No AI. No paper. Just a brain, a sense of logic and 10 seconds of your life.

@mb-3faze

25 күн бұрын

Compared with many of Presh's puzzles, this seems entirely trivial. What were people getting confused about?

@luisfilipe2023

25 күн бұрын

Yep how is this problem even remotely difficult

@taragnor

25 күн бұрын

@@mb-3faze Mainly the significance was that the AI couldn't solve it. Which is actually something I've noticed with ChatGPT. It is terrible at very basic reasoning/logic like in this problem. So for all the "It can pass the BAR exam!" claims, it's good to see counterexamples where it is stymied by a very simple problem.

@egaLwie.

25 күн бұрын

Fr

@nijucow

25 күн бұрын

​@@mb-3fazethe wording. It's written horribly.

430129 all you had to do was understand the concept of base 10.

@normalchannel2185

25 күн бұрын

This violates rule 4 Rule 4 says 9 is in place that is 0.01 the place of the 1. I.e 9 is 2 steps before the 1. 921034 works

@praney_pdr

25 күн бұрын

​@@normalchannel2185it ain't violating no rules. 430129 is right, as 9 is two places behind the 1. In your answer, every other rule is violated as well

@arifhossain9751

25 күн бұрын

@@normalchannel2185 9 is in the place 100 times _less_ than the 1 Which means it is 2 spaces to the *Right*

@arifhossain9751

25 күн бұрын

@@praney_pdr He's doing them the wrong way round. The answer is flipped.

@fifiwoof1969

25 күн бұрын

​​@@normalchannel2185WRONG!!!!!!!!!!! Hope you don't have kids! Let us all know when you graduate maths, you JUST failed this question!

That is embarrassingly trivial.

If parents are struggling with this question then our educational system has failed us miserably.

@mrxmry3264

24 күн бұрын

There is other evidence that the education system sucks. Just look at all the idiots who believe that the earth is flat.

@marksmith8079

24 күн бұрын

It is however attrociously expressed. Places don't a value. Lines 4 and 5 misses out words.

@Vgamer311

24 күн бұрын

@@marksmith8079they do though? 1s place, 10’s place, thousands place, etc. is how its commonly expressed both in and out of school its also explicit that its talking about the “place” (digit placement) as opposed to something like the value of each number. The wording is fine, people just apparently forgot how to reason

@1st2nd2

23 күн бұрын

Eight out of five people suffer from math illiteracy.

@subhasdas501

23 күн бұрын

​@@1st2nd2you are in that group

I solved it in my head before Presh was done reading it. I have no idea which math grads this concerned dad was talking to.

@penteractgaming

25 күн бұрын

Ones that cheated all the way to their "degree"

@mrxmry3264

25 күн бұрын

i had it before he even started reading the clues.

@fifiwoof1969

25 күн бұрын

How did they graduate? I wanna see their written exams. THAT is an EXCELLENT maths question. Congratulations to the teacher who came up with it, take what you can get from here, school won't give out bonuses that's for sure!

@fifiwoof1969

25 күн бұрын

@@Buckminster.Fullerene he is one!!!!!

@andrewhooper7603

24 күн бұрын

The ones that write click maximization algorithms.

Hmmm. Not that challenging. Took 20 seconds by head calculation.

@dinglejono

25 күн бұрын

Same

@123xqp

25 күн бұрын

Same. It is from the Daily Mirror...

@eowynmoonlight

25 күн бұрын

Same

@mrxmry3264

25 күн бұрын

20 seconds? that long?

@MegaUpstairs

25 күн бұрын

Yeah it's just sorting.

I refuse to believe that "math graduates" couldn't solve this one.

@fifiwoof1969

25 күн бұрын

I prefer to believe they're not actually graduates and shouldn't be breeding. Questions like this should be a lightbulb moment for any student taking this class.

@WombatMan64

19 күн бұрын

Nah, math graduates weren't having issues, this is just headline writers being dull and trite in order to generate clicks. How many times are scientists "baffled!!!" by some new discovery or observation? When you actually read the article, and not just the headline; they're not baffled at all, but usually excited because the new discovery has lead to a better understanding of the universe.

