Years ago, a 70-year-old cabinet maker was selling all his tools. I got two router planes in boxes for about $30 for both. One was a Stanley and I think the other was Miller Falls. Both with full sets of irons. Plus a few extra irons he made himself. Really love how they work. I do reach for the Stanley more than the other one. I also got a No. 7 Bench plane in a case he made for it. The case is a thing of beauty in itself.

Now, you need to try Paul Seller's and Rex Krueger's router planes. Old timey wooden bodies.

@bluecollaruniversity

2 ай бұрын

Paul Sellers router plane is not only simple, I like that the blade is straight stock... Easier to sharpen.

I have used the Veritas router plane for some time, and I love it. I saw JKM’s video on his new router plane last year and he sold me… so now I have both, and used both on a major project (a pair of Mission style bookcases). I had both router planes out on my bench, and just picked up whichever one was handy for whichever dado or tenon cheek I was working on at that moment. After a while I realized I was reaching for the Veritas tool preferentially. Why? Because the adjustment screw on the Veritas turns the correct way, apparently. With the JKM I invariably move the blade up first when I want it to go down, and vice versa. Also, the finer control of the thread pitch on the Veritas plane is better… as anyone who hand-cuts tenons knows, a tissue-paper-thin shaving can be the difference between a perfect fit into the mortise and starting all over again with a new piece of stock. So I am probably going to sell my JKM router plane. Oh, and I don’t care about the controversies, China vs US/Canada, or whether JKM is a nice guy or not. I just like the Veritas tool better.

@GeeDeeBird

5 ай бұрын

Thanks for an actual, unambiguous opinion supported by objective fact.

@twcmaker

5 ай бұрын

I like this reply. At the end of the day it's how the tool performs and feels in use.

@josh8494

5 ай бұрын

Thanks for the input. I don’t care about the controversy, it’s just people looking for things to be angry about. I appreciate your summary on the function of the tools and their differences. It is a good write up and I think your points are well thought out.

For me the router plane has always been a cleanup tool. Take the bulk away however you want. Come in with a router plane to ensure a consistent depth of the groove. As long as the cutting iron is sharp, square and secure I'm happy.

@rickhayhoe

5 ай бұрын

Yes!

The thing that doesn't make sense to me is the price point. Manufacturing in china is cheaper, yes? Than why doesn't the price reflect that. Just like bridge city, they manufacture in china now, but their prices are ridiculous. When you pay for a Lie Nielsen, or a Veritas you know that they are providing safe working conditions and adequate compensation for their employees thus the higher cost to consumers.

@dwainlambrigger3769

5 ай бұрын

There are many variables in pricing. How many units does JKM order at a time? Double that number and I'll bet that pricing will come down. Just because something is made in China means it's cheap. It often is, but my belief is that China will build what you require, regardless of pricing. I would guess the same is true for Bridge City. I can't see a big demand for their products.

I’ll 100% buy lie-Nielsen and support and American company with tools made in America. When we buy something we are voting with our dollars and I choose to vote for companies that truly support the community and make their products in the states.

@grantwilliams630

5 ай бұрын

I just buy the tool that I like the best. I have a LN 102 that I really love and get a ton of use out of, but I also have a Veritas router plane that I think is way more comfortable to use than the LN and of equal quality. Buying a tool from any of the modern companies that make decent tools is a win IMO. LN has a great factory in the US with great quality control etc. but they also aren't really innovating in a massive way. They make a better version of the Stanley tools, but Lee Valley (through Veritas) is trying much more unique designs. I don't always like the unique designs they come up with, but I think it's really good for the space as a whole (plus PM-V11 is really nice).

@the_sharp_carpenter

4 ай бұрын

Veritas are cast, machined and assembled in Canada, so it's still a north american tool. Most of the wood you use comes from Canada so it's all good 😜

Having been in this industry over 40 yrs, I have seen a lot of "elite" people and their opinions regarding tools and techniques. If they spout off in my shop I take them over to the tool cabinet and have them ask the tools what they think. They always say "Are you crazy?" and I explain that every tool in that cabinet has MANY MORE YEARS of experience than they have and I value the tool's opinion much more than any of their time wasting elite talk. I have had enough apprentices to have heard every possible argument ad nauseum. Love seeing the new artist makers bunch doing their thing on YT. I am an old dog but always learning new tricks.

