I love Tuesday mornings. And I appreciate the effort that went into this one, George. I know if you get too technical you'll lose some folks, but the nerd in me has questions. Were those pumpkins at 50 yards? Did you notice any significant POI shift between the loadings? And finally, I saw your caliper on the bench. Did you happen to note the maximum expanded diameters of the bullets from those loadings? Cheers!

@TargetSuite

3 жыл бұрын

@Hutehund Yes, and that "footage" just didn't make it into the final cut. But here's the data for us "nerds" to chew on. 250gr. XTP at 1350MV - .75" with a final weight of 220gr. 250gr. XTP at 1650MV - .65" with a final weight of 230gr. 240gr. XTP MAG at 1350MV - .75" with a final weight of 220gr. 240gr. XTP MAG at 1650MV - .72" with a final weight of 230gr. But this one was hard to measure because the lead "mushroom" was almost non-existent. It was the jacket (that was still intact and attached to the core) that accounted for that measurement. The one data point that just doesn't make sense is that the 250gr XTP at +P velocity had a smaller mushroom, and retained more mass than the same bullet at lower velocity. "Common" sense says it should have been larger and shed more mass.

@johannesvanhoek9080

3 жыл бұрын

Target Suite en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_ballistics

@hutehund9519

3 жыл бұрын

@@TargetSuite Thanks George. So, if I was forced to split hairs on a sampling of one round for each load, I'd have to give the nod to the lower velocity - 1350fps 240gr. XTP magnum bullet (2nd one shot - 3rd on your list above). It was definitely the most reactive in the pumpkin and the penetration was exceptional. But they all performed well. Nicely done, Sir.

@hutehund9519

3 жыл бұрын

@@johannesvanhoek9080 Very informative article. Good read.

@TargetSuite

3 жыл бұрын

@HutehundThanks. Good observation on the 1350 velocity round!

Thank you very much for this. Harvested my first deer with handloads this year. Henry Big Boy in 45 Colt with Hornady 250gr XTP projectiles, +P loads (deer was at 45 yards). Passed right through the boilerplate!

No disputing old cartridges still work as good and even better now when using modern jacketed bullets. There is something to be said about most every cartridge on your favorites list. The 45-70, 45 Long Colt, 44 Magnum, 357 magnum and 30-30 all still have cool little tool sets still made just for them. You can still buy a Classic Lee Loader for around $40-dollars and sometimes less. I still have one for 30-30 and 44-magnum. When I bought my first one it cost $10 dollars. I paid twice that much for the 44 set. It is kind of fun to use them even if you have conventional loading equipment. Traditionally most wilderness types would buy powder, primers, lead and a single or double bullet mold and make and their own ammo. They once made many more sets for all kinds of cartridges. They made sets for shotgun shells too. When I bought my first 30-30; I bought one with all the fixings. A pound of IMR 3031 cost $3 dollars, a hundred Sierra 170-grain bullets $3 dollars more. Primers were $.50 cents for a box of one hundred. A box factor shells cost $4 dollars. This taught me not to waste ammo. I still regret selling my 22-hornet and the Lee Loader. Making ammo old school is pretty cool. I bet you might like it. PS try making gallon jugs of JELL-O; less mess and similar results to watermelons.

@TargetSuite

3 жыл бұрын

Great comment! Almost a history lesson on reloading. Btw, I have a gallon jug filled with grape colored jello in the refrigerator out in the barn. I'll bring it out for the next video.

Because of you, George, I bought another Winnie '92 in .45 Colt, my wife has yet to find out. I love that rear sight you put on your son's rifle. Great choice. Watching you do all that work was exhausting.

@TargetSuite

3 жыл бұрын

What is really taxing is the 5 hours of editing on top of the 4 hours of shooting the video. It makes for some late nights and tired mornings😴 Btw, I hope I don't start getting angry mail from your wife😄

Mind reader...I was at a local store here in Houston yesterday and all they had in stock were the 240 grain XTP Mag for my 45 Colt (Rossi 1892). I had loaded the 250 XTP in the past and they shot well. Contemplating purchasing the Mag version. Thanks for the video!!!! Perfect timing.