@hafirenggayuda

19 күн бұрын

Well, for me English not my first language, so I have no clue whatsoever at first. But after basic explanation, I immediately found the answer. More trivial riddle, not "math" problem

@burlapknapsack

16 күн бұрын

Maybe Math is an online university with ultra-low educational standards.

Well that was about 95% waffle for a very easy question. Worked it out in my head in around five seconds.

I took a pencil, and as I read through, jotted down notes - when I got to the end, my number was just written down. Maybe Dad should get Mum to help his daughter with homework in future! And maths graduates not being able to do this, pigs bum!

@EpothKyary

25 күн бұрын

How is your comment from 2 weeks ago when the video just got uploaded??

@dorionporath4363

25 күн бұрын

​@@EpothKyaryperchance unlisted first

@skld-xm

25 күн бұрын

Yeah. Just news being news.

@Pj-pz9vk

25 күн бұрын

Oh you traveled in time to give us the answer

@verkuilb

25 күн бұрын

Well, it didn’t say what level of math they graduated. And I could easily see some pre-K graduates who aced their “count-to-10” exams, struggling with this. 😂

“Place that is 10 times greater/more” can just be interpreted as “the digit to the left” and “place that is 10 times less” can be interpreted as “the digit to the right” “Place that is 10^n times more/less” is “n digits to the left/right” 3 is to the left of 0 1 is to the right of 0 4 is to the left of 3 9 is two to the right of 1 (100 = 10^2) 2 is to the left of 9 The number is 430129

@ceejay0137

18 күн бұрын

Exactly. Each clue gives the relative position of two of the digits. Just write down the pairs and then link them using the digits that pairs have in common. Very easy.

This hardly even took me 10 seconds to figure out. I'm more baffled at how this is considered a difficult question.

The working out here is way too complicated and unnecessary. Just read the statements in order and write down the digit in the appropriate place. Takes 30 seconds.

@zenaku666

24 күн бұрын

Well you should show your work. After all 90% of the point of any math problem is to show how you arrived at the answer you got.

@adamingerman1139

24 күн бұрын

@@zenaku666 Yeah, but you should work towards the solution, don't do unnecessary extra work until you need it to cross-check or you get stuck Once you understand what the question is asking, it's a simple matter of adding to a sequence of numbers; you don't need to say that it could be 3 in the 10s, 3 in the 100s, 3 in the 1000s, etc for every possible value when that doesn't matter - the question only brings the order of digits into question, not which place they are

@Figgy20000

24 күн бұрын

@@zenaku666 What work? You literally just place the numbers in the exact order the question tells you. There is nothing to solve here. It is too trivially easy to require "Work"

@TheNinjaWolffYT

24 күн бұрын

@@richcolour you made my point much more efficiently than I did

@americanborn6768

23 күн бұрын

"Amen" my method exactly

Sometimes I get stumped by stuff like this too. I get so caught up in looking for complicated solutions that I forget to look right under my nose! 😅

@Chris-hf2sl

24 күн бұрын

Yes, some of these puzzles are so trivial, that I think it must be a trick question, so I end up searching for a more complicated answer.

@stevemichael8458

15 күн бұрын

Nowhere does it say that any of the digits should be placed under your nose 🤣🤣

The moral of the story is ask Mom for help with your homework, not Dad.

Paige Freshwater's crazy for making headline 😂

I'm baffled by how Presh made this so complicated. A little basic logic leads to a solution literally in the time it takes to read the question.

This was actually quite simple for me. With the first clue, it tells us that 3 is 10 times greater than 0, this means at some point in the code, 3 immediately comes before 0: 30. Second clue, 1 is 10 times lesser than 0, this tells us that 1 comes immediately after the 0: 301. Third clue tells us 4 is 10 times greater than 3, meaning it comes right before the 3: 4301. Fourth clue tells us that 9 is is 100 times less than 1, which means there's a number between 1 and 9: 4301?9. And finally, fifth clue tells us 2 is 10 times more than 9, which means it's right before the 9, giving us our 6-digit number of 430129.

@patmx5

17 сағат бұрын

Right? He totally over complicated it with his solution. It’s not so much a math problem as a word problem requiring a skosh of math knowledge. Like you, I simply wrote down the first number, then followed with the others referenced as described to what was there.