Made by Chinese manufacturer Hongdui. Hongdui is actually making good products with some innovative features. The Hongdui sells go $230 and the LN is $250. If your decision making is based on dollars, the KM could be your choice. For me, buying the best, US made and the difference is only $20, it’s a no brainer to get the LN.

@ENCurtis

5 ай бұрын

Absolutely fair point on which to make a decision.

My personal opinion is this. Everyone buys stuff from overseas, it is unavoidable. However when it comes to tools that I will buy once and hopefully pass down to my children I will absol-friggin-lutely buy a tool that is made in Canada (where I live) or US (if I lived there) compared to something overseas. That is a no brainer for me. As a Canadian the Veritas router plane is actually cheaper than KM’s (exchange, shipping, warranty, return etc) but even if it wasn’t I would still gladly pay more for domestic manufacturing (and I have for other tools) and in my experience the quality is second to none. I have regretted cheaper tools on many occasions, I have never regretted buying an expensive tool. Erik absolutely awesome discussion and another excellent video.

@RyanWattersRyanWatters

5 ай бұрын

100%. It’s the reason I buy JessEm as an American. The KM router plane isn’t about innovation and production quality; it’s about disproportionate profit margin, which comes at the cost of further moving all means of production overseas.

@chuckgrumble5440

5 ай бұрын

very important to me as well and I feel the need to snatch up USA made stuff before its too late!

@chipsterb4946

5 ай бұрын

@@RyanWattersRyanWattersyour comment hits the nail on the head. If I buy CCP made crap at Walmart, the price is significantly lower.

@TenaciousGeebs

5 ай бұрын

100% agree my friend. I am in the UK and will only seek out those hand tools which are either US, Canada or UK made, with no overseas manufacturing/assembly input. More than happy to spend the money to pay for good craftsmanship!

@ENCurtis

5 ай бұрын

Totally fair point of view from which to operate. And as a small American business, I appreciate you supporting small businesses. LV and LN both make excellent tools. You won't go wrong with either.

Contentedly clueless over this controversy. I do own a Veritas, works fine, a router plane is essential to me. A few months ago a friend gave me a cheap router plane his wife had bought off Amazon, I think for less than 40 bucks. A little while back I had the Veritas set for what would be a whole bunch of cuts to a specific depth. I set the cheapo up, required surprisingly little sharpening, the sole was flat enough for most uses so I put it to work. Terrible ergonomics, but the thing cut just fine. I never knew I needed a second router plane, but for the times I do, this will work. BTW, someone once said " Show me an unbiased human being, I'll show you a corpse." That might have been me. Thanks for keeping track of your own. Now go get back to the lumber rack and have some fun.

For someone who doesn't own a router plane this is an informative video, both in the history of the router plane but about the various models you reviewed. Good info on what you find to be positive features and negative features which is useful in choosing one of those planes, or a plane from a different brand as I now know for which features to check. Because you stayed with the differences between the planes, and what features you like, I didn't get a sense you were recommending one over the other, with the exception of the Stanley. So thanks for the review and history lesson.

Just last week i picked up a second hand but unused veritas router plane for 2/3 the new price, it was still in the box, the body was still wrapped in wax paper, the cutting blades and honing attachment were still sealed in their bags, so it was basically brand new, very happy with my buy. This comes after woodworking for several years, initially borrowing my dad's stanley when i needed it, and eventually making my own router plane with a block of hardwood, a veritas blade and some hardware as a covid project. I guess having two routers could have its advantages. I didn't know JKM had started producing his own, good for him, I'm aware of his channel, i just don't watch it very often. I think there's often a lot of "stay in your lane" elitism when it comes to the meeting point between people that do this for a living and people that branch out into youtube, I notice Rex Kruger is expanding his portfolio of products too, though his seem to be aimed more at workshop "aids" rather than outright tool making, and Rex has a different subscriber base than JKM i'd imagine.

