If it were in Dubai, they would have made it a mall to make everybody happy😄

@suleimanthemagnificent772

3 жыл бұрын

True lol

@noahnoah2747

2 жыл бұрын

lmfao

@jojyjohn7496

2 жыл бұрын

No they would have made it a Israel culture centre nowadays

@Claxiux

2 жыл бұрын

@@jojyjohn7496 true true

@jungleking9703

2 жыл бұрын

That would be even worse.

Maybe we can solve the problem by making it a synagogue. (ducks and runs)

@ahmedmuawia2447

3 жыл бұрын

(Grabs a shoe and throw it at light speed)

@saimaalam8804

3 жыл бұрын

Loved you usefulcharts..... until......

@AlMuqaddimahYT

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, it'll start WWIII. Don't give 2020 any ideas!

@ahmadalmansur8836

3 жыл бұрын

erick meyer yeah

@bilalbaig8586

3 жыл бұрын

(opens fire) Just kidding or am I..... (blows up suicide vest)

Personally, I dont care what they do with it, as long as they protect it for mankind. I would love to visit when things settle down a bit

@Venti_the_bard

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you😆

@VukovicDarko

3 жыл бұрын

Wish this so called channel had this kind of opinion

@shafeulansari

3 жыл бұрын

Well difference is, now you can go visit it for free 😀

@ahmetkayrayavuz9527

3 жыл бұрын

Better for you now lts free

@shreyanodoyto5975

2 жыл бұрын

Well now you get plaster on everything pre ottoman

Everytime I want to learn about Islam I'm always taken to a Muslim KZreadr who is bias and sugar coats everything. This channel is defiantly the best because it's seems like I'm taking a real history class in Islam not an indoctrination. Plus this channel is the most unbiased yet that pertains to Islam learning. Love this channel and love learning about Islam.

@abdullahahmed7781

3 жыл бұрын

Those who are brainwashed by cults, call their cult leaders objective, sane and right. In reality their is no such thing as objectivity and unbiased arguments. You listen to what you want to hear and mute out what you dont. EVERYONE is biased and has an MO. The most important thing is how clear people are about their motives. This channel uses objectivity to mask the fact that it mearly regurgitates 400 years of Western propaganda. No more, no less. Welcome to your echo chamber mate

@abdulbari4566

2 жыл бұрын

@@abdullahahmed7781 A rhetorical question. Is your comment unbiased? Or is it another example of how brainwashed people think of their own version of history as the right one and everything else "western propaganda"?

@abdullahahmed7781

2 жыл бұрын

@@abdulbari4566 unbiased? No! If you had taken the liberty to use your remaining brain cells you wouldn't have made this retarded counter point. Obviously I (like all people) have an objective/agenda in every debate. I mean that's what debates are .... What my boils my blood however is when people claim to be morally superior because they think they are on the side of the angels. The main argument they put forward is that their positions and viewpoints are based of objectivity, fairness reality and facts. While the reality is that they also cherrypick the parts of the history that fit their narrative. You're obviously not the sharpest tool in the shed are ya 😉

@abdulbari4566

2 жыл бұрын

@@abdullahahmed7781, You do realize that no one's talking about being morally superior here, right? When you say this channel's spitting out western propaganda, I'm assuming that either you know enough to filter out the "propaganda" bits from this (and thus, having the right to call that), or you're making the claim that no one can be objectively accurate, EVER. If it's the latter one, it raises another interesting question. What DO you call someone when someone does present you the non-cherrypicked version?

@jhonshephard921

2 жыл бұрын

yep, its either extremist anti-Islam sentiment or extremist "Islamic" sentiment usually. This channel is balanced. Another good one is/was Admiral Price. Both are by liberal Muslims.

I just hope one day, I can still visit that building and marvel on it's wonders, then come back home

@peacetotheworld8502

3 жыл бұрын

You can enter if you perform wudu. kzread.info/dash/bejne/eGV127R7lc2qhs4.html

@bobdobric6787

3 жыл бұрын

We will be able to enter and we will be able too stand there and say our lords prayer they cant take that away from us. At the end of the day its a mosque in the physical God doesnt talk too us in the physical he speaks too us in spiritual communication so thats whats important. Its was blessed as a Church from the ground up when the foundations were put in all the converting will never change that. Spiritual blessings that were done first cannot be removed or painted over , Turkey would need too knock it down and rebuild and that wont happen . Chin up all will be good God is with us 😇👼🙏

@peacetotheworld8502

3 жыл бұрын

@@bobdobric6787 if you are right. Can we Muslims also Go and pray in all our mosks in spain greece and russia that are taken and made churches libarys pups and gails

@syedazam2568

3 жыл бұрын

@@bobdobric6787 It is under waqf (order) of Sultan Mehmed ll, so he does what he wishes.

Personally i agree with you, it should remain a museum, it contains far too important symbols of all ages to be converted in anything except a museum, even back to a church, its and important piece of history between east and west and it should symbolise unity instead of division.

@AliumMoAnn

3 жыл бұрын

but at the end of the day it's Turkey's decision, and I think that they should have the final say in it. Idk if the Turkish Government voted on this matter, but if they did and it was agreed by the people to convert it into a mosque, then there should be no problem in doing so. Both sides do make valid points, but i think I prefer the latter argument more.

@juniorjames7076

2 жыл бұрын

@@AliumMoAnn Exactly, I wish it were still a secular museum but it's Turkey autonomous right. What is really hilarious, though, is Greece, which does not a a single official mosque in there entire country, not even Athens (because they turned or destroyed every last one) now complaining about Turkey turning the Hagia Sophia. Istanbul still has several Christian churches with thriving sermons on Sundays. Greece is really really silly.