@TargetSuite

3 жыл бұрын

Haha! Btw, I read a great article about the Rossi '92s a few days ago. I don't know how old yours is but the gist of the article was about how in "recent years" they had lengthened the receiver a tad bit to accept longer cartridges particularly the 454 Casull. If you ever consider the 300gr XTP MAG bullets, that may come in handy. The first shooting sequence in this video was using those longer bullets and they did want to hang up if I didn't aggressively cycle that finger lever.

Good video and tests. I enjoy these in my Ruger only loadings for my Blackhawks and 92s.

@TargetSuite

2 ай бұрын

The great thing about these xtp bullets is that they're always available and very affordable! Thanks for your comment

Out of all the different ammo i have used i have never been disappointed with hornady . Great stuff brother👍

@TargetSuite

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks. It's good stuff, and it's mostly available in the stores I frequent. Perfect combination!

Well that was interesting.. I am big fan of the standard XTP bullet. It seems to perform well in a wide variety of calibers and at a wide variety of velocities. This is the first time I heard of the magnum version.

@TargetSuite

3 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately, my testing was inconclusive aside from the fact that the MAG version had a higher percentage of weight retention. But both versions of the XTP looked like real "performers". Thanks as always for the comments Buffalo!

Really good shooting George. Always enjoy seeing the levers come out of the safe.

@TargetSuite

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Max. I'd do nothing but lever guns if I was the only audience :-)

It’s interesting that they performed about the same high velocity or low velocity

@TargetSuite

3 жыл бұрын

I know. Check out my response to @Hutehund. I summarized the data in that comment and some of it just doesn't make sense. It's probably just the result of inconsistent pumpkins and point of impact relative to the center of the pumpkin. But we'll never know from this test. Thanks as always for you comments!

@llkj7944

3 жыл бұрын

I wonder if the more vs less pedals , could have something to do with the deformation and retention.

@dr.froghopper6711

3 жыл бұрын

@@llkj7944 I was wondering the same thing. 7 petals vs 4. I’d be interested in seeing how a Barnes monolithic solid performed in these pistol caliber rifles.

Great day we captured all projectiles. Thanx very informative.

@TargetSuite

3 жыл бұрын

Well a couple of misses didn't make it into the video 😉

I've resorted to just buying the XTP MAg to load in all my revolvers. I shoot 45 Colt, 454 Casull, and 460 S&W and the XTP Mag does the trick.

@TargetSuite

3 жыл бұрын

@roostersooter76 Thanks for your comment. The one thing that really impressed me about the XTP MAG was that 240gr. +P bullet that was totally mangled and yet still weighed 230gr.

@roostershooter76

3 жыл бұрын

@@TargetSuite the Mag bullets have thicker jackets, ie ... better weight retention at higher pressures.

Thank you for doing this video. Hope you make many more like it.

@TargetSuite

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching Eric. I try to post every week.

Greetings from the still frozen north. Yes ...Canada I’ve finally got my hands on a Rossi 92 stainless in 454 Casull. I’ve got a few factory loads to test , including Buffalo Bore Hard Cast. I also purchase a box of Barnes Buster Bullets and a box of 250 XTP for reloads. After watching your video I’ll likely only load the 250’s in 45 colt and source out some 300 XTP Mag for the 454. Really enjoy your videos.

@TargetSuite

3 жыл бұрын

Congrats on the Rossi! Sounds like hours of fun ahead for you!

Good stuff as always my friend

@TargetSuite

3 жыл бұрын

Much appreciated

Thank you for the informative video. This morning I loaded up some 240gr XTP MAG’s using 27.4gr H110 in 45LC

@TargetSuite

3 жыл бұрын

Sweet! Have fun!

I love my Rossi 45 Colt 20" blued carbine. I've used XTP's for years but haven't tried the "MAG" version - I expect they'd perform great at higher velocities. Thought the XTP's I've seen tested in such do just fine - albeit can over expand a bit... now going to enjoy your vid -thanks for a great topic!

