Great video, R.I.P Anatolian languages

@CostasMelas

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you

@mahatmaniggandhi2898

3 жыл бұрын

RIP :(

@mahatmaniggandhi2898

3 жыл бұрын

@Ahmet Altaş mapping i wish more people would set aside their historical differences and spread peace ☹❤

@barbarianbatista8027

3 жыл бұрын

HAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH

@fm-gamer5617

3 жыл бұрын

Greek is an Anatolian language because the Greeks came from west Anatolia 10.000 years ago. The Anatolian languages were indogermanic languages like Greek.

I'm surprised by how long the last Anatolian languages held on. I don't usually think of such an ancient language family lasting into the Middle Ages

@napabilirim

3 жыл бұрын

Uhm... sorry but Egyptian is still being spoken. It's not an extinct language, it's just a dead language, but still being spoken in churches occasionally, and was never completely lost, like Latin. It also sadly has alot of Hellenic loan words and it's not REALLY Egyptian though, so I guess you're right. Also, Arabic and Hebrew are VERY ancient languages as well.

@VulcanTrekkie45

3 жыл бұрын

@@napabilirim Last time I checked, none of those languages were Anatolian languages...

@Gabsboy123

3 жыл бұрын

@@napabilirim The Coptic language is the modern form of Egyptian. The Christians in Egypt are still being referred to as Copts.

@napabilirim

3 жыл бұрын

@@Gabsboy123 Copts are Greek though. Ancient Egyptians were black and Copts are literally as white as a French person

@qaz1001

3 жыл бұрын

@@napabilirim bess sausack birdey emess

It seems like the mountains are always the last strongholds of dying languages. The Isaurians survived so long because of the rugged terrain of their region. I can think of many other examples of mountain people clinging on to their languages. The Incans were pushed into the Andes, the Hmong into the hills of Southern China, the native Austroasiatic people into the mountains of Thailand and Laos, etc.

@CostasMelas

3 жыл бұрын

Correct. Also Basque, the Caucasian Languages, Aromanian and Albanian in the Balkans, East Iranian languages in Afghanistan and Pakistan, Welsh etc survived thanks to the mountainous terrain

@truthissacred

3 жыл бұрын

@@CostasMelas how did albanian survive in the balkans?

@androtchitchinadze3450

2 жыл бұрын

Same with Religion as well. When the Roman Empire declared Christianity as the official Religion of the state, many Mountain peoples thought it was pathetic, until the religion kept dying out and the last Zeus worshipper converted to Christianity or Died somewhere around the 9th century

@Lingist081

2 жыл бұрын

@@androtchitchinadze3450 Yeah and there were still Germanic pagans in the mountains of northern Sweden up until almost the 1400s. Some Franks even still worshipped the Germanic gods into the 9th century. By that point the Frankish language had turned into Old Dutch.

@Jrookus

2 жыл бұрын

@@truthissacred it’s an alleged descendant of the various Illyrian languages, languages lost when Attila the Hun and German invaders razed the place to the ground. The Slavs moved in and then replaced the Illyrians in the now empty lands. Except for Albania

The Romans all but wiped out the native Anatolian languages by encouraging the spread of Greek/Romaeica to replace them. Ironic then that later the Seljuks and Ottomans would use a similar policy to wipe out Romaeica.

@adnan_honest_jihadist5775

3 жыл бұрын

whats romaeica

@legioromanaxvii7644

3 жыл бұрын

@@adnan_honest_jihadist5775 It was the name of what most of us know as the Greek language during the later Roman Empire until the 19th century, where it had borrowed thousands of Latin loan words (and many Turkish also). Romaeica is the Latinized transilteration of the Greek ρωμαίικα or ρωμαϊκή γλώσσα.

@adnan_honest_jihadist5775

3 жыл бұрын

@@legioromanaxvii7644 ok was one of the most wide spoken languages of the world?

@perseusofmacedon6918

3 жыл бұрын

@@legioromanaxvii7644 romaeica which in Greek means literally roman( because Easter Romans called themselves Romans) borrowed Turkish words?

@legioromanaxvii7644

3 жыл бұрын

@@perseusofmacedon6918 Only after the Ottomans conquered the Romans.

This is by far the saddest of all your videos but still amazing.

@blackphoenix3220

3 жыл бұрын

Lol.

@o-o2399

3 жыл бұрын

yup

@hieratics

3 жыл бұрын

@@regabrielexv only glorious hellenization 😎

@h2eroskoryosaryakaraaryani777

3 жыл бұрын

@@hieratics and then turkification.

@kkoron7908

3 жыл бұрын

@@hieratics tbf Greeks were the closest people to the Ancient Anatolians

You might not have realised it but your work has improved a lot!

@CostasMelas

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you :)

@fridayyy.2102

3 жыл бұрын

@@CostasMelas No problem

Cant be the oly one that was surprised by the extent of the Anatolian Languages so deep in Greece.

@user-sz9dj1pl9o

3 жыл бұрын

That was before greek speaking people migrated to these areas

@AD-yq8rl

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-sz9dj1pl9o No not at all. there were Mediterranean people who were living in Greece before the Greeks. Such as Cycladic and Minoan civilizations. They were not Greek.

@Zeyede_Siyum

3 жыл бұрын

@@AD-yq8rl Minoan's aren't Greek?

@christermi

3 жыл бұрын

@@AD-yq8rl They are predecessors of Greeks, so they are Greeks.

