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@Bigpoppavery

3 ай бұрын

Whats your length will this be doable for 6’4?

@lr_spb

24 күн бұрын

Hello @Marc.Stones, how was the wind noise and the turbulence around the helmet at 120 km/h with the Givi windscreen?

This is the kind of reviews we want. Honest and real. I am tired of watching "reviews" which are basically advertisments. I bought the wrong bike watching dishonest reviews and I regret it. But bravo to this man

@Marc.Stones

2 ай бұрын

Thanks a lot for your feedback 👍

I had a test day on the x-adv at honda on 6-4-2024. I drive the NT 1100 myself and I have to say that the x-adv surprised me. It is a motorcycle with a low center of gravity and stable handling. The dct shifts incredibly smoothly better than with my nt1100 and the power is sufficient, it is also equipped with more than enough driving modes. It is a motorcycle that will give you a lot of riding pleasure.

I have an X-Adv for about 4 months now and have ridden 3000km with it. Mix of city commuting, road rides and a little gravel (light ones). I am thrilled of how user friendly it is: extremely easy to ride, with almost all the comfort of a scooter (except for the helmet compartment size) and power of a road bike. In fact, if you try to ride it on Sport mode, you'll be amazed by the power this engine delivers. So, I'd say that's a very good mix. Personally, I came from a 300cc scooter (Xmax) and had no problems at all adapting to the X-Adv. Also, I notice that everyday I am more at ease with it much because of the sense of security the bike inspires when riding. It's true it's an expensive bike but you get quality for money undoubtfully. Last thing: don't hesitate for a second in buying the foot pegs! It's definitely a game changer for the riding position!

@Marc.Stones

11 ай бұрын

Thanks for your feedback 👍

@bobhaddadd

11 ай бұрын

Is X-Adv better than the yamaha Tmax? When you were looking for an upgrade from the Xmax, did you think of the Tmax first or gone all the way to X-Adv? Im being confused to be honest which one is better!

@Marc.Stones

11 ай бұрын

The Tmax was no alternative for me. I owned a Xmax 300 and was very happy with it. The X ADV is completely different than the Tmax and difficult to compare. The best is do a test ride with both and see which one fit better for you.

@mgerfger5703

11 ай бұрын

Just traded in my Xmax 300 for the Xadv. Cant wait!

@disco4553

10 ай бұрын

Nicely said

The thing I like about the X-ADV 750 versus other Honda DCT bikes is that being a scooter rider most of my riding life, I have always preferred the scooter style of braking with two hand controls instead of the typical motorcycle style of right hand and right foot (the exception being the Honda Helix back in the day which I adapted to but never preferred). Especially when given the fact that I’m left handed and my ability to dial in how much back brake to use is infinitely better with my left hand than it could ever be with my right foot. No handicap involved, I just prefer the instinctual braking with two hands over the right hand/right foot combo. Add to that not having to be stuck in one foot position due to pegs or small foot boards. So yes, the NC750X and he CTX700 are all well & good, and honestly not off the table completely either, but get me a scooter anytime and I’m golden.

Well done, good explanation of the pros and cons of the Honda X ADV 👍👍

Not sure why anyone would think it is a scooter, under that skirt is a motorcycle. A motorcycle engine, gearbox and chain drive point to it's true heritage. The lack of under seat space is down to the a traditional motorcycle drive train being under all that plastic. For me at least, a scooter has CVT and has the location of the engine mounted more or less close to the rear of the bike and that configuration gives all that extra under seat space that scooters are renowned for. My NC750X has the same parallel twin and is a cracking engine. Good review.

@Marc.Stones

11 ай бұрын

Thanks for your feedback ✌️

@intoconjunctions

8 ай бұрын

Is the NC750 the same price? Not sure why this would be any better than the NC

@blearyview2254

8 ай бұрын

@@intoconjunctions last time I looked it was at least £3k more expensive than the NC although the ADV has improved suspension and some other bits.

@haroldsomehands4271

3 ай бұрын

It's a scooter. A superb scooter.

@blearyview2254

3 ай бұрын

@@haroldsomehands4271Nah, it a motorcycle with a fancy skirt on, but agree it is superb.

