The only truly innocent one in this whole mess, besides the children is Helaena

@roguechevelle

5 күн бұрын

Exactly. Even Rhaenyra recognized she is an innocent & of all people she would never do this to her. I feel really bad because no one was even trying to understand or listen to Helaena's warnings or at least her fears I mean she had no guard thanks to Cole, I know she speaks in riddles mostly & perhaps she doesn't know how to communicate her premonitions or even understands them fully (I personally think she is Neurodivergent or on the Autism spectrum which could contribute) but people just ignore her entirely.

@CommonDaeze

3 күн бұрын

Helaena’s great

When Otto said that he loved Jaehaerys, too, that felt like the most cold and loveless sentence of the whole episode, like there wasn't an ounce of love in it; the only thing he thought about that death was how to use it to adantage, and he showed no understanding for anyone having an actual real emotion about a death.

@hungnguyennang1251

5 күн бұрын

Much disagree, can we say Elicent does not love her grand children just because there are no scenes that show her playing or hugging them? Otto might be truthful about what he said, we might not know that either. But as the Hand, he must do what he must, to the greatest extend. He was one of the greatest Hands in the history. Whatever he did and advised, as shown in this episode, was wise. And wisdom is the single most important quality of a ruler - said Tywin Lanister, GOT 4x3.

The dynamics of parent-child bond between Otto and Alicent is reflected onto Alicent and her own children: Aegon, Haelena, and Aemond. Alicent never received compassion, warmth, affection, and sympathy from her dad; hence, she is unable to offer such actions and emotions toward her own children. She tries to confess her sins to Otto but he doesn't have the time for Alicent, his own daughter. For Otto, everything is about practical usage and rationality, no emotion and no feelings. As such, Alicent tries to justify her actions to Haelena, unable to fathom her daughter's state mind slowly descending into psychotic breakdown. Since Alicent is unable to provide comfort for her children having received none herself from her father, her children seek it elsewhere by themselves: Aegon cries by himself in anger and despair, Aemond seeks comfort in brothel, showing regret for his past actions.

@phoenixfox2697

6 күн бұрын

I kinda got the sense that Otto knew what she wanted to confess, but much like Viserys didn’t want to hear about Rhaenyra, Otto didn’t want to hear it.

Acting was 10/10 this episode, particularly Tom Glynn-Carney and the Twins.

My favorite reaction to Cole failing upwards so far 😂

@roguechevelle

5 күн бұрын

Same.

Rhaenyra and Deamons scene + Ottos scene with aegon and cole = absolutely brilliant and powerful. Acting top tier

I watched a Buzzfeed video where they interviewed the cast. The guy asked Matt Smith "Who's the rogue prince?" Matt turned to the camera and said "Prince Harry!" then started laughing. I love him!😄

"well you did want Aemond's" Aemond ain't a child, nor is he innocent 🤣 Also brilliant timing on Cole "at least he's self aware" almost immediate cut to him projecting all his sins on another Kings Guard which led to that guards death and the death of his brother. Brilliant! 😅

I’m so sick of Criston Cole just failing upward ugh fuck that guy!! I wished that Aegon and Haleana could have comforted each other in losing their baby, Alicent sure as hell ain’t consoling her kids 🙄

@thaispereira7311

6 күн бұрын

Since when Aegon care for Haelena?

@owenbridgers

6 күн бұрын

Oh please hop off my goat Cole

@ZeZeMichael

5 күн бұрын

Cole is loyal easy to control, and Aegon is so desperate to gain it.

cast , script , production , acting , everything is good , I know what happens and still I want to watch . It's kind of amazing

I dont see aemond as a bad character tbh, he was bullied by his brothers and cousins. Grew up with a brother who was pushed to be king even though he didn't want to. Got his eye cut by the same cousin who bullied him. A mother who doesn't care about him. I feel bad

Ser Eric apologizing for killing himself because of how it broke his heart to kill his twin to protect his queen was hard hitting.😢

I really hate how the greens especially Alicent and Otto just gloss over the fact aemond killed Luc like they don’t care and there was no punishment. Rhaenyera should’ve sent a letter to Alicent saying if they want peace then they should hand over aemond for the kinslaying.

