As long as they actually attend the school and getting a degree, then it should be allowed. The league might need a rule in place to prevent double dipping in prize pools between the leagues, transferring schools or taking a "break" for a semester. One example, in other professional sports they do not allow pros to compete for the lower tier championships or other big title matches. Just banning pros from playing in the CRL because they are better than someone else is a bit irresponsible IMO. Some of them are legit trying to get a free education. Don't ruin some kids life because they can hit a flip reset and this kid can't. Just put rules in place that make the $$$ not be motivation for playing outside RLCS. Make the rules force it to truly be for an education and let them get it however they can earn it.

@ismaelvalentin2323

2 жыл бұрын

You can’t really judge someone off of nothing tho. They can say they are going to get a degree 😂 there’s a thing called lying

@siloh9723

2 жыл бұрын

@@ismaelvalentin2323 that can be said about anybody in crl

@ismaelvalentin2323

2 жыл бұрын

@@siloh9723 exactly 😂 that’s why I’m saying they can’t really stop people from having loopholes unless they ban pros from being in crl, but then that wouldn’t be fair for pros who truly want an education😂 it’s a lose lose so the whole crl will eventually go to shit

@LunaticSoldiers

2 жыл бұрын

@@ismaelvalentin2323 You can probably find a way to make things work out. For example, if a school supports the CRL, they can have the players sign agreements that they must maintain certain GPAs, remain in the school for so many years, and payment for tuition isn't collected until after their degree is achieved, you can require so many credit hours, etc. There are other schools not involved in eSports that do similar things. Colorado State University offers online classes that can be paid for by your employer's tuition reimbursement program at the end of your degree rather than paying it out of pocket and you receiving reimbursement at the end of the year. The caveat is that you enter into this situation knowing that if you don't maintain the requirements and lose your tuition coverage, you take that on as a debt and it must be paid back out of pocket. This will force Pro players who do not have any intentions to remain beyond x semesters to really consider whether or not they want to risk taking on this debt, reducing their already limited free time, among other repercussions. The next way to go about it is to revoke rights from schools who abuse scholarships. There exists ways to discourage that behavior as well. Psyonix alone can implement guidelines that schools must follow to be considered part of the League. Then they should do audits to make sure that those guidelines are followed. Just like "real" sports do.

@justsayin._.

2 жыл бұрын

Thank u for saving me 8 minutes of watch time

pros should be allowed to play in crl as long as they go to the school to really get a degree instead of easy money farm

@Floozy..

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah to a certain point. Like imagine Lebron coming back to college cause he never played in college he would be best player in the ncaa by far so not fair at all cause you know who won this past crl and dominated it was freaking north wood with 3 high level pro players

@fabreasy304

2 жыл бұрын

@@Floozy.. except lebron is an adult while RLCS players are mostly teens.

@Rob0100

2 жыл бұрын

No, pick one or the other.

@joemcle6521

2 жыл бұрын

Pros should be allowed to COACH Crl teams as long as they go to the school and get a degree

@onedayatatime007

2 жыл бұрын

You should only be aloud to play in one league at a time period. That's how every other sport I have ever seen has been. You don't get to double collect prize funds.

Really well made video, when I first heard about the discussion I didn't have the full picture and just thought "well obviously lionblaze can play in CRL". But hearing that bay state is using a loophole to pass itself as a college, defeating the original purpose of CRL, now I wish the rules would be changed to stop such thing.

@ShadowReformed

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! There's definitely a bigger picture and a lot to look at when it comes to CRL rules and regulations

@michaelclarke1716

2 жыл бұрын

@@ShadowReformed just wanted to say in future videos can you slow down just a bit. in the first 30 seconds you very quickly explained a lot and i had to relisten just to catch the most important part. about pro players getting fullrides to win prize money. you blew thru that point. also, can you leave your tweets on screen a tad longer. im not expecting them when they come so itll take the viewer a moment to even start reading. i cant read it in the 1 second you have them displayed. so im going back again to catch those and then pausing because its so quick.

It always starts with good intentions, then money gets involved.

My opinion: Pros shouldn't be able to compete in CRL, players should be going from playing in CRL, to being recruited by Pro teams. Not the other way around

@xaviierm9332

2 жыл бұрын

then you want them to add a minor league. crl is for college players. If a college student is also a pro, then oh well. You can’t say he can’t play because he is too good.