@jhonshephard921

2 жыл бұрын

@@juniorjames7076 are you sure about Athens not having mosques? I just looked it up and found 6. Probably low compared to other such historical cities but they are there. That said, I know actual Nazis are gaining strength in that country while Erdogan seems to be emulating Pakistan's most hated dictator and the father of the Taliban, Zia ul Haq. (I am Pakistani-American and HATE that guy and what he did to my country)

@monkeymoment6478

2 жыл бұрын

@@AliumMoAnn At the end of the day, it’s always going to be a biased argument. People like democracy and neutrality when it suits them and hate it when it doesn’t. Humans are hypocrites. I’m not a Muslim, and I’m not a Christian. If Greece or any other western nation wants it to remain a church or a museum, then they can try and take it from Turkey. Might doesn’t make right, but it decides reality.

@aftabahmad8658

2 жыл бұрын

@@AliumMoAnn if we see it through islamic lense then also its not appropriate decision because beloved Prophet (pbuh) himself is against the conversion of others religious places in to a mosque.

For me, you are a modern version of an islamic scolar of the golden age of islam. You seem to be a devoted muslim, but also able to see aspects from different perspectives and have the will to accumulate and share knowledge.

@jamieammar6131

3 жыл бұрын

Well he is. Then again people who used to see aspects from different perspectives were labeled Murtad (Ibn Sina, Al Farabi etc)..lol. You could see such morons in the comments too.

@ammaarahmad5747

2 жыл бұрын

He is not a scholar. Yes everything cannot be looked by single perspective only. You need to know the other side

@Kingofportals

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamieammar6131 It is truly unfortunate that so many can’t possibly imagine opposite sides to their own arguments these days, and the fact that Islam is best when the scholars are able to advance and look at everything from different angles! Islam was very powerful when the scholars ruled and accepted other cultures, also being very intellectual and able to advance even faster than their European and Chinese neighbors!

@user-wp7kg6qw1g

Жыл бұрын

“ Islamic scholar of golden age “ Do you realize who you comparing him? Al Khawrazmi - Father of Algebra Abu Ali ibn Sina - father of early modern medicine. These are products if Islamic golden age. Here is a guy making youtube video interpreting events under his accepted views of the world. Found a guy to compare 😅

As a muslim I believe it should be a church as that's what was 1st build. Give it back to the christian's as I think they hold Hagia sophia as a very sacred place. Its not like any other church.

@arielquelme

3 жыл бұрын

if u are a Muslim, then u should be happy there's more place to do Sujood in this earth

@AKY1LUV

3 жыл бұрын

@@arielquelme Our prophet Muhammed (pbuh) taught us to tolerate and respect all places of worship. He did not teach us to kill the people and destroy their places of worship. I'm against isis as they consider themselves to be righteous and all others to be wrong. Therefore they killed innocent muslims, christians and others too. If I had the strength I would have helped the oppressed kurdish christians against isis. Oppression is oppression, doesn't matter who's oppressing who.

@AKY1LUV

3 жыл бұрын

@@disciple60 It brings me great shame for what the Ottomon's did to your Holy Hagia Sophia. I wished it never had happened and I have alot of love and respect for the Orthodox Christians. My brothers in humanity. There is many of us muslims who are you allies.

@AKY1LUV

3 жыл бұрын

@Ummer Farooq Learn the history of Hagia Sophia and look at how the Prophet (pbuh) respected the christians of his time. If it was not for the Just Christian ruler of Abisiniya there was no refuge for the muslims during persecution. I have no time for ignorant people.

@jhonshephard921

2 жыл бұрын

@@disciple60 I didn't realize that. My original opinion was to keep it as a museum but in that case it should be given back to the Orthodox Church. Of course it would be political suicide for anyone who actually tries and anyone on the other side who tries to take it by force would bring right-wing nationalism on both Christian and Muslim sides so practically a secular Museum or a combined Museum + Mosque + Church + Interfaith Discussion Center would be best. Edit; forgot to mention I am a Muslim.

Not a Muslim but these videos are good. You seem unbiased which is good.

@valisali3259

3 жыл бұрын

without ur mention i d ve realised that u re not muslim from ur comment

@asjadazeez

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah if its anti Muslim its unbiased. Thats the nirm now

@hatasakuta8012

2 жыл бұрын

unbiased doesn't always mean to be truthful, but sometimes sh!tty

@abdulbari4566

2 жыл бұрын

@@asjadazeez Yeah preserving a historic monument for its historical value is anti-muslim according to you.

@ammaarahmad5747

2 жыл бұрын

@@abdulbari4566 No it's not anti-muslim. I too believe that it shouldn't be converted to mosque. But this property was brought by his own personal wealth by Ottomon ruler acroding to some documents. So if it was brought by Sultan then it should be a mosque

One of the main reasons for this change is for the people of Turkey to move their attention from the Great economic problems the country faces now.

@ahmetkayrayavuz9527

3 жыл бұрын

Its can be true for know but we want this since 1940s

@aytacdenizacar7703

3 жыл бұрын

@@ahmetkayrayavuz9527 i don't. speak for yourself. besides, nobody asked the people.

@ahmetkayrayavuz9527

3 жыл бұрын

@@aytacdenizacar7703 zaten müslümanı kast ettim kardeşim üzerine alınma

@ToroNero

3 жыл бұрын

@@ahmetkayrayavuz9527 Ben elhamdülillah müslümanım ama benim de umurumda değildi. Sanki İslamın 5 şartından biri "Aya Sofyayı Cami yapın"mış gibi davranılıyor. Yoo ekonomik sıkıntı çok daha önemli.