@leeshropshire6346

5 күн бұрын

To be fair alicent did include him in her prayers it’s obvious his death has disturbed her greatly

@ottovonbismarck7742

3 күн бұрын

And what punishment daemon get for killing the heir to the Iron Throne, a TRUEBORN Targaryen, a 4 years old child?

Daemon did kill his first wife, though. I think he's even worse than anyone else thinks.

@Blinkptx

6 күн бұрын

Oh, I'm well aware he's a dark grey character, definitely not a good guy, but he's the bad guy I want on Rhaenyra's side. He's a problem for the greens.

@TheRani2024

6 күн бұрын

@@Blinkptx We agree on that! :) Most favorite bad guy in a series since.... Homelander?

@justbeyondmythoughts

4 күн бұрын

This is a show change though and it’s bs cause he was nowhere near the Vale when it happened and she was alive for weeks

@havealaugh2372

2 күн бұрын

@@justbeyondmythoughtsyeah but they also changed laenors book ending, it’s likely he was involved in his death to get Rhaenyra

here's my 2 cents re:Daemon. we hear the phrase "a son for a son" 2 times. the first time it's in ep.1 when he asks Raenys to go with him to kill Aemond and Vaghar. the second is from Blood & Cheese. it is clear to me that Daemon told them the phrase when he instructed them. we didn't hear him say it, which means that there was more to that conversation that we didn't hear. Raenys remembered the phrase, put 2 and 2 together and immediately knew that Daemon was behind the attack. so far so good. now, what did Daemon mean when he said "a son for a son"? did he mean just Aemond? did he also mean Aegon? did he mean ANY son? based on how smug Daemon is afterwards, I can only conclude that he either 1. wanted things to turn out as they did or 2. didn't much care who died as long as blood was spilled (not unlike Aegon when he killed all of the ratcatchers). now, why did he insist it was a "mistake"? maybe he realised that he had messed up. or maybe he didn't want to reveal his hand and tried to manipulate Rhaenyra. in any case, I don't believe him. Rhaenyra is right to never trust him fully. Daemon remains my favourite character - we love to mistrust him ^^ Omn1 was right to say that we can never hate Matt Smith as Daemon

THIS SHOW!!! I love how we can all come together to hate on Criston Cole

Notice how Alicent makes everything about herself in this episode. She’s ok with Helaena being a part of the funeral but when Otto says she has the be there as well she said she doesn’t want to be a spectacle. Also bringing up her affair to her clearly grieving and agitated daughter after telling her the baby’s body is going to be paraded around as some sort of PR move.

My favorite quotes🤣🤣 : *aggressive silent mouth movements* no …No……NO and “Hit him” 👏 “Hit ‘em again” 👏 👀

2:05 - There is so much symbolism in having Aegon destroy the model his father built. So much time, effort, careful planning, and love put into crafting it…. Much like Viserys’ rule, his devotion to being a good and peaceful king. Aegon has come along and destroyed everything his father built this episode, both the model and the kingdom itself.

@jaanfo3874

3 күн бұрын

Also, 29:26 - She didn’t even say “I want Aemond’s head”. She said “I want Aemond Targaryan”. That’s open wide enough for interpretation. It could mean she wants his head, it could also mean she wanted him captured and brought to her alive.

5:33 I'm sorry, when did Rhaenyra demand Aemond's head? How did she instigate this? She said, "I want Aemond Targaryen" just after she'd returned from finding whatever remained of her son when she was grieving. She didn't even say she wanted him dead and even if she did, it doesn't make her in any way responsible for the death of Jaehaerys. What Daemon did is entirely on him. Like Rhaenyra says, "I think you used my words as an excuse, to take your own revenge."