@jackrollison27

2 жыл бұрын

@@xaviierm9332 hes pro crl wont help him

@adrianpaulochoa9825

2 жыл бұрын

@@xaviierm9332 But he is already registered in a bigger league, wouldnt it be good to give some opportunities to someone else? That would be like someone in the nba that still goes to college be elligible to play in the ncaa (i know thats not how it works) but the fundamental is there, you are already on the top why get a chance to playin a lower place when other people need it so much more than you who already got the chance

@sportsballgaming2239

2 жыл бұрын

It's hard for CRL to work as a path to pro. Many players in RLCS make it before they turned 18 and most players retire or fall off by age 23. The only way that works is if we up the minimum age for RLCS to 18. But then you risk the quality of RLCS declining just so we can emulate the NCAA and traditional sports. Personally, I think CRL can work as a good place for RL players to invest in their future after RL. Not all players will successfully transition to content creation, analyst, or coaching. CRL just needs to make sure those that do play are full time students on an actual school campus.

@tokenrl

2 жыл бұрын

@@sportsballgaming2239 you basically just helped my point a bit too in the first part of your comment. "Most players in RLCS make it before they turn 18, " meaning that they are already a Pro player before they go to college, so what is the point of playing in CRL, when you're already at such a high level in the RL scene. You can still go to college, and be a Pro in RLCS at the same time.

as someone who played CRL you make good points....it blows though when your college cannot afford those top players. It sucks also when it is full teams of these pro players. I remember I played Akron when Tristn first got signed and in those cases it is fun. We ended up losing but put up a good fight and took a game off of them. It is fun when you have one or two people on the other team who are getting a full ride at the school of their choice but are also getting a real degree. Overall great video and very valid points

"We just want to shut them down and make their school suffer" I see you've discovered the true meaning of college sports

This is interesting since the pro RLCS players start out younger than college age. So basically they go into RLCS first and then go into CRL after. I guess it depends on when they started RLCS but if they want to play CRL, they would need to retire from RLCS for a time while attending college and should have requirements for getting a certificate or a degree from that college so they don't just take a semester break to play for whatever is highest paid. They need to commit for a time to CRL.

@ShadowReformed

2 жыл бұрын

Right, it's like reverse NCAA but CRL doesn't feed into RLCS or anything, I mean we saw tristn go pro but not the same thing

@stanktank9722

2 жыл бұрын

If you decide to play in rlcs at anytime, I think you should not be allowed to play in crl. You can still go to college but you can't play crl.

@nopesnropes3679

2 жыл бұрын

@@ShadowReformed I played against Tristn before and after he went pro and then he actually got benched on Akron's team because he no longer had the time to make practices for the school. Akron was probably my favorite school to go against because it seemed like they were actually dedicated to creating a closeknit college team of real students.

Your content is so underrated well done 👏

@ShadowReformed

2 жыл бұрын

thanks drip

@crispyrl

2 жыл бұрын

your skill is very overrated, get back in the free play gym you need it.

bro deserves so much more attention, nice work 👍

well done, this really needs to be talked about more.

I have heard stories of Northwood, just like Bay State, not really being a legitimate school and that's just ridiculous that they are allowed to recruit cash grab teams. In the long run someone who spent their college years playing Rocket League without getting any sort of degree will end up regretting it

@JWhiz

Жыл бұрын

Northwood is pretty legitimate from what I can find, they’re just a small school with only 2000 students. They have several D2 sports programs and have been around since 1959. Now Bay State is not really legitimate at all. They recently had a scandal where it was debated if they actually had the resources to give people degrees, only have 600 students, have a total graduation rate of 18% and a transfer out rate of 24%, and they’re literally just an apartment building. Imo they shouldnt even be allowed to compete, theyre not a nationally accredited college and are taking advantage of the CRL system

@prisma8525

Жыл бұрын

@@JWhiz I have heard that Northwood was bought out by private investors, one of them being a guy who bought their Florida campus and has a shady history of doing such things

@JWhiz

Жыл бұрын

@@prisma8525 wouldnt surprise me, seems like a lot of those small schools have some weird behind the scenes stuff going on. I was off about Bay States accreditation though, apparently it’s legitimate, theyre just a crappy school that gets awful reviews from former students. Theyre just there for the money not to actually educate people. Costs more to go there than a lot of actual good schools lmao

@kylesherrow7181

Жыл бұрын

Bro, I attend Northwood solely for the schooling and sports program and absolutely love it. Saying we aren't a legitimate school is wild. The opportunities we are offered here far outweigh public schools such as MSU and others.

