I went to my local firearms store, having done a boatload of research, with the Sig P320 firmly on the mind but decided to handle a cross section of pistols ... nothing felt better than the P320 UNTIL I held the VP9 ... and it was like Harry Potter in Ollivander's Wand Shop when his wand chose him ... I would swear I both saw and felt the warm glow and the gentle breeze stirring my hair ... needless to say I didn't get the P320 ... I now have 4 VP9s and 2 VP9 SKs (my only other handgun is a 2nd gen Python) ... and I simply love all of them

@rustimack

2 ай бұрын

What a lame story

@DANMOTYL

Ай бұрын

😂 harry Potter!

@MBsr5

4 күн бұрын

Why so many vp9s? I was thinking of an vp9sk and vp9 but thought wasting money both. But your story makes me want to get em

This was my first purchase in decades having only a revolver. I fell in love with the VP9 feels great in my hands. Got the P30L so now I’m a HK fanboy.

@jimmysmith3255

2 жыл бұрын

I know the feeling

@arielbenitez98

2 жыл бұрын

How do you like it been debating between that one and the p30l

@cottonmouth71

Жыл бұрын

@@arielbenitez98 You cant go wrong with the P30L ! I spent the coin an got a good IWB holster by ''LAS concealment'' which wasnt cheap at a bit over 100$ but you get what you pay for ! Its tough to put into words just how good the ergo's/shootability/pointability/feel are [for me personaly] on the P30L but as somone who CC'd a Glock19 for years, Ill say that its my opinion that the P30L is FAR superior to the G19 in the afore mentioned catagories ! Dont get me wrong I still love my G19 an I do still carry it from time to time but since I purchased the P30L it's won its spot as my primary /go to CC handgun ! Again [for me personaly] the ergos etc are just fantastic and Im a better shooter/I get better results at the range with the P30L than with my G19 !

@MilitantX1

9 ай бұрын

Welcome aboard! I have quite a few HK models. HK is my favorite pistol brand.

HK's are amoung the very best pistols and have been for a long time. They are one of my top 2 to shoot with 1911s being the other.

@bjmcmahon722

5 ай бұрын

Both awesome...what a pair. #HK

Just purchased my first HK VP9 and super happy about it. Waiting to pick it up and taking it to the range. Such a great review

You sold me buddy. I just picked one up thanks to you and your great channel!👍

I own between 35and 40 handguns and I just purchased a used VP 9 and can’t believe how much I love this pistol. I mainly shoot 1911’s or Sigs but after only shooting this twice I am shooting this better than most of my other pistols. Unfortunately I feel I have to have more HK’s.

@TheBoxingCannabyte

Жыл бұрын

Lol I've owned 27 though not at once and all ill say is I hope u have empathy real empathy for drug addicta s, since u are one urself hahaha. I mean damn that is overkill

@TheGratefulShooter

3 ай бұрын

You know you’re an addict when you can’t give an exact number of handguns you own!

Just Got one a few months ago! Love it and fits like a glove in my hand ! Love the ergonomics

Awesome review and video, thanks for inspiring me to purchase one. I love the VP9. It shoots lights out for me. You are right it’s definitely worth the money.👍

I bought two of the tactical versions for myself and my wife with consecutive serial numbers I carry mine every day and absolutely love it triggers phenomenal and actually had to relearn how to shoot with that pistol because I'm always used to the very Dead pistol triggers.

I have a VP9 and a VP9 Match, they are both phenomenal pistols.

A quality home Defense handgun. I have it and had the P30. Kept the VP9.

I started out shooting 1911's. I quickly learned that I liked flipping the safety down to shoot. All of the 9mm back then had to flip the safety up to shoot. I did switch to HK P7M8 no safety. I really wanted 45 so I settled on an HK USP compact. This is still my favorite. I kept hearing so much about Glock that I bought a 21 and had the dealer install the 3.5 pound trigger bar. I might as well be throwing rocks. The HK magazine release also turned me against push buttons.

I just picked mine up a couple of days ago.came with the factory night sights.i have the sk version so I felt like I needed it's older brother.great pistols

This my favorite pistol ever anytime anywhere!!!..just amazing!!!

