I loved the old Hockenheim - the cars with tiny wings, long gears, going 350 kmph for long stretches - it was unique, and spectacular to watch

@ourafilmes

Жыл бұрын

Couldn't agree more!

I travelled from the UK to Hockenheim for the GP in 1978, loved the place.

@ourafilmes

2 ай бұрын

The original was a true high speed challenge!

Bunch of chicanes, long long straights, a lovely stadium section.. miss the old layout dearly

@ourafilmes

2 жыл бұрын

It was a great challenge!

I'm a german fan and live near Hockenheim since 1963. I saw the changing the circle. When the great curves through the forest had been closed, it was like a cut in our hearts. Since then, Hockenheim had never been the same for us.

@ourafilmes

3 жыл бұрын

You are very lucky, at the same time, I am sorry for your loss. Cheers from Portugal!

@largol33t12

11 ай бұрын

Having watched Formula One in the 1990s, I LOVED seeing the cars shoot through the VERY long straights in the forest. Nothing else like it existed in the entire sport. It also saw some of my favorite moments: Nigel Mansell's win in 1992 and Gerhard Berger's win in 1997. I believe Berger won twice here. He is definitely one of Austria's greatest drivers behind Niki Lauda and Jochen Rindt.

I liked the old layout.

@ourafilmes

4 жыл бұрын

Me too. High speed races! Unfortunately, it´s gone...

@foxcraft3207

Ай бұрын

I dont liked it I like it and still Love it

Hockenheim Old Layout Onboard Wonderful my dear friend!

@ourafilmes

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Cheers from Portugal!

Those old F1 titles are the best, so simple.

@ourafilmes

9 ай бұрын

Thanks. Cheers!

I learnt a lot here. I always thought Hockenheim originated in the '60s. Never realised it had a road racing heritage prior to that. Interesting to see how the ring developed

@ourafilmes

4 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it! Cheers from Portugal!

Thank you for this mini documentary.

@ourafilmes

Жыл бұрын

Cheers from Portugal!

I loved watching this version of Hockenheim. You could really see how fast the cars were going. There were overtaking opportunities. Cars used to be set up aerodynamically for the fast straights but found the stadium section tricky . Even as a Brit I loved it when the stadium was packed with German Michael Schumacher fans cheering on their hero. New layout is a bit micky mouse and soul-less and not having the Clark chicane kept as part of the redesign seemed a slap in the face of history and a motoring legend.

@ourafilmes

2 жыл бұрын

100% agree with your words!

7:05 love that bit, i keep watching it

@ourafilmes

2 жыл бұрын

It´s so tight!

They've cut down more trees than they have planted🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

@ourafilmes

3 жыл бұрын

LOL. Good one!

@Alexweav79

3 жыл бұрын

@@ourafilmes it’s true!!!!!

@TheColinChapman

4 ай бұрын

untrue. I filed an e-mail to Mr. Tesseraux from the Hockenheimring about it after the 2002 re-design. He showed me an exact count of cut and newly planted trees, and the latter were the majority.

@zinddy

3 ай бұрын

​@@TheColinChapmanbro, why

Brilliant, nicely put together and the on-board rides were fantastic, thanks.

@ourafilmes

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Cheers from Portugal!

I still remember the slip stream battles in the old track. 3 positions to overtake in every turn!

@ourafilmes

3 жыл бұрын

Yes!

This was a real treat to come across. Thank you so much for keeping the memory alive.

@ourafilmes

Жыл бұрын

I am glad to help in some way. Cheers from Portugal!

F1 needs more exciting tracks. More speed more on the edge excitement. Everything feels like it’s turning into formula E with smaller tighter trackers with more slow corners and more acceleration.

@ourafilmes

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed!

@motorsportfan1246

2 жыл бұрын

Come and watch indycar buddy

@frostyvr9805

2 жыл бұрын

@@motorsportfan1246 I’ve been enjoying it more than F1 recently

Hold on. The circuit of the year 2000 will not be missed by the fans? Hold on just one minute, I have never heard such nonesence I miss the "engine breaker". I cried a river when the new curcuit got built. Other than that thank you for the video. You did well in telling the history and especially onboard videos.