@aytacdenizacar7703

2 жыл бұрын

@The Imperishable Star He doesn't need to. He is the founder of the country, remember?

Really like the idea of making access more universal. Turkey is so rich in Human history though struggles and divisiveness tend to limit access to this or that location.

@ottovonjizzmark9864

3 жыл бұрын

@BLUE DOG Found the Greek

@huskee7684

2 жыл бұрын

You can now visit Hagia Sophia for free outside the collective prayer hours. Back then it was pretty expensive. Plus now people cannot enter this sacred place half naked which is great. Hagia Sophia for Turks a symbol of the ownership of Istanbul, it's a symbol of our authority over the land. Plus I don't get why Greeks are getting all angry, instead of it being a museum to adore the building and history only, isn't it better to have people worship God in it as that's closer to its original purpose

@brucesims3228

2 жыл бұрын

@@huskee7684 May Allah (swt) guide me as I say (imho) we are sorely in need of more places of spiritual and moral guidance. Certainly a museum environment would protect and exhibit All religious expressions and images but it would also keep decisions about the location in more secular hands. Only Allah knows if this is part of His designs.

@huskee7684

2 жыл бұрын

@@brucesims3228 everything that's left from the Christian Hagia Sophia is still there though

@huskee7684

2 жыл бұрын

@@brucesims3228 you can still go and see the Jesus and Mary mosaics and the angels etc.

The most sacred mosque is your heart. It turns but it is irreplaceable. Guard it decorate it enlighten it And fill it. It will be besieged But you must break the siege upon the bulwark No other mosque matters while this one remains under peril.

@ahmadalmansur8836

3 жыл бұрын

Mashallah akhi

@Alias7861

3 жыл бұрын

@Man Antom We can!! nonsense of all sorts should be stopped. Lead the way Inn Sha Allah.

@ahmadalmansur8836

3 жыл бұрын

alias inshallah

@syedazam2568

3 жыл бұрын

@Man Antom Once it did-Might well

So there's a pretty prevalent myth in these comment that I think should be adressed. There's alot of people stating in here that the Hagia Sophia was "purchased" by Mehmed, and that Erdogan displayed the proof of purchase during his announcement. This statement as far as we know is not true, or atleast has no evidence to support it: -Firstly, taking places of worship and converting them to mosques was the norm for the Ottomans. They did this all over the Balkans (Hagia Sophia in Thessaloniki/Trabzon and even the Parthenon in Athens being prominent examples). Mehmed breaking the norm by purchasing the Hagia Sophia when he didn't have to, would be very unusual. -The document presented by Erdogan only shows the establishment of a Waqf at Hagia Sophia, not a purchase. There is no historical, contemporary source confirming a purchase. -The owner of the Hagia Sophia at the time was the Patriarch. The Patriarch in 1453's very existence is debatable as he's only mentioned in one obscure source about a council meeting. So of course it goes without saying that we don't know if he ever even met Mehmed, considering we barely even know if he existed. -The next Patriarch was elected in 1454, by which point Hagia Sophia was already a mosque. -All primary sources of the conversion don't mention anything about a purchase, they just have Mehmed convert it on his own (which again, is not unusual). -The Hagia Sophia had already been plundered by Mehmed's troops for 3 days (as per custom at the time) and the people in the church were enslaved/killed. When Mehmed entered the building after the 3 days, there wouldn't be anyone left to negotiate with anyway.

@grantwoolliams71

3 жыл бұрын

Next time I go to buy bread I am going to siege the bakery, loot for days, kill the baker and his team and then negotiate a fair price with my 80,000 armed men . I bet i buy pretty cheap to be honest

@MCXM111

3 жыл бұрын

Who cares? Its a Mosque, live with it. Erdogan did a great thing! 💪💪

@grantwoolliams71

3 жыл бұрын

@trueway82 what is right and wrong has changed? Does it flip every few years or just when it's convenient? I don't think so my friend My point here though is that it should be beyond obvious to even a school child that this church was not "bought" Even if I criticise the ottomans i know they are not the only ones who have had bad empires or who have been aggressive with their neighbours Anyway thanks for the response you take care

@garabic8688

3 жыл бұрын

@md ziden dude he is just pointing out a conspiracy theory that is false.

@marvelfannumber1

3 жыл бұрын

@@garabic8688 Well, to be fair, it's not a conspiracy theory. It's just plain old bad history. But what else would you expect from history given by a socially conservative political party? They're even trying to claim Ataturk's signature on the document making the Hagia Sophia into a museum is forged now...of course none of what they say is true.

I first thought that this was an Islamic channel but now I see all the analysis are secular

@kwisatzhaderach472

3 жыл бұрын

Why? Explain please.

@arielquelme

3 жыл бұрын

me either. ive been deceived by the channel's name

@mohammedfaizan9922

3 жыл бұрын

He has literally said that he will be telling the stories from a secular point of view.

@valisali3259

3 жыл бұрын

for sure

@apvtethic8818

3 жыл бұрын

@Chu Mu you can be both progressivist and religious person though

I agree with you, Hagia Sophia has Christian history before it was a Mosque and thus should be represented not as just another Mosque out of many in Constantinople (Istanbul) but instead should remain a museum that shows the amazing history the building has within it’s walls and the cultures that thrived within it, don’t worry, there is no shortage of Mosques in Istanbul that you can pray in other than Hagia Sophia, this is why I agree that it should not be a Mosque anymore but should remain a museum to honor both it’s Christian and Muslim heritage, not favoring one over another!