In my opinion players should be forced to pick between RLCS and CRL, which will make it so the RLCS pros can't just apply to college and dominate CRL. Or you can put into place that you have to have been in College for at least 1 Year 6 Months or 2 Years

@ShadowReformed

2 жыл бұрын

i know freshmen playing and changing a team dynamic is a big thing rn, so idk how they would combat it by not letting them play even a whole semester

@thenayancat8802

2 жыл бұрын

Agree, orgs (including colleges) should only be able to field one roster (maybe more if more divisions are added) and players should only be able to play for one roster across all official psyonix events.

@joemcle6521

2 жыл бұрын

@@thenayancat8802 So a bit like what CSGO is doing? Or more like the old RLCS and RLRS?

@thenayancat8802

2 жыл бұрын

@@joemcle6521 I have no idea what CS:GO is doing

@joemcle6521

2 жыл бұрын

@@thenayancat8802 CSGO has an academy scene and a Pro scene, essentially when players in tge academy team they may be intergrated into the Pro team. So maybe esport orgs can sponsor CRL teams so then they make it an academy roster

Amazing video as always KEEP EM COMIN

@ShadowReformed

2 жыл бұрын

I GOT U

love these videos bro, keep it up

@ShadowReformed

2 жыл бұрын

appreciate it, keep grinding as well we'll see you on the main stage

Great content brother, always like learning more about the scene

@ShadowReformed

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed, more to come!

Maybe a rule of 1 pro per team but at the same time what classes as an rlcs pro, is it people who make the qualifier, people who make the main events or the top 8 or 12 teams that are actually competative and always make main event, because depending on how that's decided, could mean that Northwood would still be hockey, buddy and lion blaze due to where they place in events/regionals

@ittzar6032

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah this is what I was thinking as well, 1 Pro per team seems the best for this as even 2 pros on a team could still easily steamroll teams. I think firstly I would say any player in a Top 16 team should be an instantly consider as a pro. No ifs or buts. Secondly if the player has made a regional event I think they must also be considered as pro because not only do you have to get through open qualifiers were its not too uncommon for two closed qualifier level teams to cross paths but then to also get through closed qualifiers which requires you to finish in the Top 8 against all of the teams that also were good enough to get through all of the open qualifiers. Getting to a regional is as valid as you can get to being considered as a pro without being on a top team since you'll have beaten multiple good teams and then be playing against some of the best in the region The final criteria should be if the player has made back to back closed regionals or if the player has made regionals on 3 separate occasions. Making closed qualifiers once could probably be explained off with 'luck' of a favourable open qualifier run but I feel getting back to back kind of shows your above the level of the average GC and SSL level teams and rules out the theory that it was just 'luck' as you'd have to be in an extremely lucky team to get favourable matches that see you get to closed qualifiers twice in a row, at this point your consecutively beating high level competitive teams and rubbing shoulders with some of the best players in Rocket League that don't auto qualify for the main regionals event. I think same goes for getting there on 3 separate occasions, making pretty frequent appearances in the closed regionals I think should be enough to say your at the level of a pro since your getting yourself back into a position where you can get to play those top teams. (I think this criteria could certainly be tweaked a bit as its very on the line of what people may class as a 'pro') But yeah 1 pro per team sounds like a pretty fair rule, its just being able to define clearly what we are identifying as a 'pro player' which would be the difficult part as somethings will be very clear to highlight while others wont be as black or white and will need a lengthy discussion to determine

Can’t wait to see you pop off on KZread soon. Love the content!

@ShadowReformed

2 жыл бұрын

Appreciate it

Excellent video! I haven't really followed CRL so was really interesting to learn about it as well as finding out all this info. about the weird ruling. Definitely seems as though the CRL management has kind of made a bit of an error in judgement here. Hope it gets sorted soon because this definitely impacts the competitive integrity of the tournament. I don't think pros should be banned, that wouldn't really be fair in my opinion, they should be awarded the same opportunities as any other college attendee but they should most certainly be doing it with the intention of completing their studied etc.

@ShadowReformed

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! 100%

I think I’m with everybody here. As long as they’re actually getting a degree, I don’t see a problem with it. Psyonix probably should implement a rule where you need to be taking at least 15 credit hours with a 3.0 GPA or something to be eligible to play. That alone would be enough to limit people from just doing it for money. Because now you’re actually attending classes and trying to focus on studies to meet those requirements. It honestly wouldn’t be too difficult to take control of. Limit schools to 1 team per tournament and require the students to be taking a certain number of credit hours while maintaining a certain GPA. That’s pretty basic requirements for most college sports as far as I’m aware.

