Wow that was dramatic. You can definitely tell which one uses phthalo blue in their formula. The RS impressed me like a green gold that can go deeper. I found the tonal range of the MH impressive as well. The luminosity of the DS, Hol, and Sen was gorgeous. The Mblu, I'm not sure what's going on there, but still interesting. Your MH mix was lovely. Another great video. Have a beautiful day.

@davejohnson5365

Жыл бұрын

Mmblu are so focussed on making every paint a single pigment, that they are then sometimes in a difficult position making a paint that originated as a two colour mix, like hookers

@stiviwonders

Жыл бұрын

I appreciate this! You excellently captured one of the vital points to make here, in terms of which ones are using Phthalo in their formula. Broadly, it goes without saying that they bear little to no resemblance at all with what William Hooker created. For the video, I structured the line-up based on, first, which one followed the original composition. Then the next ones based on the number of pigments and grouped the ones that shared similar pigments together. Thank you for your feedback on the mix that I created. I tend to make my own mix and with Hooker's Green, it makes me feel that I am respectful of the origin or history of the color and its creator. Glad to see you here and have a glorious day!

@stiviwonders

Жыл бұрын

Yes! MaimeriBlu's version is a beautiful one, perhaps it is just not congruent with the original formulation. It's their own take on the now "heritage" convenience mixture that Hooker created.

@jeannes

Жыл бұрын

@@stiviwonders Maybe Mblu's version is based on how Hooker's botanical paintings might look today... after several decades of fading.

@stiviwonders

Жыл бұрын

@@jeannes That cracked me up!🤣 To be fair with MaimeriBlu, their Hooker's Green version would be my choice for moody landscapes. I used to live in the Pacific Northwest and this color would fit the themes inspired by that part of the country.

My first step up from student grade paint was a pink tin of Paul Rubens water colors. I fell in love with their Hookers green. None of the bright spring hookers felt the same. Your video had me considering Roman and MH. Then you demonstraited the blended hookers at the end. Thank you! That was the most beautiful of all! Deb in Montana

@stiviwonders

8 күн бұрын

@LavenderDebs Hello, Deb! Thank you for sharing your experience with Hooker’s Green and your thoughts about the video. Like you, I am fond of the mix that I made because I really find joy in making my own mixes. However, whenever I need to do something quickly that involves Hooker’s Green, I tend to reach for the one from Michael Harding. I appreciate your message and thank you for being here!

I like your description of the Holbein Hooker‘s Green, it is rather obtrusively bright 😄.

@stiviwonders

Жыл бұрын

A generous "pop" of color! Haha! Which one is your favorite or which one calls to you?

@awatercolourist

Жыл бұрын

@@stiviwonders I think I gravitate towards the Roman Szmal and your mix more. With historic colours, I like the hues to be as close as possible to the original.

@stiviwonders

Жыл бұрын

@@awatercolourist I share the sentiment! I love honoring the creator, the color's heritage, and its significance. Thank you for appreciating my mix. I tend to combine my own colors but it's great to explore the convenience mixes sometimes.

Wow, what a difference a brand can make. I liked the mix you did the best, followed by WN & DS. Thank you so much for doing this, it saves me from making an expensive and annoying mistake.

@stiviwonders

Жыл бұрын

I appreciate that you found the video valuable and thank you for your feedback on the mix that I made. Hopefully others searching for Hooker's Green watercolor will find this video helpful as well. It would be painfully expensive to purchase a tube that does not meet one's project requirement. So glad to see you here again!

Roman Szmal and Michael Harding are my favorites!

@stiviwonders

Жыл бұрын

They are beautiful, especially for greenery/foliage depiction!

Wonderful almost meditating approach to the variety of just Hookers green. Thank you very much.

@stiviwonders

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for sharing that experience! I have envisioned my channel to be a destination for calm and color so your feedback confirms that I am achieving what I'm intending to do. Thank you for being here! I have Payne's Gray, Burnt Sienna, Cerulean Blue, PR206, PB60 and more lined up.