King Aegon the kind 😍😍 always taking care of his family, respecting the castle maids, does not participate in that fighting pit filled with kids and loving the smallfolks especially the rat catchers ❤❤❤❤❤ and Ser Cole the dutiful, hand of the king, true to his oath, doesnt sleep with anyone, takes resposibilities for his mistakes and does not hold grudges for 20 years ❤

@ottovonbismarck7742

3 күн бұрын

Not nearly as good as Rhaenyra the chaste, having 5 beautiful trueborn sons, definetely not stealing inheritance rights of driftmark and sparing lives of true heirs of velaryons and not seducing every guy around who possibly has a c*ck, including her own kin🥰🥰🤩🤩

@ottovonbismarck7742

3 күн бұрын

Should I point out how great and admirable and just his uncle-husband is 🤤

Even tho I literally just watched the whole episode, I just love following up by watching your reviews! It helps getting a recap on stuff I miss and I always find myself laughing at your reactions. Keep it up Omni!

In the behind the scenes of this ep they showed how they created the slain child for the episode. It’s a full cast made from a model of the actual little actor. Also since Helaena is a dragon dreamer, I think she WAS seeing something during the funeral. She looks up and sees the falling grain and looks to the sky... it looks like the ash that falls after Daenerys sacks Kings Landing in the finale of GOT. I think Helaena saw a vision of her flying over the city and immediately understood that she was witnessing the destruction of the city by a dragon. In the opening credits of the show, you see a tapestry. . I think a tapestry made by Helaena herself. If you look carefully there are glimpses of the original GOT showing Dany throughout her life ending in the sacking of KL.

I don't like how they glossed over Luke's murder and Aemond being a kinslayer

@TimberlakeTigerGirl

6 күн бұрын

The difference is that was a freak accident. Resulting from the two losing control of their dragons. But Jaehaerys, a toddler practically, was brutally killed and his body was desecrated.

@vadalia3860

6 күн бұрын

@@TimberlakeTigerGirl It wasn't an accident. Aemond chased a middle-schooler to terrorize him with a flying WMD he knows he can't completely control. It was murder.

@TimberlakeTigerGirl

6 күн бұрын

@vadalia3860 Not entirely true. I don't think Aemond meant to kill Luke because after Arrax shot at Vhaegar, Aemond started panicking because he knew what that meant. And tried to command Vhaegar to stop, but unfortunately she wouldn't heed him. After she munched on them, Aemond had a look of pure horror on his face. Did he want to scare Luke? Absolutely. But I think he didn't mean for things to get out of control.

@owenbridgers

6 күн бұрын

@@vadalia3860Nope. Vhagar acted on her own, and Arrax was a fool for attacking her. It was a Dragon on Dragon killing, not a Dragonrider killing.

@vadalia3860

6 күн бұрын

@@TimberlakeTigerGirl If you fire a gun into a crowd, even if you don't mean to hit anyone, you're still responsible if you end up killing someone through your irresponsible actions.

"Viserys put so much time into that thing" yeah and neglecting his 3 children that he forced into Alicent, that lego set being destroyed was one of the best things in this episode! He spent more time with that toy than talking to his children, Aegon should have burned that the second he became king 🤣 Tom Glynn-Carney nailed this episode

@daedalus3726

6 күн бұрын

deserved mistreatment tbh.. they shouldn't have been born in the first place for all i care

@eliashigham8901

6 күн бұрын

Viserys 100% loved that model more than he loved Aegon and Aegon knows it. But it is also symbolic as he is destroying Valyria aka the source of his own legitimacy

@vadalia3860

6 күн бұрын

Meh. Viserys spent time with his kids- throwing a hunt for Aegon's 2nd birthday, observing the sword-training of his sons and grandsons, and being one of the few who actually listened to Helaena's rambling when she was younger (albeit he was confused by them) He was sick and it's implied being over-medicated by Otto and Alicent specifically so that he'd be unable to sit the throne so I'm not sure how much of that we can actually pin on him.

@lynnraven6101

6 күн бұрын

@@vadalia3860 Viserys completely neglected them and minded them as their “king”, not their father. He doted on a baby Aegon because he wanted a son for a long time, then he decided he didn’t care anymore, and chose to devote all his time to his model and to Rhaenyra. He cared far more about Rhaenyra and her children than his own by Alicent. This is a known fact. Yes, he was ill, but he literally goes as far as to refer to Rhaenyra as his “only child” and does everything to defend her and her kids, even at his weakest. It tells you everything you need to know and more about how he treated his other children.