Is Paige Freshwater a pseudonym for Presh Talwalkar?

First clue: 30 Second Clue: 301 Third Clue: 4301 Fourth Clue: 4301x9 Fifth Clue: 430129 Double check that all rules satisfied. That took a grand total of 60 seconds.

This is so simple, it could be done mentally. Moral of the story. If you have a problem, go to someone who knows the subject, not to social media or an AI tool.

You don’t need the last clue at all except to know that there’s a digit 2 in the solution

@fifiwoof1969

25 күн бұрын

So you DID need the last clue - VERY well written question by this teacher. It's unfortunate this Dad was allowed to breed - if daughter can't solve it she needs to keep studying. THIS question is VERY straightforward!

@Mobin92

25 күн бұрын

I think his point was that the clue could just have been "There's also a 2 in the number" without clues about the position.

@fifiwoof1969

25 күн бұрын

@@Mobin92 so a perfectly written logic question.

Did they asked a new maths major while they were drunk?

@fifiwoof1969

25 күн бұрын

Stoned more like it!

@LizZimmer

24 күн бұрын

No. A math major could have easily solved this while drunk.

@Soomeone.35

24 күн бұрын

@@LizZimmer hmmm… Maybe they asked a meths major then

I think this problem says more about Mirror readers than the actual problem !

@verkuilb

24 күн бұрын

Not just Mirror readers, but the Mirror itself!!

I barely passed high school math. Not bragging…took me about 15 seconds

@poxy1000

25 күн бұрын

same, funny how the crappier we are at classes the better we can do what they are supposed to teach.

@JonnyBoi957

25 күн бұрын

The question is not stated properly. When I figured out what they meant it was easy. The word times is used wrong. Makes it seem like it is 10 or more spaces which does not make sense at all for a 6 digit number

@phantomlogic6940

25 күн бұрын

@@JonnyBoi957 But we know from the start that it is a six-digit number, so that thinking shouldn't even cross one's mind. All you need is knowledge of base 10.

@JonnyBoi957

25 күн бұрын

@phantomlogic6940 I have not even used base ten tbf. Only reason I thought of that is cause I knew as you increase in the number digits it is a mutiple of 10. I am not usually good with this stuff but I am improving

@georgesos

24 күн бұрын

Exactly,me too,and I ve never finished high school....

Next week's homework is "guess what I have in my pocket"

@arifhossain9751

25 күн бұрын

@@DaveLeCompte "Thas not a RID-DLE. Tricksy little hobbitses"

@Autonym

24 күн бұрын

Fish

I opened up my notepad to work out the problem, anticipating a mindbender. I was sorely disappointed once I actually read the question.

That took me less than 30 seconds. What Math graduate couldn't solve this?

You don't even need the 10 and 100 times clues, just the lower/greater clues.

You made it hopelessly more complicated and confusing by drawing the six places, as you don't yet know where anything goes. If you just start with the first clue and write "30", then from the second clue put the "1" to the right of the "0", and just carry on like that, it all sorts itself out. The only "trick" is to put an "x" for the unknown digit needed for the fifth clue, so at that point we have "4301x9".

@harrietjordan6378

24 күн бұрын

I put an underscore rather than an x, but yes, exactly the same.

@jaysonsk

24 күн бұрын

@@harrietjordan6378you only mark one place in the middle of the paper if you need to write it down. Then put more places as you need them for the number

@zenaku666

24 күн бұрын

I don't think writing out place holders for the numbers makes anything "hopelessly more complicated" even if you start with the 3 in the most significant spot the clue about the 4 will tell you to move everything down one place anyway.

This one doesn't even take any sorting out. You just go thru the steps in order and the answer is right there.

This is quite easy once one understands the meaning of the clues. They could have been slightly more precise by saying that, e.g., "3 is in a place WHOSE VALUE is 10 times of the VALUE of the place of the 0", and so on.

@90rightangle2

21 күн бұрын

Looks like we were typing at the same time. Credit where credit is due.

Seriously? "Math grads" had trouble with this? Are they talking about grade 1 math grads?