I always go back to carrying my H&K VP9SK LE bc it's just a very nice feeling and firing weapon. Even with my other carry options of a Sig Sauer P365XL, Glock 19 gen 5, H&K P30SK V3 LE, and an Arex Rex Zero 1CP, I still come back to my H&K VP9SK LE time and time again. A very underrated pistol and I have the full size version as well along with the H&K P30L V1 LEM LE which the H&K VP9SK LE takes all the magazines. The 10rd, 13rd, 15rd and 20rd magazines which is nice. All those H&K pistols I mentioned just feel substantial and like quality. They were a really great deal at the $500 price point new until the Covid gun craze hit. I purchased all my H&K pistols for $600 or less new all with the tritium night sight options on them as well.

@Veldtian1

2 жыл бұрын

Sweet sweet envy.

@2amichaelj

2 жыл бұрын

@@Veldtian1 I do see used H&K VP9s for $450 here in Florida still so just keep an eye out for the unicorns out there. They're out there I promise.

Great video! You dont even need to pull the trigger to remove the slide 😀

I rented one back in 2019. I didn't like it. I rented one yesterday and loved it!!! Even if You can't group, You will with this fine pistol. I'll be getting one when I can.

had mine since it came out.. wonderful gun

I was mostly a Glock/SIG guy until I snagged a VP9 and now I love it

I was able to maintain a mostly 2" group from 5 yards to 25 yards. I shot 50 roundeds from 5,10, 15 ,20 and 25. Out of 250 rounds i had 3 flyers that opened the group up to about 4 inches but the other 247 rounds were darn near hole through hole. I wish i could post the target picture. I do have an aftermarket trigger, springs and trijicon sights as well as a good bit of internal polishing which makes the trigger even smoother. Specifically polishing the sear catch made a wonderful difference in the trigger break.

Coincidentally I bought one yesterday. I was shopping for a couple of other handguns, and have owned, carried and fired many different types and models over many years. The salesman directed my attention to the VP9, with which I was unfamiliar and have never researched. After five minutes of conversation and handling it, I took it home. I'll fire it tomorrow to verify all the glowing reviews.

@TheConcealedCarryChannel

3 жыл бұрын

Hope you enjoy it!

I got 1 on layaway--- All FDE, with Night Sights. Cant wait to get it!

Great review! No hype, no gimmicks just good info. I own a VP 9 for home defense and I recommend HK. I carry a SW shield plus conceal carry.

@J.Young808

Жыл бұрын

You should get the VP9SK since you use the VP9 for home defense.

@leospring6264

Жыл бұрын

@@J.Young808 good idea

Gd review. This gun is phenomenal. Glad I bought it.

I just got rid of my Glock 34 for this and have no regrets. VP is awesome!!

Bought the GEN1 when it first came out. Great pistol. My wife has claimed it as her own so it’s time for another one with the upgraded slide. Vedder holster is great for carrying it inside the waistband.

@RepentorPerish77

2 жыл бұрын

Yo! My wife confiscated mine as well. I’m not mad b/c I bought the P10C as a result but I want an optics ready version now

I bought mine 2 months ago.And man I'm in love

@TheConcealedCarryChannel

2 жыл бұрын

It happens way too easy...lol

Best gun is the one that you have on you. It’s a great striker fired pistol and shoot it in “Military and Police” Match competition at 25 yards where I use mags from my p30L for VP9. I have other HKs in 45/9mm DA/SA. However, for concealment, I carry HK45c, HKp30sk and G30S. I’ve also carried 1911s Officer model and other. Gave my G26/19 to my eldest son.

If i did not live in Ca I would buy a VP 9. Awesome firearm. Fit and finish on HK is proof Germany over Engineers everything, even a mop. I do have a new USP. Not my preferred sidearm, but the operation and reliability is superior to my others.

I have multiple holsters for the VP9-SK with Holosun SCS. And the one that works the best is alien gear holster. I wear inside the waistband and I often get so used to it that I don't even feel that I'm wearing it.

If you plan on caring it in the waistband you should probably be 6 foot or taller or it’s going to be a bit much. I’m 6’3 and I carry it IWB appendix comfortably. basically anywhere u can carrying a G19 u can basically carry this it’s 90% the same dimensions and feels about the same to me.

I love HK pistols, I have a few of them and when comes to the VP9 I have the full size VP9 and VP9SK but In the carry department im going with a G17 most of the time OWB and sometimes a G19 , I feel the Glocks more lighter.