@roguechevelle

5 күн бұрын

Your not wrong about him neglecting his kids by Alicent, I think it's more stemming from his guilt over Aemma's death that he isn't as close to Alicent's kids and is closer to Rhaenyra. It's all super complicated for sure, almost all these characters are very grey. Rhaenyra had a loving mother in Aemma so even if Viserys was occupied by his need to have a son that she felt overlooked her mother was there to comfort her until she wasn't of course. Alicent isn't a very loving mother, she doesn't know how comfort her own kids in fact she seemed emotionally distant from them and so the kids grew up thinking neither parent really loved them. If she had been a loving affectionate person towards her kids that may have change things perhaps for them, they would have felt they were loved at least by one parent.

Cole effed up in his role as commander and didn't assign protectors to Helaena's suite as he should have once she became queen. And to cover up for that, now he's sending the Cargyll twin to his death. GREAT job! [/s] Wonder what kind of Hand he'll make, hmm?

The King cries and The Hand gets wet.

I mean comon, it's daemon, of course he meant it as anyone else. Son for a son.yiu can clearly see the smirk. Lol

09:49 well aemond is not a child

20:32 I seriously thought you were choking for a sec with the look of shock on your face. I wish I wore a BP Cuff so I could check it during EVERY ONE of Ser Criston's scenes! I HATE HIM! 🤮 41:21 Totally agree about Otto in this episode. Dven though he dug this hole, he has a brilliant mind and Aegon stupidly threw it away. 42:52 I just finished the part of "Fire & Blood" about the duel of the twins and Aegon making Cole the new hand. Its weird watching a GoT show from a book reader's perspective, for a change. 😊

I'm not sure where your confusion over what Daemon said comes from. The exact line was "'a son for a son,' HE SAID." Blood is directly quoting Daemon here and says that he's quoting him. I think we don't see Daemon say it directly as a callback to the "heir for a day" line and to preserve some amount of ambiguity as to HOW he said it, but we're not supposed to question IF he said it. He's a piece of shit who murdered his first wife so it's absolutely not beneath him. I also disagree that Aegon ever had potential to be a good king. Robert Baratheon is a good example of how a bad king is made out of someone who never wishes to do the hard parts of governing. Aegon didn't thoughtfully weigh the pros and cons of the situations brought to him and make a conscious decision to take a slightly more pro-smallfolk stance. He just wanted to do whatever would get him gratitude and admiration from the person in front of him, regardless of whether it was the right thing to do. He's also a rapist who was okay with his children (so long as they're bastards) being tortured and killed in pit fighting so nothing's beneath him either. Lastly- Aemond is absolutely at fault for Luc's death. No ambiguity there. He did the equivalent of firing a gun at his nephew with his eyes closed... he doesn't get to pretend he didn't mean to kill him, even if he does feel bad afterward in this version.

@Omn1Media

6 күн бұрын

There's zero confusion around the Daemon thing

Rhaenyra never said she wanted Aemonds head, she just said I want Aemond Targaryen. Daemon is the one who heard her words and just ran with his own plan. Rhaenyra could have meant so many things by what she said, she could want his head, she could want him as just a prisoner or a prisoner so she could tourture him maybe to death. If Daemon would have waited let her grieve so more then ask questions on how she wanted that done.

The saddest thing in the episode is Aegon destroying his dads mega Lego build. rip Mega Lego set. 😢

@fenrizsharp3938

3 күн бұрын

seriously!!! that thing took him ages.... poor man even gets fucked over in the afterlife...

Ok. Yes, the scene was cut when Daemon was asked, so what if we don’t find him, but the FIRST WORDS out of Blood’s mouth when they found the kids were what? “A son for a son”. Daemon is totally responsible. And the other thing, there were really much more surgical ways Daemon could have done this. Why not poison Aemonds food or drink. Daemon was his typical dramatic messy self.

IMO, Daemon told Rhaenys 'A Son For A Son" in the very beginning when he wanted her to ride out again with him to kill Ameond and Vhagar. Then Blood told Cheese "He said a Son For A Son" Blood didn't hear him say that to Rhaenys so he had to have repeated that to Blood. Whether Daemon did it while walking in with Blood alone to Cheese or once Cheese asked the question. But I think it was the response to Cheese's question because Blood said it to Cheese as if you heard what he said and not like I am telling you something you never heard before. Daemon is crazy guilty. The other way to know this is because he was completely silent sitting at that table in the war room. When has Daemon ever been quiet in that room at that table?