That is Awesome George! What's not to love about exploding pumpkins?? It would be very cool to try some XTP MAG in 44 if they were to become available. The end results look very much like the famed and demised Winchester Black Talon bullets. I love the results of the weight retention! Thanks again!

@TargetSuite

3 жыл бұрын

Haha! It's almost a litmus test for me when it comes to making friends. Do they smile at exploding pumpkin? 😄 I don't think Hornady has plans for a 44 caliber XTP MAG but I am going to get some Swift A-Frame bullets. They have a similar performance profile. Stay tuned.

I use the 240g xtp mag in my muzzleloader for deer hunting. Very effective and accurate.

@TargetSuite

2 жыл бұрын

👍👍

I'm going to try the Mag Tip in my 450 Ruger Bushmaster. Should get phenomenal results.

@TargetSuite

3 жыл бұрын

Yep. They'll be great at those velocities!

Interesting results on the weights. Almost all of my 45 Colt shooting is with cast bullets and no rifles.

@TargetSuite

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks John. I am still scratching my head over these results. Check out my reponse to @Hutehund

I ran some 240gr XTP Mags in my 20in 1892 over the chronograph, 5 shots averaged 1890fps with a spread of around 30fps. Won't share the charge, but the overall length of these bullets is a bit longer due to a longer nose to crimp. Mine come in around 1.645 COAL so make sure your gun can feed that long. Had to do some invasive, unpleasant work to get mine to feed that extra 5 hundredths(worth it), but some guns do just fine out of the factory.

I hand load my 460SW for a 24" barrel and I had to use the XTP Mag bullets because the standard ones would deform from the pressures. The 300GR XTP Mag from my 24" barrel loaded at the minimum charge was pushing 2300FPS. That puts a giant hurt on a deer.

@TargetSuite

2 жыл бұрын

Wow! That sounds like a beast of a rifle. I don't know why more companies like Marlin, Henry, and even Winchester aren't concentrating on the 460 S&W Magnum.

@tray22

2 жыл бұрын

@@TargetSuite The 350 legend in a lever action would be awesome. My son dropped his first deer with a heart shot from a cva cascade 350 legend. 110 yards and it never took a step.

@ActionEHamshraershV

2 жыл бұрын

@@TargetSuite Mostly pressures and expenses to make them safe for the pressures of the 460S&W. The 1892 action will take it, proven by the Big Horn Armory design, but the reciever and internal parts were all significantly modified to accomodate the longer cartridge and I'm sure the heat treatment to strengthen the reciever and chamber are substantial too. The Marlin/Henry actions simply aren't mechanically strong enough to contain the incredible pressures.

Had a Win. Model 94 ae in .45 Colt back in the early 90’s. Good Texas brush gun in the north Harris county pine & yopon thickets

@TargetSuite

2 жыл бұрын

I hunted those North Harris County Pine and youpon thickers also. Surprised we didn't bump into each other😉

@diogenes5381

2 жыл бұрын

@@TargetSuite I had a 5 acre place cleared on the west side of Reid’s Prairie rd. Moved back to Sabine Parish in ‘97 after retiring of 20 yrs in the Railcar repair business as corporate manager; you may remember Hockley Railcar & Empak on the old 88 acre Premium Pipe Mill site right south of Hwy 290. Lotsa deer up near the Grimes county line.

My fist deer kill with a pistol was a big 8 pointer. It was a encore 15" muzzle loader pistol.i loaded it with a large black hornady sabot and a 45 caliber with 300 grains.its the bullet hornady loads with the 454 casull. I put 85 grains by volume of 777 FFF.At 65 yards I made the decision to reduce the load to 80 grains. It was extreme damage

The swift bullets are expensive. 120 dollars for a box of 50, in my country. But what a bullet!!!. My favorite!. Dependable.

@TargetSuite

3 жыл бұрын

The A-Frame bullets were mentioned in a comment in my last video. Was that you? I did call Swift last week about the 44 caliber bullets. They will be available in October and I will be featuring them with my 44 Magnum in a video to come. But because of the cost, I'll probably stick to one caliber of A-Frame bullets for now. If you don't mind, where are you from? If you would prefer not to answer publicly, no problem.

seems to me at either velocity either round does what it needs to do to pack the most punch and deliver it to the target. The fun you get to have in the name of science!