I am Muslim, and I have just been to Ayasofia. I was so wunderful to pray in that Mosque, you can not believe. Last time I was there is was a museum and one should pay to come in, this time is was free. The amount of visitors has increased, I think. All the switch represents the actual political situation. Now is it best for this building to be a mosque. There are so many museums around the world and in Turkey you can visit. And you can also enjoy the spiritual atmosphere, the carpets. A lot of non Muslims were sitting for hours on the carpet.

@menman2513

11 ай бұрын

yea don't cry one day if jews destroy temple mount and make there old temple there

@menman2513

11 ай бұрын

how can allah accept prayer from a religious place wich was from others faith how ... how would u like if Christians pray in kabba to Jesus

You and Hikma, exchanging opinions, ideas, and rationales: you both are true history lovers.

Im an Iraqi Arab. I don't like it becoming a mosque Neither I like it ruturning to a church I just love this building and I want to become a museum.

@hasmanking

3 жыл бұрын

love to see my people in the comments

@sintrofos2790

3 жыл бұрын

As a Greek Christian I totally agree

@mikeoxsmal8022

3 жыл бұрын

Do you know what they should do copy the hagia sophia twice one of these copies could be a moswue and the other a church

@johnpearson4218

3 жыл бұрын

I also want to become a museum. I think I would mak a great museum.

@zakback9937

3 жыл бұрын

I am a Muslim of Algerian Amazigh and Polish origin. I don't mind it becoming a Mosque again, it was a house of worship to God and it can be for God wills what he wants. I have been there when it was a museum and it is a marvel. Tourists would still come there but they would not have to pay for it which gives them free entrance when it's not during prayer time like the other Mosques in Istanbul.

Fun Fact: Iqbal, the national poet of Pakistan, visited and prayed in the mosque of Cordoba.

@prateeksharma6706

Жыл бұрын

Saree jahan se achha hindusta hamara hamara 🎶

excellent video, history and lastly opinion, on the matter, I had a feeling I will find nothing to disagree with and as a fellow muslim I also think it should be kept as a museum. history should not be desecrated

@bilalbaig8586

3 жыл бұрын

I think a lot of Muslims will agree with you because this is a blatantly haraam act.

@bilalbaig8586

3 жыл бұрын

@Sniper Places of worship of non-Muslims must be protected if they pay jizya. Were they even given a chance to pay? No, the court unilaterally declared it the property of Mehmet Fateh because he 'bought' the cathedral after his conquest of the city. The Hagia Sophia is priceless for Christians. Would we Muslims sell the Kaaba? Absolutely not. In fact any person suggesting that would stoned in the streets and rightly so. I am not a Western secular puppet but if you do things non-Muslims do to Muslims back to them then what is the difference between then and us. Their hearts will harden against Islam and we lose any chance of Dawah. Just for some stupid cathedral.

@Puntlandpress

3 жыл бұрын

@@bilalbaig8586 The ruling differs depending on how the territory was taken. If for example the city was surrendered without a fight and a treaty was signed then yes the property of the non Muslims are protected under Islamic law. However, if the Muslims outright conquer a city everything in that city including places of worship belongs to the conquering ruler and can turn it to a mosque if he saw it fit....btw that was basically the general rule during those times for every conquerer Muslim or not.

@Abul_kutub

3 жыл бұрын

@@bilalbaig8586 they are protected whos destroying them

@syedazam2568

3 жыл бұрын

In the hadith and Quran, when a person conquers a land and establishes a waqf, nobody can reverse it. It is his order by divine right.

I... Very much agree with you on all points! Also I didn't knew the mosque of Cordoba was still in use as a church when I visited it in 2016... It should just be made a museum, that building is just sooooo much more than just a church.

@manirea

3 жыл бұрын

Tell that to the Bishop of Córdoba...

@silveryuno

3 жыл бұрын

@@manirea I am not spanish so... Even if I said that it would not matter. Hikma History is right in saying that the Turks are the ones that need to decide if they what this for the Hagia Sophia or not...

@zakback9937

3 жыл бұрын

@@silveryuno if the Spanish want it to be remain a Cathedral, let them since they have the power and authority, same with the Turks and Hagia Sophia. If the Muslims of North Africa manage to come back and rule over Iberia then that'll be interesting on how the Mezquita should be since the land was bought off to the Muslims under Abd ar Rahman 1st, but I don't know for the Castilians, maybe they can argue it as a spoils of war.

@silveryuno

3 жыл бұрын

@@zakback9937 That's how it is now, yes....

@JC19676

3 жыл бұрын

@@zakback9937 it was a church originally. Under the order of protection of Churches by Muhammed a church could not be changed. So that mosque replaced a church!

I appreciate both of your views on Hagia Sophia. Off to watch Hikma History's video now and get more of his view.

Very true mate he’s using it as a political distraction

As a muslim, it should be turned into a mosque, a church and a museum the same time. The place is large enough to be divided into divisions of place of prayers and sermons. Furthermore, muslims only pray 5 times a day. They won't stay in the mosque for 24 hours. I actually also had the same opinion but it's too bad too many radical muslims are blinded by the whole mosque conversion thing and never consider the fact that the conversion was to garner votes.