@Persephone_Personified

4 күн бұрын

Daemon is many things. But a liar is not one of them. He never lied to Rhaenyra The showrunner stated Daemon did not tell them to end the child. That decision was made by Blood and Cheese due to knowing they would not find Aemond and they acted in haste to try to get in and out as soon as possible. Blood didn’t even know who the queen or the children were. He said it in a recent interview

@phoenixrising8231

3 күн бұрын

The show runner said he left it to interpretation. He lies all the time. In the books he says it. He's not willing to fess up because it caused Rhaenyra harm.

New respect for Otto

Not knowing what Daemon said to Blood and Cheese parallels perfectly with how they cut away from his "heir for a day" toast in the very first episode of season 1. What you see is Viserys sending Daemon away in a rage because Viserys assumes the worst interpretation. Rhaenyra does the exact same thing. And we the audience don't know whether they're right or not.

@ottovonbismarck7742

3 күн бұрын

He said both, actually.

**gasps, realizes what has been said, gasps again** "no...f... no" **gasps a third time** No! No! NO! - Omn1, 2024

Alicent: look what they did to my girl! Also Alicent: Haelena we are using your grief to get some brownie points with the people, suck it up

@leeshropshire6346

5 күн бұрын

I mean it was the correct move in such times it’s best for a king/queen to present themselves as approachable and to do that you have to put all the horror and grief of that night on full display

@ottovonbismarck7742

3 күн бұрын

So you guys think there wouldn't be a public funeral for heir to the Iron Throne if otto didn't suggest?

@eliashigham8901

3 күн бұрын

@@ottovonbismarck7742 considering the king and queen were both against it probably not. Also doesn’t really have anything to do with my point about Alicent

The sentence Blood said was not a son for a son, but "a son for a son, He SAID". That is very clear. The king was not available, so only the boy remained. Kristen is the boss of all the guards. He has assigned the guards himself, so that he can go to Alisant unnoticed.

@Persephone_Personified

4 күн бұрын

A son for a son. Meaning Aemond. It wasn’t “a grandson for a son”... The showrunner said Daemon didn’t order the child’s death. He only asked for Aemond. 🩸🧀 chose the boy out of desperation realizing they would be wholly unable to find Aemond before they were found out. Blood thought it would be a quick in and out. Cheese didn’t want to go upstairs bc he knew he didn’t know how to find/kill Aemond.

@Persephone_Personified

4 күн бұрын

And before you say “well the book says..” I have and read the book. Which is a BIASED HISTORY book written by people that weren’t there and went by word of mouth to tell what they think happened. Like the Bible. The Bible has many versions of the same stories and they are 100% not what happened word for word. Fire and Blood is just an assumed history. The show is what really happened. If you take issue with it, take it up with GRRM. Bc he said the events in the show are what happened. And that Daemon is many things, but he doesn’t lie to Rhaenyra. 🤷🏼‍♀️

@TomTomson81

4 күн бұрын

@@Persephone_Personified You tell half stories and then not even in the right way. First, a son for a son does include the boy, because he also has a mother. He is Helena's son and therefore a son of the Hightower family. Second, yes, Deamon gave not the direct order the murder of the boy. "A son for a son, he said". That was the alternative. And the alternative includes all available sons. Amond couldn't be found, so Aegon and the boy remain. Aegon was also unreachable and probably no one would have dared, so only the boy remained. So yes, Deamon gave the instruction as an alternative and he was well aware of who it could hit. Deamon is not stupid and does not say so directly. He didn't mourn much at the table either, he actually had a grin. For him, it is not the optimal solution, but it is a solution, because he wants war. Third, the showrunner never said that Deamon didn't give that order. This is simply a lie that you make up to convince less informed people of your argumentation, which is simply poorly thought out. He only said they wanted to leave it open for interpretation. That's what he said. However, I think that if you take into account everything that was actually shown and said, the logical conclusion is that Deamon did not want the death of the boy optimally, he wanted Aemond, but secondarily he can very well work with the deaths of either Aegon or the boy. The main thing is a son for a son, and not for his wife, but to finally be able to start the war with his wife. That she can concentrate on the things that are important to him. For example, finally kill Reagar, which he wanted to do at the beginning.

