Hahahaha "We have these things called aircraft carriers, where planes land on them." Lol BURNED

While I was listening to what Romney I started thinking how can you even compare our military by size to 100 years ago. 3-5 single modern fighter jets can do what the entire Navy had 100 years ago. A single destroyer is so advanced that it could probably wipe out the entire world NAVY of a 100 years ago.

@csillustrations7706

8 жыл бұрын

You could rule the world if you had a fighter jet 1000 years ago. You'd be painted as a god who rides on fire breathing dragons.

@rojay1214

8 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Ppl have political opinions but how how often can you just say "No you are wrong"

@lagrangepoint9386

5 жыл бұрын

@@csillustrations7706 You could rule the world until you ran out of fuel.

Two people with clearly defined opinions having a civil discussion without whooping and hollering from a crowd of people. I never realized how much I took these debates for granted.

@shriyasharma1830

3 жыл бұрын

Laughs in 2020

@Ch3mG33k

3 жыл бұрын

@@shriyasharma1830 Yeeeeah this sure aged well 😂

@eliasziad7864

3 жыл бұрын

Trump won.

@Ch3mG33k

3 жыл бұрын

@@eliasziad7864 gonna need a source on that.

Never gets old. 10 years on. ❤️

You're missing the point of the argument entirely. Romney is taking a statistic based on size of our navy and implies that the smaller size makes our navy weaker. Obama points out that military doctrine has changed, which implies that we have a smaller, but more effective navy.

I love Obama's sass: horses and bayonets, air craft carriers, and battleship.

Guess when you can have more wives, you want more of everything...

Romney got schooled. Obama dusted off his shoulders and said, "Mitt, let me show you how I president."

Trump's best comeback: "No puppet! No puppet! You're the puppet! (sniff)"

@anonymouscitizen8920

4 жыл бұрын

For An Angel or “Because you’d be in jail”

Back when debate was about rational disagreement, rather than pathetic insults and talking louder than the other person.

"We have these things called aircraft carriers, where planes land on them." Oh no he didn't LOL...

Compare Obama's oration to the way in which Trump speaks, he's orders of magnitude more eloquent and intelligent.

Debates seemed so much more respecful and less personal back then, only 2012. What happened?

Romney had that look like." Let me the hell out of here!" LMAO!!

I feel bad for the Romney Obama had to teach him, like a the tiny little republican that he is.

@bradley7499

8 жыл бұрын

+Ben Kibobs (StarStrain) Except that wasn't Romeny's speculation at all. The navy themselves said they needed over 300 ships and the fact of the matter is that we didn't have them at the time

@Ozalarf

5 жыл бұрын

Romney was right on many. Look at today’s conflicts are happening on water.

lol When Obama said "Ships that go underwater", you can see into Romney's mind.."Ermhagad wtf!!! Impossible!!"

lol.... The greatest reply ever...

@eliasziad7864

3 жыл бұрын

Laughs in the second debate of 2016...

Um, I was combat infantry in the U.S. Army and was not issued nor have I ever seen a bayonet as an attachment to my kit or M-4.

"its not a game of battleship"

OOOOOOHHHHHHH HISTOREKTOMY!

Glad you like it.

I agree. However, we're talking about Battleships.

I'm surprised when Obama said, "You said the Navy needs more ships." Romney didn't say, "I never mentioned anything about Ships or the Navy. Check the facts."

Apparently, you don't know what 'fewer' means.

Rmoney should apply cold water to burned area LOL

Lol, Romney got murked.

You just hear whatever you want to hear don't you?

LOL from the man who drew the red line on Assad! hahaha

"Bayonets are ... used frequently in city combat" Um.... No.

Obama humiliated Romney!! Love it!!

Last great Bayonet charge? Battle for "Danny Boy" Iraq war, 14th may 2004.

Except its not more efficient >.>

Obama punched hard in this one. Wether we are for or against him. He ruled here.

The US military budget needs to be cut in half. We spend more then all the other major countries combined, this is going to run us into the ground.

Lol it sure was

everyone knows that

Hey guys, just showed up here and I admit I am late to the game. I'll just cut to the chase with a question that is KILLING ME, of which I am sure someone has the answer: Exactly how many bayonets are in use right now? Thanks!

Bars

I am not going to attack. I am retired military who dug foxholes and fought. I thought it was funny. I think Obama knew about the green berets on horseback. As commander in Chief, he should have. I know what fix bayonets mean as a soldier, but I never have had to mount a horse. If you can't support either, don't vote. That is your right. Good luck whatever you do.