@YanDa739

Жыл бұрын

but what about in EU where you have many different countries each with their own grading system

@williammaxwell4172

Жыл бұрын

15 credits is a lot actually espesc for a STEM degree when '1 hour' labs can be 3-4 hours + 5 or 6 hours on the side. I'm a petroleum engineering major (who plays CRL for UT) and i had a lot of difficulty balancing school and life and CRL with only 14 hours

@PtylerBeats

Жыл бұрын

@@YanDa739 I don’t know lol I’m sure there are already current rules in these countries about college sports. Just use those. What I’m proposing basically already exists for other college sports in the US. There’s a gpa requirement and a credits requirement. Outside of the US, I have no idea. If there are rules for other college sports, use those

@VulcanTaxGuru

Жыл бұрын

Colleges on the quarter system wouldn't be able to handle 15 credits. Because they have more condensed classes, they can handle 9-12 credits max. Basically multiply the standard setup x 1.5 to understand the workload. So saying 15 credits minimum at a quarter system school is the equivalent of 22 credits at a standard school. Would be way easier to simply say full-time based on what the school requires. Doesn't solve the issue of a school creating a team for the sake of winning and ignoring the education, but it handles 99% of the schools.

Something I thought of. In college if a “student athlete” declares to become a professional in whatever sport they are they instantly throw away their eligibility to play college sports anymore by National Collegiate Athletic Association rules. (NCAA an American college organization thing). Although there’s not any rules about collegiate-professional eligibility in rocket league. But what confuses me is that this is a club sport per some universities. And sometimes club sports kinda have some weird eligibility rules, I think baseball is one of them (you could play as long as you were a student at the university (I think) while other main sports allowed 4 years/seasons of competition) I think. Someone confirm it or something cause I might be right or be really wrong.

@RC-sk5rg

2 жыл бұрын

Baseball is the same as other NCAA sports in terms of 4 seasons of eligibility. Club sports are different though because they don’t follow NCAA regulations. So yes, a lot of schools have “club baseball” but if you play “varsity baseball” you only have 4 years.

I remember playing a full CRL team, and they got super titled after one demo play. I hope their dreams get crushed every day by these full pro CRL teams

This is a very similar situation to College Disc Golf and I think DG came up with a phenomenal solution! I play both RL and DG and the same problem is with DG, for example lead card at Nationals was all sponsored players by huge DG manufactures like Innova and Discmania (i.e. getting paid) as well as their career earnings from tournaments outside of College DG. *But* you cannot be considered a "Premier Pro" to compete in College. A premier pro has many qualifications but the one that actually got a player disqualified last year was making $5,000+ within a single year over the past 5 years. He was booted from the tournament and along with his doubles team. I think this idea would be valuable in any up-and-coming College sport.

@tristonwilliams

2 жыл бұрын

looking at you, Ferris State. haha good to see a fellow RL and DG player. I played for University of North Texas and we had a player too at one point who also had to consider what pools he would compete in because of the cash max limit.

@PayPal68

2 жыл бұрын

@@tristonwilliams yup looking at them haha, I go to Kansas State. I think it's a good rule for a collegent sport, no baggers please 🙏

This stockton team was so good but also such nice people. Also, I think it's hard to differentiate what a real college is vs a small school vs not accredited etc. I personally think the differentiation should be separate leagues for scholarship/paid CRL players, and schools where it's a club team and good players just happen to go there. I think it's good for esports that we're seeing college scholarships being given out, and it's good some players can get an education in this way, but it also sucks for the single pros/bubble players who don't want to go to a crappy school.

It’s very simple. Only allow accredited colleges.

havent watched yet but its a cool topic already know its gonna be a banger😎

Song is Signal to Noise by Scott Buckley. It's soooo good.

Killer video!

@ShadowReformed

Жыл бұрын

thank you!

I feel like if they implemented a pass/fail play/suspension rule that might help a bit. That's what most collegiate sports teams do anyways.

I've never thought about looking at crl from this point of view. I'm going into my senior year of hs and I think my plan is to play in crl in college to help pay for college so it kind of sucks that pro players that may not be as invested In a genuine education can take advantage of this system but I also understand how it's hard because if it's like Daniel in a few years when he wants to get a degree and wants to go to like a school and play for them I think that's fine if rl is like a second thought and not like a college is only existing specifically to take advantage of the system

@Hydro-_-

2 жыл бұрын

I have a question because I am in the same boat as you. What rank are you I am nervous I am going to walk into my University and there are 3 SSL's just there and I don't even get a chance.