@TargetSuite

3 жыл бұрын

Haha! It is fun, but when the experiments are happening in real time, the results can be, how can I say this, incomplete :-)

@tootall5559

3 жыл бұрын

@@TargetSuite oh well, you still get to shoot a lot. I rarely get to go shoot these days.

Hornady also manufactures the XTP Mag bullet .452" in a 300 grain offering which I use in the 460 S&W Magnum revolver.

@TargetSuite

Жыл бұрын

I've got some and plan to reload them for the Rossi 454 Casull. The first video with that rifle posted this past weekend and I used the 240 grain xtp mag and 300 grain Buffalo Bore rounds. That Buffalo Bore really packs a punch! Thanks for your comment and thanks for the suggestion.

If we are ever attacked by pumpkins! Looks like fun!

@TargetSuite

3 жыл бұрын

Yep, I'm ready for the orange wave!

Good stuff

@TargetSuite

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

The Mag bullet was designed for the muzzleloading community because the velocities reach 1800-2000fps and the regular XTP breaks up on animals at that velocity. Great test. I shoot those bullets in a 45 Super 10inch barrel and get 1500 fps.

@TargetSuite

3 жыл бұрын

I did not know the muzzleloading connection. Thanks!

@of-Israel

11 ай бұрын

I started using 185 grain xtp in my Kentucky rifle because it was short enough to get very tight grouping, I ended up also shooting them out of my inline as well I don't think the deer could tell if the bullet fragmented or not lol. I'm bumping up to 200 gr this year a wife and kids and I'm going to test the terminal ballistics. I'm going to be Fielding my 54 cal maxi balls

@Hill_Billy_Without_A_Hill

6 ай бұрын

Oddly they don't do a 44 cal mag version. That's why I was wanting to try out the interlock 265 grain .430. They discontinued it of course, for the 256 ftx.

@upperroomtoo

6 ай бұрын

@@Hill_Billy_Without_A_Hill I load the .430 265gr FTX in 44 mag rifle loads.

@Hill_Billy_Without_A_Hill

6 ай бұрын

You mean FTX right?@@upperroomtoo

EXCELLENT EXCELLENT EXCELLENT VIDEO. XTP are the ONLY hollow point bullet I trust for reliable expansion and deep penatration. This new magnum bullet looks Awesome. I'd like to see if it expands reliable through 4 layers of denim.

@TargetSuite

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

another good show George....working your way to an oscar ....question....hotter loads...does the primer in those change shape?....keep em coming ...:) stay safe, another lock down is not far away over here in the U.K..

@TargetSuite

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Mike. Great question. There was no change in primer shape even with the one maximum +P round that I loaded to test the high end of that genre'. Velocity of that bullet was almost 1900fps. Recoil and muzzle blast with that round was significant, as was case swelling near the base. But extraction was not difficult. I just wasn't comfortable with that power level in the 45Colt cases. Maybe I'm over-conservative, but I didn't want to lead by example and have a bunch of folks having accidents. So, even though the +P loads I settled on are well above the rated pressures of the cartridge they seemed reasonable and there was a lot of supporting evidence for using that power level in the 45Colt/modern carbine combo.

@MikeSmith-su8ee

3 жыл бұрын

Target Suite thanks for the info George....:)

I’m sure the Deer loved you for the fine Pumpkins! Love the Rifle, love the 45LC, both bullets should work great, I don’t think a critter could tell the difference! I never been disappointed in the line of XTP bullets.

@TargetSuite

2 жыл бұрын

👍👍

Hello from Sweden The octagon barrel Makes the rifle look powerful.

@TargetSuite

3 жыл бұрын

Hello again! It really does look nice doesn't it?