@CostasMelas

3 жыл бұрын

The main witnesses for this expansion is the toponyms with suffix -ssos/ssa, nthos/ndos/nda common in Greece and Asia Minor. This is maybe reinforced by the references of the ancient Greeks (although vague enough because of the distant past) about the pre-Greek tribes which are settled also in Asia (Leleges, Carians etc)

This channel together with I Love Languages has revealed to me the world and history in all of my years of study under such a dynamism I could've never imagined. Thank you for your work. Our curiosity has no boundaries!

@CostasMelas

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much

3:22 Bronze_age.exe has stopped responding.

As a Anatolian thanks for this video!

@metehankurt4758

2 жыл бұрын

Türk müsün? Ben de Anadolu'luyum keşke Eski Anadolu dilleri ölmeseydi de onları konuşsaydık.

@yenidenturktarihtezi

2 жыл бұрын

@@metehankurt4758 ne alaka

@talatpasa9245

2 жыл бұрын

@Ali Kılıç Dna testinde eski Anadolu halklarını değil günümüz Anadolu insanını gösteriyor. Yani dna testinde Anadolu çıkınca hititli olmuyorsun.

@talatpasa9245

2 жыл бұрын

@Ali Kılıç Ben sana Anadolulu kime denir mi? dedim .Dna testinde Anadolu çıkıyorsa günümüzde Anadolu'da yaşayan insanlarına olan genetik benzerliğinden dolayı çıkıyor.

@talatpasa9245

2 жыл бұрын

@Ali Kılıç Kendini hititli lidyalı görüyorsan gör. Beni ilgilendirmez

Asia Minor sure underwent drastic linguistic changes. From the Bronze Age Hittites to Greek to Turkic

@Sporkonafork1

Жыл бұрын

@Volkan facts

@ayberk3888

Жыл бұрын

@Volkan actually during seljuk and ottoman times main difference between turks and greeks in anatolia was religion, culture was very similiar since both had ancient anatolian traditions and customs, only difference in culture was arabic, persian and central asian influence in the turks, so i think islam is an integral part of turkish identity, even though i am not muslim, i think we should preserve some of the more moderate and well established islamic and central asian traditions, even though we are anatolian and our ancestors were anatolian

@deanticocombar7529

11 ай бұрын

​​@@ayberk3888ro the thing is that Anatolians were always separate from Greeks under byzentine empire they were assimilated forcefully by Greeks .if there were no Turks or Islam then land of Anatolia may never be free from Greeks .Greeks occupied this land when alexender the great invaded Anatolia.Native Anatolians were close to ancient Greeks but they were not Greeks neither they were Armenians.Anatolian identity rise again when these native Anatolians who were greekified were then turkified and made them successfully separate from Greeks and hence now Anatolia was a separate in form of turkey a modern country definitely Turkic culture and Islam helps them to break off from the Greeks . Native Anatolians were unique people unfortunately they were destroyed by greeks

@ayberk3888

11 ай бұрын

@@deanticocombar7529 wrong, during the byzantine empire balkan greeks and anatolians both had common identity, spoke the same language, believed in same religion, they were both romans (rum in modern turkish), yes they were assimilated but that was during the alexander's era, not byzantine era and by the time of byzantines anatolians were pretty much same as balkan greeks and there was a cultural synthesis during that period since balkan greeks also took many things from anatolians, they were both called roman. Turks assimilated anatolian romans again and created a cultural synthesis combining eastern roman (greek), persian and central asian cultures. So byzantine culture is a synthesis of greek and anatolian cultures, anatolian turkish culture is a synthesis of byzantine, persian and central asian cultures.

@deanticocombar7529

11 ай бұрын

@@ayberk3888 yeah similar case both are Greek empires both times assimilation happens.Yes before Turks they were also known as equal Greeks. byzentine empire even use these Anatolian Greeks to repopulate the Balkans when trouble happens in Balkan peninsula .

Was waiting for this! Thanks! Tocharian and Thracian would be Interesting, too.

@CostasMelas

3 жыл бұрын

You're welcome :)

Great job as always, I wanted this one.

@CostasMelas

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you

They became hellenized, Hellenized Rûms are their descendants.

@GeoBBB123

3 жыл бұрын

@Souleiman the Great And one day again Yunanlar. Inshallah. Lol :)

@CobraRedstone

3 жыл бұрын

@Souleiman the Great You are imaginary Turks. You are Anatolians.

@volkanaydemir1440

3 жыл бұрын

@@GeoBBB123 no ,thnks

@volkanaydemir1440

3 жыл бұрын

@@CobraRedstone no

@GeoBBB123

3 жыл бұрын

@@volkanaydemir1440 Well you probably look more Mediterranean than Central Asian. And just think ... you'll be able to abandon the lies of your dirty prophet!!!

So mutch work ! Thanks man for this video

@CostasMelas

3 жыл бұрын

You're welcome :)

I love watching all of your videos... it's really informative!👍

@CostasMelas

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you

Ι knew some things about these languages from the history I read. But I didn't know how they were interwoven. We can also watch the greek, phrygian and armenian languages in the N, NW side migrating. Thank you Costas.

@CostasMelas

3 жыл бұрын

You're welcome :)

If only somebody would dedicate time to reincarnate these languages the same way the Jews did with Modern Hebrew, these languages were too precious, still massive love from Turkey, love your vids!

@CostasMelas

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much

@Zeyede_Siyum

3 жыл бұрын

But the people are long gone.

@yourwifesfirsthusband2038

2 жыл бұрын

But you're 100% pure turkic people

@Valkyraw

2 жыл бұрын

@@Zeyede_Siyum where did the people go? where did the ENTIRETY if anatolia go to?

@Zeyede_Siyum

2 жыл бұрын

@@Valkyraw to your mom.

