In before the squirrels

@tommylyeah

11 ай бұрын

😂

@christianmeeks4430

11 ай бұрын

Impressive.

Would have been cool to also test them with a quart of oil removed. But I love seeing vids about the benefits of good oil control. Also helps keep the oil pressure more consistent through the RPM range and under different "harsh" operating conditions like you might encounter at the track or strip (better engine longevity).

@richardholdener1727

11 ай бұрын

we optimized oil level

@user-ly8tq7mq8j

11 ай бұрын

What was the compession ratio on the 347?

@benkrom2737

11 ай бұрын

Windage tray, scrapers and baffling. Less oil is redundant 🧐

Definitely worth the money

Wow, that is a relatively cheap way to pick up an extra 10 HP.

I think windage trays should have far more louvers. Due to the very-much-engineered-to-be-so film strength of oil, it clings to and wraps around rotating pieces. Water would just largely fling off immediately. Oil wants to wind around the crank instead.

Hi, I have a suggestion for a subject. I often see dyno pulls that start at 3000rpm and that emphasize max performance. I would find interesting a video about low-mid rpm performance and how to obtain a better efficiency at that range.

I threw a windage tray in a slightly hammered stock pan on a stock bottom end turbo car and i credit it for clearing the 500+ mark to the tires on relatively low boost and iron heads

Awww yeas been waiting for this one! 🤙🤙

Thank you for your content it's great stuff !!!

Right on

AWSOME video

Engine masters.

Milodon rocks. I have one of their louvered windage trays on my 351w.

Thankyou knew there were gains with a tray and baffling but didn't know it was that much. Thanks again for this test

Thank you for your knowledge and videos USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸

I'm shocked it was that much. I figured it would pick up a couple, but never found have guessed it would be that substantial. Wonder how much one would be worth on something like an ls or newer motor.

What I found interesting is that both engines picked up almost identical gains. The oil pan was worth about 10 hp and ft lbs of torque on both engines. It didn't matter if it was mild or wild they both had similar gains. They say the devils in the details, I think this is a good example of this. I read about engine masters and they talked about free hp from oil control. With an engine that has roller lifters solid or hydraulic rollers didn't matter. They tapped the oil drain over the cam in the lifter valley and plugged the holes with plugs with smaller holes in it to reduce the amount of oil getting to the cam and also ground out the casting flash in the main drain back holes. That being said have you ever tested that to see how much power that's worth

@magnusdanielsson2749

11 ай бұрын

I wonder if its not the case that the cranks pick up roughly the same amount of oil as windage. Therefore the energy needed to sling it is the same. Seems like physics would support such an idea? A test with a couple of different sbc with different hp would be interesting to see if the same hp is freed up regardless. In any case it does seem worth the effort to install windage tray and/or scrapers. Especially if one can do the mods oneself. A milodon tray might be a bit expensive to justify on a street build..

@jakal104

11 ай бұрын

@@magnusdanielsson2749 I agree... likely gain 10Hp (+/-) on any V8 running similar weight oils. In addition to the pan mods, polishing the crank weights and rod surfaces would help reduce retained oil. Hmmm... teflon coat?

Free power

You should dyno an LS-NEXT short skirt block with a kickout oil pan vs a long skirt LS block with the same heads, intake & cam.

In my experience. The Milodon full box marine pan, no kickout. on my 489 bbc was terrible. Look at jet boat forums. It’s all over. I was losing pressure over 4500 rpm. Tried all the tricks to make it work, never did. Put on a Dan Olson pan. Works great. No more pressure drop. Both were 7.5 deep with trays. The Olson pan does have a kickout on the right side, full length of pan.

@richardholdener1727

11 ай бұрын

We use the Moroso unit on BBCs

@BARBARRIER

11 ай бұрын

@@richardholdener1727 I’ve seen people use moroso and canton with no issues also. Just seems to be an issue with the Milodon full box pan if you try to run rpm’s. Major oil pressure drop at 4500 and above. It’s weird.

You can understand the challenges high rpm drag car have.Oil climbing the back pan under acceleration and the opposite braking.

@jeroldlafferty54

11 ай бұрын

Stock oil pump vs high volume pump. Could be trouble stock pan and high volume pump pickup getting uncovered.

Would H beams rods be picking up oil and throwing it around, also the balance holes on the crank? every HP counts!

Richard, have you done a video comparing timing chains vs gear drives? Thank you for all your info you are sharing.

@richardholdener1727

11 ай бұрын

mostly noise-I would be surprised if it showed a change in power

Hello

Hey hey hey

You should do the same test on stroked BBCs because they're notorious for windage issues

@richardholdener1727

11 ай бұрын

I have

What did the oil pressure do? Did it pick up pressure on the top end due to less aeration?