@katrinweigel3796

Жыл бұрын

@@stiviwonders And I am so looking forward to it :) Thank you very much!

Your mix at the end is a TRUE Hookers Green 🎉. So rich and vibrant and oh so elegant ❤. Also you reaffirm the importance of quality watercolor paper. So fascinating. Thank you for the time and care in your swatching 🙏

@stiviwonders

Жыл бұрын

That's heart-meltingly sweet, thank you! It is wonderful to hear that you enjoyed the video. I tend to mix my own color and this mixture turned out really well. And yes, quality watercolor paper is key because essentially, it is our pigment host or vessel. Thank you for your kind words and for being here! 🙏❤

PS. I JUST left a (long) comment on your PY129 video. I saw that I had missed this one. I came to WC from traditional Chinese painting, using mostly very old, organic, many mineral pigments. While I did plenty of “practice” paintings with my Marie’s and newer paint Chips..I fell in love with the single pigments. Now, almost my entire collection of Western watercolors are single pigments. I’m older, on a very small fixed income, but have found that just buying 2-3 tubes of single pigments/mo, (AND my eldest daughter, and best friend and I share and make pans for each other. In recent months I’ve actually been mulling some of my own. (My favorite, which I just got more of, is PB33, Manganese Blue…there’s just no other blue I’ve seen with it’s stunning vibrancy and the MIXES it makes are..incredible! Hookers green has always confused me because, as you show..they are all over the place. My best friend, a retired art professor actually thought my PB33 + PY150 made what she always thought as hookers green. I ALWAYS prefer as few pigments in the mix as possible…but compared to yours…I think I need a warmer yellow..my PO49+ PB33 is closest to M Harding or probably closer to RS. My only issue with that stunning green..I get a halo. I WAS able to do one painting a few weeks ago..something different in the amt of water..,I haven’t figured it out yet..my friend thinks it’s because I made it with PB33 that I went back and mulled it one more time. As much as I love granulation, sometime separation; I prefer smoother, less granulating colors these days. You also gave me an idea! I have a chunk of gamboge up in my cabinet…it was a part of the large box of pigments my (now) 96yr old, beautiful, feisty first tutor sent me from China. She had taught here in the US for 30yrs before retiring back to China. Her successor here had also sent me another chunk of gamboge which I gave to my friend. My daughter was too afraid of all the precautions I take with my most toxic paints…and Lili (my tutor in China), asked my daughter when she was here last year, to go look at my large chunk of gamboge and describe it to her. I was in the other room, but heard what was going on..I told my daughter she was about to learn some “4-letter” Chinese words. If ANYTHING will motivate you to paint more, it’s a 95yr old Chinese great grandmother setting a fire under your butt with Chinese swear words. Gamboge molds when you don’t use it or spray it down with 90% alcohol every day. 14yrs ago after my late son informed me I was going to learn Chinese calligraphy, MAYBE painting…he put Lili on my video chat (he was in China), a month later I had my first box of supplies. Several months after that came some pigments and the thinnest handmade paper I had ever seen (sized xuan, also known as glass xuan). Shortly after that, my “gamboge inspections” began. “You’re not getting anymore of my supplies unless you prove to me you’re taking care of them and actually USING them!” 😂. Although Lili’s health began failing-as did mine, we’ve still kept in touch every Holiday when their family gathers and we have a video call. When my precious son passed away suddenly 2 years ago; it was on a call with Lili and her family that my eldest (the artist), my best friend and I decided that CJ’s legacy was ALWAYS bringing people of different cultures together, emphasizing our similarities and educating each other about differences.(several days before his stroke in Florida, he was celebrating finally getting his return VISA’s to China and Nepal. He called me and asked me “mum, is it a sin to put LaoGanMa crispy in Chicken Tikka?” 😂. He LOVED cooking huge multicultural meals for friends and family. That evening he was mixing Chinese, South Pacific, Nepali/Indian and HIS version of southern fried seafood in beer batter with hush puppies made with beer..greens cooked with ham hocks, and cheese grits. 🤷🏼‍♀️. ONLY my Prince CJ would make a meal with hot pot, BBQ, Curry and Southern Soul food. Anyways, we decided to bring his legacy into our art and I began learning more about Western WC, and experimenting with ways of using techniques and materials, fusing East & West. The only thing I absolutely can NOT get used to is Western brushes. I’m spoiled. Lili sent my son to go stay with a professional brush artist for 3 days to quell my fears of any critters being harmed. (Except for the rats which are trapped and euthanized “humanely”. It’s a necessity in cities with 50 million people for safety…AND it’s a great extra income for the trappers! But everything is a reciprocal, beneficial process between farmers, ranchers, animal carers and brush artists-it’s an intangible cultural heritage, mandating strict oversight and adherence to practices in place 1000 years ago! This is ONLY for the REAL brushes made in China. Unfortunately..MANY copycat factories have sprung up around Southeast Asia that, obviously, aren’t governed by the ICH Act. 😔) My favorite brushes are 2 made when my son was there, both from the spring trimming/shearing of the artists pony and goat. (I later got many more from that artist and Lili…I’m saddened that I “loaned” so many out…never returned. I just hope they were put to good use) Ok, enough of an autobiography..this old lady needs to get busy..it’s 2am and I have things to do!