Hey George this is interesting. Really nice rifle. When I got the Henry in 357 I also took out my Marlin camp carbine in 45acp out as well which I haven't shot for years. I changed some springs and cleaned it up. I had a bunch of ammo for it. It's great to 50 to 75 yards. I did hit 100 yards. But not consistently. Maybe it's my old eyes. I'm very happy with 50 to75 yards!!! No scope for this.it's a hard hitter!

@TargetSuite

3 жыл бұрын

That Camp Carbine sounds like a ton of (cheap) fun. I am going to feature a modern "camp carbine" sometime in the next few weeks. It will be in the form of a 10mm 16" barrel (pistol caliber) carbine that my son is building. It will be a little different for the channel, but as far as fun guns go I hope it can keep up with your Marlin CC.

@m2gjam139

3 жыл бұрын

@@TargetSuite Wow that's sounds great a winner. I'm looking forward to seeing that. It is a lot of fun I almost forgot about it. It also came in 9mm I should have got both. But I was a young soldier with not much money. It was very reasonable priced and got a great write ups. Maybe you might have a source it came with a Colt 1911 magazine 8 rounds I have 5 of them. The question is do you know if anyone makes a higher capacity mag to fit the 1911. I've looked with no luck it won't take other brands.

@TargetSuite

3 жыл бұрын

I don't know why your Camp Carbine will only except Colt mags. That really limits your "firepower" with that little gun.

@m2gjam139

3 жыл бұрын

@@TargetSuite nothing else fits properly. I will find something . I still get 9 shots. NY has some crazy laws as well as far as capacity. They were made for Colt magazines. There must be something I've reached out to a few people. No luck I purchased 5 extra. I will get a few more. That's a up close rifle a head or chest shot even a hip shot hit bone they going down. If you think about it it's like a shotgun 8 rounds max and easier to reload. Enjoy your Sunday. Im back from church. Bye the way I just ordered a load of shotgun ammo and a lot of rifle ammo. I hear something big will happen in December. I will let you know when I know more.

Thanks for doing these XTP's in .45 Colt. I've got a Henry Lever Gun and a Ruger Redhawk both in .45 Colt and will be reloading with the XTP Mag at 300 grns. I am wondering just what the muzzle velocity will be for these. Henry doesn't recommend using hot loads in their rifle but the Ruger is made for it. Looking forward to shooting them.

@TargetSuite

3 жыл бұрын

Looking on Load Data daught calm I see velocities of 1300-1500 using H-110 with the 300 XTP Mag. Nothing like that in my hard copy manuals.

@kevincasey8302

3 жыл бұрын

i think the magnum version was more for the rotational speed of the bullet ! not sure

I have never used XTPMAG factory ammo but handload 300 grain xtpmag bullets in to 454 Casull to get velocities around 1900 fps from 9.5 inch barrell 1 only shot at game (hogs) never recovered a bullet with pass throughs at any angle ! only bullet recovered was shot into a 4x4 treated yellow pine shot end to end penetrated 27 inch of wood and looked like it could have been reused !

@TargetSuite

3 жыл бұрын

Wow. Sounds like one tough bullet!

I use the .452 bullets in my 450 bushmaster. And they work great.. I know they are for colt 45.

Wondering if the jackets are a bit thicker in the mag version. Some time back when loading +p 44 mag bullets loads for my Ruger they would shed there jackets, thats before we had all these XTP types.

@TargetSuite

3 жыл бұрын

I've had these XTPs shed jackets in previous videos, but those were all close shots at full velocity. That's why I'm shooting these pumpkins at 50 yards. As I said to @Chris Henson in a later comment, the jackets of the Mag bullets do seem to be thicker. But with all the distortion from impact, I can't really measure that.

Eric Earhart beat me t it. The mags are the ticket for sabotage loads in muzzleloaders with heavy loads. The non mags grenade at 1800 fps velocity. They might at lower velocity, I don't know. The mag holds together and expands and penetrates.

@TargetSuite

3 жыл бұрын

Great input. Thanks!

@Hill_Billy_Without_A_Hill

6 ай бұрын

I agree, I've have experience with 44 cal xtp, in muzzleloaders. I stuck with them since they grouped so well, but not 100% satisfied with their performance on deer. Im going to play around with some other 44 cal bullets. Plan on trying some cast/sabots.