Did it on the fly in my head, and just to be fair asked my 10-year old daughter... who did it on the fly in her head. That this made it to the media...

And, of course, you could stick a decimal place anywhere inside that number and it would still be a correct answer.

There is no way that "math graduates" are not able to solve this bruh. There is enough information for even an 8th grader to find the number out. should really take more than even half a minute

@fifiwoof1969

25 күн бұрын

I wanna see these "maths graduates" written exams. How TF did they graduate? DAMN!

@johngaltline9933

12 күн бұрын

8th grade? I'd think anyone that's learned that numbers over 9 exist ought to be able to handle it. I distinctly remember carrying digits over in multiplication and division in third grade, so I'll say any third grader can "solve" it.

I can only assume that his daughter is in primary school, just starting to learn about numbers and what to do with them, because this "problem" is so RIDICULOUSLY easy that anyone who graduated from primary school should be able to solve it in a few seconds without using pen and paper.

Many folks do not understand the place system, hence the apparent difficulty, despite it being a really easy puzzle.

@poxy1000

25 күн бұрын

its more of an instruction manual than a puzzle

@quantumspark343

25 күн бұрын

its the wording that su*ks

@Gideon_Judges6

25 күн бұрын

​@@quantumspark343the wording is perfect for a place-value system. People's comprehension is just lacking.

@fifiwoof1969

25 күн бұрын

If the class are fluent in English and Base 10 arithmetic this question is PERFECT!

@andrewhooper7603

24 күн бұрын

​@@quantumspark343 grasping at anything to avoid admitting they're just bad at something.

This problem is just straight forward. We just start writing a 3 on a paper, then the 0 to the right, and so on until the last digit without any dificulties. We just have to leave a space when placing the 9. I believe this is the easyest problem I've seen on this channel.

The more I read "impossible maths homework" headlines, the more I hate tabloid media. Even the questions that are genuinely tricky aren't there to trip students up, they are there to stretch and challenge. They are helping to build ideas about numbers and shapes that help connect up different knowledge into one connected network. And if you can't help with your kid's homework, you can be grateful that their education is more comprehensive that yours was!

Literally solved it faster than you could say it. I love how sometimes you have some real brainteasers and sometimes they're just really easy problems that some people simply misunderstand the question.

I solved it in my head very quickly. Then, I tried out GPT 4o instead of 3.5. It was able to solve it with no problem on the first try. The explanation was a little advanced for the grade level, talking about exponentiation. I asked for a 4th grade level explanation and here's what it gave me: The number 3 is in a place that is 10 times bigger than the place of the 0.This means if the 0 is in the thousands place, the 3 is in the ten-thousands place.The number 1 is in a place that is 10 times smaller than the place of the 0.This means if the 0 is in the thousands place, the 1 is in the hundreds place.The number 4 is in a place that is 10 times bigger than the place of the 3.This means if the 3 is in the ten-thousands place, the 4 is in the hundred-thousands place.The number 9 is in a place that is 100 times smaller than the place of the 1.This means if the 1 is in the hundreds place, the 9 is in the units place.The number 2 is in a place that is 10 times bigger than the place of the 9.This means if the 9 is in the units place, the 2 is in the tens place.Putting this all together:The 4 is in the hundred-thousands place.The 3 is in the ten-thousands place.The 0 is in the thousands place.The 1 is in the hundreds place.The 2 is in the tens place.The 9 is in the units place. So, the mystery number is 430129.

I guess the language tripped the AI. Because the questions phrases it as, "10 times greater/less". It should be 10 times, or 1/10 times. "10 times greater" just means "11 times", which doesn't make sense as the place values are in denominations of 10,100,1000, etc. But we as humans understood what the question meant to say, therefore it was a 10 second problem.

This is literally the only "puzzle" from this channel that I have been able to solve lol

Is it just me or does Presh over-explain the solutions just to make the video longer? This problem shouldn't take more than a minute to solve, including reading the text part.

@z000ey

24 күн бұрын

Seeing that there are stated "math graduates" and plenty of dads that couldn't do it, better to explain it as if talking to idiots. This said, although I haven't watched his explanation since the simplicty of the question...