@stiviwonders

9 ай бұрын

Please accept my deepest condolences. I hope CJ's wonderful memories with you will help you to continue powering through, especially on days or nights when it can be extra rough. Please allow me to also say thank you for giving me a window into all these color and tool adventures! Xuan is one of my favorite surfaces. It is so delightful to work with! Of course, it doesn't come as a surprise at all to hear about the sophistication of your tools. After all, Chinese civilization is one of the oldest civilizations in the world. The country pioneered some of the concepts, tools, and technologies that we are enjoying today. I am glad you found the brushes and pigments that work for you. At the end of the day, what makes sense for your workflow is all that matters. Thank you for being here!

T Y Stivi for doing this one. After 20+ years of painting, I have never tried Hooker's Green. I don't even own any. I mix my greens, and the only greens I own are PG7 and Aquarius Green by R.S.. WOW what differences there are between brands of Hooker's Green! My favorite was the one you mixed. My favorite green is still PO49 + PG7.

@stiviwonders

Жыл бұрын

Swatching them is indeed a revelatory experience! Glad you found the video enjoyable. PO49 is one of my go-to constituent pigments also for making various shades of green. I love mixing my own colors and sometimes, it is fun to explore some convenience watercolors such as Hooker's Green. Thank you for being here! Love hearing your feedback, as always.

I really liked your new gamboge and Prussian blue mix 😊

@stiviwonders

11 ай бұрын

Thank you! I tend to make my own mixes and this one turned out well. It is great to know that you liked it too. I am glad you're here!

Fabulous video. Thank you. My favourites are Roman Szmal & Michael Harding. Really enjoy watching you swatch out the colours.

@stiviwonders

11 ай бұрын

That means a lot, thank you! I am glad to know that you enjoyed the video! Both colors appeal to me also because they have the vibrancy of fresh, natural greens without being visually overbearing. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and for being here!

Wow! I had not realised there was so much difference in the brands of Hooker’s green. Btw you always choose the perfect music to your videos. 😊

@stiviwonders

Жыл бұрын

Yes, the watercolors are wildly different from one another. It's great to see them side-by-side so we'd know what to use for certain projects. Thank you for being here and glad to hear that you like the "serenade" along with the color parade.

WN did it for me, I have alo heard they were first to formulate Hooker's Green. All were beautiful, stunned to see so much difference between the brand's!!

@stiviwonders

Жыл бұрын

Lovely to hear that! Straight out of the tube, Winsor & Newton also had the "creamiest" consistency, for lack of better word. As you've mentioned, each possesses unique beauty and this information can be useful down the road.