Don Garlits and Dick Moroso 1st came up with oil scrapers and baffled oil pans back in the 60s.

@rolandtamaccio3285

11 ай бұрын

Smokey, probably a good 10 years before either .

@benkrom2737

11 ай бұрын

@@rolandtamaccio3285 Yeah Smokey and Don were cut from the sam cloth. They both shaped the racing industry. Don in drag racing and Smokey in circle and road racing back in the early 60s. Modifications were kept secret and no patents were done because design specifications would have to be registered for everyone to see, so everything was on the down-low 🧐 I myself prefer road racing oil pans for they correct for G-forces 360⁰ where drag pans is just Fore and Aft G-Forces.

@benkrom2737

11 ай бұрын

@@rolandtamaccio3285 dyno only tells half the story. When you apply G-forces is when these oil pans really start showing a benefit.

Surprised Richard did not mention gains from a turbo would be way more significant 😂 Boost makes everything better!

Richard make a video about oils do they make more horsepower if its thinner?

@richardholdener1727

11 ай бұрын

please see the oil test video

Richard, awesome work . Does oil viscosity change horsepower with a aftermarket pan? Many of the new cars have oil at 5 weight or less. Can we run those oils in a 302 Ford or a 350 Chevy?

@richardholdener1727

11 ай бұрын

YES VISCOUSITY CHANGES POWER

@jakal104

11 ай бұрын

Tighten the oil clearances and thinner oil could be run.

How about if you knife edge the crank? Does that produce more power?

@richardholdener1727

11 ай бұрын

it can

Have you done any testing to see if dry sump systems produce any power gains over wet sump pans?

@richardholdener1727

11 ай бұрын

they do

According to the Engine Masters guys 20w50 makes more power than lighter oil because of ring seal. The Rat 540 blog says that 5w30 protects the best. So, what is more important?

@richardholdener1727

11 ай бұрын

I disagree with the results of the EM test

I'm wondering how a dry sump might change things.

@jakal104

11 ай бұрын

The extra pump(s) may decrease power output... on a dyno. Windage is windage and oil clings to everything (by design)... so dry or wet sump, the hp benefit is getting the oil off the rotating assembly. If the oil is pulled out of the wet sump, a dry sump (or a deeper pan) would help.

Rich have you did this test with LS and is corvette oil pan different from truck pan ??

@richardholdener1727

11 ай бұрын

Factory LS (truck or Vettte) has a windage tray and pan baffles already

Would the gains be the same on a mild 302 build? Roughly 350-375hp

@richardholdener1727

10 ай бұрын

WILL BE LESS ON THE 302

Diamond stripper !!

Seems like a very unscientific test to me? How about the variation in oil grade?, the difference in temperature? and the volume of oil carried?

@richardholdener1727

11 ай бұрын

no change in oil grade, temp or amount

Will you test or have you tested having a vacuum pump plugged in the engine pan?

@richardholdener1727

11 ай бұрын

they can work-depends on ring pack

@tommylyeah

11 ай бұрын

@@richardholdener1727 Like how well the rings are sealing prior to vacuum?

@richardholdener1727

11 ай бұрын

people use low tension rungs to add power, then help sealing with vacuum pump

Really enjoy the channel. I would be interested in this comparison on High performance big block Chevy. Maybe talk about billet oil pumps and the integrated oil pick ups.

@richardholdener1727

11 ай бұрын

billet pumps add more flow and/or pressure, windage trays and deep sump pans work on BBC even more

@robertfenwick9126

11 ай бұрын

Love the small block Ford stuff. keep it up big thanks again for sharing 😊😊

@wallywire

11 ай бұрын

@@richardholdener1727 thanks for the info. I’m trying to find the moroso oil pan you tested the world 565 with AFR 357 heads. I believe it was #21047. Do you know how much oil you ran during the Dyno seasons with Q16? Did it stay the same when using nitrous and tunnel ram??

Any 351w victor jrs out there willing to ship to Iowa?

Its also funny to go get an oil change. You have to sign a waiver for them putting 8 liters of oil in instead of 5. But do change your own oil. Dont be crazy.

@richardholdener1727

11 ай бұрын

liters?

@buysncharge

11 ай бұрын

@richardholdener1727 I'm from a bastard colony. The old pan was 5.0 liters of oil to fill. The milodon was just over 8 liters of oil to fill. We don't use the gallons or quarts system. A Gallon is 3.87 liters or so.

Any one know can you brake in a flat tap cam in with a windage tray

@richardholdener1727

8 ай бұрын

the break in of a cam has nothing to do with a windage tray

@michaelrogers8860

8 ай бұрын

@@richardholdener1727 thank you

Is there a certain amount of oil washing required to cool and lubricate the bores, or do we get enough from con rod bearings

@richardholdener1727

11 ай бұрын

there is always oil mist present