I'm glad to see this favorable review. My first pistol was a VP9 the problem I have is I'm not a good shot, I was listening to this as I was cleaning mine getting ready to go to the range in get some professional instructions on how to improve my lack of skill. Thanks for everything and God Speed. 😆

@bjmcmahon722

5 ай бұрын

How's the range treating you since? I love H&K

@cannonball5515

5 ай бұрын

@@bjmcmahon722 Fantastic. I got my permit to carry in Maryland. There's too much bs to go through to make it easy but the addition instruction was a great benefit.

@bjmcmahon722

5 ай бұрын

@cannonball5515 That's great...I've got the VP9 optic ready right here in Delaware. Glad you're happy + improving! #HK

Great content! Thank you

get the hk vp9sk. my favorite carry gun. all the attributes of the full size with comfortable carry and concealability.

@TheConcealedCarryChannel

3 жыл бұрын

That is on the list. I just have to find one!

Took a friend to the range recently. He had a Kimber that he was super proud of and at about 5 yards was all over the target. I put my VP9 in his hands and he immediately went from groups of around 8-12” to 2”. He turned around and said he was going to go buy one.

@hdwblade

Жыл бұрын

Similar thing happened with me and my dad!

@chrisbenson2430

Жыл бұрын

Kimbers are beautiful, that’s it. They’re overpriced and they rust.

@tbonet4906

9 ай бұрын

We had gone with 8 ppl. Too the range, and had 10 pistols out and my buddy wife luv it and bought it.. best money I ever spent..

HK was the first poly gun, but the first striker fired gun was made in 1919 by Heinrich Ortgies.

I completely am with ya about hammer-fired pistols. Besides the fact that I've found their triggers to be better outa the box, plus i just think the aesthetics of a pistol look off without seeing that hammer on the back, i know - lame, but that's just my opinion. I also took forever to get into strikerfired guns, not just HKs - but any of them, for a long time. It wasn't till my favorite company came out with one that i finally decided to give one a try, and that of course was the HK vp9. I have a USP45, USP expert match, and a P30L match, (with the latter being my favorite HK pistol ever made and imo one of the two or 3 best pistols on the planet), so i had some high expectations. Friends have had Glocks that i've fired and pretty hated whenever i did, so i was hoping worst case scenario that it would be a better shooter than the Glock out of the box. And yeah, i was blown away -no pun intended. I went and got a vp9 longslide a year later cuz i love the thing so much. Unfortunately once i started buying other strikers to give them a try after liking the vp9 so much, more times than not i was disappointed due to being so spoiled with having a gun of such quality being my first foray into the world of strikerfired handguns. That said, i have found a few that are great guns, and if it wasn't for the VP9 i never would have given them a chance. Great review man

@TheConcealedCarryChannel

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your comments and for watching!

I carry mine Iwb kydex holster 5 o’clock pretty comfortably. Considered appendix but haven’t found the right holster for me yet.

I love this gun I got the optic ready version

@J1Z06

Жыл бұрын

I'm debating on that version. I've never had a red dot pistol. It does seem intriguing.

@bjmcmahon722

5 ай бұрын

Me too...was looking at this and the VP L -both optic ready- Excellent guns #HK

I bought two vp9, one is for fighting and second for backup. Best pistol ever made.

@michaelgoding1477

5 күн бұрын

@@22jeepmojave75 do they make a 15 rnd mag that fits flush like the 10?

Good review. Thank you.

@TheConcealedCarryChannel

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your support!

Mauser had striker fired pistols (Mauser 1914 models) dating back in WWI.

Awesome gun love mine.

To be honest i think certain few can come close. I really like the Walther PPQ's trigger a little better than the VP9. The CZ P10C also has a decent trigger out of the box along with CANIK.

@kevinknapp9473

2 жыл бұрын

Agree. I fired a lot of 9mm in my search for a first time purchase. The vp9 was hands down my favorite shooter and the grip was no comparison. I ended up being a Walther PDP compact but went to Walther because I disliked the paddle mag release on the HK and the internet told me the PPQ was similar. I had my mind made up on the Walther but almost changed my mind when I shot the Canik TPS9. Such a great feel and smoooooth shooter. But the grip on the Walther was second to none (plus I get sweaty hands) and I appreciate the aesthetics of the serrated slide. But if I had to trade, I wouldn't be sad. None of them were on my radar at first until I tried the VP9 at the range.