Thank you for this video and your input. I alleviate hearing about experience with different tools, especially in what makes them unique. I also appreciate your style.

One of my morning pleasures is sitting down at the computer with a cup of coffee and learning from one of your videos. You have an marvelous style and presentation and I appreciate you sharing your experience and approaches. You also have a cooler coffee mug than me!

@ENCurtis

5 ай бұрын

Thank you!

Is there an award for best ad?? If so, you should win.

@ENCurtis

5 ай бұрын

much obliged my good man!

I made my own which is extremely useful with depth adjustment .

I’d buy that JKM. Looks beautiful.

Great review. I happen to own the Veritas and love it. Been woodworking fot 60 years and find most times similar tools come down to best price and comfort in use. Keep doing your videos like you do and I wish you success. The most anyone can expect from you is honest and frank opinions and you do that well.

There's a Wood by Wright video where he says that looseness in the depth adjuster in the Stanely is deliberate to give you that 'right' amount to increase your depth of cut. Maybe someone else has the link handy?

Because I am from Maine I bought the Lie-Neilson at their headquarters. No regrets. I figured though that if I bought the Veritas that I wouldn't really notice that much of a difference... At the end of the day I was glad to support a local business. Keep on doing your thing, I enjoy your videos! ✌️

As a very new woodworker, I started this video with no idea what a router plane was. Now I desperately want one. Eric, my wife is very angry with you for fueling my addictions.

Thank you for the video. Love the mug!😊

I have a Stanley large router plane No.71-1/2 (PAT D) mfg 10-29-1901 that my grandfather used, along with many other wood working hand tools he used in his early 20s. He was Born in Germany in 1879, migrated to this country, and became a citizen with his family . Apprenticed and worked as the cabinet maker. As a very young boy he schooled me in the use of these same tools. I inherited all of his hand tools and I plan on giving them to my grandson. I no longer use the tools but still work in my shop with up to date machine and hand tools. I am 86 yrs old and still build custom furniture now for family and friends

Great video. Definitely gave me some useful insight into these router planes. Thank you.

Another great video! Love your insights! Cheers

Thanks for this video! You've made it super clear which one I should buy with your strong opinions presented.

This was truly awesome. Thank you so much for it. I recently bought the Taytools version as my first router plane, mostly because of price point. Haven’t used it much yet so I'm not displeased in it, but based on your review I'm pointing toward the JKM when or if I replace it. You rock!

Didn't even realize there was a controversy. Personally, I think the more choices that are available (for any product), the better. It's better for competition, which makes the companies have to work harder, leading to more innovation. And I just like having choices. One of these is definitely on my wish list. Thanks for sharing!

@joshuagharis9017

5 ай бұрын

Absolutely, copyright stifles innovation. Corporate greed

@joshuagharis9017

5 ай бұрын

Look at medicines and generic meds

@tacticalskiffs8134

5 ай бұрын

The thing is that companies are competing for the nitwit dollar. I have been at this for 55 years, and really never need another new tool, though I did just drop a lot of money on some shinny stuff... For the most part, though, this is glitter to attract goofballs. Stuff for people my age, who didn't start woodworking until just the other day. They think that if their tools have a whole bunch of metal working dials on them, that they will be great at woodworking, and it isn't going to hurt anything. Let the cash flow.

Great Video Erik! I really enjoy the way you teach throughout

I like the hex bolts in the handles. Function over form makes the functional form become the norm.

Thanks for taking the time to make this video!

@ENCurtis

5 ай бұрын

Thanks jeff!

I had an issue with the blade on my JKM tool, I contacted them just wanting a replacement blade. They sent me a whole new plane and 2 new blades. The support was excellent, great company to deal with.

Curtis, I very much enjoyed this video and your take on the subject matter. Personally I use the Veritas as my work horse but I have the mini version from Lie-Nielsen that I use a ton as well. Again, good job and keep up the great videos.

As a Canuck, I’ll always lean towards Veritas. Canadian owned, operated and built 👌

Would love to hear thoughts on wood body routers, a la Paul Sellers or Rex Kruger, both of which have plans and kits available. I have parts for a Sellers, just sitting behind a bunch of other projects.