@Ancienttowers

9 ай бұрын

Dee, I believe you correct when you mention that Winsor & Newton formulated it first. That's true!

To my eye, the Roman Szmal is the most stunning. The Windsor Newton would be the second one that I am drawn too, on the hot pressed paper, it seems to have some other colors swirling around in there.

@stiviwonders

10 ай бұрын

Thank you for sharing your thoughts! Roman Szmal's Hooker's Green does reflect the green we see in nature.

My first Hooker's green was by roman szmal, and I loved it so much that I made the mistake thinking every brand has the same mix for Hooker's green 😅 it's unfortunate they only have their paint in pans but it's helpful to see that Michael Harding's is similar roman szmal's

@davejohnson5365

Жыл бұрын

R szmal mentioned that his paints were also going to be available in tubes earlier this year. Great news! But there must have been a delay, which is v frustrating as he provides many great options that other brands don’t.

@stiviwonders

Жыл бұрын

I love Roman Szmal's Hooker's Green too! Based on today's Hooker's Green parade, I can empathize with your experience with the non-Roman Szmal brands here that are a complete departure from the traditional formulation. Sorry to hear that! For some good news, in one of his interviews, Roman Szmal did mention that they're working on making their paints available in tubes soon so that's something to look forward to.

@stiviwonders

Жыл бұрын

We may have seen the same interview! I agree, Roman Szmal offers plenty of excellent pigments that it would be great to have them available in tubes. In a few weeks, I have another Roman Szmal video coming out. I hope it stirs further interest!

@E4Alabbasy

Жыл бұрын

@@stiviwonders I can't wait for the paint to be available in tubes 🥰

@stiviwonders

Жыл бұрын

@@E4Alabbasy Same here! That would definitely warrant a video too, when that day comes.

I love the way you painted nice long swatches and edited this video. These greens were a feast for the eyes. W&N Cotman was my first Hooker's Green so I tend to prefer that shade. It's close to their professional version, but a little more blue and a little more muted.

@stiviwonders

Жыл бұрын

I appreciate this comment so much and YOU! Thank you for your kind words, for letting me know that you enjoyed watching and for sharing about your preferred Hooker's Green. Please allow me to share that a video on my favorite Winsor & Newton watercolors will be up soon!

Wow! What a difference the brand makes with Hookers green. Different choices for different projects. My favorite was the one you mixed though! Great video! Thanks again!🎨🖌️☀️🌙⭐️🌎

@stiviwonders

Жыл бұрын

That is so kind, thank you! I prefer combining my own pigments whenever possible so I appreciate that you love it too! You are right that there is a Hooker's Green for every applicable project and we just need to find what's appropriate for it. Thank you for watching and for your thoughtful feedback. Have a glorious day!

Yay, you just saved me some more money! Definitely my new favorite channel! Thank you! ♥

@stiviwonders

9 ай бұрын

That's sweet, thank you! I am glad that the video helped in finalizing your purchasing decisions. Thank you for being here! ♥

Patty-I loved this. I am going to get this color in Sennelier, Holbein, and WN. These are the brands shown that I will have access to that are affordable for me. Thank you for sharing this with us.

@stiviwonders

Жыл бұрын

This is delightful to hear, Patty! The description box below has the links to the products. I hope they're helpful so you won't have to search for them online.

@patriciatolliver4057

Жыл бұрын

@stiviwonders there are 2 stores I have access to who sells these brands. I won't even have to wait for Amazon or USPS. 😃 I can't wait. I do have Sennelier Green though. It's gorgeous.

@stiviwonders

Жыл бұрын

@@patriciatolliver4057 That is glorious! I have a Winsor & Newton video coming up in a few days. I hope it stirs further interest.