@trystonshuls7069

2 жыл бұрын

@@Hydro-_- I'm currently champ 2 in 3s and gc2 in 2s so I'm not too worried and most schools also have jv teams that are lower ranks. You could also find out the current players ranks on rl tracker if you find out their names

I think a good way to go forward is make rocket leauge a school club but in order to participate in these events they have to be going in person and follow every rule that a regular school athlete has

Most pros aren’t even old enough to play in CRL yet it’s gonna basically become RLCS in a couple years

i know this is old but i never thought about this. SO a pro player like daniel can go to college and still play CRL and dominate

This was the pitfall i was trying to avoid CRL falling into when i was helping develop the community with College Carball. Orginally CRL would have been just college students and they didn't even have to be at the same school. That hits different than school vs school esports, and our goal was to mold the culture to prevent events like that being considered "collegiate". CRL is definitely the greatest collegiate esports league, but it has definitely fallen far from its "golden days." I miss those days.

Imagine thinking a professional fighter is nervous fighting you because YOU have little to no experience when compare to a pro...

Loved the vid. I wish CEA (corporate esports association) started gaining traction from Psyonix. Our teams are not as good as CRL (high GC2ish), but it would be great to represent my company on the big stage

@psychwardsandSCENE

2 жыл бұрын

why would they want that at all?

I'd be interested to see if in time, the prime esports competitor shifts from being young teenagers to those in there mid to late 20's, making collegiate esports apart of the natural progression, much like the NCAA

@charlie-horse

2 жыл бұрын

With that being said, no. Pro players should not be allowed if esports ever dreams of being taken seriously on the main stage

Finally a upload

@ShadowReformed

2 жыл бұрын

ahaha about time eh

@stopleavemealone927

2 жыл бұрын

@@ShadowReformed yessir

As a player on a collegiate rocket league team, I agree with what most of everyone is saying here. If pro players legitimately are going to school, they should be able to play, but once schools try to recruit teams of pro players it gets much more problematic. If schools wanna try and recruit people who are good at rocket league(non pro players), no problem, but recruiting pro players is too far. My team loves the competition and looks forward to playing against good players and even having a pro player on the other team, but playing against a team like Northwood is not enjoyable in the slightest.

Very well made video, my school hosted one couple months ago. Thought a diamond III ain’t gon get far so I didn’t sign up🤣

Love how they say Europe is so far behind in the college league then they play against them an barely manage to win

@ShadowReformed

Жыл бұрын

they're behind in the sense of less funding, esports programs, and recruiting

If they legitimately go to that school and haven't moved just to play in CRL it should be allowed as they are just having fun while getting their degree.

They should raise the barrier for entry and create a JV/Varsity situation, where only the "varsity" team can compete, but only students who have, say, 16-32+ completed credits are allowed on "varsity". If pros couldn't sign on without completing a semester or two of classes, you'd think less pros and more genuine students would compete. Then, anyone in JV on their way to Varsity could scrim vs other JV teams, but not really compete.

I play for UToledo, it’s just disappointing to see I made a couple of years ago right when these super teams started getting made

I love how it was a small Michigan university that turned crl upside down

@ShadowReformed

2 жыл бұрын

they were definitely the pioneers for this whole new college esports recruiting.

I think there's a larger problem where Rocket League and a lot of esports in general have a reverse aging process. In the NBA or NFL, players have more of their peak still after college. College is used as a stepping stone to get into the big leagues. With Rocket League, 90% of the god tier pro players are between 15-18 and typically drop off as they get into their 20s, or the time when they enter college and graduate. So for college to be a stepping stone into the RLCS wouldn't really work. Although things may change as the game and player base gets older. It's still pretty new and things are still developing.

As someone who competed against players like TCorrell and the likes when I was on my collegiate team, I can't say it wasn't demoralizing getting beaten by a pro. However, if it had just been the fact that it was a pro, it wasn't that bad, but for someone like me who has to go online to my school because it's just cheaper and at the time of enrolling, I wasn't in the same state as the college it sucked. Not having to go to college online but rather just knowing that there were these teams like Northwood and Bay who were either essentially bankrolling a pro team while not even really being a school or just being a school that is just bankrolling a stacked pro team. I think there definitely should be rules and guidelines on these things because there were some really talented people on my team, and I think we could have gone far. Still, we ended up getting eliminated early because of a team that just bankrolled a whole pro team pretty much and just dominated the scene. So having guidelines that force particularly pro players to be online might be hard to implement without possibly ostracizing them or making it hard or impossible for actual online students like me to be able to compete if we wanted to. It's a very difficult situation that unfortunately, despite how difficult it is, still needs to be addressed.