Paid 600.00 for mine. I can't wait to get some range time with it....

Great review

@TheConcealedCarryChannel

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Es la primera pistola que compré. Tengo otra que me gusta , pero es la de mejor Gatillo y agarre. Se la recomiendo para Home defense es perfecta.... Excellent Video 📹..

@MJA5

2 жыл бұрын

Es cierto que son sumamente buenos igual de legendarios.

Great video! No need to pull the trigger.

I have VP9-B and the Match version of the same. Considering adding the VP9SK-B we well.

Is it just a coincidence that H&K's VP series have begin receiving more attention than normal across multiple firearms related channels in the past several days? Loving my VP40, it came with night sights, and the ergonomics are incredible...feels like it was custom formed to fit my hand. Enjoyed your review. 👍

@DIYDad1

3 жыл бұрын

Lately these things have been selling like crazy. Seeing a resurgence considering they’ve been out since like 2014 already.

@digitalpunk5365

3 жыл бұрын

I agree with you. There was just recently a surge of vp9 videos. Ours is one of our home defense firearms. It is good to see more vp9 love, though I’m still trying to get myself to not buy a usp9c

@DIYDad1

3 жыл бұрын

@@digitalpunk5365 yeah I can’t decide if I want a usp 9c, p2000, or p30 next lol. I really want a da/sa gun next I think. HK makes solid stuff. Shot my friends VP9 and it’s great. Thinking I kinda want to ccw a compact or full size so it’s better all around for at the range and for home defense. Kind of a do it all type of pistol. I have an M&p shield for my super small micro compact single stack 9, great for ccw but only 8 rounds. So many choices today...if you can find one in stock at least 😫

@digitalpunk5365

3 жыл бұрын

@@DIYDad1 oi. The p2k is a nice carry piece. The usp9c is kinda big but I just love it. P30 I’m trying not to buy. Trying…

@TheConcealedCarryChannel

3 жыл бұрын

Why would you try and talk yourself out of buying one? They are awesome. lol

Es excelente y una de las 5 mejores del mundo.

I love how my vp9 sk feels and shoots. Going to get the full size very soon.

Listen all day German engineering is second to none! From cars having Mercedes, BMW etc to these firearms they are phenomenal I just purchased this exact model today at my local gun show I’m in love I bought the extended mag 22 rounds and the “John Wick” compensator my build is COMPLETE 💯💪🏻

@TheConcealedCarryChannel

2 жыл бұрын

Nice!

@brich5314

2 жыл бұрын

Mercedes and BMW? If we are using them as reliability models then they’d be more comparable with a Hi Point.

@qualitycxntrol

2 жыл бұрын

@@brich5314 bro hi-point are 🗑 wtf why spend $300 to $400 on a high point when you can get a decent AR Pistol for literally $500 lmao and also Mercedes and BMW are extremely reliable but people don’t know how to do regular checks up/maintenance on them so then anything that can go wrong will go wrong… everyone and their mother wants a nice BMW or Mercedes and yet never want to do the little necessary to keep the car in good working and non malfunctioning conditions.

@brich5314

2 жыл бұрын

@@qualitycxntrol Nope. Mercedes and BMW are notoriously unreliable brands.

@qualitycxntrol

2 жыл бұрын

@@brich5314 okay you are obviously a child and have a lack of knowledge when it comes to vehicles and firearms sheesh 🙄

I’ll get the VP40 with the dedicated slide and recoil reduction spring

VP nine with my first H&K . I absolutely love the gun I carried it for about two months and was able to conceal it but he was very uncomfortable to conceal I would love to see H&K come out with a compact

@jtherealtor

Жыл бұрын

They did. VP9SK.

@sheilapennell9241

Жыл бұрын

There is now a sub compact too

@jameshenson637

Жыл бұрын

@@sheilapennell9241 that will probably be probably be my next gun

@sheilapennell9241

Жыл бұрын

Nice. Can't wait to try it out! 😊

Could you please tell me why you don't have a CIPN marking in that black square close to the slide lever? That square is empty with you, but I see CIPN marking on all other VP9:s.

I love mine, but when i holstered it, i felt like Barney Fife. Too big to carry for me, so its for the home. I bought an MP9 S&W to carry on mt belt because of it being small & compact. I wish they made a junior version of the VP9

Don't wait to get the long slide!! It just takes the pistol to the next level.