Thanks so much for the comparison, it's particularly useful when there's broad interpretation and multiple pigments used by paint makers. I haven't used Hooker's green in years, but thought the Michael Harding (a new brand for me) color was lovely and the MH and DS looked like they had the biggest range from dark to light, actually all the swatches look like useful greens. I really appreciate you making your own mixes! The Roman Szmal HG is lovely, but I don't remember PY150 Nickel Azo Yellow being New Gamboge and don't think it was around in Hooker's time. Modern New Gamboge used to be PY153, a much warmer, leaning orange, yellow than PY150 (after the tree derived version of Gamboge became unavailable. Pease let me know if my memory fails me on this matter. RZ HG looks more like a nice sap green to me and it's also pretty easy to mix Prussian Blue with Nickel Azo Yellow or New Gamboge for a variety of greens, NAY and NG are both useful mixers. I'd imagine that Winsor & Newtons is probably closest to the original since WN has been making it since Wm Hooker's time in the early 1800s (though before phthalos were available).

@stiviwonders

Жыл бұрын

You're welcome and thank you for your kind words on the mix that I made. For most of my work, I create my own mixes. Michael Harding's professional watercolor range was launched some months ago (announced last October 2022 though) and pigment performance is beyond remarkable. As for Gamboge, it is either PY150 or PY153. I guess it boils down to preference, largely influenced sometimes by what the manufacturers decide to use and what is accessible. Or how yellow or yellow-orange leaning one requires. PY153 is a rarity nowadays although Sennelier has it on its line-up. PY150 is a modern pigment so yes, it didn't exist yet when Hooker formulated the original Hooker's Green. It's a modern-day option or alternative, as shown in the video. I keep a stock of Sennelier's Yellow Light (PY153) and it is excellent with a variety of blues for producing natural greens. Which reminds me of William Hooker's original intention for creating this now "heritage" convenience color named after him. Winsor & Newton's Hooker's Green does not suggest "organic" color or "authentic" green in nature and perhaps that's because of the Phthalo element to it. Maybe the first production runs did? A big maybe. Another lesson on why mixing pigments to create our own colors is an excellent route for watercolorists. Thank you again for being here! I have more videos to share.

@everartokelli

Жыл бұрын

@@stiviwonders Thanks for the reply, it's fun to geek out over watercolor pigments!

@stiviwonders

Жыл бұрын

@@everartokelli You're always welcome here! 🥰

I brought a Blockx hookers green and it’s very different to any other hookers green. I have a Sennelier one and a Winsor Newton one that are very nice that I really like more

@stiviwonders

Жыл бұрын

I agree! Blockx is on a different plain. Both Sennelier and Winsor & Newton are excellent options. I love adding a tinge of blue or red to them and then instantly, the color route changes. So magical to experience that!

MaimeriBlue is definitely Chrom Oxide Green. I was surprised. At least a very rich vesion of this colour.

@stiviwonders

11 ай бұрын

That seems to be the case! As you've said, it is a rich version of Chrome Oxide Green. It is an unexpected "Hooker's Green" but it is still beautiful.

Aha!😊

@stiviwonders

11 ай бұрын

Yes, you found it! 😊

Daniel Smith, Sennelier and Holbein. Your blend was beautiful. The others not so much. Thank you for this comparison. Very enlightening. I do have the Daniel Smith hookers green. ❤

@stiviwonders

Жыл бұрын

It is fantastic to know that you found the video enlightening. That is heartwarming to hear! Thank you for being here. ❤️

@patti3d

Жыл бұрын

@@stiviwonders I enjoy your videos! ✨🎨💕

@stiviwonders

Жыл бұрын

@@patti3d I appreciate that remark and YOU! 💕

@patti3d

Жыл бұрын

@@stiviwonders awe thank u 🙏

Thankful New Gamboge is no longer made the original way. The other substitutes work just fine. Even a Mars orange with it’s granulation and a blue either Viridian or Phalogreen bs is beautiful.