Love the music you use for these videos.

Great video, Melas!

@CostasMelas

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you :)

I am living in geography once Pisidian was spoken. It mesmerizes me how those languages stayed alive until Greek influence.

@theodorospadelidis6537

2 жыл бұрын

i own a greco turkish friendship discord server if you want to join send me your account

@DoofyGilmore1299

2 жыл бұрын

Greeks destroyed many anatolian cultures and many anatolian language...

@theodorospadelidis6537

Жыл бұрын

@Yanki Kiran i own a greco turkish friendship discord server if you want to join send me your account

Real Anatolians 😍

@blackphoenix3220

3 жыл бұрын

You are a Turkified Anatolian.

@papazataklaattiranimam

3 жыл бұрын

@@blackphoenix3220 get a life kid

@blackphoenix3220

3 жыл бұрын

@@papazataklaattiranimam kiddo accept the truth :)

@adnan_honest_jihadist5775

3 жыл бұрын

@@blackphoenix3220 and after all turks accept the truth what did you gain through that than? if you gained nothing or something useless than youre campaign was or is useless youre only doing this to put others in shame than

@h2eroskoryosaryakaraaryani777

3 жыл бұрын

@@blackphoenix3220 they will never accept the truth. They can never accept the truth. They have more, Anatolian, Hurro-urartian, Hellenic, Hittite, Armenian, Assyrian genes than Monglo-turkic 7% genetical clusters. Absolutely nobody on earth is 100% Turkic or Aryans but definitely Yakuts are the most Turkic people on earth with 86% turkomongoloid Genes

Europeans: Turks are Arabs Turks are Anatolians Turks are Greco-Armenians Turks are Mongolians Turks are ... We are literally everything except Turk😹

@noahtylerpritchett2682

3 жыл бұрын

Nope yep some nope Tribal nomads are Turkic The longer a family was sedimentary the less Turkic at least I think. And Europeans aren't the only people that do that. qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-8e9b5624379085ab19d2b3512552de1a No one that I know of disputes most groups as Turkic except the Oghuz (the red) and the Khalaj.

@sobertowelie3267

2 жыл бұрын

You're far from being Turks. You look like Middle Easterners; you're majority Muslim and minority Christian (Karamanlides and Gagauz) instead of Tengrian; you live far away from other Turks and most of you have a high percentage of Armenian, Hellenic, Slavic, Kurdish, Iranian, Arab, Anatolian, Bulgar and Middle Eastern blood / ancestry. You're only still Turks by name and language.

@noahtylerpritchett2682

2 жыл бұрын

@@sobertowelie3267 Karaminlides? Who that?

@sobertowelie3267

2 жыл бұрын

@@noahtylerpritchett2682 A Turkish speaking minority group in Greece and Turkey adhering to Greek Orthodox Christianity. The Karamanli alphabet is basically Turkish written with the Greek alphabet but with a few more Greek loanwords.

@Engifarting456

2 жыл бұрын

@@sobertowelie3267 turkmens from Turkmenistan also look like middle easterners same with some uyghurs from east turkestan whats ur point

its enough to make a grown man cry

Amazing video as always! You're the best in making these types of videos! What did you plan for next?

@CostasMelas

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much. Thracian or Illyrian maybe the next

i absolutely love the colouring

Great work 👍👍👍

@CostasMelas

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you

These languages died because of us other Indo-Europeans like Greeks and Iranians.

@jan4230

3 жыл бұрын

@@iranmaster No, Anatolian languages had already gone extinct before Turks expand within Anatolia. It was Greeks who assimilated them.

@yenidenturktarihtezi

2 жыл бұрын

@Db_Krdstn only in your dream

@wankawanka3053

Жыл бұрын

By died you mean assimilated?

Very hard work Congrats

@CostasMelas

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you. Indeed it was one of the most difficult I have made

Good video! How about history of the Thracian languages?

@CostasMelas

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, very likely for the next one

@thanasisvoutsas461

3 жыл бұрын

@@CostasMelas when did thracians start identifying as greek ?

@smokingcat7960

2 жыл бұрын

Husavi production senin ne işin var

Could you post any the sources you used in making this video, or in future videos more generally?

Sad whole language family has disappeared.

@noahtylerpritchett2682

3 жыл бұрын

@Nadir Hikmet Kuleli Nope. It was a process from Greeks, Romans, Crusaders, Turks and Sassanids. It's a process. Besides the Greeks (or Romans or Crusaders or Turks) colonized the land. Pots not pottery more cultural than genetic. Though the genetics of certain groups could influx in certain regions and it's likely the families who are nomadic or recently sedimentary are more Turkic than the long standing city dwellers.

@noahtylerpritchett2682

3 жыл бұрын

@Nadir Hikmet Kuleli exactly. Greeks and Armenians aren't only not Anatolian speakers they live in the periphery of the peninsula Culturally however they have a impact on the region and Armenia itself was culturally influenced by the Anatolians.

@noahtylerpritchett2682

3 жыл бұрын

@Nadir Hikmet Kuleli the Greeks and Armenians has slight impacts genetically on the periphery.

@somebody1241

3 жыл бұрын

@@noahtylerpritchett2682 Turks just responsible for Galatian and it is a Celtic Language and they are not alone in this subject they do this with Byzantines(Greeks)

@noahtylerpritchett2682

3 жыл бұрын

@@somebody1241 Galatian died off around 600s AD

Yep . This accords very well with my view that 'Pre-Greek' is essentially, in most part anyway, comprised of Anatolian IE.

But then the Romans came and smashed it

@GeoBBB123

3 жыл бұрын

Actually it was largely the Greeks who absorbed these Anatolian language speakers.