FWI: 1. The edge guide on the Stanley locks into the grooves in the base. It doesn't just swivel around. 2. The open mouth clears (is not impeded by) any shavings at the end of a stopped dado so as to allow the blade to cut to the end of the dado without having to stop and remove shavings. If I didn't have two hand routers already I'd buy J. K-M's in a flash. Great tool. Great price.

Well done video and well produced. Best integration for a sponsor I have ever seen so far.

@loubonaparte5063

5 ай бұрын

you mean best sucking up you've ever seen??? lol

@loubonaparte5063

5 ай бұрын

Having said that... your skill and knowledge is vast, and I simply can't look away.... I just wish you'd change your style a smidge because I feel your skills far outweigh your gimicky presentation... great hair and beard though!!!! and Bi's and Tri's....lol.... Call you man of mystery.

Great review, wonderfully crafted video! Thank you. 👍 but . . . you left out The Mighty BenchDog! 🤣 I mean, after all . . . Rob Cosman reviewed the Benchdog and gave his approval! So I bought the BenchDog for 68.00 ON SALE and lovin' life. Makin' things. 💪

Excellent video today thank you. I own the Lie Nielsen and I also own the Veritas miniature router plane now that one is my favorite 😊

Qualification - I'm cheap. I hardly buy new tools but when I do, and sometimes unsuccessfully, I look at the metal quality and the ability to sharpen the tool. Address in future tool videos this it would help me. I really like the video.

Nice. Great little product comparison.

My 1st new mfg plane was the L-N router. I had made a router with a Veritas blade & later purchased the medium Veritas router to go with it. I like them both. The depth stop slips on both more than I'd like. Paul Sellers and Rex Krugar both have router kits that are worth checking out.

Really appreciate the video. I had decided that a router plane was my next purchase. I was stuck in analysis paralysis and as with most other tool purchases, once you get to higher levels, it really is personal preference.

@ENCurtis

5 ай бұрын

once you get past budget, personal preference is 100% of the game. They are all essentially the same from a function perspective.

Great video! As usual ! Thanks

Timely, was considering buying a router plane soon. Thank you!

Thanks, I needed this video!

Love your maturity. Great video!

That is a great comparison. I like routerplanes. Ever since i made my own, i started collecting video's about making routerplanes in a playlist. I will add this one to the list, as it give great perspective on the tools. If people want to make their own routerplane, the list is a helpful resource. Cheers!

@ENCurtis

5 ай бұрын

Thank you! Glad you found it useful.

From an old school Brit very well done. I would just like to say I purchased the Stanley in the late 1950s in Britain there was no real choice of manufacturer. I have noticed from your video the plane or should I give it its very old name "Old Woman's Tooth" is now used for complete removal of the joint wood, in my day that was the job of a cranked chisel if producing a straight slot. The Stanley was used for levelling the bottom of the slot to the required depth. As for sharpening the blade, a standard oil stone for the flat bottom and a small slip stone tor the the top angle. Modifications done on mine over time, the adjustment thread and nut were changed to Metric fine thread and the adjustment nut made larger out of Brass also I have forgotten the number of times it has hit the floor being knocked of the bench . So just another slant on a well talked over subject, food for thought I did say at work in my younger day that I was going to purchase one of those new DIY electric hand drills one older and wiser worker said to me "They did not have that type of thing in Chippendale's workshop and we still cant come near his quality today".

Thanks for reviewing and providing a great overview. I been looking at buying a new router plan and thought in was going to buy the LN as I have 6 of their planes and love the quality. JKM might be the winner due to adjustability.

Well presented. Thx.

What was in that coffee cup, you're having a conversation with a cartoon sun! BTW the Stanley had BOTH an open throat and a throat closer and the one you were waving around had slots in the base to keep the fences straight. Those are both things you said it didn't have.

Awesome video

Being 82 and on a strict budget, I have the Bench Dog version of the Lie-Neilson which suits my needs just fine. If I find I need a narrower blade I could buy either of their $50.00 adaptor inserts to buy a $50.00 Veritas blade, or just buy Bench Dog replacement blades at $20.00 and spend a little time at the bench grinder creating what I need. By the bye, looking at the difference of the shaft shapes between Stanley, Veritas and Lie-Neilson, I think the square shaped blade shank pressed fully against the shaft offers the sturdiest, most stable and chatter-free option if you have to extend the blade much more than ¾" to 1" below the base, which happens with an aux. base.