@ourafilmes

8 ай бұрын

Good point although I also mentioned the "rage". Cheers from Portugal!

This track was not loved by the drivers but was a fan favourite. It was the fastest track on the calendar for almost 40 years, only surpassed by Baku. The approach to the Clark chicane was a unique feature of those days. It was here that a Formula 1 car first beat the 100 m/s mark. Those folks that played the first Formula 1 computer games of the 80s and 90s know well how spectacular it was. The new layout has no place in Formula 1. If a German Grand Prix ever returns the Nurburgring Sudschliefe remains the most interesting option.

@ourafilmes

9 ай бұрын

I agree with you!

Many congrats! Excellent content!

@ourafilmes

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much!

On the new layout , the section between the hairpin and the stadium looks so artificial. That section better be a straight line!

@ourafilmes

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed but they destroyed the original so... whatever...

Thanks for this! :)

@ourafilmes

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

bravo, great video!

@ourafilmes

4 жыл бұрын

Many thanks!

this is a fantastic video and well done my friend :)

@ourafilmes

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your nice words! Cheers!

I love your videos, great work👍

@ourafilmes

Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much!

amazing video! i would love to see this for other tracks that have changed quite a lot, like silverstone

@ourafilmes

3 жыл бұрын

Hi there. Thanks. I am thinking of it for a while but it is very difficult to find an onboard of the original layout - before 1974... But I will do it! Cheers!

Excellent, thanks!

@ourafilmes

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks. Cheers!

Thank you very much! Love this! Can you do more circuits?

@ourafilmes

3 жыл бұрын

Cheers! More to come! You have more here - kzread.info/dash/bejne/X4Rhq5iMqrDTnNI.html

Thank you so much for all the information,!! Really learned a lot about this historic place!! Shame they changed it then destroyed it.

@ourafilmes

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, that´s what we have left... Thanks for watching! Cheers!

Well done.

@ourafilmes

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks. Cheers from Portugal!

Parabéns. Excelente informativo como sempre.

@ourafilmes

2 жыл бұрын

Obrigado Nikola!

I remember when they moved the German GP from the Nurburgring and everyone complained.

@ourafilmes

3 жыл бұрын

Nice one!

really enjoy your videos brother, especially the interlagos one. Can i ask why did they even change the layout of hocken heim in the first place? love from australia!

@ourafilmes

4 жыл бұрын

Cheers mate! New Interlagos video soon! They changed due to crashes/deaths but in 2001 nobody saw the overtakes that happened all in the forest area - spectators did not see that. Also a guy run across the track showing poor security so they were forced to do it by the FIA. Again, cheers!

@jigglediggle29

4 жыл бұрын

@@ourafilmes Sry, load of BS. The owners wanted more money, the FIA had nothing to do with it, simple as that. The old track always made a tiny profit - the crap from Tilke gave them nuts. Old money grubbing farts destroyed classic Hockenheim, not the FIA, not Ecclestone. I am German, i know what kind of shit was going on back then. There was no reason to build a new track. Cheers.

@ourafilmes

4 жыл бұрын

Hi. I just saw this. I just answered with the information I have. I don´t have any insights. But it makes sense! Cheers!

The 89 ostcurve chicane layout is my favourite

@ourafilmes

Жыл бұрын

Mate, that was a crazy chicane!!!!

@svenbilen251

28 күн бұрын

My favorite, and just so you know, I love fast tracks, the pre-chicaine ostcurve was my favorite. I'm so sad they destroyed the forest.

I know they were concerned with trees and such but I wish they kept the old part of the track and still added the new part. Variety is the best and it sucks to see old things go and only be a memory.

@ourafilmes

3 ай бұрын

They should have kept an integral part of history. Now we have a bad race track and no historical track anymore - just my opinion.

The fake audio on the Mass onboard is probably the best fake audio I've ever heard in that kind of footage 💪

@ourafilmes

Жыл бұрын

If you think it was made in 1978 without digital help, it is truly amazing!

As a kid I was a hudge fan of Piquet. Im remember that scene with Salazar, I was so furiuos, was there at the race the year after. Hockenheim was great.