@trantorcapitalofthegalacti3173

3 жыл бұрын

@@GeoBBB123 Well, he is not exactly wrong either. You're both partially right. The Roman governors of Anatolia opened up the interior of Anatolia where the indigenous tribes being ignorant of Greco-Roman culture resided. As you may already know, the Romans are known for speaking Latin but what is less known to many folks is that the Romans had embraced Greek language and culture as their own language and what not. The Roman governors sent emissaries to the deep, inland areas of Anatolia to recruit Isaurians, Pisidians, Bithinians, Paphlagonians etc. Oftentimes, this had the effect of opening up the larger Greek cities under Roman rule to the non Greek-speaking regions. In order to integrate these barbarian lands into the Empire, the Greek language was often imposed upon the locals. It took almost 700 - 1000 years but by the later 7th century most of Anatolia was Greek-speaking, thanks to the Roman policies. So frankly I would say that the Greeks provided the fuel and lit it at first but the Roman Pax Romana set the spark that would make it explode.

@GeoBBB123

3 жыл бұрын

@@trantorcapitalofthegalacti3173 I agree ... although there was already a shitload of 'Greek fuel' for the Romans to use. The Greeks had very deep roots on the coast and, in the wake of Alexander's conquests even before the Romans, a good number of cities (with a combined population of Greek colonists and locals) were founded in many parts of the Anatolian interior.

@napabilirim

3 жыл бұрын

@@GeoBBB123 Romans brung Greek over. Remember, Eastern Mediterranean didn't speak Latin during that period, but they were largely Hellenized. Jesus couldn't speak Latin as well, but he did speak Greek fluently.

@basilikalathas5388

3 жыл бұрын

It was the Greeks. Asia Minor ( for you Anatolia) never spoke Latin. N e v e r . It was a greek speaking region.

greetings, have you ever played Crusader Kings 2?

Thanks for making this video. Now once again I'm reminding to make a sums up video of Anatolian, Hellenic, Paleo-Balkan & Armenian, Phygrian languages' extent. And another video on Tocharian languages. Then the Almighty Indo-European languages. Best of luck for that.

@CostasMelas

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you

Very interesting video! Fascinating that Anatolian languages were also widely spoken in Greece, I never knew that. Where did the Anatolian languages come from though? From the Caucasus or through the Balkans? Bacause the starting location of proto-Anatolian seems very close to the Balkans.

@CostasMelas

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you. The exact route of the Proto-anatolians is still a debate object

@scoffedeee7381

2 жыл бұрын

It's most likely the came from caucuses

That's some extensive presence in Mainland Greece and Crete of the Luwic branch, which mostly fades before it splits into specific known languages. What is the basis for showing it spread so far?

@CostasMelas

9 ай бұрын

In some sources, the migration of the Luvians is considered responsible for the common toponyms that exist in Greece and Asia Minor with suffic -nthos/ndos/nda -ssos/ssa

Do we have some sources for how the Isaurian languages worked? Like some words or inscriptions?

@CostasMelas

3 жыл бұрын

We know few words and names that nevertheless can show the Anatolian origin of the language

Proto Anatolian Proto Lydian Hittite Palaic Luwic Carian Lycian Pisidian Lydian Luwian Sidetic Milyan Ancient Cappadocian Isaurian

@_berat.ugur_3089

3 жыл бұрын

assimilated by greeks...

@borakaraca9788

2 жыл бұрын

Hitite is an ancient kingdom. today middle of the capital city of Turkey we have an hittitian sun statue

@theodorospadelidis6537

2 жыл бұрын

​@@borakaraca9788 i own a greco turkish friendship discord server if you want to join send me your account

@xdd87

Жыл бұрын

@@theodorospadelidis6537 Seljuks were %25-%45 East Eurasian. Modern Turks are %7-%22 except eastern black sea.

@user-nz5wf3qm5y

3 ай бұрын

​@@_berat.ugur_3089Yeah But 2.000 Years Before You

Κώστα έχω μια ερώτηση αν επιτρέπεται. Είμαστε εμείς οι Έλληνες υπέυθυνοι για τον χαμό κάποιων από αυτών των γλωσσών?

@CostasMelas

2 жыл бұрын

Σε μεγάλο ποσοστό η παρακμή των τελευταίων γλωσσών της Ανατολίας οφείλεται στον εξελληνισμό των τοπικών πληθυσμών, κατά τη διάρκεια της ελληνιστικής, ρωμαϊκής και πρώιμης βυζαντινής περιόδου.

Was so excited for this one!

@CostasMelas

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you like it

Great video 👍

@CostasMelas

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you

Hey there, would You play one Special CK2 mod??

Great video and I think it accurately illustrates how the PIE peoples encircled the Hatti, and possibly how the related Kaska held out and then allegedly wiped out the Pala. Interesting to note, Haplotypes related to the First Farmers were found in the late Chalcolithic in area around Hattusa as well as the Pontic Region to the north. It could be that the Hattic people spoke a language related to the First Farmers of Europe.

@CostasMelas

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much

@CH-tn3fn

Жыл бұрын

Which could be related to Basque, as DNA evidence seems to show that the Basque people were not descendants of Europe's prehistoric hunter gatherers, as was assumed before, but of the Neolithic people who brought farming to southern Europe.

R.I.P ANATOLIAN LANGUAGES 💔.