It seems to be a universal phenomenon to confuse the horn and turn signals when driving a Honda vehicle. The footpegs that provide a wide range of seating positions are excellent! The downside is that motorcycles is very heavy. As someone who switched from the ADV150 to the X-ADV, I strongly feel that difference. Thank you for the wonderful impression video.

@Marc.Stones

11 ай бұрын

You are absolutely right with the turn signals :-) happens to me quite often. Thanks for your feedback

@philippineeagle5887

7 ай бұрын

Honda's refusal to acknowledge and change the position of the horn and turn signals is a sign of their ego. It is my constant complaint with the ergonomics of all their motorcycles. But with that said, it is not enough to be a deal breaker for me.

Thanks for the video, agree about the price 👍

There is another similar option as well for shorter riders which is forza 750 , as the seat hight is 79 MM & It's more city commute or tourer for those whose not interested in adventurer or gravel roads Thanks for the review

Most honest review!

2023 xadv 750 sahibiyim. Ve videodaki tespitler doğru. Evet fiyat yüksek. Ancak şehir içinde Forza250'den çok daha kıvrak ve kolay. Bence muhteşem bir motor. Tüm bakışları üzerine çekiyor. Ben çok memnunum.

@karamanow

11 ай бұрын

Bende de 2021 modeli var, deposu çok küçük ve kalan menzili göstermemesi büyük eksi bence.

@SoloTurk86

11 ай бұрын

@@karamanow Evet. Forza250 kalan menzil bilgisini verirken bu motorun vermemesi ilginç. Depoda en azında 18lt olmalıydı.

i have to agree to the price being a huge factor. In singapore this bike is currently going for SGD$38,000 or €26,000 without any accessories. But its a great bike to handle all your needs. An SUV on two wheels

@jayjay-eu5iv

10 ай бұрын

In sg which bike is cheap all so ex 😂. Sg itself is ex hahahaha

@Isz2134

29 күн бұрын

In Thailand it is $12,000.

Great review. Thanks. My personal Cons are price and chain drive which I totally agreed with you...other cons that we will put up with it as we cant do anything about. I plan to buy a used one which can save some since feel boring and tired with clutch motorcycles that I've been ridding for more than 20 some years.

I had the same problems with the indicator and horn buttons 😀

@Marc.Stones

11 ай бұрын

It takes some time until you get used to it ;-)

I love this bike

very good review!

Great video.. simple & informative for me. Tq bro.. 👊🏻 😊

Thanks a lot for the movie.

nice review!

I've put a lot of miles on maxi scooters, Burgman 650 , kymco ak550. The reason I like them is no engine heat in the summer. And I didn't have to spend hundreds of dollars on finding a comfortable seat. And they are more than capable of 500 mile days.

@scooterventure switch on the ignition when you want to manoeuvre your adv. You will be surprised how easy it is to move! I have one and only realised it after 6 months. Still very happy with mine after 16000 km. Very reliable

@Marc.Stones

11 ай бұрын

Thanks, very good tip 👍🏻👍🏻

Awesome like my X ADV 2019 model.

This is what I would call and "all rounder" and I like it. I learned to ride on scooters and worked my way up to an Africa Twin DCT. When the time comes for a new bike I'd like to downsize a bit. I like a bike that can do a bit of everything, and understand that this would come at the cost of being "master of none". But I'm not looking for mastery. I want to feel as comfortable and safe on a major highway as I would on a rugged back road, or rough construction zones. I want to do gravel and take a 2 week tour around the country too. I want a bike that I can turn around on a tight road easily without the struggle of grunting and paddle walking on the large, top-heavy Africa Twin. I'm no master of spin turns and never will be. I can barely do a tight U turn. I've looked around and test drove a few other bikes, but trading in cannot feel like a downgrade, so maybe the high quality of the X-adv with it's modern approach is worth considering. Also I miss the storage abilities of these scooters. I had a C650GT and loved the amount of luggage it would carry on a camping trip. My problem is I'm on the wrong side of the Atlantic and scooters above 400cc just arent available here.

@Marc.Stones

6 ай бұрын

Thanks for your feedback :-)

If you think Honda its quite expensive,i think its affordable price with higher tech of motorbike compare with BMW brand or many others European brand.And also this bike is tought and reliable at any situation on daily users.Maintainace also cheap and easy to gets sparepart compare with European bike.I think Honda do a good jobs.I love Honda"The power of dream" forever.