I've always been a big believer that if you area in a team competing in RLCS it should immediately disqualify you from playing in CRL. It just takes away from other talented students trying to make a name for themselves because they are being heavily suppressed by already pro players now playing in an easier league. Its like if Tom Brady started playing on a college team now with some other NFL athletes. They would just dominate like its a joke.

@Thatwhiteblackkid

2 жыл бұрын

I disagree. I think it’s not like that at all actually. I think it’s more like if “(insert good quarterback name) went to college to play football” oh wait they did. They were really good to begin with in college because they were good in high school, but that didn’t prevent them from getting a roster spot on their college school’s team. It helped them get a spot on the team because the only things that matters are how old you are and how good you are. There are always going to be people who are very good at a sport that are also coming out of high school. They should also be able to play for the college they attend just like everyone else. At the end of the day, all it really does is raise the level of CRL competition. Nothing wrong with that. Being a pro in an esport is different from being a pro in a real life sport. In a real life sport, you get better with age until you’re in your late 20s or early 30s. While it would be unfair to send a late 20 year old or mid 30 year old pro basketball player to play in college, the unfairness stems from the fact that they’ve had a longer period of existence on this Earth to grow physically as well as learn and play the game itself. When people are the same age, however, it’s a lot more fair. YES pros in Rocket league do have more time to dedicate to the game than your average player, but that’s kind of the point. You want to raise the level of competition in collegiate sports so you give scholarships to people who have earned it by playing the most. If you want a roster spot, git gud. Don’t complain that “other talent isn’t allowed to shine” if that other talent isn’t on a high enough level. Success is earned, not given.

@ismaelvalentin2323

2 жыл бұрын

@@Thatwhiteblackkid but they didn’t have that experience of playing in the nfl agains the best in the nation. Whereas these crl players that are pros, play against pros all the time and then shit on kids that don’t play with pros 😂 it’s unfair

@cmdrfunk

Жыл бұрын

@@ismaelvalentin2323 Imagine Tom Brady taking a few classes and saying that he gets to play college football again

WHAT THESE PLAYERS FAIL TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT TO BE A COLLEGE ATHLETE ESPORT OR NOT TAKES MENTAL TOUGHNESS, SACRIFICE, AND DISCIPLINE. ALL SPORTS ARE A BUSINESS.

I feel like if someone is getting free entry to college for being that good at a game then its fine but the problems start when there isn't really a college and you're not getting the college degree. like making a "college" just to get into CRL and paying these guys to play for your college and then they don't even go to the college, they just play take their pay and leave. It just doesn't sit right with me to call them college teams when the team doesn't really associate with the college at all besides being on the team. It's like school basketball for 14-year-olds but they're allowed to bring in their big brother.

Just limit 1 RLCS pro per team. You covered it in the video. Just because they're pro doesn't mean they can carry a 3 man squad.

@ShadowReformed

Жыл бұрын

solved.

Very informational Common ShadowR W

@ShadowReformed

2 жыл бұрын

It should be one or the other but up to the players choice. Either play for CRL and be disallowed to play RLCS for a certain amount of time eg 1 year or vice versa, that way the player can choose the most benefit without being unfair to others

What they could do is, when a player won once he is not allowed to participate in CRL anymore. I mean when a student won money to make his life easier to pay off the students depts so should be an opportunity for others aswell. And when they are this good in RL they still have the chance to go pro.

This mirrors the NCAA. While the NCAA bans pros, they have deals with several pro leagues to not draft players before x amount of time after high school... meaning they're basically pro-ready or artificially inflating pro ability by making players wait. Hello Alabama, LSU, UGA, OSU,MSU,UM, etc. UGA had a guy come through with a third grade reading level, Malcolm Mitchell. He was a student at a top tier university? But yeah, I'd at least ban the players that make it past open qualifiers from being CRL. At least if they haven't retired for a full year.

In my opinion if they are old enough to go to college but go pro first they shouldn't be aloud the only way they should be able to play si if they arnt pro, become pro during college and stuff like that. Their only reason for going to college should not be for easy crl money is what I'm saying

There should be some application process for CRL colleges that checks some sort of minimum requirements. The focus should always be on the players, and getting their degree, not on the comp or prize money. 95% of the people who play CRL will not be playing pro videogames in 5 years, so CRL should be setting them up for afterwards, while still allowing them to interact with their hobby.