45 lc is amazing and super versatile, kinda like its bigger brother the 45-70

@TargetSuite

3 жыл бұрын

@C V I love it . . . versatile. Yes!

Swift A frame also makes a 260 and 300 grain in 45 caliber. Nosler make a partition 44 and 45 caliber bullet .swift A frame is bonded.

@TargetSuite

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Randy. I have used the Nosler 44 caliber bullets and they were great. But the Swift bullets are hard to come by. I still look for them occasionally.

@randyjohnson6845

3 жыл бұрын

@@TargetSuite swift A frame seem always to be most expensive. But they seem to be the best made overall. Quality is A+ I always had to order them from big catalog companies like mid south. They come already in sabots or you can buy them loose and put the best sabots together. Are they worth the extra effort and money? Maybe. Way back I was probably the first or close to first in central Florida to order shoot and kill a deer with sabots. It was about 1989.it really doesn't go back farther than that

@TargetSuite

3 жыл бұрын

Randy, I ordered some Swift bullets today.

@randyjohnson6845

3 жыл бұрын

@@TargetSuite they about 50% more than XTPs?

@TargetSuite

3 жыл бұрын

Yes. Just about double.

I enjoy shooting .45colt in a Ruger Blackhawk don’t have a carbine in that cal. But with heavy loads it seems to out perform my .44 mag in some ways . I would like to try a carbine sometime.

@TargetSuite

3 жыл бұрын

@Flint Richards That would be the perfect combo. But you'd have to be careful if you wound up liking the +P loads because I don't know if that standard Blackhawk can handle them. But hey, figuring that one out would be a lot of fun :-)

44 Remington Magnum isn't 44 caliber, it's .429" caliber in jacketed bullets. Hornady 250 & 300 grain XTP's are designed for the 45 Colt rifle or revolver. Also lower pressure reloads in 454 Casull and 460 S&W Magnum cartridges. Also 45 caliber sabots in 50 caliber muzzleloaders. Hornady 240 & 300 XTP Mag bullets are designed for the 454 Casull cartridge velocities. Also can be used in the 460 S&W Magnum and 45 caliber sabots in 50 caliber muzzleloaders. 45 Colt name. The 45 Colt is the official name used by the Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers’ Institute (SAAMI). The common misnomer name 45 long Colt is not required. It was never officially named 45 long Colt and it's use is incorrect. Yes, everyone's familiar with the 45 Colt cartridge back in the calvary days. The soldiers came up with the 45 long Colt designation, because of the shorter 45 S&W Scofield cartridge. I'm not stating this to change your mind, I'm just educating you on the only correct name 45 Colt.

What was the velocity on the 250g xtp P+? I am loading them in my Henry 45colt. Accuracy is best around 1500-1600fps. But I’m worried how they are going to act when hitting bone. Can’t get my hands on either on the xtp mags. Got a box of 300g xtp that I know will be slower. Might hold together on a shoulder shot.

XTPs seem to be all over the place in performance. I wish they would improve the bullet and get them to hold up better. I've seen a lot of different results using them in muzzleloaders, with the 240 grain .430 XTP. Sometimes they mushroom nice like the pictures, many times not. I've seen them kind of grenade into several fragments, and I've seen complete jacket separation, lead exits, jacket stays, sometimes its all there just separate. Sometimes the lead stays together and mushroom, and the jacket frags. Usually you have a dead deer, but wish bullet would hold up better. Too bad they dont do a 44 cal mag version. The speer deep curls are supposed to hold up better, I'm hearing, if you can even find them.

