The fact that you started off with the bad thing makes me want to go through your videos and possibly subscribe to you. I appreciate someone that doesn't waist my time

@fmartmart8099

4 жыл бұрын

Waste

@polpox12

4 жыл бұрын

In this case it seem to be insane nitpicking. If you would use it for dogfighting but all dogfighting planes I know uses joysticks for a reason. I imagine most real aircraft have a deadzone in the center. It may actually be preferred as to not cause unwanted interaction.

@nawfalemad2845

4 жыл бұрын

@@polpox12 Not in most GA aircraft. I'm not too sure about aircraft with a fly by wire system but on the Cessna 172, the yoke interfaces directly with the control surfaces so a deadzone is impossible.

@taccos

3 жыл бұрын

i thought the same exact thing when this video started.

@dolphin4337

3 жыл бұрын

Nolan Emad true, but I don’t really don’t think it is all that big of deal. You typically aren’t making that small of adjustments anyways, especially if your aircraft is trimmed correctly.

Current price of the Yoke - amzn.to/2YUgrSv - Thanks for clicking like! DEADZONE UPDATE - You can boot the yoke into a special mode and recalibrate its internal sensors some people still have some deadzone with this but it fixes it for most people - also this yoke is BY FAR THE BEST YOKE on the market until you spend much more money . Not Just me with "dead zone" Issue kzread.info/dash/bejne/gXiAlLWkkbrXZdI.html&t=1482 kzread.info/dash/bejne/c5Oko9erfrqcYKg.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/jKtqzq96ZtS6ctY.html

I just got one and there is no dead zone I'm happy to report. 😊

@Antlegs

3 жыл бұрын

Ok thats great! that was the only reason i was holding off! thanks!

@Fluffy_g3

3 жыл бұрын

This is because you got lucky they calibrate it at factory and factory dose it fast and not properly

@olddogg60

3 жыл бұрын

@@Fluffy_g3 Well lucky me and I thought it was because it didn't have a dead zone. 😃

While my Honeycomb has a small deadzone (not as much as yours it seems) when you look at it on the control properties I honestly don't notice it at all when flying small GA aircraft. I'd definitely recommend it. It's definitely a TON better than Logitech Yoke that's for sure!

@PlaneBoy2520

4 жыл бұрын

SoTotallyToby how exactly is it better? I’m looking at buying one of these or the Logitech yoke

@SoTotallyToby

4 жыл бұрын

@@PlaneBoy2520 The Logitech yoke was designed over a decade ago. It's not had a hardware upgrade since. It uses crappy springs so there's a big detent in the middle and the Honeycomb uses bungee cords so it's much smoother. Check out some comparison videos :)

@finnleithomczyk5292

4 жыл бұрын

Ok Thanks, Will use the honeycomb

@PlaneBoy2520

4 жыл бұрын

SoTotallyToby ah thanks! Just bought a honeycomb yoke today!

@simonazamfir4355

4 жыл бұрын

But i dont have the money for one

Yesterday a person from Honeycomb recently posted on their Facebook page that the reason some yokes have a deadzone, and some do not, is that some of the early production units were calibrated incorrectly at the factory, giving them a deadzone they should not have. My yoke from the original preorder has a 5mm deadzone in elevator, and a 9° deadzone in aileron (5% of total rotation!). Also, I have found out that the yoke has a built-in "hidden" calibration routine that can be invoked to recalibrate with no deadzone at all - but those that have been told this procedure have been instructed to not make it public, as they are concerned a user could screw up their yoke even worse.

Nice review. I was looking into this Yoke for the FLight Simulator 2020 since it's on the supported controller list.

@quintenzappe3412

4 жыл бұрын

I think I might get this yoke when msfs2020 comes out then also pick up the honeycomb throttle quadrant when it comes out

Thanks for reviewing Brah! Made up my mind!

Great and honest review! Funny too 😂

This was a fantastic review, I'm really happy that you started the review with the bad thing, I have just ordered the yoke to replace my Saitek yoke which unfortunately broke

Great video & the dead zones seem to always be an issue on early production runs rather we're talking yokes, racing wheels, and even joysticks. Going to hold off until Honeycomb releases a pack with trifecta yoke, throttles, & rudder pedals.

THIS IS A YOKE!

@cyberwip

3 жыл бұрын

The Yoke's on you!

Any set of SIM racing pedals would work GM... Not ideal but it should do no? i do have flight pedals but I just can't be bothered switching them out in eliteD etc I just use my Fanny tech peds.

Man, looks awesome. Wish we had a yoke built to the Virpil standards, their sticks and bases are phenomenal, can only imagine what a yoke from those guys would be like.