@JY-pl2nc

Жыл бұрын

Anatolian languages, changed Turks 🇹🇷🐎🐺

@wankawanka3053

Жыл бұрын

@@JY-pl2nc for how long is the question 😂

@papazataklaattiranimam

Жыл бұрын

@@JY-pl2nc they got Hellenised first

The music is amazing 😭

@barbarianbatista8027

3 жыл бұрын

HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH

I love it when people say Anatolians are Turkicized Greeks today. That's a fallacy. Rather instead they are Turkicized Anatolians. Greek blood is like 15-40% for the western coastlings. It's not a fallacy to say that the Anatolians Hellenized than Turkicized. Some probably also Iranianicized in the southeastern part. It's funny the 15-45% Turkic DNA (especially for the nomadic tribals like the Yoruks) is easily dismiss but the Greek DNA isn't dismiss. of course western Turks today have that percentage of Greek blood but Anatolian blood from these civilizations here (as well as the later Phyrgians and Armenians) makes more sense to mention than the Greek blood. Of course people in Turkey today acknowledge Greek blood and some citizens of Turkey identify as Pontic Greeks. And off topic the western Anatolians can also easily have substantial Thracian and Illyrian blood too. But my case is in point. I am not here to dismiss the Greeks btw. The history of Anatolia under it's Hellenic history is fabulous. I love Greek culture. And Greek diaspora in Anatolia.

@noahtylerpritchett2682

3 жыл бұрын

@OnoxXx yes I have admitted and basically said "ok maybe western Turkey has Greek DNA" but not central southern, northern and eastern areas as much

@papazataklaattiranimam

3 жыл бұрын

@Souleiman the Great everybody is greek and jewish according to myheritage nonsense😹

@noahtylerpritchett2682

3 жыл бұрын

@@papazataklaattiranimam God I hate MyHeritage. 23&me is better. Ancestry is alright but is too broad.

@noahtylerpritchett2682

3 жыл бұрын

@Souleiman the Great That is a complete possibility. Though it would of been identified as Balkanic would it not?

@noahtylerpritchett2682

3 жыл бұрын

@@papazataklaattiranimam Nigerian too. Everyone seems to get a lot of Nigerian.

As Troy fell, the seeds of vengeance had already appeared in the depths of Asia. Centuries later, the Turks came for the revenge of Troy and the freedom of Anatolia.

@noahtylerpritchett2682

2 жыл бұрын

No Turks didn't conceptualize or care or mission about Troy.

@Tztimelord

2 жыл бұрын

@@noahtylerpritchett2682 actually you are super wrong... Mehmed II who was the conqueer of constantinople was a fan of iliad and he knew Troy so well. When he captured the city he declaired finally he had troy's revenge . And after greko turkish war and when greeks were withdrawn from Anatolia, Mustafa Kemal also said same thing . So Troy is Asia and a big deal For turks, another asian nation

@Evansdrad8515

2 жыл бұрын

@@Tztimelord Turks and Troy is still unrelated whatever Mehmed cared about. It's like saying the Spanish avenged multiple tribes the Aztecs and Incas brutalized. When in reality the Spaniards didn't care. How many Spanish soldiers killed soldiers from a ethnic group they "liberated from these empires" likewise how many Anatolians had Trojan survival ancestry that fault for or against the Turks?

@noahtylerpritchett2682

2 жыл бұрын

@@Tztimelord I just remembered after reading this again. The Romans said the exact same thing. Since Romans regarded themselves of Trojan descent

@wankawanka3053

Жыл бұрын

Freedom of Anatolia?lol more like under new management 😂

What sources did you use in order to make this video?

@CostasMelas

3 жыл бұрын

I used a numerous sources (Mallory, Douglas, Yakubovich, Bruce, Gurney, Sakellariou etc). I will organized them as bibliography in the future and I add it in the description

Wery apriciating!

Interesting fact that you have showed the spreading of Anatolian in the Aegean area. I ever believed in some connection between Minoan,Tyrsenian and Anatolian languages..

I am a mixture of ancient Asia Minor and Turkish. We are the heirs of the Eastern Roman and Ottoman Empire. It is proud to be the heir of these two civilizations.

@HelloIdkwhatname

Жыл бұрын

Don't forget Anatolian Greeks😉

@turkcukayi

Жыл бұрын

@@HelloIdkwhatname Anatolian Rums can return to their homeland, Türkiye.

@pseudokanax2957

Жыл бұрын

@@turkcukayi some of them are Muslims Rûms and Turkish citizens be respectful to our Anatolian brothers.

@zaboybagoi8636

Жыл бұрын

@@HelloIdkwhatname Greeks are an Anatolian people descended from Aegean farmers who are descended from local Anatolian Hunter Gatherers.Even though Yamnayan Nomads (Elite warrior nobility just like Seljuk Turks) changed Greek language and religion. Ethnicity and culture remained Aegean

@zaboybagoi8636

Жыл бұрын

@@pseudokanax2957 Turkish Oghuz people and Rum Hellen people are different peoples and these 2 never intermingled except bride kidnappings,land figthings and village raidings.

what is the music you are using? it's beautiful!

@CostasMelas

3 жыл бұрын

See the description section below the video

Nice! Great video again!!! Amazing work!!!

@CostasMelas

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much

As great a video as always. And as for this language family itself, colour me both saddened and impressed. Saddened due to it's demise, but also impressed by how it persisted much longer than I thought it did.

@CostasMelas

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you :)

@Kingofportals

Жыл бұрын

They made it to the middle of the 600s A.D. which means they survived into the Islamic conquests period. I didn’t think they made it past the fall of Western Rome let alone deep into the Middle Ages.

Interestingly, the Isaurian and Phrygian dynasties had ruled over the Eastern Roman Empire through a period of turmoil in the 8th-10th Centuries

What languages were spoken in Northern Anatolia before the conquests of Alexander? Was it Persian, Aramaic or this area was already hellenized?