@basedhistory8948

2 жыл бұрын

My opinion on all this stuff as a Christian is that Spain should apologize for the Reconquista and some Muslim authority should apologize for the original conquista same for the crusades and all that stuff ✝️☦️☪️

@abuchadibnbased9628

2 жыл бұрын

@@basedhistory8948 surely all of them (christians and muslims)are religiously blind So apology is never an option

@marty0346

2 жыл бұрын

@@basedhistory8948 The difference is that in Spain before the Islamic invasion, Spain was already Christian. And the Christians had taken back what was already theirs. And the mosque of cordoba (current church) had been built over the site of an old Visigothic Christian church, and that was used by both Christians and muslim. But the Emir Abd al-Raḥmān had the brilliant idea of destroying the Christian church To build a mosque over it. Hagia Sophia will never really be a mosque, it will forever remain an Orthodox Christian church. Hagia sophia has been a Christian church for almost 1000 years. And hell, Hagia sophia is even older than Islam. It all started with the Muslims who invaded Spain, which was Christian. So you can figure out who has to start apologizing.

@trevinowens70

10 ай бұрын

You can literally see Seraphim on the walls. Muslim don’t know anything about those angels

Hagia Sophia is now free to enter before you had to buy expensive tickets to go inside.

@peacetotheworld8502

3 жыл бұрын

if you are right. Can we Muslims also Go and pray in all our mosks in spain greece and russia that are taken and made churches libarys pups and Gails

@kwisatzhaderach472

3 жыл бұрын

@@peacetotheworld8502 what other people do is not our standard of behaviour. What the Prophet a.s did, that is our standard of behaviour. If he stole churches and made them into mosques than yeah, it should be a mosque. Did he?

@peacetotheworld8502

3 жыл бұрын

@@kwisatzhaderach472 i know that. I just want to hear what they say. I am on the same side with you, i just asked a person. Is it posible that we to can do the same from the kristen side

@philip2009

3 жыл бұрын

@@peacetotheworld8502 yes you can. As a greek, i can safely say that most, if not all of the historic mosques, are some sort of meseums. Unlike Turkey that converted all the historical churches into mosques. (not to mention the abandoned and destroyed armenian churches in the east). Im not trying to be mean here, but the situation is as is..

@kwisatzhaderach472

3 жыл бұрын

@Mr Fr evidence of that?

Great video! As a Westerner who lived in Turkey for a few years and visited Hagia Sophia, I am very conflicted on this matter. I believe Erdogan is doing this as a political ploy to strengthen his base. I want to see Hagia Sophia remain a museum, just as Ataturk wanted. But, if this is what the Turkish government voted for, there's nothing we can do. It makes me so sad.

@mirzasvijet8432

2 жыл бұрын

Keep crying.

You deserve so many more views than you currently have. Your videos are top notch. Do you have an issue with SEO I wonder? I know whenever I want to watch your videos it always takes me a few minutes to find because of the difficulty for me in remembering how to properly spell your KZread name. Anyways I'm a big fan and hope to see your channel grow!

The issue with the Cordoba building, is that it was a church initially, so turning it back into a church isn't the same.

@mirzasvijet8432

2 жыл бұрын

That’s not even confirmed historically. That idea comes from Catholic scholars from Asturias hundreds of years later. The Masjid of Córdoba was built over the course of a few centuries. It expanded much over that time. It was not a church before that. It was built by Muslims.

@jdlc903

2 жыл бұрын

@@mirzasvijet8432 it is confirmed historical, it was a Visigothic Church

@mirzasvijet8432

2 жыл бұрын

@@jdlc903 It is not confirmed. There’s just Christian legends from centuries later about it.

@ThePSaco

Жыл бұрын

@@mirzasvijet8432 Whatever the case, if Spaniards are aholes that doesn't mean Turks can't be better...

@slimebeingslimey8266

2 ай бұрын

Without lies islam dies ​@@mirzasvijet8432

Hm. The historic areas of Istanbul, including the Hagia Sophia, are inscribed on UNESCO's World Heritage List. Places on the list receive both tangible and intangible benefits from inclusion, and states have to apply for consideration for inclusion. Turkey chose to pursue this status, to explicitly and deliberately invite international opinion on the site. None of this precludes a site being used for religious purposes, but it does identify the importance of the full cultural character and history of the location in question as being of international interest and import, again with a variety of benefits. I think that this significantly weakens any argument that international upset is an attack on the sovereignty of Turkey, particularly given that Turkey is a founding UN member state and an otherwise enthusiastic participant in UNESCO's mission.

@the11382

3 жыл бұрын

Is the Hagia Sophia being used by both an option?

@aposiopetic

3 жыл бұрын

It wouldn't conflict with the heritage site status, so it seems like a reasonable solution, but it's one that leaves a lot of people unhappy (and notably leaves Turkey complaining about sovereignty, rightly or wrongly).

@aposiopetic

3 жыл бұрын

(I like the make it a museum solution, personally, but it's really complicated, for sure.)

I couldn't agree more on your last comment on the future of the Haglia Sophia. Any archealogical, or historical structure of any significance shouldn't be treated as a national, contemporary treasure, but a treasure for whole humanity to be preserved through time. I would even go so far that some structures shouldn't be visited by tourists, if that could put the structure in danger due to wear and tear.

Im suprised,although i share your views on this matter,very few people share others opinions conflicting their views,you have a great noble character,you are very wise my friend,subscribed.

People need to chill. Just because its a mosque doesnt mean people cant visit and now there is no fee. There are many historic mosques that people visit. I also dont understand the contention that this is political. So what? Was Ataturk turning the Mosque into a Museum not political?