@stiviwonders

11 ай бұрын

I agree. The original Gamboge is toxic so it is not advisable. We are fortunate to have many options in the modern times while having access to pigments from the Medieval and Renaissance era. Thank you for sharing your Mars Orange + Viridian or Phthalo Green (Blue Shade) recommendation. That's what I love about this Comment section. There is so much helpful information exchange!

AWESOME, as usual darling! I'd have to say my favorite three are, Roman S., M. Harding, and YOUR mixture (honestly.... loved it, with the red tone and without). I own almost all the Holbein watercolors, and you know I haven't picked up their hookers green in AGES. When you swatched I was like, "holy crap...what the?", you know?! It was so fluorescent, but Holbein is like that aren't they? Their palette is just different, maybe geared toward Anime, Studio Ghibli. But I know they're not basing them on their traditional Asian pigments of old, which are still around, I own about twelve of them. Anyway, which way do you lean Stivi, is it toward the darker hues like Roman and Harding, or the middle like Winsor and Smith, or the ultra-funky bright ones? I got to add too, my lord help them, but the Maimari Bleu was just SAD! oh my lord...gosh. I hope it isn't most people's favorites. I wonder what made them go that route, considering the fact that so many folks love their tubes. I've yet to buy from their line but was thinking of getting the Jenna Rainie set to try it out. I think it is less than forty dollars on Amazon USA. Not bad for six colors, I think. Thank you Stiv, James

@stiviwonders

9 ай бұрын

Sounds like you thoroughly enjoyed the video James and I am glad to hear that! Thank you for your kind words on the mix that I made. To answer your question, for most of my work, I create my own mixes. Michael Harding's professional watercolor range was launched some months ago (announced last October 2022 though) and pigment performance is beyond remarkable. I've been enjoying working with his pigments. Perhaps I should say, "I've been indulging." MaimeriBlu's Hooker's Green is actually a sophisticated PG17. It's probably not the Hooker's Green one would expect but as a pigment, it has elegance to it. This pigment reminds me of the evergreen-rich hills in the Pacific Northwest. Speaking of MaimeriBlu, here is the video that I made on their pigments. I prefer choosing my own colors and you'll see some of them here, kzread.info/dash/bejne/iHV_lMizaLqYpdI.htmlsi=dKCVUVO_5GkeD-OB

Will you be sharing your painting project that you mention? If so, where? Thanks 🙏

@stiviwonders

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for asking! It depends. If the client requests privacy, then I will need to respect that. At some point, I will share some of my work here too.

I’m usually not a fan of green colors but I loved the hue you made. It was beautiful and I loved all the rest of them except Holbein’s and Daniel Smith. I think I would buy any of them.

@stiviwonders

Жыл бұрын

On the same boat with you here. I don't have a huge collection of green watercolors because I love creating my own mixes. I use yellows and blues, sometimes PO49 with any applicable blue. The Roman Szmal one makes a lot of sense for foliage depiction. Michael Harding's Hooker's Green too. The rest are applicable for specific uses and can be subdued by other pigments. It boils down to preference, I guess. That's why I make my own Hooker's Green and glad that you love it! Thank you!

First!

@stiviwonders

Жыл бұрын

It means one good day is coming up. Thank you for being here!

@awatercolourist

Жыл бұрын

@@stiviwonders Aaaawww! Thanks! 😃

@stiviwonders

Жыл бұрын

@@awatercolourist You're very welcome!

Maimeri blue looks like terra verte mixed with green chromium oxide. Not ugly, but really strange.

@stiviwonders

10 ай бұрын

It is a unique beauty! It reminds me of the evergreen-capped mountains and hills in the Pacific Northwest, when seeing them from afar.

@vilvile

10 ай бұрын

@@stiviwonders aaaw. The pnw. I live there

@stiviwonders

10 ай бұрын

@@vilvile I lived there for a while and I actually miss that area.

The Maimeri hooker's green is the same pigment as chrome oxide green (I've been looking at getting it myself!)

@stiviwonders

Жыл бұрын

Yes! It is essentially Chrome Oxide Green. Its granulation is stunning.