A pleasure as always dude. Love the honesty. Love the video 🤙

@ENCurtis

5 ай бұрын

Thank you.

I inherited a Stanley 71 and 271 from uncle that was a carpenter all his adult life. The open throat 71 was missing the front bar. He probably threw it away. I don't miss it.

For me the Veritas is not that great. I bought it 3 year ago. First of all, I never thought, that the size would be my main problem. I like to clean tenons with it and because it is smaller than my stanley and the handles are agled, it is very difficult to maintain a solid stand on the board that's beside the tenon. The second problem and maybe it was specific on my plane was, that the locking mechanism never got to the point, where the blade did not move when I was working. Every time the blade had to took off more then a hair thin shaving it wanderd downwards. THe plane was bought new, but I fast came to the decission to sell it and try a used stanley instead an it fits my need better and holds the blade. I thin the Lie Nielson blade will hold excelent in the cast whole, but never tried one. Maybe it's personal preferense but for me, a good used standley was the better investment for me. But if the Veritas serves you well, it's the right one for you. I think at the end I am not into tool wars anyway. get the tool that fits your need, test some different and if the things you want to create are possible to creat with the tools, it's the right tool for you. Like your content, great work. The Katz-Moses Version is all over the chinese sites and in the same style as customer brand in europa at Dictum too, so it's a very close call, that the all came out the same factory in China with different names.

Great review

The under-mounted fence on the Stanley 71 is actually captive in the two grooves which keeps it perpendicular to the blade

A couple of months ago, I got a great fleamarket buy... A Record version of the Stanley, in excellent condition, for £5 (~$6.30). (I'm not a furniture maker, just a DIY guy, and it's plenty good enough for me.)

@ENCurtis

5 ай бұрын

Hell yes dude. Love a good flea market find!

I truly had no idea people are irked about JKM making tools. That's... weird. I love the things I've gotten from him, and I think he's a good dude doing good works.

Well just thanks a lot!!!! My wife was listening in on this podcast and started laughing herself silly. She now calls me an SNOB! I have to admit I do hold turners, carvers, scollsawers (is that a real word), and (spit on the floor) CNC users less than real woodworkers. I have been designing and making furniture for decades and now have to admit I have become an elitist. I don't mind being humbled but this is the last time I am listening to your podcast without headphones. My wife and not stopped calling me a snob!!! LOL! keep up the good work. Now where is my Scotch?

@contestwill1556

5 ай бұрын

your caviar, sir

Thanks for saving me money! I actually didn't know these existed until I saw your video. I was about to buy a power router, because i need to make a few grooves, and well tools always come in handy. But instead i bought a Veritas miniature plane. Because it's big enough for my current needs, and no noise!!

Great comparison Erik. I have an old, in the box Miller Falls router plane in good condition, but it's time to upgrade. I like the Katz-Moses, but the threads being a little coarse and left-handed is a stopper for me, plus I like supporting domestic products so I'm going to get the Veritas or Lie-Neilson version. Thanks for the video.

Love the comparison! I love my Veritas router plane. The removable blade was a huge improvement and made sharpening easier. I never thought about the depth stop, mostly because I use my chisels for more refinements. The splayed knobs made routing with my router plane a joy. I don’t know why people hate on JKM. He seems to care about those getting into woodworking and he sells tools that are high quality and good for newbies. It’s the same reason he pushes for Suizan (good saws but I love my Gyokucho). My tools make me happy and I respect JKM who wants newbies to be happy.

@MrBertstare

5 ай бұрын

they might see through the BS and see him for the type of person he really is. Do some digging, ask around its not good.

@HopeStreetWoodworks

5 ай бұрын

Because he partners with a company that steals the intellectual property of other manufacturers.

@MrBertstare

5 ай бұрын

@@HopeStreetWoodworks I dont want to influence your opinion but do a little digging about his personal life and you will see a pattern.