Is it possible to hard mount the yoke to the rig somehow, or do I have to use that plastic thing to mount it? In that case, is there any holes in THAT so I can hard mount it, or is it only brackets or sticky pad? In that case I have to manufacture something or glue the damn piece to the rig...

As this got no update I'm assuming there has not been a Firmware update etc that addressed the Deadzone Issue? Comments seem a bit 50/50?

Great review

Subscribed looking forward to more videos

Does the mod mic have better quality than your headset mic? I feel like I’m listening to someone talk over the phone, not voip either but land line phone.

I got mine now some weeks ago. You can recalibrate it to remove the deadzone if there is any. I don´t have any deadzone at all and didnt have to recablibrate. One thing that can happen for me though is that cable that goes in between when it get perpendicular it create such resistance so I have to push that coil before the yoke moves. And thus there is kind of a deadzone pushing it! If I hold the cable out no deadzone. I will work it so the telephone cord is not to tight that should fix it. I only notice it in diview though in application its a complete non issue. It´s very responsive.

In a real C172 the trims on the yoke are for the auto-pilot (if it has one), the big wheel on the dashboard is the mechanical trim for the elevator. That's the one that you would use for manual flying.

Talking about rudders, you might wanna have a look at the MFG Crosswinds. Much less expensive than the thrustmaster and just as good, even if the action is not the same (it's more akin to a Me109 rudder than your usual pendular ones). Plus MFG is a tiny company, so the exposure can't hurt him.

@Nice-music585

4 жыл бұрын

88$ for the TM rudders on amazon. 291$ for the MFG crosswinds. how is it less expensive? im talking about the Thrustmaster TFRP Rudder FYI.

@Nice-music585

4 жыл бұрын

@Southy Yea they look awesome as well...anyways now that MFS 2020 is coming god know when maybe I'll be able to save for a full setup lol

@Nice-music585

4 жыл бұрын

@Southy I'm the only kid in the house, wife's insisting though lmao

I found one in stock and almost bought and then watched this. Did you fix your deadzone, was there a firmware update? Any solutions? I feel this video needs an update! :)

For flying a large amount of plans is this fine or getting a stick pedals and throttle kit better? So exited to get flight sim on series X I'll waste so much time on this game.

Has anyone used this yoke with a large commercial aircraft like the 737? I'm considering buying this yoke, but after looking at the buttons, it seems to be designed more for small GA aircraft.

Oh dear. The Logitech Saitek yoke has a deadzone too which CAN'T be fixed by software/firmware. You have to buy a Bodnar board to fix it. I worry this may be the same.

@concorde_7588

3 жыл бұрын

I know it’s 10 months later but I will still reply. The dead zone exists because of a calibration issue. Contact honeycomb support and they will tell you how to re calibrate it.

Great video! Love a cup of tea!🤣

The deadzone might stem from the potentiometer mounting. I had this problem with one of the clutch pedals on my Fanatec McLaten GT3 rim where the plastic inside had cracked. Maybe it's a loose screw? Could be fixable with some glue. (Rhyme intended)

@GamerMuscleVideos

4 жыл бұрын

If you look online it seems to be a common issue with the device, given the nature of the dead zone and how it's on both axis I'm pretty sure its to do with the firmware.

What specs do I need to play xplane 11 and will this honeycomb set up wrk

Do you need a PC to use this or will it work plugged in to a Samsung Smart TV? I honestly have zero knowledge about anything gaming. However I'm thinking about this as an Xmas gift but I don't have a PC. Just a laptop I use for work but I would need it to work on my smart TV if possible. Appreciate any replies, feedback. Cheers.

Did they fix the dead zone? Why didn't they use HAL sensors for such a quality yoke?

Any coupons for purchase? I am looking around and haven't found any yet

How thick of desk will it mount on? My desk is 4-3/4” thick

I'm surprised by your comments on the dead zone. My deadzone is nowhere near as big, I can do tiny movements on it easily. Maybe I just got very lucky!

@GamerMuscleVideos

4 жыл бұрын

Others seem to have same issue , I even recalibrated it in windows made no difference. kzread.info/dash/bejne/gXiAlLWkkbrXZdI.html&t=1482 kzread.info/dash/bejne/c5Oko9erfrqcYKg.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/jKtqzq96ZtS6ctY.html

Great review, a deadzone fix would turn a no-buy into a buy for sure

Have you tried fixing the deadzone with DIView?

I have the honeycomb yoke, and its actually a pretty big problem when i fly tue c172. It doesnt seem like a big problem but it is.