@ourafilmes

2 жыл бұрын

Until Senna came to the scene, I was also a Piquet fan! Cheers!

Bem feito. Parabéns

@ourafilmes

4 жыл бұрын

Obrigado. Dê uma olhada no novo de Interlagos!

why did they even change it? can`t be environmental reasons looking at how many trees they cut down for the new section. The old layout integrated itself so beautifully into the forest. I don`t understand how F1 say they push sustainability, but then replace beautiful natural racetracks with giant glorified parking lots with no grass or any greenery.

@ourafilmes

3 жыл бұрын

Money my friend...

@vicooficial

3 жыл бұрын

Issues during the 2000 race (the one won by Rubens Barrichello, in that occasion parts of the pitlane flooded and in the race a disgruntled and drunk former employee of Mercedes invaded the track on the forest section to protest about his resignation. This caused Bernie Ecclestone to blackmail circuit owners to make changes to improve safety off-track or he would move German GP to EuroSpeedway Lausitz (don't know if a rebranding of the Nurburgring race from European GP to German was also considered) or even cancel the German GP altogether and replace it by a race on Asia/Middle East (like the ones who debuted in following years like Bahrain, China or Turkey). The options to Hockeinhein staff was or to bring down the entire perimeter around the (old) circuit, or to hire consulting services of Hermann Tilke who came with a solution who torn down a smaller area: the circuit they race until the present. On the issue of not having preserved the old circuit, I think the pressure to not maintain it came more from Ecclestone that to any environmentalist group, basically because it have a precedent: in the reforms to Interlagos circuit (1989/1990), Ecclestone explicit forbade any layout who could have a oval variant, to prevent CART/IndyCar to race on the track too (monopoly? i think yes). Since the old circuit resemble an oval and CART was doing a series of excursions to Europe at that time (remember the race who Zanardi lost his legs? It was at EuroSpeedway Lausitz), so to prevent an even bigger schedule of races on the old continent he sabotaged any chance of the Champ Cars to race in a circuit like that.

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@ourafilmes

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

This track had a particular trait. It was pretty unique in regard to all the, rather annoying tracks we have today. A good car in Hockenheim could be bad at other places, and the contrary could also be the case. It gave different type of cars a chance to shine. I remember that the Ferrari V12's where feared on this track. When everybody was going V10 and V8's, they had a clear advantage at Hockenheim.

@ourafilmes

2 жыл бұрын

True words, and in the turbo days, turbo cars were crazy in there!

Old Hockenheim didn't have chicanes. This is YOUR old Hockenheim, not mine.

I wonder if and how the grandstands were changed through the years. At the beginning of the 90s, the SF line itself was apparently not only widened, but shifted to the left. If you look at older track (e.g. see 6:25), the distance to the spectators is probably twice as large as later on (i guess at 1:49 it's a 1993 warm-up lap). But, maybe, the grandstands were rebuilt, too.

@ourafilmes

2 жыл бұрын

I don´t know about that...

That Arrows A2 that Mass was driving was a complete dog in 1979. the Cosworth DFV was canted forward at a funny angle to aid the flow through the venturi tunnels, it never really worked.

@ourafilmes

2 ай бұрын

Yes but at least it was nice to look at! LOL! Can´t say the same for all bad cars!

Where did you get all the photos of the east curve, for example the crash

@ourafilmes

Ай бұрын

4 years ago? I don´t remember but maybe with google. Cheers!

Tenho muita vontade de chorar vendo o que fizeram com esse templo do automobilismo.

@ourafilmes

2 жыл бұрын

Quase todos os grandes circuitos foram, de certa forma, destruídos! Este foi dos piores!

I like the new layout and the original layout but not the one on the onboard.

@ourafilmes

3 ай бұрын

humm... There are two onboards. The track changed almost every year in the 90s. Chicanes were always changing.

No Germany on the calendar but we get Saudi Arabia and Miami. F1 is finished

@ourafilmes

2 жыл бұрын

True. Money talks!