Just wanted to say that your Channel is awesome. I discovered it now and watched a few recently. Your Graphics and Explaining are really good. And after watching your Hagia Sophia video i was surprised to hear your opinion about the conversion of it. It is pleasant to hear a fellow fan of History from another Muslim country to have a more secular opinion on this topic. Normally people who do have such an opinion don't care at all about history of the MENA (not even Ottoman history). Now I will watch more of your videos 😉

Epic Crossover can't wait to see the comments

Can you make a video about the ifranj invasions or crusades from the 1st to when there's no more crusaders presence in the Levant? Thanks!

Cool video. Food for thought.

Imagine if Israel turned the Dome of the Rock and Al-Aqsa Mosque into the 3rd Temple?

@iberionbaratheon7927

3 жыл бұрын

And using the old kingdom of israel as an excuse, and mentioning how theyre trying to preserve their heritage against "western" and islamic influence, WE WILL NOT BE SHY TO BE JEWISH! As a muslim it makes me annoyed to see muslims justify this but knowing 100% theyd be against something like this if it was jewish or christian on a mosque. My team is ok, your team can go fuck itself mentality.

@realorbust

3 жыл бұрын

@@iberionbaratheon7927 It's not just Muslims. Everybody has someone like Erdogan. He doesn't care about Islam, he's just distracting

I don't care if people pray in it or not. As long as it remains preserved and open to the public, people should use it how they want. There are museums in the US that also function as churches on Sunday, and it works perfectly fine. I hope the Turkish government is capable of the same thing...but I have my doubts. Erdogan's word is not worth very much.

@stevenv6463

2 жыл бұрын

Visitors go in and there is no entrance fee. It operates as a mosque but there are tons of visitors. I think it's good but it would be better if there were Christian services there too.

your channel is amazing

Love your videos please provide subtitles

do people know that the "mosque" of cordoba was built on top of a visigothic church?! comparisons between that and hagia sophia are just stupid

@alangervasis

2 жыл бұрын

True ....muslims conviniently forget that.

@MuhammadIbraheemAsif

2 жыл бұрын

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For the sake of symbolism of peace between faiths, it should have remained a museum. Instead Erdogan chose to play petty politics and gain cheap popularity among his base at the expense of Muslim/Christian goodwill

@fredklier

3 жыл бұрын

It's Even worst the muslin all over the world will pay the price for that. Here in Brazil, people don't know the difference between Sufi and Sunni and they didn't take lightly the news my Sufi friends are unease about it.

@jayasuryangoral-maanyan3901

3 жыл бұрын

@@fredklier wait a sec, sufiism isn't an independent branch, you could be a sufi and sunni at the same time

@GabrielSoares-ju9yq

3 жыл бұрын

@@fredklier im from brazil as well and i have not heard from a single person about this...

@dilkhozaimarwat3479

3 жыл бұрын

hope u people think the same about the Mosque of Cordoba and mosques converted to churches and bars by christians

@jayasuryangoral-maanyan3901

3 жыл бұрын

@@dilkhozaimarwat3479 From what I can find, one not particularly prominent mosque was turned into a bar in a non-christian country In britain it is normal for historic churches to be turned into mosques so yeah I really don't see the issue with small holy sites being changed edit: the mosque-cathedral of cordoba had originally been a church, so by your own logic that'd be ok to convert all holy sites since you're making it an example.

I was at Hagia Sophia just last year. I hid my rosary in my pocket (Coptic Orthodox Christian) to be respectful and this Muslim made me put it back on and said "all people are welcome here" I'll never forget this

I think the Hagia Sophia should either be a museum or a "shared custody" religious site (e.g. a Mosque on Fridays and Muslim Holy Days, a Church on Sundays and Orthodox Holy Days). By turning it into a mosque, Erdogan undermines the secularism of Turkey by telling Christains in Turkey and in surrounding countries "You're not welcome here!", not to mention opening old wounds in the region. As for the argument from "national sovereignty", there is nothing in that idea about a country's internal decisions being protected from criticism. Just like how an individual's freedom of speech is not infringed upon by another individual's disagreement or criticism, a nation's sovereignty is not infringed upon by international outcry.

I climbed it in Asssasin’s Creed.

I have another grudge beside yours, the Blue Mosque, which is in the walking distance from Hagia Sophia, isn't even full when the time of prayer comes, why should there be another big mosque in the area? Also, turning it into a mosque in the first place by Mehmed was a mistake, we are not supposed to turn other religious temples to mosques unless it's no longer being used by its faith practitioners which it was at the time of Mehmed.

@uvejspreza9879

3 жыл бұрын

Sultan Mehmed bought it with his wealth from the orthodox clerics and then made it a waqf for all muslims to use. In the end he cursed whoever changed its status. This recent decision just brought his will back in place after a +80 years injustice

@ramahozo

3 жыл бұрын

@@uvejspreza9879 I won't even try to dispute whether it's even true or not, but let's say it's true, can you even think the situation why they sold it to him? The Konstantiniyye was in ruins, the Orthodox Church was in disarray, they really don't have much choice in the state of their church, why do you think the purchase is valid in this situation? I'd reckon they wouldn't even try to sell it if their situation was not collapsed like that... Compare this to the condition of Palestinian lands, do you know that the Israeli buy the lands one by one? So are these purchased lands validly owned by Israeli now? Can you really blame the Palestinians who sold their land, especially for cheap, considering their situation? If we retake Palestine, should we dispute these considering they did buy the lands? You can see that it's not that simple.... About Palestinians' lands, you can check Vox's story here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/kYig0M1pgq-bhrA.html

@marvelfannumber1

3 жыл бұрын

@@uvejspreza9879 Mehmed did make it into a Waqf, but he did not buy it. There is not evidence for this claim at all, and we have no record of any kind of "purchase from Mehmed". He just seized the Church and made it into a mosque on his own, as was customary for the Ottomans when they conquered major cities, this is not out of the ordinary.