@uneCENT

4 жыл бұрын

Do you know if Honeycomb fixed the deadzone with a firmware update?

when i set mine up it had a pretty nasty deadzone due to rough calibration in the factory. there is a secret procedure to access the factory calibration mode, during which you have to set a zero point after turning it both left and right. any difference in these values programs the firmware deadzone. i used a pool cue on the floor to return mine to exactly the same point for both zero points and the deadzone is completely and totally gone, to the point where i can have 3 different position values in the resting position. if this causes trim issues i'll just iron them out with a software deadzone in the sim. couldn't be happier now

surely you can just adjust the curves & sens to remove it?

The dead zone problem only occurs with the first few released as a result of a problem in the factory. All should be perfect now if not you just need to recalibrate it.

GamerMuscleVideos has the deadzone been fixed. I was going to order this and Warthog for VR flying

I pre-ordered the Throttle and Ill buy the Yoke once its availible again.

Amazing camera work by Random Callsign again

@randomcallsign

4 жыл бұрын

Huehuehue

The lift function in 747 for example is auto-centered or not? I mean those centering springs in Yoke systems are realistic?

Can you try to review this again with the latest Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020? Also can you please compare this to the Logitech G Saitek PRO Flight Yoke System?? Thanks!!

I scraped the saitek pro flight yoke for the exact same reason. That deadzone makes no sense and makes it impossible to make a precision approach

That dead zone is very small, nothing compared to Logitech. I think it may be so you don’t accidentally move it

@GamerMuscleVideos

4 жыл бұрын

Yah its still better than logitech but its not right I think they will relase a fix for it within the next few months if not it would be worth modding it.

@Stoney3K

3 жыл бұрын

The Logitech one doesn't just have a big dead zone, it also has a lot of drag on the pitch axis, caused by the forward thrust bearing (just a plastic ring) in particular.

Can you use it with a usb 2.0 port or is it only usb c?

Is the modmic for ants?

Fernando Alonso's Favourite yoke this

I have nothing to say this just for the engagement 😃

Great video. Would your X55 throttle work in conjunction with the yoke? I know its not the same as a Cesna but surely more realistic than a mouse??? :D

@GamerMuscleVideos

4 жыл бұрын

Yah I have been using it with it :)

USB! congrats on the sponsorship James. (Shill!)

Looks nice. I'd probably buy it if they fixed the deadzone issue.

I was wondering, what is the cable going from the big box itself to the yoke for? I've seen this on real airplanes and don't really know the purpose

@GamerMuscleVideos

4 жыл бұрын

for the buttons on the yoke

@apexballoons

4 жыл бұрын

On real airplanes it's for the Push-To-Talk button, as well as if the yoke has electric trim switches.

Pc specs minimum plz for smooth flight tell me

Apparently the dead zone is gone now. Supposedly there was an issue with a large batch of them from the factory that had been calibrated incorrectly. If you have one of the ones with a large dead zone you can contact honeycomb support and they will tell you how to re calibrate it.

@zsoltviphoreca2

3 жыл бұрын

Hi. Have you idea where can I buy honeycomb Alpha and Beta? Everywhere was Sold Out. 🤔

why'd u depart with full flaps...?

I can confirm there is no dead zone; in most cases it can be caused by faulty hardware. Possibly drivers?

I take it they haven't sorted the dead zone issue yet?

Climbing out with 30 degrees of flaps at 45 knots? Nice.

Have you tried this? Found it on their website regarding the deadzone: "How do I fix the "deadzones" with my yoke? If you are experiencing "deadzones" with your yoke, then this is most likely a software issue. Make sure you have the latest drivers for the simulation you are using. You can find them here. You should also make sure that you download the simulations latest update as well. If you are using any simulation through Steam, there's a setting within Steam that may cause your "deadzone". To disable this: Open your Steam application At the menu bar, follow this path: Menu > Steam > Settings Click on 'General Controller Settings' Uncheck the box where it says "Generic Gamepad Configuration Support""

@GamerMuscleVideos

4 жыл бұрын

You can see the deadzone in Di view and windows drivers. Obviously different Sims have there own deadzones and input curve which you can change. There is a firmware deadzone on this device which can be fixed by modding with different controller board or if honeycomb guys release a firmware updates.

@Rizashi

4 жыл бұрын

@@GamerMuscleVideos yeah I did order the yoke and Arduino board at the same time actually. So if I won't see an update soonish and hate the deadzone I'll just mod it. :) But I read some comment here that the folks that made the yoke are making some new calibration tool so maybe best to keep the cutter in the pocket for a while longer.

Gees I can hear when you sponsored by mod Mike even before you announced them

Does it work with ACC GT4?

