, people can be super screwed up after two generations of inbreeding.

When you browse youtube you realize that most content about the Habsburgs meme-likely gets down to this. But it's not really what they should be mostly discussed for. I strongly recommend Schwerpunkt's videos on the Habsburgic monarchy for some more political and contextual analysis

Unfortunate how it seems I can’t access the original video anymore, it just says “removed by uploader”

Both Weird History Channel and Tea Time with Lindsey Holiday on youtube have videos covering the Hapsburgs. The latter of the two goes into more details and includes the Holy Roman Empire half of the family. Also has a video specifically covering Juana the Mad. Didn't learn much about the Hapsburgs in College and the subject wasn't even covered in High School, so most of what I know on the subject is from both of them.

14:16 while they would have “their preferred ideal of beauty” as the progression of the incest genetically would be generational, I would also imagine as royalty they still hold an ideal not offered to the populous so their portraits could still be fairly accurate.

Just took a glance at the title and immediately thought “oh, yes, the Habsburgs”

I started researching my ancestry in-depth a couple of years ago. It's been fascinating, but there are two very awkward aspects of it. The first is potentially finding out one is related to/descended from some very unsavory characters. In my case, that list includes both Reynald de Chatillon, who was the arch-villain of the events leading to the Third Crusade in both Christian and Islamic histories, and Queen Juana the Mad, the uber-disgusting corpse foot licker featured in the video, who is my 15th great-grandmother through 2 different lines of ancestry and my 17th great-grandmother through a third line. Ick! The second awkward aspect of researching one's ancestry is that if enough information exists, one has a strong chance of finding out how closely one's parents are related to each other. The good news is that if they're 4th cousins or more distant, the chances of genetic defects are no worse than they are for completely unrelated people. In my case, the closest degree of relation isn't too bad, as my grandfathers were 12th cousins of each other through common ancestors in the Howard family of England during the reign of King Henry VIII. Even though that's nowhere near inbreeding levels, it still makes me cringe slightly realizing my parents are 13th cousins and I'm my own 14th cousin!

Most of Europe was under either a Hapsburg or Holenzonran lines, both from German-Austrian states. Even the Windsors are German bloodlines

@stinkos

3 ай бұрын

*Habsburg „Holenzonran“? Do you mean Hohenzollern? 🤔

Have you ever played the Crusader Kings games? They might be a good premise for some content.

Idk about other animals, but with fish, it's pretty much agreed upon that 7 generations of offspring can come from 1 pair before you get serious problems

I mean, if you look a those portraits, what choice did they have but intermarry? Power and money goes a long way when looking for a potential partner, but I guess there a limits not even greed can overcome 🤷

As far as I know, only some reptiles are able to directly inbreed without problems for 1-2 generations. I’ve never had a snake, but some reptile people make very entertaining videos. I guess coral and those tubes by the sea vents are also animals that can tolerate inbreeding. I don’t know about fish, but Luke’s Goldfish doesn’t say his fish in the same tank are siblings. Reptiles don’t move very far away from where they’re born, so they’re built to withstand a little bit of inbreeding

Some cultures favor cousin marriages, but the Hapsburgs took it to an extreme.

@MrDeflador

3 ай бұрын

If some of your anchestor did marry their Cousins it is usually Not that Bad. However These children should marry way outside their family otherwise it is worse then someone marry their sibling (from a genetic stand Point).

5:21 minor correction: it's closer to "90-95% of monarchs that ever lived", as far as out-of-wedlock bed-hopping. It was extremely common, but there were some notable exceptions (and not just among monarchs who didn't father illegitimate offspring because they preferred young men to young women). Despite their negative reputations in other ways, both King George III of Great Britain and Tsar Alexander III of Russia were known to be faithful to their wives.

Family tree? No. Family spaghetti.

@GhostBear3067

3 ай бұрын

Family wreath

It's worth remembering that this was the exception, not the rule. We think of history in terms of the people in charge (who, for Europe, were often Hapsburgs) but these marriages were special exceptions granted to the Hapsburg family by the church that were not generally extended to the non-royal people of that era. I'm not sure how common it was even among royalty. In Europe, the Hapsburgs both skewed the statistics by holding so many thrones, but also by inspiring other families to copy what they saw as a successful strategy. But historically there were countless dynasties across countless cultures and I'm only aware of a relatively small number of examples across SHu Han China, Julio-Claudian dynasty of the Roman empire, 18th dynasty Egypt and the Hapsburg and related mess of Europe. Certainly there are more, but I've not seen nearly enough evidence to call it "common", particularly with ALL the examples I listed just now being in cultures that treated the behavior as problematic and writing criticisms of it even while it was happening.