@CostasMelas

3 жыл бұрын

Mostly Phrygian language

Thank you Costas

İ like how taurus mountains creates an isolated hub for last anatolian language

I am deeply touched by this video. It’s my honour to be their descendant. What a land to live on...

@oguzhantekden2

3 жыл бұрын

On my main channel, I prepare videos with subtitles in 3 different languages for folk music of different nations. You are also invited... :) One of the examples I have prepared: kzread.info/dash/bejne/qIakm6ePormdZ6w.html

@Palladiosios

3 жыл бұрын

You're not their descendants. Most of these people weren't just hellenic in speech and culture but also blood. Not only were they extremely genetically similar to the Greeks, before the Greeks arrived but after we started building colonies in Anatolia, they became even more so

@noahtylerpritchett2682

3 жыл бұрын

@@Palladiosios given that modern Anatolians are only 15-45% Turkic in blood it's obvious DNA test estimates would just conclude that Anatolians descend from various people. People back then didn't commit consistent genocide. They are horny and intermarry. Stop denying human nature because only modern day was refusal to mix and genocide for nationalist reasons started to conceptually exist.

@blyat5352

2 жыл бұрын

Turks are turkified Caucasians( Caucasus ) with a bit of turkic blood. Only descendants of ancient anatolians are levatines and anatolian 'greeks'.

@sepulturaoftheforest2869

2 жыл бұрын

@@blyat5352 Stop stealing our Anatolian ancestrors arab. Ok?

These videos you make are great visualization tools. Can you add references to scholarly papers or data you use? That would add credibility to them. Where you are speculating- mention that.

@CostasMelas

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you. It would be great, but a little difficult to place the sources in the video stream

@scoffedeee7381

2 жыл бұрын

@@CostasMelas just put them in the description of the video

what is the origin of these languages? were they indo-european and was it similar to Greek? I just know that phyrigians were related to greeks like distant relatives and talked a similar language but dont know the others.

@CostasMelas

Жыл бұрын

See the video about the Indo-European Languages

@kirlisakaall

Жыл бұрын

@@CostasMelas I watched it, good work!

Proud of my native Anatolian ancestors and Turkic Ancestors.

@scoffedeee7381

2 жыл бұрын

Greece isn't gonna be happy Constantinople

@zibidigonzales_1

2 жыл бұрын

@@scoffedeee7381 İstanbul :D 😂😂😂😂😂

@zekielvanclef5093

2 жыл бұрын

@@scoffedeee7381 well it was built by greekified anatolians from today aydın so its ours not theirs Im talking about hagia sophia and constantinople

@wankawanka3053

Жыл бұрын

Turk amd native Anatolian lol🤣

@wankawanka3053

Жыл бұрын

@@zekielvanclef5093 greekefied anatolians just say you are turkified greeks it's not that hard

They were actually Neolithic Anatolian Farmers who got assimilated by Indo-European ruling elites. Almost everybody have ANF ancestry in Europe also even Irish people have like 40% Anatolian blood. Greeks and Italians are around 70% Anatolians too.

@xxnxnsj1346

8 ай бұрын

*Kalkolitik Anadolulardı.Ve de %5 gibi Yamnaya genetiği var.Kötü yani bu oran da.Bu kadar olmayan topluluklar var:d

@xxnxnsj1346

8 ай бұрын

İtalyanlar %30 gibi Yamnaya genetiği taşıyorlar.Geriye kalansa Kalkolitik İtalya yerlileri.

@mustafa_karaca

3 ай бұрын

Bence Anadolu ciftçileri gerçek hint avrupalıydı. En eski Hint avrupa dili anadoluda. Kurgan hipotezi yanlış

as an anatolian, i have to thank you so much

@CostasMelas

3 жыл бұрын

You're welcome :)

@KKODAXIS1982

3 жыл бұрын

Turks are not Anatolians. They are Mongolian tribe. Anatolia is now occupied by this you call "turkey".

@fseretis8seretis799

3 жыл бұрын

when you say Anatolian you mean turk??Well,turks migrated from Central Asia.

@bubirarda

3 жыл бұрын

@@fseretis8seretis799 i mean, i am a modern anatolian. i see myself as a hybrid of turks, greeks and ancient anatolians. so i call myself as "anatolian" :)

@Pao234_

3 жыл бұрын

@@KKODAXIS1982 Anatolian Turks are Turkic in only language and maybe a little culture. They have little Turkic dna and are basically Anatolians

Cool!

I wish they didin't go extinct and survived until today. It would be very interesting what would they evolve into and would be like today.

What language family was replacing the Anatolian languages in northern Anatolia before the Greeks?

@christermi

3 жыл бұрын

Mostly Phrygian tribes.

@user-bm5kj8qo3t

3 жыл бұрын

And armenian ones.

@user-bm5kj8qo3t

3 жыл бұрын

Later paflagonians, a branch of the north phrygians.

Were the Minoans (or their ruling class) and Pelasgos Luwic?

@CostasMelas

3 жыл бұрын

The settlement of the Anatolians is certain but it is not known whether they were eventually dominated, mixed or finally expelled.

Well actually I'm started to thinking about create new language called Anatolian and it will contain the synthesis of Anatolian languages that spoke in past such as Carian, Hittite, Lycian, Lydian etc. but if I could find any words for example or grammar or maybe know pronunciation...

