The applications of this tool when it comes to realistically​ shading, colouring, and capturing light are very fascinating. It would have been nice to see more of that in the video rather than just its basic use for tracing.

@baplotnik

Жыл бұрын

You can just scribble an original realistic photo?!?!?!??!??!? I need one!!!

I gave up drawing many many years ago and switched to photography because capturing anything more realistic is way easier. Now I know this is how scientists before the age of photography create accurate illustrations, let's learn drawing again.

@pantac4493

Жыл бұрын

Which version are you going to get?

Hands on... Yeah right. Skip to 20:07 for 37 seconds of hands on... Out of a 21 minute video. great.

@TheRadChannel

7 жыл бұрын

Thank you TESTED for changing the title. Much better.

@jimday666

4 жыл бұрын

thanks

@masemora9403

3 жыл бұрын

Cheers mate wat a video all I wanted to see was the hands on part lol thanks again rad chan

Tim's Vermeer is an excellent documentary on the rediscovery and use of this technology.

@brooksbrooks6805

2 жыл бұрын

Not exactly. Close but not the same, tim used 1 standard angled mirror whereas this device helps project the image onto a see through piece of plastic which lowers the quality of the colors. Thus better for sketching rather than painting. Tim's device is way cooler and much more interesting in my opinion

David Hockney changed the way I look at late 17th - 19th century paintings for ever. His hypothesis makes a lot of sense and his argument is irresistibly convincing!

The camera lucida is still in use in some scientific fields. I have a college who studies small crustaceans called amphipods. In this field, camera lucida drawings (using a CL attached to a stereo microscope) are still the accepted way to submit anatomical drawings for publications characterizing new species. The CL allows the observer to interpret microscopic anatomy by focusing through a specimen under the microscope. A photograph would only capture one focal plane.

@Crispy_Bee

Жыл бұрын

These days one would take many photos and then combine them (focus stacking).

@AO-bl7cc

Жыл бұрын

@@Crispy_Bee Maybe. Not all labs have automated focus racks, slide stages, and or focus dials.

@Crispy_Bee

Жыл бұрын

@@AO-bl7cc well it doesn't have to be automated. Focus stacking has been done for years manually very successfully. But these days software has made a lot of advances so it's far easier so combine these images.

Holy crap, that shelving thing behind them is awesome. I'd watch a video just on how they built that.

I always wondered how scientists and botanists back in the day were so good at drawing plants and birds. Now I know. They traced that shit out of thin air.

@adcreel9079

4 жыл бұрын

I know right. Lol

I wish they would have showed the old tools in use and gave us a view of what it looks like to look into them.

@dannyc.jewell8788

5 жыл бұрын

Desiring a higher quality video

@1833yatfu

4 жыл бұрын

go watch 'Tims Vermeer' for answers

@akabga

Жыл бұрын

The older devices had numerous lenses so you could get wider images, or clear objects from far away, like for landscaping or architecture. This one is amazingly lacking. The ratio in the distance between you and the subject have to be the same. This thing only extends about two feet from the table, so your subject can only be two feet away. It’s impossible for portraits, and anything further than that.

@bellaluce7088

Жыл бұрын

@@akabga ?!?!? I'm baffled by the misinformation and negativity in your comment. Your statement that the subject can only be two feet away is simply not factual. It's also false that the Neolucida XL can't be used for portraits. Also, the designer himself talked about the greater versatility of the antique devices with multiple lenses, and explained that the Neolucida XL was created to provide the basic functionality of tracing from life in a device that's easier to use. Those are the kind of design trade-offs people make all the time, and since they were discussed openly, consumers can make an informed decision. - I truly do not understand hating on something that's actually quite cool and that many people like.

@akabga

Жыл бұрын

@@bellaluce7088 We own this and know its limitations. No one is “hating.” Put it back in the deck.

Search Tim's Vermeer better explanation, better tool and shows how to make your own...... on the cheap

@acesul8811

7 жыл бұрын

Also, presented in an incredibly artistic and motivating way

@TedChow221

7 жыл бұрын

love that documentary !

@faizalf119

7 жыл бұрын

The worst part is he's not even credited Tim for inspiring him to make his own Lucida.

@michaelgonzales8071

7 жыл бұрын

ha! he's my boss. he's really cool in real life.

@FryGuy1013

7 жыл бұрын

He mentioned the movie in this video.