Trying to decide between vp9 and p30l

Sighs ... I bought one ... loved it so much I now have four, in different colors and configurations ... plus 2 SKs ... yes, if you're counting ... that makes six ... fanboy? ... nah, I prefer being referred to as a "dedicated devotee"

Nice pistol H&K VP9

I have the VP9. Call me weird, but when I took it out to shoot, it didn’t sit as steady in the hands as my Glock or Sig during actual firing the pistol.

Would you choose this over the P30 series? If you addressed this question in the video, I missed it on both watches 😅 Already have a P30L, but am looking between the VP9sk and the P30sk currently.

The ONLY issue I have with mine (so far), the finger grooves are a little small, and my middle finger is "uncomfortable" against the trigger guard. -- NEVER had this feeling before on ANY finger grooves gun.

I’m looking for a level 3 high ride duty holster with a Holosun SCS VP9 optic attached. Any suggestions?

Can you recommend an OWB holster for the H&K VP9?

Nice pistol, I got one in green and black I pay $850.00 I try trading the gun at shooter world for a credit to buy a Daniel Defense AR. they offer me $250.00 I said no way took my gun with me and walked out the shop so ridiculous offer despite the fact that I was going to put down $1500 on top for the rifle..

I love my VP9! I would recommend changing the firing pin for the titanium one and change the plastic support sleeve with the aluminum one. Nice enhancements

@shinigami1925

2 жыл бұрын

@NewbieDad Correct. These “upgrades” do absolutely nothing that the factory parts can do- the plastic support sleeve is perfectly fine if you don’t try to use a pickaxe to strip the slide, and the Ti firing pin is both softer and weaker than the original. Definitely not a good idea.

HK. VP 9 SUPER. ❤❤

it looks as carryable as a g19, I would like to see a review on the compact version. thank you

@christopherrolfs8006

5 күн бұрын

Do they have a compact version????

I finally got the VP9-SK and will never use anything else!

But, can we retrofit it to fire silver bullets?

Can someone in the comments share thoughts between vp9 tactical vs fn 509 tactical?

I only wish H&K would make an modern version of the P7...

My Walther P99 vs My H&K VP9 LE edition 💕 H&K More

Love my VP9 I want the p30L ....all glocks are the same I own a Gen 5 glock 26 just sizes honestly still love em thow but huge HK Fan

@Catgat37

2 жыл бұрын

You should look into cz p10

Ok great video. I wanna trade in my FN 509 tactical full size in for the Hk Vp9 Tactical Or. Not saying the FN is a bad gun but the vp9 is the one I always wanted. I been carrying since July 30th last year and I carry Appendix. I never carried any other way or used any other kind of holster. I'm so used to it I forget its there. I'm Serious sometimes I have to pat my self to see if I'm carrying my Firearm. But I'm also 6 foot over 300lbs. I lost alot of weight in my past so I had Extra Skin taking off so I can't feel my lower stomach and it dosen't hang over. So I'm lucky there, So I'm happy I can carry it appendix and It's the full size one.

I hésitate with this vp9 (spfp9 in eu) and the glock 45. The price is not the same here in France. 1200€ vs 900€

If I recall right HK has a proprietary rail. Can somebody fill me in on that?

You don’t have to pull the trigger for take down

This gun shoots and feel better than a Glock, just my opinion. They also have an option for an internal laser by laser max!

When you fired it did you notice if the take down lever got really hot? Another reviewer said he burned his thumb on the take down lever because that's where he was resting his thumb.

@jonnyt16

2 жыл бұрын

I have several thousand rounds through my VP9 and not once have I ever felt any uncomfortable heat from the takedown lever. And yes part of my thumb rests on it as well.

@tyrellong6867

Жыл бұрын

I have a VP9, well over 1000 rounds, never felt it get warm let alone hot enough to burn.

One KZreadr with a gun channel claims he got a blister on his thumb from the take down lever getting too hot after putting a few magazines o through his VP9. So bad it was that he wore a glove on his left hand. Sounds like you didnt have that problem. Actually, he's the only one I've heard mention that happening. Is he the only one? :)

@TheConcealedCarryChannel

2 жыл бұрын

It's never happened to me, but I suppose it's possible. I would be interested in knowing how many rounds were shot in a row to generate that much heat.