@slyninja4444

2 жыл бұрын

As a linguaphile, I was thinking a similar thing. Hypothetical: After WWI, Ataturk reforms the turkish language in a different way: 1. Keeps the greek loanwords. 2. Replaces all the loanwords of Persian, Kurdish, Armenian, Arabic, Aramaic, Caucasian, etc. origin with their Hittite equivalent (at least what was decipherd at the time). While any remaining non-turkish words are replaced with words of turkic origin (like in our timeline). 3. Any known vocabulary from Hattic, Galathian, Phrygian, Mysian, Lydian, Luwian, Carian, Palaic, or Cappadocian replace the turkish word (excluding any vocab already replaced by hittite). Result is a language that is still majority turkic, but has words from all the various conquerers of anatolia.

@slyninja4444

2 жыл бұрын

I also imagined a similar thing for Azerbaijan. Hypothetical: To better distinguish themselves as a separate ethnic group from the anatolian Turks, the Azerbaijanis reform their language. 1. Keeps any words of Caucasian origin. 2. Any words of Greek, Persian, Armenian, Arabic, Aramaic, or Kurdish origin are replaced with their Talysh equivalent. 3. Any words (at least most) identical to turkish or turkmen are replaced with their Khalaj (perferably), Qashqai (if Khalaj word is the same), or Khinalug (if no Khalaj or Qashqai word is available) equivalent. Assuming the anatolian turkish reform mentioned above also takes place, it would result in 2 different Oghuz languages.

@yourwifesfirsthusband2038

2 жыл бұрын

@@slyninja4444 the old azeri language is tat language which is still alive and survive

@slyninja4444

2 жыл бұрын

@@yourwifesfirsthusband2038 Yeah, thats why I mentioned Talysh

@tark4027

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, really liked it.

ahh. Anatolian natives ... assimilated by the Greeks ... most Greeks are actually Anatolian natives.

@arasorman9912

3 жыл бұрын

Anatolians Greekized Greek Turkifled

@arasorman9912

3 жыл бұрын

Anatolia İs Not Turk

@arasorman9912

3 жыл бұрын

Anatolia Greek Georgian Kurdish Armanian Syriac Mixed You Are Not Turkish

@SM-zl4zd

3 жыл бұрын

@@arasorman9912 "anatolia is not turk" someone didnt get the note from 1071 AD.

@arasorman9912

3 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/i4uJ28OLhayck6w.html

Amazing video and so interesting!! I didn't know they had reached so far in mainland Greece!!

@CostasMelas

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you

What happened at 3:24 ? Phrygians ?

@CostasMelas

3 жыл бұрын

Yes mainly Phrygians but and Kaskians to a lesser extent

What is exactly Proto_Anatolian language ? Is there a video or osmething that I can hear it spoken ? Also great vid. Thanks for making it.

@CostasMelas

3 жыл бұрын

It is a reconstruction effort from the common characteristics of the earliest branches (Luwic, Hittite, Palaic)

very interesting. How some languages have disappeared. Together with culture and national characters.

@adnan_honest_jihadist5775

3 жыл бұрын

people think this life is paradise but no this life is hell but not the worst one

@user-hx2xl2km2e

3 жыл бұрын

But the genes remain....

@adnan_honest_jihadist5775

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-hx2xl2km2e seems useless

@user-hx2xl2km2e

3 жыл бұрын

@@adnan_honest_jihadist5775 I don't agree. Culture and social environment are important too, but still there are more important things. Sadly modern day mainstream forbids such topics.

@adnan_honest_jihadist5775

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-hx2xl2km2e "Sadly modern day mainstream forbids such topics" wdym with this

Lovely vid Kostas)

@CostasMelas

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you

Intersting video! Good job👍

@CostasMelas

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you

I wonder what language was the successor of the anatolian languages? Around 1100 bc it was phrygian I think. But later on till 600 ce it may be Greek?

@CostasMelas

Жыл бұрын

Yes, the gradual Hellenization of the interior of Anatolia during the Hellenistic, Roman and Early Byzantine periods. The coastal zone of course had a Greek presence or influence much earlier

History of Thracian languages next!

Yeah turks stop talking because Greeks were native to anatolia too and Anatolians were brothers to the greeks and they just got absorbed into greek culture its like if germans made Scandinavia german so turks dont say that they are your ancestors and greeks destroyed them you are central Asian soo you have nothing to do with them

@alisaeedi8973

3 жыл бұрын

Today Turkey people are half Greec and half Iranian. They are originally Ariyan. Just their languge is Turkish.

@stateofconstatinopole8316

3 жыл бұрын

@@alisaeedi8973 not all of them some do have Turkic DNA

@kasadam85

3 жыл бұрын

This video clearly shows that they weren't native, have you seen the ancient Greek language in the video?. How about you don't tell a group of people to stop talking? Everyone's got free will, cry elsewhere, bud.

@stateofconstatinopole8316

3 жыл бұрын

@@kasadam85 lol it dosent show Greek becuase Greek is also part of Europe all the people of the area are related we are from the same indo european family group turks are from finno urgic or Turkic something I don't remember and Greek and most of the languages of anatolia have many similarities to each other they are like polish and Russian to each other

@kasadam85

3 жыл бұрын

@@stateofconstatinopole8316 Polish and Russian are completely two different languages, similarities don't make them sibling languages :D

as for the languages we've actually had the opportunity to record there seems to be no other region like Anatolia in terms of changing languages from completely different groups throughout history

@najibullahghafori3739

Жыл бұрын

yes and that has to be because they weren't able to protect themselves and make their own rule and kingdom, thus losing their identity and language all the time

Damn, this was an very large voyage

Άλλη μία πολύ καλή δουλειά σου!