Omg thank you for the laughs at the end of the episode. Well there's the hand of the King. 😂😂

Everything is allowed after the death of Aegon's son. Just one word for this episode 2 THE REVENGE 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🐉

@jensrettberg7968

6 күн бұрын

yep, Team Green is from now on absolutely justified

@thaispereira7311

6 күн бұрын

​@@jensrettberg7968Everything is allowed after Lukes death. That was the first blood😅

@vadalia3860

6 күн бұрын

By that logic everything is allowed after the death of Rhaenyra's son so last episode was THE REVENGE.

I appreciate that Larys manipulates everybody... by using the TRUTH. There's somethin' more impressive about that than if he was lying to (it's also why I really like Angelus in the Buffyverse, no need for lies when the truth can often do much more damage). I mean, I hate him... but its more compelling this way 😂

I always thought "to fall on one's own sword" was a euphemism, turns out I was very wrong

Well there's the hand of the king had me 😂😂😂😂

you feel bad for otto? cause...this is kinda all his fault lol

@immortal5626

6 күн бұрын

Yep but this is where he realizes he was wrong

@jamesliggins891

5 күн бұрын

@@immortal5626 that doesn't mean i feel bad for him. he wanted aegon on the throne, and he got it. he knew exactly who aegon was before he became king. and he still did it. so...can't feel bad for an intelligent man reaping the consequences of his own actions

loved when aegon destroyed viserys lego set.

Without the green nothing would be exciting and fun, let's be honest here

@thaispereira7311

6 күн бұрын

Still team black 😊

Man viserys put so much time into that model 😢

@lynnraven6101

6 күн бұрын

Much more time than he did for his children by Alicent, that’s for sure… Man this family’s so messed up in so many ways lol

@julia2802

6 күн бұрын

i see it as a metaphor, viserys did everything to keep the reign peaceful and the dance of the dragons destroyed it just like that

@jensrettberg7968

6 күн бұрын

instead of into raising his children

Is this what fans mean when they say Daemon and Rhaenyra are their parents? When one of them can't come up with an argument or is about to say something they know they'll regret, they walk out instead. And now Daemon's gonna come up with some grand gesture, when what Rhaenyra needed was for him to own up to what he did...but the Riverlands are cool too I guess.

20:29 GAGGED

Aegon and Cole are my favorite characters in this show I love them so much

I believe Daemon's a son for a son was more intended for Aegon.

@ottovonbismarck7742

3 күн бұрын

Nope.

@phoenixrising8231

3 күн бұрын

Daemon knew he couldn't get to the king. Just like Otto knew Cole's man couldn't kill Rhaenyra. Actually Aegon was more protected than Rhaenyra.

I really wish they the writers would stop stripping away all of rhaenerya flaws. So far is season 2 she seems like a saint, completely different from season 1

@thaispereira7311

6 күн бұрын

So you blaming Rhaenyra because she not the devil that you want her to be

@zVizzions

6 күн бұрын

@@thaispereira7311 i don’t like it because it’s a vast change from how her character is in the books and in season 1. Nothing is her fault. She is 100% a victim in everything. I just don’t understand why there making this a good guy (blacks) vs bad guy (greens)

@thaispereira7311

6 күн бұрын

@@zVizzions Its not a bad VS good. They change the team Green from the books too. Alicent is far worse in the books for exemple. She is manipulative and ambitious. Not a piece of the game of her father like in the show. In the books Aemond kill luke on purpuse not by accident. If the blacks look better is because they are. Not perfect but better.The majoraty of the greens are horible and the show make them a little better

@zVizzions

6 күн бұрын

@@thaispereira7311 Rhaenrya is also much worse in the books…… I think the show is changing things about the characters to make the blacks more likeable than the greens. And I simply don’t believe it’s a good change

@thaispereira7311

6 күн бұрын

@@zVizzions Im saying they changed green characters too. Not only her