Now that you've had the Honda for a while, do you prefer the Honda or BMW? I am enjoying my C400x. Keep up the great vids!

@Marc.Stones

11 ай бұрын

Difficult decision, because they are so different, but you will see in the next videos ;-)

@koendestercke

11 ай бұрын

I had a c400gt before and is was the most miserable scooter I ever owned. I sold it purely out of misery. The cost of ownership of and adv is much lower then a bmw c400

@Marc.Stones

11 ай бұрын

I also owned a BMW C 400 GT and never had any problems. what problems did you have with your BMW? Insurance and tax costs in Germany are higher for the Honda than for the BMW, workshop costs are the same.

@koendestercke

10 ай бұрын

@@Marc.Stones I had a broken seat to begin with had to wait 6 months for a replacement. The keyless system needed a new key battery every 6 months. The Bluetooth connection between helmet en phone and bike was always a trouble to get connected each time I started. In winter time te engine temp drops to 58C and after replacing te thermostat it was still the same issue and then they claim it is normal. Then the rear wheel bearing broke. Then I had starter problems which made the battery voltage drop under 12 volt and triggered dtc’s the starter and cables where replaced but still the problem was there. Then they did the 20000km maintenance and replaced the silent blocks from the rear suspension to softer ones. It was a standard replacement part they said but finally I found out that there was a vibration issue on the market so it became a standard maintenance part. The customer always pays for bmw design mistakes. Finally at 36500 km the cvt belt snapped on a busy highway before it’s maintenance interval. I had to leave this thing so many times at the dealer ship that I decided to buy a Honda again. I payed 1600€ in maintenance to drive 20000km. In Belgium a Honda is much cheaper and much more reliable.

@ArmadilloGodzilla

10 ай бұрын

​@@koendesterckeit's made in China, isn't it?

I bought the X-ADV to do city to city, "Adventure", riding the twisties and do a little bit of offroading. Its like a swiss army knife and quite cheap if i would have bought a scooter and a motorcycle to replace it ;). I am very happy for what it does but its usecase has to match.

I own ADV350 but if money is there, x-adv750 is my next one for traveling around Asia.

Don't drop it !!, I dropped mine at 10mph and the replacement plastic parts were £2500 😢, I absolutely love it though 😃👍🏻, oh and for the chain get a TUTORO chain oiler 👍🏻

@Marc.Stones

11 ай бұрын

Wow thats a lot of money. Thanks for the tipp

schieben funktioniert VIEL leichter, sofern der X-ADV an ist / der Motor gestartet wurde. Ansonsten schiebt man gg einen Widerstand - > Unterschied = deutlich. Dein X-ADV wiegt durch die vielen Anbauteile vermutlich locker an / über 260 kg. Da leidet natürlich die Handlichkeit

I think she's a little heavy because of the added extra features for off roading. It's a nice combo.

As for the controls on the steering wheel, I do agree, the horn and the turn signals should have been the other way around, but also the small paddles to shift manually should have been better positioned and especially the minus switch, for this one I have to bend my thumb too far which feels unnatural. As for the chain for this, you have to take the time to maintain it, but it doesn't take much time if you know how, but you can also be lazy.

10:50 - if you want to have everything, buy the X-Adv. - I just sold my perfect NC750X for a X-Adv.

Hallo Marc, ein ehrliches Pro-Contra-Video wie mir scheint! Und ich mag den X-ADV immer noch nicht! Er hat für mich für einen Scooter einfach viel zu viele Nachteile eines "echten" Motorrades. Und als (Enduro)Motorrad ist er einfach zu schwer. Dazu noch der Preis. Nee, da bleibe ich doch lieber beim günstigen "echten" Scooter plus einer Reiseenduro. Ich wünsche dir aber viel Spaß mit dem X-ADV und vor allem allzeit gute Fahrt! DLzG ✌️😎 🛵&🏍️👍👍

@r.9499

11 ай бұрын

Darum sieht ihn Honda auch nicht als Scooter, sondern reiht ihn als Adventurebike - "echtes" Motorrad mit ein paar Vorzügen vom Roller. Schon wird ein Schuh draus und billig gibt`s dann woanders. Cooles Teil sagen jährlich Tausende Italiener + Franzosen und kaufen das Ding .... und für die Mitteleuropäer gibt es ja die chice GS + die tolle Vespa