If anyone has ever heard of Vitruvius, he was a Roman architect/engineer from 1st century BCE, apparently he had developed a tool somewhat similar but not with prism. Vitruvius' tool was described as a flat, transparent surface with a grid of strings or fine wires stretched across it. You would look through the device and align the strings with the edges or key points of what they were observing. Which allowed for better consistency of proportions and perspective.

So pleased to hear David Hockney's praises being sung as a serious academic as well as an artist. I think his ability to look and see is extraordinary and is the what brought about his discoveries re the camera lucida. Great video guys.

@phillipstroll7385

2 жыл бұрын

Oh please. He knew it because he used it. He wasn't an artist. Artists don't need to trace.

@huyked

Жыл бұрын

@@phillipstroll7385 I guess photography isn't art, because that's traced with chemicals (old school) and silicon (new school) instantaneously.

@phillipstroll7385

Жыл бұрын

@@huyked you're correct. Glad you said it.

@huyked

Жыл бұрын

@@phillipstroll7385 Nah. It's tongue-in-cheek. Of course photography is art.

im not good at drawing i picked up a neo lucida, im still not good at drawing. its not a cheater tool. think of it like a calculator, does that instantly make you a mathematician.

Just a week ago I got one XIXth century brass telescopic camera lucida in perfect conditions at a flea market with its original leatherette case for 35 euros. Quite a steal...

I've seen these things before I'm sure, in my old class room in the sixties my teacher used what she called an overhead projector, I think she also used the term "Balopticon", very similar in appearance to this tiny gadget, only the school's device was large heavy and cumbersome, but looks very similar!

@arknark

Жыл бұрын

I wasn't around in the sixties, but in the 90's and early 2000's they were still using those, believe they were called ELMO's(?)

I have David Hockney's book and this Camera Lucinda. Both fascinating

This is really cool. I'll certainly be getting one. I don't know how much I'll end up using it, but it's cheap, and easy to set up, and I'll regret not having it in my drawers of drafting supplies. I'm also thinking it could be used to check accuracy of replicas I make, where instead of a sketchbook, I can use a real photo, and line up my own replica as if it's the subject to draw, and see if I can get them to match.

Need one of these. Thanks

I saw a thing with the same concept sold in a craft section aimed at kids years. Had no idea that it really might have worked that well.

Really interesting interview, thank you.

Is this usable for left-handed?

This seems like a novelty tool more than anything now a days, but I still found the entire video interesting because I liked hearing about the engineering and history of the device.

Couple'a smart fellows. What's old is new -- and beautiful -- again!

i know this is tested and you are teaching us about how it works. so i get you guys talking for a long time and i liked hearing about this history. but seriously!! why was it so short??

can this work with drawing tablets?

There are free tracing apps for every device. Building a stand for your tablet/phone will cost you between 10-15$ (0$ if you have some scrap wood- or plasticboards lying around ). So....yeah....

Excellent

OH MY GOD I'VE BEEN TRYING TO REMEMBER THESE DEVICES FOR OVER A DECADE.

It is a wonderful little gadget still hard to use. I'm glad he made a bigger one

Search "Camera Lucida" (Gibbs Studios) in the iTunes App Store; it's a digital version with loads more flexibility. An original prism-based camera lucida is a neat tool, but a digital evolution gives it new life.

At Knott's berry farm they got a guy who draws portraits on the spot for 10$.they used one of these

I backed his first Kickstarter, it is an amazing and fun device. At last, I can draw true to life!

Henry Fox Talbot did NOT "invent photography", that was Nicéphore Niépce in the 1820's. Talbot did invent some improved methods, including salt prints, that lead to more advancements in the field along with Daguerre. Actually, Wedgewood had made some approximations of reproduced images in the late 1700's, but Niepce's method was reproduceable, if slow.

Great video. Norm, where is your unaided drawing so that we can gauge the difference it makes?

Genuinely curious. Firstly I plan to get one anyway. I love the fact that you're presenting us with this simple but effective deeply rooted in history. What I am wondering, is it much different drawing over a digital image where it's sitting on 30% opacity and you're using a tablet screen as your pencil?

This would be very good for mechanical parts rendition and exploded diagrams.. for the less IT advanced and proficient..🤔

7:38 Henry Fox Talbot doen't invent photography... he invent calotype processes... check your history book please.

Fox-Talbot did not invent photography, he essentially invented photographic paper. Joseph Nicéphore Niépce invented the first photographic process, which used bitumen as the medium. His collaborator Louis Daguerre then came up with the daguerreotype, which was the first process practical enough for widespread use, and the first based on the chemistry of silver. Fox-Talbot followed them.