@Flex2212

3 жыл бұрын

@@ramahozo I appreciate how you can stay so composed and take the time to phrase your arguments like this to blini laci. Kudos!

@JC19676

3 жыл бұрын

@@uvejspreza9879 He never bought it. That is untrue. He walked into Haghia Sophia and declared it a mosque immediately. According to the Quran and Muhammed's order of protection of churches a church cannot be converted.

That building has changed functions so many times it makes my head spin.

My idea: Build a Church and a Mosque (both similar in size and architectuure) exactly near Hagia Sophia, and turn Hagia Sophia into a Library of theological texts as well a museum.

The idea of important Turkish Muslim officials bowing down in submission and praying in front of icons of Christ and His saints, even if the icons are covered, brings me joy.

@ALLHEART_

3 жыл бұрын

@Mark Book It should mean something to you, especially considering how easy it is to commit shirk in Islam. It certainly meant something to your prophet. As for not making images of God, you clearly don't understand the Bible or Christianity well enough for your argument to have any weight. In that passage, God is responding to a common ancient near-eastern belief that you can make statues of the gods that the gods will come down and dwell in and that the gods require to be enbodied. This practice makes no sense in the Christian worldview, as no image we could make could adequately represent God in all His greatness. However, with the advent of Christ, this is no longer the case, because God has made Himself known to us in visible and representable form, and thus it is appropriate, no, even essential, to depict Him, so as to show our affirmation of His Incarnation and other theological truths. Even in the Old Testament, Moses' Tabernacle and Solomon's temple where full of images of angels and such, so the Islamic view of all images being bad is completely inconsistent with Moses and Solomon. You blindly throwing out half-quotes you think you once heard are contained in the Bible just further demonstrates how ignorant and unnuanced Islamic apologetics are, as if we needed any more proof of that. Truly, it is Islamic apologetics that are moronic. السلام عليكم. المجد للأب والابن والروح القدس ، وعلى الأرض يكون هناك سلام وحسن نية للبشرية.

@ALLHEART_

3 жыл бұрын

@Mark Book And no, Jesus didn't pray like Muslims do at all in the Bible. When He prayed He called God "Father", which you can't do in Islam. He mostly prayed standing up, too. You could likely find something in each one of Jesus' prayers to refute Islam.

@JC19676

3 жыл бұрын

@Mark Book he is not mentioned in the Christian Bible at all. Unless if there was a warning about someone( which is negative). Christ is mentioned negatively in The Talmud in a horrible way.

@JC19676

3 жыл бұрын

@Mark Book Muhammed's order of protection of churches and Christians is the very opposite of what you are talking about . He was very friendly with Christians. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashtiname_of_Muhammad

@ahmadshamil5606

3 жыл бұрын

@@ALLHEART_ RIP Jesus , even Ezekiel got resurrected

Al Muqaddimah, this is a question that has bothered me for a while but one that I have not had the opportunity to pose to an Ottoman history expert: Is the name _Ayasofya_ (Hagia Sophia) not an inappropriate name for a mosque, necessitating another official name, even if it is in disuse? I have to wonder if the building ever had an officially Islamic name after 1453. Of course, the grandeur and history of the Hagia Sophia might have encouraged even locals to drop the official Islamic name in place of its more well-known Christian name. Or as an allusion to the Ayasofya's physical, commercial, and social footprint in the city. To me, keeping the name Ayasofya for a mosque is akin to naming a mosque after St. George or St. Paul. Popular reference to a mosque by that name in a neighbourhood or municipality, such as Bury St. Edmunds or Christchurch, with such a Christian-derived name is acceptable but the mosque itself must surely have its own name. Especially within an Islamic state, like the Ottoman Empire. The Arabic name Safi(ye) has a completely different etymology, by the way. And although the words 'Holy Wisdom' do not obviously violate Islamic any principles, I think it is fair to question whether adopting this name of a concept of Christianity for a mosque raised the ire of at least some Islamic clergy and jurists in the Ottoman era. But with how much influence European and Western scholarship inevitably has on Turkish-Islamic historiography, are these possibly obscure and minority legal opinions lost to time?

@PuntinoNero

3 жыл бұрын

The church is named after the wisdom of God. What's the problem with that for muslims? It's not the wisdom of Christ.

@jordanianchristian8387

3 жыл бұрын

PuntinoNero it is. Hagia Sophia means “holy wisdom.” This means the wisdom of Jesus as god.

@YusufNasihi

3 жыл бұрын

@@jordanianchristian8387 Exactly, it would not be inappropriate to say that "Hagia Sophia" is a specifically Christian term, with its own exegesis and interpretation, just as "Tawhid" is not used for other monotheistic religions. With this in mind, the term Al-Hakim, one of the 99 names of Allah, could be a good choice for a direct translation, linguistically and theologically, for Hagia Sophia.

@_robustus_

3 жыл бұрын

Jesus was a prophet according to the Quran. In general I think more christians fear Islam than muslims fear Christianity.

@booktendersclub1110

3 жыл бұрын

@@YusufNasihi I don't see nothing wrong with the name Ayasofya. We have mosques named after Jesus and his mother Mary. It's not like Ayasofya means Trinity.