@Ynook

24 күн бұрын

@@z000ey I see your point, not everyone watching this video is a 'math nerd', if I may say. But I also think that most of the subscribers of this channel know basic math, he doesn't have to explain it like we're fourth graders.

@z000ey

24 күн бұрын

@@Ynook well I guess he's trying to get some of those complete nincompoops to start watching his channel and start learning, maybe they'll eventually achieve much more complex math. Definitely not a problem for people that follow the channel regularly, I agree :) Scares me a bit though, if adults cannot solve this...

430129, the absolute wording is horrible!

@kenchanaud

25 күн бұрын

The wording confused me at first. After that it was easy. Like a jigsaw puzzle with connected puzzle pieces.

@Gideon_Judges6

25 күн бұрын

Huh? The wording is perfect. You just write the numbers down in their relative precedence. This is how place-value systems work.

@verkuilb

25 күн бұрын

@@Gideon_Judges6 The wording is not perfect. Neither "ten times more" nor "ten times less" are grammatically correct terms for this usage. It should have said "ten times as much" and "one-tenth as much".

@garyd5095

25 күн бұрын

The wording wasn’t a problem at all. By the 3rd clue, I figured it was referring to the place value of the numbers. Every place value is 10 times the previous value. I just watched to confirm I was right. This was probably the easiest video Presh ever did

@Gideon_Judges6

25 күн бұрын

@@verkuilb ok you got me there. People often get that wording wrong, and percentages as well, but I digress. If you can get past that common error or correct it, then it's pretty clear. But yes, 10 is not 10x "more" than 1. It's 10x as much. What's interesting is you have the same problem if someone says "10x less than" when they should probably say "1/10th as much" but you don't see as many people complain about it.

This is truly a grade school question.

Im at my bed, lil sleepy, not even english graduate, and i get to solve the whole thing in 5 min. This is just some basic understanding about base 10 ,a bit of rewording for first grade would be something like: - 3 is right before 0 - 1 is right after 0 - 4 is right before 3 - 9 is after 1 (its like 1_9) - 2 is right before 9 Do the last 2 clue first and then work ur way up If a math graduate cant solve this then they shouldn't be graduated at all

It took longer to grab paper than to confidently solve.

Are you kidding me that took the same time to solve as it took to read the problem

I usually struggle with problems on this channel but this one is extremely easy. I got it as fast as I could read it.

I did it in 5 seconds and I immediately checked the comments since I knew I couldn’t be the only one to think this is ridiculously easy.

A 30 second video crammed into over 8 minutes...

@londonbobby

25 күн бұрын

Exactly.

@fifiwoof1969

25 күн бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂

430129. Wow, I was expecting way worse, but pen and paper, and I immediately filled in the numbers as I was reading each condition.

I love how chat gpt gives out rubbish logic that sounds vaguely like it knows what it is doing, then disregards that logic to spit out a random number. At least gemini noticed it's logic made the puzzle impossible.

I would troll my classes so hard by giving them that type of question, if I was a teacher. Let's see who's using GPT for homework and who's not. 😏

That is such a ridiculously trivial problem.

Solved in head while you were reading the question.. How could the father be puzzled by this?? Its simple and too easy..

"Work the little gray cells." Love the Poirot reference.

"stumping AI tools" is a low bar

This was such a simple problem that I honestly wonder if it was some sort of language barrier issue on the part of the father.

My lord. This took me less than 30 seconds. And it took that long because I misread one of the clues.

The real issue for the AI tools was probably the wording "A is X times more/less than B" because that wording means A = B + "X times" or A= B - "X times". The correct wording for this question would have been "A is X times that of B" and "A is 1/X times that of B". E.g.: Wrong wordings: "The 3 is in a place that is 10 times greater than the place of the 0." "The 1 is in a place that is 10 times less than the place of the 0." --> Correct wordings: "The 3 is in a place that is 10 times as great/big as the place of the 0". "The 1 is in a place that is 1/10 as great/big as the place of the 0."

Not difficult 4 a lot of us, but it was 4 the dad. Glad he reached out - good 4 him. He is telling his child that it is ok 2 reach out 4 helo!!