What I see is Obama making the point of even though we have less hips than we did in 1917, the ships are a lot more advanced these days then they were back then, and even if we have fewer ships today they are far more capable and powerful than the ships back then. They did have subs back then, but they certainly didn't launch nukes, and aircraft carriers didn't come in until the 1940's.

@johnx5891

4 жыл бұрын

Not very smart remark. So are every other country's ships more powerful. So should China, and Russia have 500 advanced ships to our 10 advanced ??

Here I will simplify it for you. This type of warfare is not won with aircraft carriers and modern tech. It is won by experienced boots on the ground. Soldiers win wars not weapons.

Uh, no. They're issued bayonets -- of which none are ever used in combat. You know what works great in close quarters combat? A gun. A bayonet is a absolute, last ditch weapon when you're totally out of ammunition and can't retreat. They're only issued because a spear is better than throwing rocks.

well some branches the Marines for example

Drones and aircraft will never take the place of experienced boots on the ground.

does the military use fewer bayonets? as with everything these guys say. yes and no. a 2011 article from a military newspaper Stars and Stripes (which is a Dept of Defense authorized news outlet) stated "the Army insists it has not abandoned the bayonet...they are still learning to use the bayonet, just in a different way.... The Army’s last bayonet charge happened in Feb1951 during the Korean War...U.S. Army units have not issued soldiers bayonets for deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan"

How did he get slammed? What Obama said is true but so is what Romney said. US Navy is the smallest it has ever been. They used to operate 16 carriers. Now they have 11. The technology is defiantly more advanced but that said, the size is still smaller.

Could you imagine the sheer stupidity if this debate was run by a KZread comments section? It would then devolve from an actual political forum into a 3 hour discussion over the exact number of bayonets were used 96 years ago.

Owned

This was funny. Unfortunately the Romnesiacs will miss both the humour and the serious point being made.

i fully supported Obama and still do but I'm not sure we have fewer bayonets simply because Bayonets are actually still standard issue in the military and are used frequently in city combat

My husband is currently in Aghanistan, and he flies drones. Drones are not there to replace soldiers, they are there to save soldiers lives. My husband flies a drone out before we send out soldiers to make sure we are not sending them into immidate danger or a trap. Therefore, they are not replacing soldiers, they are helping them to be safer!

I feel that hardly anyone who fact checked compared 1917 to 2012 for the horses and bayonets thing, rather than 1916 to 2012. Romney said "since 1917" since there were fewer ships in 1916 than in 2012, but there were more ships in 1917 than in 2012. Obama clearly made a mistake in replying with 1916 instead of 1917, but just about every fact checker I've seen compared 1916 to 2012 for the horses and bayonets anyway. Has there been a fact checker checking for the numbers of horses and bayonets in 1917 and compared them to those in 2012?

That sentence didn't make any sense...

Marines use rarely use bayonets in combat. The last American bayonet kill was like 40 years ago in Vietnam! Now they just use them as tactical knives. Though, British Soldiers reportedly did have a bayonet charge in Iraq in 2004 killing 35 iraqi's, but all the the kills were really from gunfire.

This is just sad

im quiet sure he just made it up in his head, not a very practicable line

The U.S. does, but they're virtually irrelevant in modern combat for any military force anywhere. They're main use was on muskets I imagine because earlier guns had a very long reload time. Now we have assault rifles, why would anyone need a bayonet?

soldiers also run faster with knives

The chocolate boy came across as a bit of a schoolboy with this and made Romney look more presidential.

^ this guy gets it.

Kicked Romneys ass

Except Obama was wrong about bayonets.

As Kelso would say, buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurn

ouch mitt got slammed

I believe in what Ron Paul says. Are you saying that since I believe we should have a military that I also believe that we should invade all these other countries?

Romney was a white Obama. I voted for Gary Johnson.

@marecku21

9 жыл бұрын

Matt Jones I'm glad people like you throw away their votes.

@MSH786

8 жыл бұрын

+Matt Jones Romney is no where near like Obama whatsoever!

@MSH786

8 жыл бұрын

+marecku21 Well, even though I voted for Obama in 2008, I could not and did not in good conscious vote for him in 2012. I had to also vote for a third party candidate, Rocky Anderson of the newly formed Justice Party.