A video recommendation I have is from a channel called DougDoug the video is "I forced twitch chat to fight in the American Revolution."

We've sequenced the DNA of the last Hapsburg ruler. It was nothing but T's.... ON BOTH STRANDS.

Me reading the Habsburg: "Ew, Gross" Me playing CK3: "YOU WILL MARRY YOUR SISTER CAUSE I WILL NOT SPLIT AND GIVE ALL MY LAND TO YOUR UNCLE AND FIGHTING CIVIL WAR TO UNITE IT ALL AGAIN"

History of Everything Podcast had a video about this which goes into more detail. OTOH, that video is 45 minutes long

Destroying a bloodline. Cody Rhodes likes this.

8:36 Yes! Marrying your cousins you can mostly avoid genetic mutations or deformities. That's why in Europe its mostly legalised, although culturally, and I definitely can say this in my country of Britain, even though its legal it is not practiced at all and if anything kind of frowned upon. I think its also the same for European countries that have it legal too.

So this is the history of SCP-3288 good to know

The Habsburgs were ultra gross, but as you said at the start, they were choir boys compared to the Ancient Egyptians, both in grossness and in extremity. Charles the Bewitched was an extreme example of European royal inbreeding, but he would have been par for the course in the average Pharaoh's family, at least outside of the first couple of generations of each dynasty. That's the difference between several generations of uncle/niece marriages (eew to the gross!) and many successive generations of brother/sister inbreeding (eewer to the grosser!)

Something that I will never understand is: I know their scientific knowledge was lacking, I understand that... But no one ever saw that each child is more defective than the previous ones and they're starting to have survivability problems? Like: "Hmm, suddenly we're stupider, more prone to illness and overall worsening, which is something that didn't happen previously.... Maybe we're doing something wrong?"

There are still some habsburgs still alive

WHAT WILL IT BE?? hapsburgers or plantagenets??? or pretty much just any royal family at all?

Terry that royal painting is AI. Which works to the story's advantage because the limbs and bodies are all messed up lol

Are they called Hapsburgs in English for real? That makes no sense since the German Habsburg is pronounced the same way even in English…

@xyreniaofcthrayn1195

3 ай бұрын

yeah no one really knows who started the mispronunciation but it was common enough.

Mr. Terry, can you please shine your light on the Tucker - Putin interview? Would be great to hear your response with historical knowledge.

Habsburg’s?

What happend to casual history?

Crosseyed? This is the only thing you noticed? :D

Calling Emperor Charles V very powerful is questionable. He NOMINALLY ruled a massive stretch of land, yes... but his Imperial authority crumbled right under his fingers to the point where Imperial Electors openly defied him and broke not only from his command but even the religion which unified the Empire. He didn't resign and break up his house's possessions for nothing.

who worse habsburg or egyptians pharaohs

@hannibal-rb3go

3 ай бұрын

Pharaohs if they weren't actually cheating on their husbands. There's a point in the ptolemies when there's like twice brother sister incest and the Pharaoh marries his sister and his daughter with the sister and the next Pharaoh is the daughters kid with him.

Is the voice for casual history AI? Sounds like it to me

So the Targaryens?

@mangantasy289

3 ай бұрын

yes, exactly what I was thinking. But that's the reason why every time a Targaryen is born the gods flip a coin to decide whether they end up going insane or not 😅

at least they where good at playing baseball

I think we don't hear about Joanna Mr Terry (I.e. The mad Queenn of Castile) is that I think most historians agree this never happened and could have been propaganda. So, yeah, I think he's a bit wrong on that one.

Amazing how even nature itself prefers democracy!!!!

Pretty sure that art is AI. Look at the hands closely

did all royal marriages occur only out of purely political reasons? there where surely some amount of love-marriages in the histories.

@skiller5034

3 ай бұрын

Nah, royal-to-royal marriages were pretty much exclusively the parents playing chess Not to say there weren't marriages where there *was* love, but it was just a fortuitous byproduct of the marriage or an afterthought Then again I don't know literally every single royal to royal marriage that ever occured in history, so there might be some obscure small duke/count children who actually loved each other prior to the marriage and that love *was* the primary reason.

How does no one here know how to spell HaBsburg?

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Their NOT from Alabama????

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The AI voice is kinda annoying.

tbf i feel like people would look back on what we think as correct in 400 years and think we are some weird creatures as much as we do inbreds lmao

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