Maybe it’s your control software, cos mine works fine. Looking closely at the Cessna ailerons in x-plane mine has NO dead zone, it’s a great bit of kit

@GamerMuscleVideos

4 жыл бұрын

Others have the same issue and windows show the raw output from the yoke, even if you recalibrate its there , the abrupt nature of the deadzone makes it almost certain its a firmware choice rather than a hardware issue. kzread.info/dash/bejne/gXiAlLWkkbrXZdI.html&t=1482 kzread.info/dash/bejne/c5Oko9erfrqcYKg.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/jKtqzq96ZtS6ctY.html

Anyone know if the deadzone was fixed?

I was gonna go with a side stick bundled with rotor controls and a throttle quadrant but I think my opinion is changed!

I don't know why you're so sure this can be addressed by firmware. I pulled apart a joystick and one of the spring mechanisms had a sort of play to it that was contributing to the deadzone.

@GamerMuscleVideos

4 жыл бұрын

Fair enough , I was going by the fact some guy removed deadzone using a different PCB mod. There could be multiple things causing deadzone more or less for different people 👍

Did he just go full flaps for takeoff?

dead zone still not fixed?

Nice review.I wanted to buy this yoke but will it be supported for Mfs2020?

@GamerMuscleVideos

4 жыл бұрын

Yep , it's probably best yoke for ms2020 for price 👍💪

@eelmin3776

4 жыл бұрын

@@GamerMuscleVideos Thanks

@zsoltviphoreca2

3 жыл бұрын

@@GamerMuscleVideos can I ask you for a link, where can I find alpha and beta? (Europe) Thank you

no way to remove that deadzone?

i think its has deadzone

Is the deadzone fixed now ? ^^

Funny thing is, all the C152 i flew in real life have a larger dead zone than this yoke, but in this dead zone you feel no resistance, making it easier to be aware that you have no control of the aircraft in that particular zone

@GamerMuscleVideos

3 жыл бұрын

It's not really a deadzone in a real plane more just mechanical inertia and play before a controll surfice moves from your input. ( Or from external forces) The pressure of wind and Wight of the controll surfices fundimentaly change the dynamics of using a real yolk and can only.really be emulated with a FFB yolk. Non ffb devices should not have deadzones as it just gets in the way of precise input. Real plane I flew felt like totall crap in the yolk but due to g-forces and forces in the yolk it was 100x more precise than any non ffb joystick I have used 🤣

@arnaudmourier5971

3 жыл бұрын

@@GamerMuscleVideos Now if we could find FFB yokes at a reasonabe price, that would be nice! From what a saw, thay are all above 1000€

you sound like the crazy guy with an eye patch from ice age ;D

I highly doubt that for 239 quid it has a dead zone but also has “Aerospace grade internal components”.... I’ll have to ask some pilots if fly by wire has a dead zone. Maybe it does, I’ve never flown a plane.

@GamerMuscleVideos

4 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/gXiAlLWkkbrXZdI.html&t=1482 Here is another example kzread.info/dash/bejne/c5Oko9erfrqcYKg.html And another

Only one question.. does it have a dead zone?

@Simlife101

4 жыл бұрын

Did you not watch

This guy here has been shown a Calibration Mode by Honeycomb. Maybe this will help.

Hello, have you actually flown a real airplane? Unless you fly a flight by wire airplane with a sidestick ( airbus, falcon 7x, gulfstream 500)... you will have an actual deadzone in flight controls. So that means that the control is realistic, and maybe that deadzone characteristic was part of the built design.

@GamerMuscleVideos

4 жыл бұрын

Yes I have , and you have g-forces in a real plane so controls can be utter shit and still feel fine. Deadzone is not a good thing to have in an input device , if a player wanted a deadzone they can add it in the games software.

I wonder why nobody talks about the spring for the elevator which is so ridiculous strong, compare to the ailerons. This is not realistic. Is it only me who has this impression?

@GamerMuscleVideos

4 жыл бұрын

Yah it's certainly a bit too strong but it works ok it will probably get weeker over time though.

Shame about the deadzone, looks like a nice piece of kit otherwise.

Did the deadzone get fixed yet?

@GamerMuscleVideos

4 жыл бұрын

Nope 🙃

Wonder why they failed so much with the dead zone? hm

Landing was a 10! Fix the dead zone and they will sell like hot cakes

@treerexaudi

4 жыл бұрын

super cool

@jasontipton8430

4 жыл бұрын

Dead zone fixed learn to calibrate and it has zero deadspace calibration is simple my yoke has zero deadspace maybe half a degree if that

@jasontipton8430

4 жыл бұрын

Theres a youtuber his channel is called "almost aviation "he shows exactly how to put it in calibration mode and calibrate the yoke it is so simple and totally gets rid of deadzone.