What if pros were not eligible to play for one year after switching. Either attend the school for one year and then play or just start at that school.

Lionblaze straight up bullied the competition

Maybe this is a crazy thought, but maybe now that RL isn't tiny any more, CRL should be an invite only league for schools. In other words, school have to be invited into the league, to ensure that the academics at said schools are up to par with the expectations of a real university. Cuz from this video, it really sounds like Northwood and Bay State are essentially just fronts for the CRL prize money. And obviously, students should be expected to be enrolled full time coursework (12+ credits) in person if possible. Also should have checks for staying in good academic standing, and being on course track for your degree, similar to what NCAA schools do for conventional sports. I hate the NCAA as much as the next guy, but you do have to admit that they do some things right. While there is corruption behind the scenes, they at least have the intention of pushing students through conventional classes and making sure they are on track to graduate with their degrees if they stay in college.

Once rlcs requires player salary (which I’m not sure if they do) then you should not be allowed in crl.

Dang I played LionBlaze once, dude is absolutely insane.

Idk if there's already rules/regulation for this but these players joining colleges just for CRL and existing CRL players should be held accountable like any other college athlete. A certain amount of classes minimum, a minimum GPA of ___, AND attending the school on/near campus. I think that would really trim out the players that are only playing for the money and not actually going for school.

Pros should be able to play on crl because the entire point of an escort is to have high level gameplay, which the pros are bringing to the league

My school started this about a month before i graduated smh.

well just think when people like first killer go to school, or daniel. they would probably wipe the floor with most collegiate teams, but it’s all fair if they’re going to school, and i mean if they’re the best i don’t see anything wrong with it tbh 🤷🏼‍♂️

@nopesnropes3679

2 жыл бұрын

If they have two like really solid teammates I agree. But most collegiate teams now at the higher level are all SSL and have weekly practices and scrims. The problem is when a school scoops up the pro players for the purpose of just giving them some money, because in that case they usually pick up a full roster. But for CRL players on average it is cool and fun to play against a team that has a pro and two other pretty good players. A fun test of skill, so ye I agree nothing wrong with it if they are going for a real degree, and none of the blame on the players, if the system helps them why not use it, Psyonix needs to make a rule of some kind.

Pros should be allowed to play as long as they are in college and meeting academic requirements for graduation. But the online thing shouldn't be allowed unless there are extreme circumstances that can't be worked around.

pros in this are good but i think it should be like imports in league of legends you have a limited amount of them per team for rocketleague this should probably be 1 as the pro would help the other 2 become pros by acting as a mentor

I don't know how I feel about it. On one hand, it's not fair, on the other hand, every college does the same thing for every other sport.

fun fact i go to northwood iv played rl since 2016 and have nearly 5000 hrs i didnt even waste my time trying to join there esports i know where i stand... also i have 6 classes 4 r in person they wont even give u options for in person... also midland is pretty boring

Kinda crazy how such drama exists in Michigan out of all stated lmao.

Berlin Phoenix has Tigreee. He was pro at NAVI. But we need to accept he is a college student......

@ShadowReformed

2 жыл бұрын

this is true, i mean he was featured in this video and as we saw they didn't even make playoffs so no unfair advantage there

@TheRealStringCode

2 жыл бұрын

@@ShadowReformed yeah, maybe mentality but in mechanics everyone the same

I think it would be very helpful to utilize a system similar to current collegiate sports. Divisions. Top basketball programs Duke, Kentucky, Kansas. They're basically already playing with pros on their team. This is fine. However, why doesn't CRL allow other schools with players who aren't SSL compete and have fun. In a similar way that there are division 2 and 3 leagues with playoffs/championships. I don't care about the money, I just want to play and have fun, but I can't do that if I'm not top 100 leaderboard it seems like

I've taken part in a few music competitions that force the winner to use prize money on music equipment, lessons, etc. so it can't just be pocketed. I think this would work well for rlcs. If the student already has all expenses paid for I think its fair to then give that money to the college who is required to use it to improve their education system. Obviously there would be tons of loopholes to cover but I think a system like this could help tremendously.

Players should have to attend the school for a minimum of 6 consecutive months, with a certain amount of current credit hours, and over a 2.5 gpa in order to participate. Also, one team per school.

Is there any regulation like NCAA where players have to be in good academic standing to be eligible? Not saying all are but some of these players would be putting in 50+ hour weeks on top of school

Wait what? Does the amateur requirement not apply for eSports? I guess not because it isn't a part of NCAA.