I shoot 300 grain XTP mag in my 450 Bushmaster over Lil Gun. I should do water jug tests with that

@TargetSuite

Жыл бұрын

I think you would have some explosive results . . . if you know what I mean😉

I have tested many bullets and have gotten a xtp to expand out of a pistol only out of a rifle

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_ballistics. My experience has been with next to Maximum velocity that a bullet or should I say projectile engages a target deeper with less expansion, that’s why it’s wise to pick the appropriate bullet when hunting for a particular type of animal and yet at the same time choosing the charge wisely . PS. It’s the same thing in taekwondo ,if you hit a target let’s say a piece of board with slow speed as opposed to full speed you’ll see that you do more damage to your hand at slower speeds “ Mushrooming “

@TargetSuite

3 жыл бұрын

@Johannes van Hoek That "deeper with less expansion" statement would explain why the standard XTP at 1630mv had a smaller 'shroom and deeper penetration. And if you assume that loss of mass happens most significantly around the edges of the mushroom, that would explain the better mass retention of the faster bullet as well. This almost the opposite of what is known, and I have demonstrated, about cast bullets. That slower penetrates better and mushrooms less. But cast bullet terminal ballistics are different. Aren't they? Great comment! We'll probably be churning on this subject for a while.

@johannesvanhoek9080

3 жыл бұрын

Target Suite George, I’ll be doing some shooting later this week or weekend and I will shoot at different velocities and let you know what my findings are , I have many projectiles to choose from , Thank you for replying and once again very interesting and in depth video 😊👍

Like my old winchesters 30. 30. And a 25. 35. Made in 1905. Good power and accurate.

@TargetSuite

3 жыл бұрын

Wow! Great rifles you have there!

@williamray3101

3 жыл бұрын

Those bullets mushroom well.

Might be interesting if you showed the condition of the spent primers in the cases with the hotter loads.

@TargetSuite

3 жыл бұрын

@Rooster I explained in another comment that I also tried a much hotter +P load that clocked over 200fps faster than the ones I used on camera. But I just wasn't comfortable with that kind of a load. But even with that, I'll call it extreme +P, there was no flattening of the primer, just a very dramatic line where the thin wall of the Colt case intersected the thicker base material.

@deandeann1541

3 жыл бұрын

That sounds like incipient case separation. I imagine you threw the case out.

I try to avoid anything other than 36 cal bullets and firearms to keep inventory from overwhelming my storage space. if I ever won a huge hit of the lottery I'd jump at 45 lc

@TargetSuite

3 жыл бұрын

There's a lot of fun to be had inside of your self imposed constraints. Enjoy!

Those are for my ruger 454 casull

The Mags looked like they would do more damage on soft tissue because they were jagged whereas the regular XTP were perfectly mushroomed and smooth. Just a guess.

Picked up my latest purchase today. Winchester Model 84 44 mag 24 in round barrel. Never fired. Think it was mfg early 2000? Had the winning auction bid. Will clean her up and take it to the range tomorrow if it doesn’t rain.

@TargetSuite

3 жыл бұрын

Did you mean Model 94?

@dogbone1358

3 жыл бұрын

Target Suite Oops. Yes. Sorry.

@TargetSuite

3 жыл бұрын

How did your range day go with the new '94? Or did it rain?

@dogbone1358

3 жыл бұрын

@@TargetSuite Went well. Shoots great. Action a bit stiff. Needs more manipulation.

Mag is sinply a harder lead, but i like the performance of the standard better.

Thicker jacket on mags. I use them for 450 bushmaster

@TargetSuite

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Chris. I tried to measure the jacket thickness on the recovered bullets, but it is so deformed it is impossible to get an accurate measurement. I will say the jacket does appear to be a little thicker on the XTP MAG bullets. Do you hunt with the 450 BM?

So that's how you plant a punkin patch.💥🤔🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

@TargetSuite

3 жыл бұрын

And they did sprout at the waters edge😄

Hello sir. They also made a 300 grain bullet. Try that out some time. Hits like a sledgehammer!.

@TargetSuite

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Gunnar! I have some of those loaded as well. In fact, the shots I took at the chunks of firewood in the beginning of this video were using the 300gr. bullets. And yes, a center hit is just like a sledgehammer! LOL!

@llkj7944

3 жыл бұрын

Would love to see the 300 grainers test also, kinda on the fence for XTP hunting bullet 250 or 300!

@TargetSuite

3 жыл бұрын

@LT 1 I'll try to roll in something on the 300gr STP MAG in the future.