@2Old4Forza

4 жыл бұрын

@@jasontipton8430 pretty sure the calibration tool did not exist at the time of this video

@GamerMuscleVideos

4 жыл бұрын

The deadzone still exists even if you re-calibrate it. It seems some of the yokes have issues and some don't.

Actually, a slight dead zone in roll axis isn't a big deal, and in an actual small GA plane depending on speed, there is a similar effect where slight roll axis inputs don't create a noticeable change in flight attitude (although, of course, there is a change to aileron deflection). You will typically be putting in much larger roll axis inputs at all times than pitch axis inputs. I don't have the Honeycomb yoke, but I wouldn't be put off from getting one because of the slight roll axis deadzone you show. Pitch sensitivity is much more important. The kind of fine adjustment necessary that you describe is far more often utilized in pitch movement, particularly when landing. And this yoke seems to have good tension for feel and no detent for smooth operation, and that's FAR more important compared to the kind of inexpensive flight sim yokes we've had up to this point.

Force Feedback or force waxing? :O

No offense but there's absolutely no way I'd get in a plane with you at the controls ;P

@GamerMuscleVideos

4 жыл бұрын

That's good because we are going out in a helicopter !

@alexsp7086

4 жыл бұрын

Half of the real pilots out there I would not get into an aircraft with :)) flying is easier than driving a car.

Is this how you normally talk?

you need to update this video and explain that a rushed calibration causes the dead zone and that any dead zone can be fixed by a recalibration.

@GamerMuscleVideos

4 жыл бұрын

Even recalibration with the tool does not fully fix the deadzone with all yokes.

@CDigata

4 жыл бұрын

@@GamerMuscleVideos Arhh I see.. quick question, is there an option in mfs settings to tell the sim which monitor to start up on as i do not want it to start on my primary ultra wide?

Basically it is shit till they fix the deadzone. Gonna watch the rest of the review when thats done. Gonna spend my Christmas money on something else :D

@GamerMuscleVideos

4 жыл бұрын

It's not "shit" still better than the Saitek yoke its just a big issue that negates one of the main reasons for using a flight yoke , I go into more detail later in the video :)

@boedhaspeaks

4 жыл бұрын

​@@GamerMuscleVideos OK gonna watch the review but still i think its strange they didnt pick up something like that in testing. (Or they must have flown big russian freightplanes)

@chiledog9442

4 жыл бұрын

boedhaspeaks you do not fly the Antonov 225. The Antonov 225 fly’s you!

7:54 flaps on the right setting??? hahahaha

Did GM fly a Cessna in real life? You'd think he would mention it...

@JustinNator98

4 жыл бұрын

Raging Beard Yeah, when he was in the US for the Flight Sim 2020 event.

@GamerMuscleVideos

4 жыл бұрын

He was making a funny 👍

@JustinNator98

4 жыл бұрын

GamerMuscleVideos now i feel stupid

Take a shot every time he says "dead zone", have fun.

@poxten

4 жыл бұрын

It try to play your game but us aid am infksosn Elwood a. Skosisbw. And Elsie desist do so

@VonSpud

3 жыл бұрын

Yep, far too many references to DZ. Other than that, a great review. Particularly like the comparisons to actual flight controls. Nice landing.

How's the elevator control on one hand? No one uses two hands on a yoke. Esp in landing and take off. Wouldn't mind trying one, but I have a scratch built PFC yoke to compare it to. And Saitek's pro flight yoke is garbage in comparison. If there's any kind of jerk when you're pulling or pushing down (granted, you trim the difference up real quick, but...).. No thanks. (with the slightest touch) Just in hardware, who cares about software if it doesn't even feel right. (I might have flown a plane or two) I've never never put two hands on a yoke in a real plane is all. Just saw the throttles and kind of want. A lot. (maybe upgrade, wondering how they are)

Flaps 30 for takeoff? That was your problem

I desperately need 1 flying 747 pia is my dream

you forgot to come back and say the deadzone was fixed.

You wouldn't typically use flaps at all in a Cessna 172 for takeoff :)

@GamerMuscleVideos

4 жыл бұрын

What if you want to clear the fence that you have to fly into due to lack of rudder controll ?

@shodancat1000

4 жыл бұрын

@@GamerMuscleVideos Ah yes, that's on page 55 of the POH. Forgot about that!

honey comb yoke and thrust master rudder is okay?

@GamerMuscleVideos

4 жыл бұрын

I'd probably spend more on a butter rudder pedal :) the TM rudders work but they are not very good unless you buy the really expensive ones.

honey