I think it makes sense to say if you’ve competed for money in rocket league (you’re a professional) you can’t play in the CRL, just like any other sport in college. College leagues are meant for amateurs bordering the pro threshold.

Professional sports already has a rule in place for this. If some one has played pro before they can not play at the collegiate level. Just follow suit.

Tons of misinformation in this video specifically multiple teams, online only needing “1-2” classes, bay state roster, Northwood roster etc.

what should happen is they bring the rlrs back and then the crl players get a chance to play in the rlrs and if they do good there then they should be able to play in the rlcs

0:23 His name is Bussy? bruh lol

It's beginning to end up like any other college sport

Lmao this all happened with normal sports as well. History always repeats itself

@christians2898

Жыл бұрын

Yeah not really 💀 NBA players aren’t allowed to play in the NBA and college at the same time.

@TipsyFGC

Жыл бұрын

@@christians2898 college players and their families have been getting money and gifts under the table for years. youre delusional if you think these college all stars arent paid

Idk bro I think there needs to be an amateur status needed or something. It does suck that teams with pro players tend to dominate this scene. And its likely that if you aren't at that level by the time you start college, then you will probably spend four years getting absolutely tanked.

This is literally just describing college sports as a whole. The main difference is Esports athletes don't have the same facilities or staff. But this is just how collegiate sports works...

I think two teams a school is fine, I think pro players are fine to play CRL (with ruling exception that they can’t play pro at same time), and I think online schooling is fine. There just needs to be rules to help prevent it becoming a second pro league. First major one, they have to go to that school, if online schooling only then they have to be schooling full time. And that’s probably it. Like if a school wants multiple teams with full time students then so be it. The more esports teams the better. Also ruling for the pro players, in normal physical sports athletes there’s actual rules preventing them from receiving gifts from schools, just transfer that rule to esports. They can get full scholarship and dorms sure, but no prize money for tourneys, no pay for playing. Just collegiate benefits.

The thing is 95% of Crl players are older than pros so we’re still not yet at the years where pros take it over

@ShadowReformed

2 жыл бұрын

yeah I feel like it's only a matter of time at this rate

i think pros allowed but only if they get liek champs or diamond tms like it makes sense?

As a CRL player I think if you are an RLCS player before crl you should not be able to compete in crl. You can’t go to the nba or nfl first then come back to ncaa.

this is also only an issue cause Stockon is not THAT good and are sad the competition is getting better

8k subs incoming o.o

@ShadowReformed

2 жыл бұрын

road to 10k

What a college esports team is just about the money? Who could have foreseen that coming, all other college sports are definitely about just helping students get educated and have some extra activities out if the class room and are absolutely not a billion+ dollar a year business.

It should be treated just like NCAA sports: if you have played a single official game in a league that contains players under professional contract, you are ineligible for collegiate play.

@LunaticSoldiers

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think I like this approach. If your scholarship is a full-ride based on your athletic ability, you should be allowed to finish it out while simultaneously being allowed to get experience in the real world. A single, official game doesn't cover cases where you're practicing with those teams, nor does it allow some leeway when you're scouted early on and kept as a Sub and then you're needed. You don't kick any other majors out of school because they take an internship either, for example. There has to be a better approach to this; even for the NCAA sports as well I think they should be revisited, but that is a different conversation.

full time at top 300 school

I think a someone who made it pro during school should be able to but the rest no, only way to make it fair I feel since a pro could wait a couple of years then join and take advantage of it

in my honest opinion, players on first semester of college shouldn't be able to attend the CRL (since the first semester is paid when you enter college.) After you decided to stay at that college, you should be able to choose between RLCS or CRL. Most pros that attend CRL would only attend it by lack of time to scrims and this type of thing. They shouldn't use College as an Excuse to win tournaments

Solution Is just only letting college students from that collenge play in the team, and for avoiding pros, (not washed ones) just make so they have to be some time without a pro team

@ShadowReformed

2 жыл бұрын

that's an interesting take, haven't thought too much about basing it off the LAST time you played in a pro match. Though I know a decent amount still agree that pros are okay to play under the right conditions

If the fellow collegiate players agree on letting pros play in person then I don’t see an issue with it. But if they aren’t committed to getting a degree and are just pocketing extra prize money then I see a huge issue with it.

This is so simple. Kids in College leagues should not be allowed to make any extra money beyond their tuition. This is how other college sports operate. For instance, a college basketball player at the top of the league is not allowed to make brand deals or do anything that would make them extra money. This should be implemented into CRL

@kevinhamilton2318

2 жыл бұрын

U can make money off ur image now