They have these at the science museum in sf

SketchAR app and iPad Pro. What is missing is AR glasses 👓 that works that way.

So a 20 minute video and the only actual testing part is in the last 20 seconds of the video ?? WTF?? It's not even a good drawing

@maxximumb

7 жыл бұрын

The history behind the gadget was interesting. I enjoyed the video.

@GeryS.

7 жыл бұрын

knk9118 ikr... TOOOOOO MUCH TALKING

@wobblysauce

7 жыл бұрын

+

@GopherPlays

7 жыл бұрын

shoulda read the comments first lol

@tobyhawkins5773

7 жыл бұрын

Mate I kind of agree, but the title of the video is the history of it, which is most of the content, but they give an example of use at the end.

But how much does both versions cost ?

Coming to this 'game' a bit late - was aware of such things in earlier years but I never had opportunity to try out. What would be particularly helpful (to me) is to have someone take a photo or video of what the artist can see when looking straight down into the device (under different lighting conditions) and post that for viewing. The promotional video gives a good idea of the concept of it but as it is a created image ('photoshop'ped overlays) showing it from the side and capturing the 'projected image', paper and pencil creating the tracing - it is not an ACTUAL view of the view through/into the lens. Anyone out there willing to do one like this and let me know?...please?

I would use it in my quilting, for landscapes.

@katrincarstens5125

2 жыл бұрын

For paintings and drawings a Lucy is priceless and awesome! But the neo is too small. And the bigger ones are Real graphic tools and so they cost a lot more. 🤷🏼‍♀️ I am looking for my new one... 🥰🙏🏻

Did anyone see the movie Tim's Vermeer? He basically showed and painted using this method.

Reminds me of something Vermeer did, Baroque Period. Watch Tim's Vermeer.

Very cool Engravers like silversmiths Can they use this tool

Awesome

Now attach a small camera to the spot where you look into the camera lucida and you can put it as high up as you want when you have a headset like drone pilots do. ;)

I want one!

Perfect example of art history being altered by tech would be the Roman's concrete being able to create the first arched walls due to a durability increase over just stacking rocks neatly. Creating this powdered concrete gave them the ability to basically mold an entire rock into whichever shape they needed. Even today, we can't reproduce concrete as strong as the Roman's was. We can create arches now bc we use math mostly and additional metal rods, but the Roman's literally had no need for other methods of holding things together. A further example on that would be the invention/or decision to use rebar with concrete, helps large buildings flex without breaking. Super late after this video's release, but think... if the Roman's made an empire state building of their concrete, they wouldn't need rebar because there was NO risk of malleability even under extreme pressure. Their concrete density was unbelievable

WTH? The Tested crowd is really weird sometimes. This was a really nice video. It didn't even occur to me that some people might have a problem with it until i tried to up vote and voting was disabled. Tested is and should be a place to feed hungry minds not simply test stuff. For that there are lots of review online. Anyway, i highly recommend watching the mentioned documentary, "Tim's Vermeer", it is really nice!

@SeaMushroom98

7 жыл бұрын

I thnk that the grievance that most people had was that the original title was "hands on with the Camera Lucinda", but there was hardly any hands on content. I think that Tested has this problem often -- titles that are disingenuous or not representative of the actual content.

@zachary3352

7 жыл бұрын

About the Tim's Vermeer film, I remember watching it a few years ago in a physics class. As soon as I saw the first minute of the video, I knew it was the same technology and was really hoping they would mention the documentary. As for the length of the video, I completely agree with you. I was captivated the whole time, and really appreciated learning about the history of this amazing tool.

At least you actually showed what the thing looks like this time.

is this similar to how the ghosts in the spooky Disney rides are made?

I had the original NeoLucida. It was pretty much useless and sold it for a surprising profit on ebay because they were hard to get hold of outside the US

reminds me of this old toy i used to have called digidraw

Thanks JAZZA for test

Finally something tested.

Guys I have tried this in person the video made it look crap but it is way better than you would expect and that's why I backed it

I like Norm, but he should have let Pablo Garcia speak more. He is a teacher/expert after all.

Omg this tool is so amazing. And it just shows that art and accurate hand drawn representations can have so many approaches. It is just so awesome to be able to know the tech behind it, the actual technique utilized by early scientists that were not that good at drawing by just relying on their memory. I believe that this is a tool that should be given to any child that has started showing that he/she can draw or that is exploring the world of expressing art on a sheet of paper. Also, the engineering behind it. It is just gorgeus to see that they ended up with a design so cheap to manufacture, and with a glass technique so easy to apply.