@CostasMelas

3 жыл бұрын

Ευχαριστώ πολύ

seeing a language family dying is sad ...

@emperortheodorosvi1857

3 жыл бұрын

seeing photos of my grandparents starved to death by turks is even sadder but this is who you are

@kasadam85

3 жыл бұрын

@@emperortheodorosvi1857 He isn't even a Turk, he's Arab. Jesus Christ, you are one dangerous kind of nationalist.

@emperortheodorosvi1857

3 жыл бұрын

@@kasadam85 i dont care what he is turetard what matters is thats turkey killed 400k greeks in 1919-1921 still refuses it.you are nationalist

That Bronze Age Civilisation collapse really hit hard.

good video. I thought you would come to this day

Anatolian languages used to be spoken in Greece? where is your source for that. interesting.

@CostasMelas

Жыл бұрын

This theory based on toponyms with suffic -nthos and -ssos with anatolian origin, but frequent in Bronze age Greece

@RichardEdwards40

Жыл бұрын

@@CostasMelas very interesting. that should prove that the Anatolian languages came from the Balkans.

@RichardEdwards40

Жыл бұрын

​@@CostasMelas Anatolian languages could have even been spoken in the island of Crete? i thought it was only Minoans. very interesting

@kotsaris87

10 ай бұрын

@@RichardEdwards40 the minoan language is likely anatolian

We are Anatolian, every Turks doesnt know who is real Turk. Turkey Turks are have Turkish culture but their descent are Anatolian, Greek, Armenian, Assyrian, Georgian etc. Who was feel the Turk, he/she Turk. It's Ataturk was said that.

@papazataklaattiranimam

Жыл бұрын

Kimse böyle bir şey demiyor sen hariç awq

@metehanakar0

Жыл бұрын

@@papazataklaattiranimam tekrar oku doesnt'ı kaçırmışsın.

@Yusuf-ig5tv

Жыл бұрын

Soyumuz sadece Anadolu halklarından geliyor,Yunanlılar,Ermeniler,Süryaniler, Gürcülerle alakamız yok.

@metehanakar0

Жыл бұрын

@@Yusuf-ig5tv Anadolu haklarından bazıları İyonyalılar, Makedonlar, Urartulular, Frigler Yunan ve Ermeni asıllı Anadolu devletleri, Gürcüler ise daha çok onlar bizden etkilenmiş, o yüzden onları da saydım.

@Yusuf-ig5tv

Жыл бұрын

@@metehanakar0 Urartular Hint Avrupalı değil yani Yunan ve Ermeni asıllı da değil,Frigyalılar Trak kabilesindendi,Makedonlar Anadolu'da yöneticiydi halkları yerer kabilelerdi. Sadece Iyonyalılar Anadolu Yunan kabilesi sayilır başka da yok.

What was Luwic and how did it spread to Greece?

@zibidigonzales_1

2 жыл бұрын

they are not Anatolian Turks are Anatolian

@wankawanka3053

Жыл бұрын

@@zibidigonzales_1 turks are asians

@zibidigonzales_1

Жыл бұрын

@@wankawanka3053 My brother, the real homeland of the Turks is the region from the Caucasus to Anatolia. They say they are Central Asian to make the Turks look like invaders, this is wrong. Supposedly we stole someone's homeland

Do you support the Anatolian hypothesis? Because the most accepted origin of the Indo-European languages is that they are from the Puntic steppe and southern Russia. So would Proto-Anatolian be in Anatolia in 3400 BC in the Southern Russia hypothesis?

@CostasMelas

3 жыл бұрын

I started from the period when the language was already introduced in Anatolia

A very sad history about a language, it will be very sad if in the future this same thing will happen again with other languages and language families

@thadsul

3 жыл бұрын

It will and is happening right now. Just look at the languages native to the Americas

@stevenfallinge7149

3 жыл бұрын

@@thadsul At least any language that stops being spoken now will usually be recorded and have a dictionary and therefore have a chance at revival. Back then making books was a very intensive and manual process, so almost nothing was recorded.

@h2eroskoryosaryakaraaryani777

3 жыл бұрын

@@thadsul Globalization is the greatest threat to cultural preservation. My self being born to two different group of Iranian people living in another Iranian language speaking Area unable to speak any of my nativelang make those language 1step closer to death.

@i_likemen5614

Жыл бұрын

It happened/is happening with all the native American and North Asian languages

@i_likemen5614

Жыл бұрын

@@stevenfallinge7149 All that information would probably just get lost to time

Man, I feel bad for all these languages.

i might be hormonal but this made me want to cry

So amazing while so sad.

Damn the Anatolian languages made it all the way from 3500 BC to the rise of Islam.

WE HAVE BEEN BLESSED! Indo european is almost complete!, also; how sad, I wish a descendant of Lydian or Hittite was still alive or common even in Anatolia today...

@CostasMelas

3 жыл бұрын

I think it remains Illyrian, Thracian and Tocharian

@blackphoenix3220

3 жыл бұрын

The people who live there now are essentially their descendants! Culture and language changes, people don't.

@pas1994ok

3 жыл бұрын

@@CostasMelas You have done Baltic languages before?

@h2eroskoryosaryakaraaryani777

3 жыл бұрын

@@pas1994ok yeah

@redokstepkimesi6187

3 жыл бұрын

@Nadir Hikmet Kuleli Ypu can be decendants of Anatolians, but you're also decendants of Turkomans. I agree on the second statement though.

What where are the other years

Maybe one day we'll find some stone tablets with the Anatolian languages on them, right next to the ones of African Romance

me when "tehy say anatolian languages r gon" "no" :(