@la_grenouille_de_la_vallee

11 ай бұрын

@@r.9499 Ich mag den HONDA_X-ADV trotzdem nicht! Und die VESPA nur zum Anschauen! Und für die BMW_GS gibt's auch etliche BESSERE Alternativen. Zum gemütlichen und entspannten Touren bevorzuge ich einen Scooter vom Schlage eines BURGMAN's !!! Und mir ist es ziemlich egal was Andere (Europäer) denken. Nach jahrzehntelangem Mopped fahren habe ich genügend Erfahrung und eigene Anforderungen an ein motorisiertes Zweirad !!! Aber jeder soll das fahren, was ihn glücklich macht !!! DLzG ✌️😎

Horn and indicator are not inverted, they're inverted everywhere else. Honda keeps indicator toggle in most effortless position and horn button further away - only logical.

Good video. But I would choose the Honda Shadow with the 750 engine. It has a competitive price, and lower seat, and easier to mount. It has larger wheels which are less affected by potholes and bumps. And best of all, the Shadow is shaft driven. I see no reason to get a scooter if it is chain driven.

The horn button is almost impossible to find when you want to use it fast. The mode button is to big for no reason, cause if you want to use it it is easy with a fast look. The wind shield vibrates and makes noise on even small road bumps (i have put 2 small corks to make it noiseless). Its the base of the wind shield a bit loose , you can see that by moving with the hand. I have tested varius XAVDs and all have the same problem.

Great review Marc and quite helpful to me. I need to get your opininon for the side panniers please. I'm planning to mount the original honda side panniers as well, but not sure if they ruin the aerodynamics while driving or cornering, or if they make wind noise during long tours ?

@Marc.Stones

Ай бұрын

I had no problem with the handling and there is no wind noise noticable.

I think these hybrid scooters/motorcycles could also be a great in between for people who, for whatever reason, can no longer physically ride normal motorcycles. The standard dct would be great for someone whos got bad arthritis or needed a knee or hip replacement, but can still balance

@Isz2134

29 күн бұрын

Exactly, especially older people who still enjoy riding

Wow

Wish they'd bring back the honda nm4.

The DCT change frequently between gear 2 and 1 during slow is so annoying even in manual mode.

I think it's a big problem that the gas tank is very small and does not show the remaining distance.

@lhunt480

9 ай бұрын

When the tank goes into reserve it DOES show how much is left to run.

@karamanow

9 ай бұрын

@@lhunt480 how?I dont understand

@kahhin

6 ай бұрын

​@@karamanow If this feature similar as NC750X , it will start blinking on reserve from the oil level indicator , the reading will start increase from 0.0L > 0.1 > 0.2 , the value it's mean start to use reserve fuel , the max I tried 1.5L on NC750x , I'm not sure the max value is how many L for XADV.

It is definitely overprized especially for the selection of proper motorcycles available for that money. But as you rightly say, it depends what one is looking for. Great honest review, thank you.

@Marc.Stones

9 ай бұрын

Thanks for your feedback ✌️

I currently have a vespa gts300 but am looking at this motorcycle, as well as a Burgman and africa twin with dct. In Munich, the vespa is very good but on Landstraßen it starts to show weaknesses and on autobahn it's really bad. I want something a bit more fun, i.e. more powerful.

@QuoVadis316

6 ай бұрын

Ich habe mich auch ein Vespa 300 überlegt. Und dann für den BMW C400X entschieden. Bin super zufrieden 👍 Ich fahre 90% Landstraße, das macht mir einfach am meisten Spaß. Aber auf der Autobahn kommt er auch gut mit

@Isz2134

29 күн бұрын

ADV350

Can I fit a cabin sized luggage at the legs while riding?

hello .what do u think about the disturbing sound of windshield at setting high? I tried 3 new motorcycle new xldv brand new and mine honda says its a normal problem.on the stand also windshield has shaking or not not standing?did u tried or any bad experience of this?danke

@Marc.Stones

11 ай бұрын

My windshield does not shake, even in high position. The sound and turbulences are high, thats true. Thats why I wear earplugs while riding.

Please help me, where did you buy your more confortable seat and your wind shiel and what type are they? Thank you in advance.