@RodGreenshields

2 жыл бұрын

I think I saw that same video a couple days ago, too. He was shooting a massive volume of rounds outside, in the desert, during what he described as the “current heat wave destroying the west coast”. Clearly outlier conditions. I’ve owned my VP9 for nearly two years and have never experienced anything resembling that issue. Just the typical heat buildup you get with any gun. FWIW, I loooove my VP9 and VP9SK (superb for appendix carry with a 13 round mag and a 15 round mag in the sidecar). Tested about 20 before buying and these were the clear winners for me. For many people, the rave reviews of its ergonomics will be legit. CZ P-10 models were contenders, but the VP series was the clear winner.

I like the dual sided mag release, bullet-loaded indicator, and the 17+1 capacity... $750😱 #MaaaneDAM!! 🙄

@myrtlebeachwolfman7493

2 жыл бұрын

Just bought 1 can't wait to pick it up.

VP9 the Bugatti of firearms!

show the right side for us leftys

Walther has a better trigger.

I sold an HK VP9 for my Glock 19 Gen 3 and haven’t and will’nt regret it. Still have my HK P2000SK though, but Glock 19 stays in any situation. It’s the only HK pistol I’ll own.

@DIYDad1

3 жыл бұрын

So what made you keep the p2000 and not the VP? Just curious. I’ve heard that HK hammer fired guns are on another level compared to the VP.

@lukesmith981

3 жыл бұрын

@@DIYDad1 I like how there’s not much going on, more concealable, single & double action hammer in a polymer frame, and simple look are the reasons why I keep it.

The Glock is such an ugly brick. The VP9 looks like hot sports car compared to it.

I dont wanna sub cause every video asks you too.

There is no category where the Walther PDP doesn’t match or flat out beat the VP9.

The USP and P30 series are durable tanks, the VP9 are flimsy and not so reliable. USP H&K fanboy here all the way.

@Birdfeeder795

2 жыл бұрын

P30 being a tank is a topic for discussion. The P30 is the Norwegian police standard pistol and that includes the Norwegian equivalent of SWAT. They went back to Sig P320 since the P30 wasn’t reliable enough for their use.

@reachblowsdick7222

2 жыл бұрын

@@Birdfeeder795 - And many police here in the U.S. have switched from their Sig P320 to the P226 or Glocks after many of them had accidental discharges due to Sig's safety failures. I trust the H&K P30 over the Sig P320 any day.....at least the P30 won't fire accidentally.

@fearnonebutone4977

Жыл бұрын

@@Birdfeeder795 P320’s break often and most gunsmiths will confirm that. They also have tons of lawsuits for the trigger going off without the user touching it. Never heard that issue with any HK. That said, when agency’s switch from one duty weapon to another, cost is often the main deciding factor and Sig offers the p320 for a super cheap price compared to Glock and HK etc.

Half-way through the video and you never mentioned anything about the opposite slide release. Come on, dude.

Just don’t drop it in a 2 inch puddle and expected to work. Watch MAC (military arms channe) for this deplorable pistol. Couldn’t pass any torture test for his spite other pistols doing better than the VP9.

Personally I prefer hammer fired pistols as much as I love my glocks and my smith and Wesson M&M P. And My VP9, and I worry about the sig P320 series to be honest especially after what I heard happened today I did have have a sigp250 I sold for $850 on utahgunexhange, Wish I couldn't believe what's happening. And those I was able to get a brand new HKP30 long slid for $650! Just a few weeks ago in fact. I have 2P 2000HK's and said quite a few signs and Berettas which I think are all amazing and 1911s of course. While I plan to get a vp9 reg size for carry at some poinpoint.... I really struggle to think of a better pistol in the HKP30LS , because it is they perfect training plot for him for anyone who is new to firearms little alone Let alone The Perfect carry pistol for anyone experienced or not. After getting out on theRange I Outshot Everyone i N my local group including some pigs and Maya parking idiots dressing to play soldiers. Sensitive people lol. Every one but one guy with a revolver and a 1911 guy I outshot. A guy with the walther ppq did as well and the two vp9 guys did extrewwe!l but not as well as I did and I'm halfway blown who with one good eye. A purple people eater. Anyway....having borrowed a VP and having owned the sk of the p30 I just CAnt get enough it and outside of a very special 1911 . just see hearing my story sorry I'm using a new tablet the keyboard is a bitch