Great neutral review on all of them. Pros and cons of each. I appreciate when after explaining your preference, you explained why someone may have a different preference. We May have the same muscle memory for this action but opposite muscle memory for a different action.

Nice. More of these videos. I, personally, have not enjoyed good customer service from a JKM purchase. That would be the deciding factor for me. Veritas and Lie Nielsen customer service is outstanding. You can buy them with confidence.

Thanks for the video - much appreciated! I have not read all of the comments, but I think one of biggest controversies was that Hongdui/JKM made what appeared to be an exact copy of the Veritas base. The one in your video is version 2. I purchased version 1 the day JKM announced it because I liked the zero backlash adjustment which I think was an improvement to the router plane. Version 1 also does not have the depth stop. Had they started with version 2, like the one you are showing, I think there would have been a lot less controversy.

I have the JKM mallet. It's awesome. The router plane is on my buy list...

The movement on the Stanley is a feature, not a bug. Take your shaving, keep the collet tight and lower the depth adjuster until it bottoms out on the blade. Then loosen the collet, it will drop slightly and retighten. You'll now be at the perfect depth for the next shave. Also, I think that you misread the dislike of the JKM. I think it largely has to do with the partnership with Hongdui. In the manner of pretty much every Chinese factory out there, the first thing they did was unbrand it and put it on Banggood for 160 bucks. This is typical for Hongdui. They have a direct rip-off of the Veritas dovetail guide, they ripped off the Jessem table saw guides, Bridge City's kerfmaker. It's just what they do, let someone else do the IP work and then blatantly rip it off and undercut them on price. JKM feeding into Hongdui feels like not just a betrayal of western companies, but something that will discourage innovation and hurt woodworkers in years to come. It's just not a good thing.

@dereklong801

5 ай бұрын

If its not patented its fair game.

@riba2233

5 ай бұрын

How can it discourage innovation when it improved upon the original design? It is not a copy lol, it is a high quality product that offers added benefits over the "original" one.

@lawrencedeleurere4427

5 ай бұрын

@@dereklong801 If it is patented, it's also fair game from Chinese manufacturers. China requires that all patent claims be resolved in their courts. They fine any entity operating in China up to 100 thousand dollars a day for bringing patent claims against Chinese companies in foreign courts. Chinese courts are not known for being friendly to foreign companies. So let's say Jessem wants to sue Hongdui for patent infringement. They have to sue them in a Chinese court or risk millions in fines from the Chinese. I suppose that it's possible that Chinese courts could honor patent infringement cases from Jessem, but you run into issues that the Chinese system requires the patents be registered with the Chinese patent organizations. Western industries claim that often, local manufacturers will beat them to the punch and register copycat patents in China of Western patents. It's really not fair game in any sense of the term.

@lawrencedeleurere4427

5 ай бұрын

@@riba2233 It discourages innovation because it lowers the amount of reward Western companies see from their original innovation. If a company spends say 1 million dollars on developing a product, they need to see at least 1 million dollars in profit from that product to make the research worthwhile. Pretend for a moment a world without Chinese copycats, a company might estimate that it can sell 100 thousand units at 15 dollar profit and make 1.5 million, for a profit of 500 thousand. Now we have a world with Chinese copycats that cuts the number of units the original company can sell in half so down to 50 thousand units as people instead want to buy the cheap Chinese knockoff. This leads to a profit of -250 thousand dollars, so the original company will say, it's not worth it to invest in researching a new tool because we'll take a loss on it. That's how it discourages innovation.

@riba2233

5 ай бұрын

@@lawrencedeleurere4427 rofl, you live in a fantasy land. So if you see a design, and have the idea to improve it (or you know, actually innovate?) and sell the improved version, you should never be able to do that? How is that good for the innovation on the market please explain. Also if they made a 1:1 copy with no improvements I wouldn't say anything, but cmon.

I use a Veritas and a very old Stanley that doesn't have a depth adjuster. I set and *mark* my baselines with the Veritas. I hog out the waste with the Stanley, which is quickly adjusted with hammer taps, and do the final clean-up with the Veritas. I love this system.

I like the cut at 4:35 :). I saw the screw get turned around after the cut.