@Marc.Stones

11 ай бұрын

The seat is custom made by a saddler, the windshield is a PUIG one. Cheers Marc

Hello sir, thank you for your videos I don't understand everything because I'm French, I wanted to ask you what you think I'm 1m70 (5'7) tall would I have problems with the xadv or height level it can do it I know I'll never have both feet on the ground

@Marc.Stones

11 ай бұрын

Hi, the X ADV is quite high, so you might have a problem to flatfoot on the ground, depends on the length of your legs. Best is to make a test ride.

@qdrvision

11 ай бұрын

@@Marc.Stones OK, thank you, because I know it's impossible to have both feet on the ground, but it's especially when I'm stopped that I'd like to have at least almost one foot on the ground, so I'm going to ask Honda for a test drive. Thanks for your reply!

Unfortunately we're not going to get adv x in Australia or the NC 750😢

@jimnolan9757

9 ай бұрын

I'm in NZ and same here however I am going to chase it up. I want the x-adv. I would keep my Vespa 300 hpe for around town however. The x=adv would replace the street triple RS, I don't need the power and its too bloody cold in winter.

hi marc, are you using a holographic dashboard screen protector? do you have a link for it?

@Marc.Stones

Ай бұрын

Hi, yes, I use one, I got it from my Honda dealer.

Você falou que aí a xadv custa 13.000 euros, aqui no Brasil a 2023 eu ia comprar por 18.000 euros, e acabei comprando uma 2019 por 13.500 euros. Aqui ela é classicada como Max Scooter, abaixo dela a AK 550 Kynco é depois Maxsym 400 SYM

@Marc.Stones

11 ай бұрын

É uma diferença de preço muito grande.

I have a 2020 honda nc750x. Which do you think has more power and top speed, which would you choose for yourself?

@Marc.Stones

11 ай бұрын

The X ADV has the new engine with more hp. Both are great bikes, the X ADV is a Crossover and the NC750 a motorcycle.

@K0nst4nt1n96

9 ай бұрын

The NC has higher topspeed. The X-ADV is like a brick wall in the wind. The NC could do aroun 200kph and the X-ADV is more like 170-180

Is this capable of doing longer tours with pillion ? I have a Yamaha xmax 300 and a Kawasaki versys 650. I would like to have one bike that can more less do it all (one insurance , one service , one parking space etc ) would this be the bike ?70% commuting 30%touring

@Marc.Stones

12 күн бұрын

I think it is a quite good tourer, but it is too heavy for me for city rides. I had a X Max and did some touring with it 👍🏻

If BMW modifies or basis the c650gt develops an adv bike. they will make this honda adv at this price look very expansive.

Nice video, does the honda have cruise control?

@Marc.Stones

3 ай бұрын

No cruise control available fore the X ADV

@peluchehere2326

3 ай бұрын

@@Marc.Stones hmm that is a big con…

What is better than the XADV? you have just slagged it off . So what adventure Scooter is better than the XADV?

Marc i have left side cerebral palsy you dont have to shift this do you?

@Marc.Stones

3 ай бұрын

No, it shifts automatically

Mich nervt die Handbremse, steckt bei mir dauernd. Gewicht ist auch für mich mit 170 ein Thema, ausparken aus engen Lücken ist schon ein Krampf. Steig per Seitenständer auf, linker Fuß aufs Trittbrett und dann einfach über den Sitz mit dem rechten Fuß…

@curtis164

11 ай бұрын

Das Gewicht ist wirklich recht hoch. Das Aufsteigen über das Bike per Fußrasten hat Marc doch gezeigt, musst du bis zum Ende schauen 😀

@aeXmAEn

11 ай бұрын

@@curtis164 ja habs eh gesehen, hab nur meine Variante um auf den Bock zu kommen erklärt.

Hi there, forza 750cc vs xadv what would u choose sir?

@Marc.Stones

10 ай бұрын

Hi, both are very good. X Adv for adventure and street Forza for more road orientation.

Sir, Can I use it daily on a heavy traffic place here in the Philippines? Is it fuel efficient? Can it do 25+ kpl?