This is a re-occurring problem for Tested, too much talking not enough actual testing. Sometimes I wonder if you people even read the comments on your videos...

@MissNLucero

7 жыл бұрын

Not Tested, Norman!

@TedChow221

7 жыл бұрын

no pay no love.

@rm9308

4 жыл бұрын

I liked their explanations, but yeah I'd have liked it more if they'd devised a way to demonstrate the optics other than just having Norman draw a terrible orc.

16:17 in. On the edge of my seat, anticipating a demonstration anytime now...

Somehow a pair of glasses or monocle needs to incorporate this tech so that one can not worry about moving the tool farther or closer to increase or decrease the size of the subject you are wanting to trace.

I need one

so much hype to in the end you can only reproduce the size of postcards.

New title comes as less of an ad

I order one sent it right back you can only use it on a small image that has to be right in front of you and you can barely see it really hard if at all to get the image lined up on the canvas or paper total rip for over $100.

@bellaluce7088

Жыл бұрын

Are you talking about a different product than the NeoLucida XL featured in this video? It was designed to address those challenges, and it costs less than $100.

The video is 17 minutes too long

Cool

Yeah I just watched at 20:00 like someone suggested. I wasn't going to watch the full video seeing as so many people were saying it was unnecessarily long.

1:07 How to correct someone's pronunciation like a Sir.

It's sad to know that thousands of people all over the world has given up art because they are not GOOD, drawing accurately but Camera obscura is a dirty little secret all our favorite artist have used....

@MACTEP_CHOB

Жыл бұрын

Art is not only drawing. Besides many artists use PC now, because you will use PC to look at it anyway.

How cool :-)

Wait what, a 20 minutes video for 20 seconds of tracing through a glass, c'mon...

@dontknowenator

6 жыл бұрын

It's called tested not talked about

@pmcelraft

6 жыл бұрын

Da Vinci used this method

it's how they lined up the great pyramid

I'm In!

Comment 5: The Neo-Lucida and the XL are nice, but they certainly don't exude the romance that the older Lucidas do.

This would be a great tool for water color artists who draw and paint out in public.

That's like the "Pepper's Ghost" effect.

Guys it is italian: camera lucida is pronounced camera luchida( lu as in look, chi as in chip, da as in dart)

How come dislikes cant be seen?

@RobinK

7 жыл бұрын

They disabled the likes/dislikes because they got too many dislikes. I guess they did it to keep up their image.

To the people complaining about them talking for 20 minutes and testing it the last minute, did you read the title? It says *History* , not review

That guy in the back with the space suit doesn't talk much...is he ok?

I bought the Neo Lucida. If only it was a cheap knockoff I'd probably be happy with it. Turns out the prism is completely different from any of the original designs. The image is so dim you basically need to put your object under a spotlight in a dark room for it to be practical. The original would produce an image basically as bright as your scene, which almost makes the Neo Lucida a Camera Obscura by comparison. Also, without the set of lenses that came with the original, you can only properly draw an object that is the same distance from the prism as your paper. Notice how he keeps referring to the image as "different", when he should have just said "inferior". I reckon that novelty item from the 1950's was the real inspiration for the Neo.

I liked the video

I own the original NeoLucida original. They are not easy to use, in fact it is pretty much useless.

@bellaluce7088

Жыл бұрын

I'm glad they addressed this kind of feedback by making the NeoLucida XL. I'm willing to invest time to master cool but finicky technology sometimes, but I'd rather just use the XL with the easier to use viewfinder. That monster drawing he whipped out at the end of the video was badass!

There are situations where this could be handy, but if youre looking to start drawing, the best way is to just pick up a pen and paper.

Photography was around since 1840s, popularized in the late 1860s and very common in the 1880s. Why should this tool from 1907 be before photography?

Why do reviews of this device by users say it is so poor?

Painting Cameos back in the day

This is what bakeries use to decorate cakes.

Overhead projector

It’s still work but it’s easier than doing it only by eye

9:37: ............. that's the one my brother had ........ !! you're right - it didn't work well

This looks interesting might get one. I think the arrows in the diagram at 15:00 mins are going the wrong way though lol. Having Red arrows emerging from the eye shows it like a laser weapon. The light rays should be traveling from the flower off the mirror and into the eye

It looks a lot like a teleprompter from the 70's

BUT HOW DOES IT COMPARE TO THE NEW IPHONE?

Lithographs might be more precise With this

Their prices are far too high for me to reach.