Beginner woodworker here. Literally just yesterday found a new-in-box Stanley in my late FIL’s shop. Then I watch this video the next day 😆

it is what it is. Love the mug.

Properly Educated Jointers, I like the sound of that ! Thank you for all your time and effort. Yours, 1 in 7..

I made my router plane from a piece of oak firewood. The blades are made from large hex keys and held in place with a steel dowel pin and thumb screw. The depth adjustment is a ring with thumb screw. The wood is an elbow, so he grain follows the front. Part of the top is live edge. The thing is, it actually works quite well. I can affix a plastic laminate shoe protector with carpet tape later if I want.

I love you address your biases and you did it in such a friendly way. I also LOVE how you start with the point that Stanley just took a proven set of design options from a tool that existed in some form to mass produce…just like the more modern versions. I have an older refurbed “no-name” router plane that’s perfectly functional but would make a purchase to support someone like JKM because I like his content and drive to innovate and support this community.

@jimcarter4929

5 ай бұрын

It looks like an Australian company is making a metal version of Paul Sellers plane. Same blade design, same locking design, pretty much a copy. I think Vic may be selling them in Canada and the U.S.

The ad was pretty clever.

Sir; I have only one and it's a sargent. I have only had this one and never saw the need to buy a fancy one. I bought this one for $20.00 35 years ago and it does what I need it to do.

👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻good revue, thanks

Thanks for sharing, love the cup.

I'm in Northern & bought the Katz Moses version recently. My first router plane. It has changed his I work and made my housings & other journey so much more accurate. I love it. My only complaint is that even after paying postage & shipping with KMT, I was charged an import fee by the delivery service. This added £50 (circa 75 usd) just to receive the package. Has made me reluctant to order additional sizes of blades

@ENCurtis

5 ай бұрын

Totally fair. Glad it has been a good tool for you though!

The slop in the Stanley adjustment is actually a feature. With the blade tightened in place you can move the adjuster down a tiny amount, then you loosen the iron, and it falls the amount you moved the knob. Then tighten up and proceed. That was their system of micro adjusting.

5 ай бұрын

someone's been watching Wright :) Tested the slop feauture and damn, wish I knew it sooner

@AnonymousUser1776

5 ай бұрын

Exactly right….. er…. Wright.

@ENCurtis

5 ай бұрын

Fair enough. Still not my preferred method, but I can appreciate that approach.

thank you EN . how funny thanks . i like the kat too. hope all goes well for you both.

great job. Just an FYI, the KM plane is on sale right now. I think $189 range. I am still not ready to buy one, but I am new to woodworking and learning a lot!

Nice review. If I didn't already have 2 of the Veritas routers I would be inclined to pickup the JKM as well.

I have had the Veritas model for 10 or so years and it has been a reliable tool with no surprises.

I bought my Veritas router plane because i thought the angled handles were more comfortable (the KM one didn't exist at the time). I've been super impressed with it, but I doubt you could go wrong with any of them.

Depth Adjustment All you need is a loose leaf binder of shins with a central cutout to go under the casting and both sides of the blade. Pick the right shim e.g. 1/10,000 of an inch, loosen the collet and hold the casting and blade pressing lightly downward. Then retighten the collet, licking the blade 1/10000” lower. Remove the shim and the blade will accurately plane out /10000” for you. Works with el cheapo Stanley and the fancy costly variants equally well. Obviously this only needs to be used for finalising the dado as the adjustment will be coarser down to the last 1/1000” or so.

I have a router plane...just a cheap one that I got off Amazon and it works well for my needs. But I completely agree that it is a necessity in the shop. As to the topic of "design ripoff" I don't see it as stealing per se. Innovation is essential and what JKM has done with his router plane is what he feels makes the tool better. Is it for everyone? No, certainly not. But it works for him and for at the very least thousands of others in the craft. And that's ok. To each his own as they say 😁 Great video as always. You have become one of my favorite fellow creators. The topics you cover and the way you cover them is truly inspirational. Cheers!

Thanks Erik

@ENCurtis

5 ай бұрын

Thank you sir!