They used the proper Ostkurve (sans chicane) in the world superbike races in the 90's

@ourafilmes

Жыл бұрын

True. Great drivers in those years!

How many trees did they cut down to make the new track?

@ourafilmes

3 жыл бұрын

That is a very nice question.

wow ! didn't know kimi raikkonen did narration/ narratives.lol

@ourafilmes

2 жыл бұрын

I did it much better in the old Interlagos onboard video!

I really dislike the Ostkurve chicane, but I really miss the run into forrest.. How the high pitched engines would thunder out into the woods, sounding like disappearing jet planes.. Especially in Toca Racedriver the Ostkurve was dreadful

@ourafilmes

Жыл бұрын

Old track was so much better!

@mortenfrosthansen84

Ай бұрын

Back again after about a year... watched the whole thing again. It's good.. And to add to the convo. Yeah, that curve was one of those no fear and absolute confidence in equipment and skill. People like Mansell, Senna, Piquet, Arnoux, and many more.. they would probably go flat out after tapping the brake and going down a gear. A real make or break corner

what is the reasons the engines then could not last the long straights for long ?

@ourafilmes

3 жыл бұрын

Too much stress for too long!

unmistakable sound of Ferrari

@ourafilmes

Жыл бұрын

Yes, you cannot beat a Ferrari V12!

From the engine sound, it looked like the 1979 car during this era was also using v6 engine, didn't it?

@ourafilmes

5 ай бұрын

Ford V8

@terrystevens5261

2 ай бұрын

Cosworth DFV.

Managed to kill a wonderful circuit.

@ourafilmes

3 жыл бұрын

Like many other tracks...

Hochenheim will be ever connected with the worse reasons, mainly theJim Clark´s dead during a F2 race! In those days the drivers were in various races and Championships! Clark drove F1,F2, Touring cars and Formula Indy ,at the same time! Other times, other drivers, and the competition were much more pureand loyal! Today in F1 for example, all the fans can preview with a almost "certitude" who will be the winner and the second, third, fourth and fiveth, knowing Lewis or Verstappen and Russell and Leclerc or Gasly , well more and less for sure!

@ourafilmes

2 жыл бұрын

Old racing was better but modern coverage is amazing. We can´t have it all...

The old track was terrible. I've never understood the love of it, and it seems like most people just loved it after it was gone. I did enjoy seeing the cars in the low downforce setup, but we still get that at Monza.

@ourafilmes

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, indeed it was never loved while in the calendar.

@fly5155

4 жыл бұрын

People who dislike this layout probably love the vanilla Tilkedromes with their constant low-speed corners, excessive runoff and complete lack of creativity.

@mpa1931

4 жыл бұрын

It wasn't appreciated till afterward because the new Hockenheim is complete rubbish

@Fatherjohn76

4 жыл бұрын

Everything is relative. It was criticised by some during it's time as there were simply so many great circuits on the calendar it had a lot to compete with. The fact that it is now so loved says more about how boring today's circuits are than it does about the old Hockenheim. I personally always loved it since becoming an F1 fan in the 80s. Something undeniable about F1 cars blasting flat out through forests

@johndynan2059

3 жыл бұрын

@@fly5155 No, they just listen to what the drivers said.

The current track sucks

@ourafilmes

3 жыл бұрын

Yes but that´s what we got...

Monza: I´m a Highspeed Track. Old Hockenheim: Hold my Beer!

@ourafilmes

Жыл бұрын

Old Hockenheim was just great!

@terrystevens5261

2 ай бұрын

Monza was faster in the pre chicane days.

In the 2000's they kjlled thosands of trees to make a repugnant new circuit

@ourafilmes

7 ай бұрын

agreed!

after watching this video, old Hockenheimring is way shittier than i thought, glad the they changed it in 2002

@ourafilmes

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching.

The modern version of Hockenheim is a sterile boring and a typical modern featureless piece of shit circuit

I had the luck to drive my first formula ford 1800 race in october 2000 one of the last or even the last race in hockenheim on the old long track. Luckily i was 3rd in that race😀🥂 i have this fabulous track in best memories

@ourafilmes

Жыл бұрын

What a nice comment mate! Lucky guy!