@llkj7944

3 жыл бұрын

@@TargetSuite thank you, looking forward to it👍

I tell you what señor, I wouldn’t want to be on the receiving end of any of those rounds. My biggest problems (besides being in a wheelchair for any distances) are the ranges that we deal with in NM and the lack of a good range to practice on. I’m in ranch country and we’re in a drought. Ranchers are really picky about who’s shooting within a country mile of their cows, especially now that people are facing hunger. Cows still get rustled out here. They’re shot, winched into a horse trailer and gone in mere minutes, to be processed elsewhere. So while it’s wide open desert, it’s easy to get shot AT by an angry rancher. All that to say this- I love the rifle/pistol caliber matches and want a pair of my own but they’re just too short range for my particular hunting situation. In country with significant foliage and shorter ranges they would appear to shine though. And a match in .357 magnum, 44 magnum or 45 Colt would certainly be useful as general ranch guns for the truck! Especially if you are reloading your own ammunition!

@TargetSuite

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Michael. I have a friend that is quick to point out that "all politics is local" and applying his "truth" to this discussion, we are a country with very distinct terrain, vegetation,, and game animals. So, you are spot on. These pistol caliber rifles work well in woodlands, but not in the prairies, deserts, and mountains of much of the rest of the country. Great comment by the way!

I've never seen a rear sight like that. What is it?

@TargetSuite

Жыл бұрын

That's a Marble Arms Bullseye sight.

I’ve seen these in 454

How did the property fare this time around? Any damage?

@TargetSuite

3 жыл бұрын

Soaked and hog ravaged. Other than that, no worries. I did shoot a hog in front of the barn last night!

@dogbone1358

3 жыл бұрын

Target Suite Good news. What did you use? Be happy to help thin the herd. Just let me know. 👍😊

@TargetSuite

3 жыл бұрын

You can tell, I took a day off from comments. And shot another pig the next night. That one out in the pasture. And I missed (running) two more last night. All using my Winchester 12ga with buckshot. We are currently overrun with pigs and I'm thinking about investing in a trap.

Swift and Barnes are better alternatives!.

@TargetSuite

3 жыл бұрын

Swift on order. Barnes is next. Can't wait to try them both.

Iam getting 1700 fps out of my rossi 1892

@TargetSuite

3 жыл бұрын

Have you got the 24" version?

@wilmamcdermott3065

3 жыл бұрын

@@TargetSuite yes octaganal 24 inch barrel

okay, I got ya this time. There is actually no such thing as a 45 long Colt round. ... wait, let me explain. before the 45 ACP came along, it was just 45 Colt to everyone. The name never actually got changed, people just started calling the old round Long Colt to make sure people knew they weren't talking 45ACP Why that was needed, I don't know, Just say ACP if that's what you're talking about. So as far as the actual name of the round, it's just 45 Colt.

@TheJurgisRud

3 жыл бұрын

It was nicknamed the "45 Long Colt" in the 1800's by military personal because the shorter 45 Schofield was also in service at that time. Regiments would sometimes receive the wrong cartridge for the revolvers they were using, so this was a way to further specify. Although the 45 Schofield round would work in both service revolvers, the 45 Colt would only chamber in the Colt firearms.

@tootall5559

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheJurgisRud Thanks for the info. Still isn't the official name, and now that the scofield isn't around it wouldn't be needed. wouldn't the other round be a 45 Scofield?

@TargetSuite

3 жыл бұрын

@TheJurgisRud Thanks for the info!

@TargetSuite

3 жыл бұрын

@toot tall It's just a historic designation that carries on today. Nothing official. But don't tell that to FortuneCookie45LC. I'm just sayin' 😄

@TheJurgisRud

3 жыл бұрын

@@TargetSuite I've learned so much from FortuneCookie45LC. He's one of the few I support on Patreon. Most of his informative reloading videos are gone now because of KZread. but he's very active on Patreon.

I've heard bad things about the xtp mag in muzzleloaders of the bullet's not expanding. The mag has a thicker core and needs more velocity to expand. On whitetail may not be as good as the xtp