Another thing to consider is the cost and availability of accessories for the plane. LN, Veritas, and JKM all offer replacement blades of differing widths for their planes. This allows cutting a narrower dado than can be done with their standard blades. Veritas offers the greatest number of differing widths -- both narrower and wider than the standard blade. Each brand offers a fence for their router plane. (The JKM comes with a fence.) Veritas also offers an inlay cutter head for their plane. (Currently, the other two do not.) The inlay cutter head makes it easier to cut the shallow groove for inlaid banding or stringing. Of course, if all you'll be doing with the router plane is truing up tenons and cutting 1/2" or wider dados, you'll never need or want any of these accessories. But, if you think you MIGHT want the flexibility to use your router plane to cut narrower dados and grooves, or even for inlay work, you'll want to consider what accessories are available for the plane you are considering buying.

Hardly controversial I would have thought, but simply an excellent summary comparing the pros and cons of these editions of this interesting tool. Glad to have clicked the bait. Thanks for the video.

You did a KILLER job on the plane. I have the KM and the Veritas…. I use them both & both are set up differently. Good Job! The Veritas with all the extras is a very expensive investment. However, when you learn how quickly you can use all the irons… worth every penny. Thats why I bought both of them. The KM is SWEET. The Veritas is just sooo COOL and we all know that counts. Well Done! You use the knob or nut properly. My dad had that plane. I have it and never use it…. Dont STUB your open toe!!!

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I'm still split but now with a lot more questions on another level but trying to help answer some myself. If you're not sure which way the adjustment knob on the Stanley goes maybe glancing at some of the other planes might help except some of them have a larger diameter knurled knob for ease of use and only goes on one way but which position does the Stanley more closely resemble? The counterclockwise adjustment of the one plane makes it proprietary requiring you to get a replacement knob from the maker as well as their cutters for their 2 bar adjustment guides. Same maker thing goes for square cutter stem being parallel with the the blade or rotated 45 degrees. I'd go with the clean hex key rather than a chewed up slotted screw fastening the blade to the stem or on the handles. As for vertical vs. splayed grips the knobs are round allowing you to hold the knobs anyway you want. I noticed you placed your hands palms down on the splayed ones but palms facing on the vertical routers but could also use palms down. Actually on the splayed ones you could also use them with palms turned out helping to eliminate gutting yourself with elbows on the pull stroke. Don't know if casting the bridge across the cutter throat or placing vert. handles isn't just as difficult or easier as casting splayed handles would have been. As for you being a furniture maker or a KZreadr we would need to see your footwear to decide. Shoes or sandals? LOL

I have an LN. I was curious to see how you compare tools you can make from a block of wood and an Allen wrench ground to a point. I don't see measuring scales as a feature as if I really need precision to match a cut, then I just adjust the tool using the original cut, set the depth stop and work my way down to it. I'm ok with KZreadrs making money selling tools. I like JKMs content, but his tool seems more fancy than anyone needs, but the price is good. I received my LN as a gift, but I have made my own in the manner I mentioned above. but I'd use any of the ones mentioned. Good work.

I like the wider footprint of the LN for being able to micro-adjust like, a whole tenon. but, great video!

Thanks for this great video. I am in the market for a router plane. In my younger days, I gravitated towards keeping all of my tools in the same few brands. Trying to make complete sets. It was just an OCD thing I guess. Now that I am older, I tend to mismatch more when there is a better option. I didn't even know JKM made a router plane. I think I may go that route. I like the removeable blade, the depth stop design, and the dual rod runner system. It just seems that it would be more stable in use.

@heystarfish100

4 ай бұрын

I purchased the KM-17 Pro and have just recently received it. I did not purchase it because of this video but by introduction from Jonathan. I own many Hongdui woodworking tools and each of them are of exceptional quality and value. I had no reservations on this tool and in hand the build quality is again extraordinary. As far as being a Chinese made tool, many of my hand held power tools, I.e. Milwaukee brand are all made in China. In a world where the market is becoming more and more competitive worldwide it is in my opinion Veritas and Lie-Nielsen have sat on their hands.

uhhhhhh, anyone else hallucinate an animated sun in this video??? def worth the sub.