I'm never able to solve your puzzles, until now. This one was a no brainer

How the heck math graduates weren't able to solve this. It literally took me less than 20 secs to solve it.

I turned 35 today 🥳and it took me ~30 seconds to solve this after a day filled with whiskey and champagne.

Once I started looking at it as "10 times greater = 1 to the left, 10 times less = 1 to the right", it took me about 12 seconds to solve this. 430129

I got out a piece of paper thinking this was going to be difficult since the video is 8+ minutes but as I read the rules out loud I wrote the number down in like 15 seconds.

It didn't even took 2 seconds after reading the question

This was one of the easiest puzzles which I appreciate.

Those parents should grab that math graduate and go back to grade school together....

This was so simple to solve. All you have to do is read and understand the "clues". I solved this in less than 15 seconds.

If anyone has seen Spongebob like season 1 or 2, the chatGPT answer is like Patrick talking to Man-Ray

Wow - you made it super simple to understand!

This is the type of problem I was learning in grade 3.

I solved this in about 3 seconds. I suspected I'd missed something subtle but no, I got it right. Seriously, if maths graduates are not able to solve this, they took the wrong course.

My solution was in the reverse order. I "built" my solution on the notion of an array as found in computer languages. There the indexing is from left to right. In base-10 notation, the indexing is from right to left.

At first, I thought the "places" were just 1 through 6. When I realized I was referring to base 10 notation, it was much easier

It's understanding the language of place values. "100 times..." two-digit move left (less than), or right (greater than). "10 times..." a one-digit move. Understand this and you can solve it in your head.

"10 times less" is mathematically insensible.

I had even no need of calculating anything solving this puzzle. Search for a pencil and a piece of paper took longer.

Easiest one of these I can remember solving myself.

The Dad and the AI both misunderstand "place"

So easy that this parent is either a fool or a troll.

Currently watching at 0:52. Well, "10 times greater" means that if, for example, 0 is a unit, then 3 is tens… Thus the answer is 430129

Why was the dad stumped? I'm not even a Math major and I simply followed the steps to get the actual number. What has this country come to for deeming this is difficult?

@quantumspark343

25 күн бұрын

The wording is ambiguous

@jaysonsk

24 күн бұрын

@@quantumspark343I don’t think it is. Maybe too wordy but it’s pretty straightforward

@WoefulMinion

24 күн бұрын

@@quantumspark343 It doesn't seem ambiguous at all to me. The teacher would have taught about the "10s place," "the 100s place" and taught that each place is 10 times the place to the right. I literally just wrote down the numbers as I read each step adding them to the right or left whether less or more. The 100 moved two steps instead of one.

I think I needed maybe one minute. There's no way any sort of serious "math graduate" would have a problem with this.

I looked at the preview of this video. I narrowed the digits to all the possibilities and got 4 in the first digit, and all of the other digits fell into place. Got 430129

I get 430129 at the video pause without much thought about it. Either the problem is super easy, or there's a trick they're not telling us in the setup. Here's how I did it: Don't bother with 6 blanks because you don't know what places the digits are yet. The first clue tells us we have "30" The second clue tells us we have "301" The third clue tells us we have "4301" The fourth clue tells us we have "4301?9" The fifth clue tells us we have "430129" Ridiculously easy!

What? It's so trivial you can just do it mentally while reading it...

I don't even have a degree, so i was curious. Paused when it came up and set timer. 8 seconds in i had the right answer in my mind. If math graduates struggle with this, the world is doomed

This is literally the easiest question ever? How did the dad not figure it out bros cooked

Why does google gemini think the 6-digit number is involving the THOUSANDTHS place???

Title correction: This homework baffles dad, stomps AI, unscrewed the pen, destroyed the ink, shredded papers, emptied the gas tank

No true "math graduate" is going to be unable to figure out this simple place value problem.

I put 4301 into memory, then when I had to recall it, I got 4310 back.

I guess AI's cryptanalysis skills aren't up to secret decoder rings. Good to know.

Paige Freshwater, the author of the Mirror news item, sounds very much like your name 😀

I think that many people don’t understand the ‘ hundreds, tens, and units’ principle

I would say it is easy. But most parents aren't math teachers, and I am.