@Marc.Stones

11 ай бұрын

The fuel efficiency is good, for heavy traffic in the city it could be a bit heavy ... 236 kg

@K0nst4nt1n96

9 ай бұрын

You can ride with around 3,2l/100km (31km/l)

I have ridden bough scooters and bikes and love the bough but for that on I will pass. Had the 400 Majesty and loved it, added the top box and plenty of room for storage. It was great on the highway and back roads. But if I am going with a chain drive I will get a bike and put on hard side bags and a top box. This thing is not a scooter or a bike. And the price for what you get no thanks.

How to buy in India

In Greece cost 14 670€ naked

Ja ist halt der einzige seiner Art, und solange er sich in Rollerländer wie Italien verkauft wie warme Semmeln wird's nicht billiger. Mich stört das es keinen Stromanschluss irgendwo vorne gibt und die LED unterm Sitz naja noch schlechter geht's nicht. Mfg.Silo ✌️✌️ nicht vergessen

@Marc.Stones

11 ай бұрын

Hi Silo, das mit dem USB Anschluss stimmt, da muss man selber nachrüsten. ✌️ VG Marc

@Silo70

11 ай бұрын

@@Marc.Stones Ja Hallo! Hab ich gemacht 😀 war auf deine Anspielung auf den hohen Preis gemeint,da sollte schon etwas mehr sein als ein USB-C unterm Hintern 😄😄 Danke für die Antwort und schöne Saison noch👍 Mit freundlichen Grüßen Silo

Honda Integra 750 same engine and gearbox less expensive smaller case

Does your top box vibrate at all?

@Marc.Stones

9 ай бұрын

No, fits perfect.

17000 is disgusting ..I reckon it's probably more here in Ireland ...I'm going to see a older trade in on Mon or Tues ..no idea how I will feel but price apprehension is already nagging me ...a new 400 burgmann is 10,000 here

Hi where did you buy the seat?

@Marc.Stones

4 ай бұрын

Hi, it is custom made.

Sir, question: how tall are you?

@Marc.Stones

Ай бұрын

Hi, I am 188 cm

whats your body length?

@Marc.Stones

11 ай бұрын

188cm

Does it have a cruise control system?

@Marc.Stones

11 ай бұрын

No :-)

@mileglavash

11 ай бұрын

😅@@Marc.Stones

Una moto 🛵 tan bonita. Lástima de esas maletas que la desgracian toda, que horror 😱

People in the United States did not like this motorcycle, and it did not sell well. A couple of years ago they were selling them for $8000 because no one wanted them. This bike is over $15,000 and I consider that to be vastly over priced.

Too small trunk AND - NO CruiseControl !!! - these are THE cons !!

I simply don’t understand the weight. My Tiger 900 is lighter

Wo hast du die Sitzbank machen lassen?

@Marc.Stones

11 ай бұрын

Beim Sitzbankdoktor

Quit an honest review. The end of the review says it all: good bike but the price is over rated. 😢

what is your height sir?

@Marc.Stones

8 ай бұрын

188cm

Hello. how tall are you?

@Marc.Stones

9 ай бұрын

Hi, 188cm

How tall are you? how is it for someone 1.75

@Marc.Stones

4 ай бұрын

I am 188 cm

@TemplarLove

14 күн бұрын

I’m 1.69 and I have to tip toe when sitting down. Definitely too big for me

Wie groß bist du eigentlich?

@Marc.Stones

10 күн бұрын

Eigentlich 188 cm 🤙🏻

I drove allkinds of bikes and scooters , it is for sure a scooter and the best build ever and i would never excgange it for what bike or scooter what so ever . btw , it feels almost if you should be ashamed driving a scooter , sponsor me and i drive around the world with the Honda X-Adv 750 !!! 🌻🌞😘🌞🌻

foot forward isn't going to happen here 1

you can put gloves inside the helmet, even kidney belt, so...

scooter or moto - c? it's a cross dresser

Na verdade é um pato. Voa mal, anda mal e nada mal.

@lhunt480

Ай бұрын

Stupid

@Isz2134

29 күн бұрын

Silly comment

Lol, an expert in `getting on a bike` but didn`t show you can stand on a peg to swing a leg over :)

@Marc.Stones

11 ай бұрын

Haha, better look the video to the end, then you see that I also show how to get on the bike with the pegs. 3:09 :-D

In my opinion it is more to styling. For adventure?? I think it's not suitable because of it's weight. Light weight adv is more efficient & versatile

How can we make a petition to get this bike to US 😞😭 The fastest maxi we can get is the AK550 nothing else