I, as a true conservative, believe we can cut the military budget. Yes there is waste. BUT we can also get rid of the ignorant Obamacare, cut Medicare by 25%, Soc Security by 20%, and Medicaid by 20-30%, get rid of all earmarks, eliminate the departments of education and energy, Increase drilling and nuclear power, and balance our budget within 3 yrs while REDUCING taxes. But socialists would rather see us descend into chaos like Greece than do the sensible thing.

They had Submarines back during the Revolutionary war. They were used to plant bombs on the bottom of British war ships and then get away before it were to explode. Little one man ones that were powered by the man and had little in the way of air supply but still submarines non the less.

over 9000

Hahahaahhhhhaaa

Well, actually the sequester did happen...BUT he still owned him. I still love my black president.

i'll be sure to tell those still using bayonets in combat you said so. btw: nice straw man barry built; he never addressed what the navy says it actually needs. no matter. barry walked right into his own defeat and the left are too small minded to notice.

And I loved him for it!!! Muahhahahahahahaha!!!!!

he insulted the military

@nikg1591

3 жыл бұрын

Who

Romney got slammed hard!

Seems some have either a issue with hearing or with basic comprehension. FEWER bayonets. That's true surely? In 1916 aside from a few heavy machine gun operators, every soldier had a rifle and bayonet. Now look at the diversity of the weapons of a modern infantry squad. The British still use bayonets, did so in the Falklands and since, in Iraq Still, Obama's point was valid, more so with aircraft carriers and nuclear subs. One was at the concept stage in 1916, the other science fiction,

Mr, once more missing the mark. One might have all the experience in the world but without a good strategy, you will always loose in anything you do not confined to the WAR. Example, Somalia or hint "Black hawk down". It took a country with no experience to bring peace. Guess what, the country that took it there was Kenya championing the AU. Same applies to this argument, im sure you have all the experience, que is, have you won it?

Smak

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHLOL

LOL

lmao

For close combat, or when you run out of ammunition. The average soldier is equipped with enough ammo for less than a minute of constant firing. Also, the pyscological effect of bayonets is far more powerful than their physical effect.

BUUUUUUURRRRRRRNNNNNNNNNNNN

Obama knew. Romney didn't. Just republican Malarky.

OBAMA 2012, romney OUT!

Lol mitt got burned

No, actually Obama got pwned. What he said was ignorant and arrogant and played very poorly among independents. All the momentum is Romney's and ALL polls now show him winning the election.

@iwtfyd3943

7 жыл бұрын

Sad :(

I'm sorry, but most of you are missing the big picture. Who looked presidential in this exchange and who looked like he was auditioning for the Jerry Springer show. I thought this exchange was where the President lost the debate.

Romney got owned

warmongers

Actually, all military rifles have bayonets.

Apparently Obama is clueless that the military STILL uses bayonets.

@Shamelesscritique1

10 жыл бұрын

Apparently some people are deaf and dumb He said we have [use] less horses and bayonets...not that we don't have any LOL when was the last time a cavalry and bayonet charge was actually considered an effective tactic in battle anyway? The first WORLD WAR kinda changed things, ya know kinda like how cannons and rifles made sharp sticks or bows and arrows a tiny bit obsolete...if you don't believe me go ask the native american's...but then came the wonderful flying machines with rockets and missiles, not to mention machine guns, artillery and tanks...and Oh yeah the aircraft carriers and submarines SO WAY TO MISS THE POINT DUDE! Christ its not exactly a complicated concept to grasp, THINGS CHANGE! and as a result the issues of defense and the strategies employed, the tactics involved are little more sophisticated nowadays...meaning more than just basic arithmetic a child could perform is required to "accomplish the mission"

@MetalDetroit

10 жыл бұрын

Shamelesscritique1 Bayonets have been used in Iraq and Afghanistan as last defense weapons... They were used in Vietnam. So to think that bayonets are outdated is ludicrous. But the last ordered bayonet "charge" was in Korea in the 1950's

@curryeater259

10 жыл бұрын

MetalDetroit real fucking smart. OK! lets stop investing in new military technology and go back to using bayonnets. genius...

@curryeater259

10 жыл бұрын

MetalDetroit and besides, why don't you look at the concept of what he's saying rather than just the words? All you haters never bother looking into what he means, just what he's saying

@MetalDetroit

10 жыл бұрын

curryeater259 Is that what I wrote ? That the U.S, should stop investing in new technology and go back to bayonets? Huh - I didn't see that anywhere in what I wrote. Nice strawman argument though.