Tariq is absolutely correct that the decision to turn Hagia Sophia into a mosque is ultimately a sovereign one. However, I can definitely resonate with the arguements you've presented in this video, especially with regard to the why of the situation. The building has a rich heritage that belongs to everyone, and as the sovereign of this building, it is Turkey's responsibility to preserve this. Furthermore, you are an intellectual. And we all know how much governments hate intellectuals, right? The move is mere political opportunism and you can see right through it. "Those who cannot deliver in the present glorify the past." -Syawish Rehman

Wow, you are so right... Thank you

As an Orthodox Greek, I know it is hard to see our church turned back into mosque. It does seem politically motivated. As a lover of history. I hate to see antiquities not shown respect they deserve. When the Palmyran ruins we’re destroyed by Isis that was a great loss to all humanity. I kind of wish we kicked everyone out of that region of the world for like 50 years. Learn everything about our past then let them move back in.

@ic.xc.

2 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately there are a lot of former churches, monasteries and cathedrals besides the Hagia Sophia in Turkey that are abandoned, turned to mosques.

@belasstrongestwarrior

2 жыл бұрын

The destruction of a Polytheist Icon is always a gain for mankind. Don't be swayed by "oh it's art we should preserve it" bs

@Jonnybravo589

2 жыл бұрын

@@belasstrongestwarrior so you would take down the pyramids too. This was a dumb comment. Human history is more important than your dumb religion

@belasstrongestwarrior

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jonnybravo589 Yes I would

@Jonnybravo589

2 жыл бұрын

@@ym6667your views are sad. You only care about religion and there’s more to existence than that. You’re closed mindedness is a curse. You should celebrate your heritage and what ancestor accomplished. You’re dogmatic believes have left you half blind and I feel bad for you. You’re descendants are doomed to live like paupers cause the rest of us are going from pyramids to the stars. You’ll be stuck in the sand

Things that should be noted: 1.) The Church of the Holy Apostles was not vacated without hostilities. 2.) Virtually all of the ancient Churches in Constantinople and beyond were eventually converted into mosques. This video makes it sound like only the Hagia Sophia was converted. Additionally, other secular Byzantine buildings have been (improperly) restored recently and converted to house museums devoted to Turkish history. This is obviously provocative. Erdogan has also taken issue with archeological research, as it obviously focuses mostly on the Roman and Greek past. Turkish culture simply wasn't part of this region until the late Middle Ages. 3.) Sinan was himself from a Christian background. He was taken from his family as part the devshirme tribute program. He was technically the Sultan's slave, was forced to convert to Islam, and was likely castrated. Janissaries were also forbidden to marry. 4.) Many Christians were FORCED to work on Mosque construction. Miguel Cervantes - author of Don Quixote - was captured by Muslim pirates and forced into slavery. He ended up doing manual labor to build the Kılıç Ali Pasha Complex. 5.) Unfortunately, Islam doesn't seem to put as much emphasis on preserving its own history. Numerous early mosques in Mecca and Medina have been demolished by Islamic hardliners who feel that historical reverence is too close to idolatry. 6.) The Hagia Sophia has religious significance for Muslims solely as a symbol of Muslim dominance and supremacy. They are proud that they took it from Christians. 7.) Turkey HAS taken issue with how other countries treat Ottoman monuments. Turkey was very vocal about the destruction of an Ottoman fortress in Mecca for a new skyscraper. They were also vocal about the destruction of the Ottoman portions of the Grand Mosque during the recent expansion.

Honestly the only difference for a non Muslim visitor is that now you don't have to pay 200 liras to visit and the bathroom is open for free. And you have to go around prayer times but big whoop, it's free now. I think it's great. If they added Christian services on Sunday I think it would make everyone happy and be more loyal to the history of the building.

@AlMuqaddimahYT

2 жыл бұрын

How're they covering the mosaics from the Byzantines at prayer time?

@stevenv6463

2 жыл бұрын

@@AlMuqaddimahYT I'm not sure exactly. I was a bit confused about that. There were a few Christian mosaics that were very prominent and displayed as you exit but I didn't see any in the main room. Although this was outside of prayer times.

nicely presented

I am a practising Muslim and I think this is a crime for it to be a mosque. This is a Christian building and it should be returned to them, that would be the truly Islamic thing to do but since we're far away from that kind of Islam, a museum would be acceptable but a mosque, it's insulting. They should at least allow the Christians to have their services there too. That would be a great political move and also reasonable.

@user-oq8my3po7c

3 жыл бұрын

Ok, would you agree to return back the grand masjid of Córdoba? And why do you see this act as insolence?! It returned a place to worship god. Christians should be proud and respectful of Muslims for returning the place of prayer to God.

@kwisatzhaderach472

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-oq8my3po7c I see it as an act of insolence because people who originally owned it see it as a provocation. Of course I would agree to return the masjid of Cordoba, and I see other Muslims are quick to point out that they also converted our place of worship into a church so it must be OK for us to do the same. My argument to that is that our Prophet a.s. thought us that the wrong action of others are not our standard of behaviour, our standard of behaviour is righteousness. I mean you have it in Islamic history when the caliph Umar prayed in Jerusalem. Ibn Khaldoon (may Allah have mercy on him) said: ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab entered Bayt al-Maqdis, and came to the Church of the Resurrection and sat in its courtyard. When the time for prayer came, he said to the patriarch: I want to pray. He said to him: Pray where you are. But he refused, and he prayed on the doorstep of the church, on his own. Then when he had finished praying, he said to the patriarch: If I had prayed inside the church, the Muslims after me would have taken it (as a mosque) and they would have said: ‘Umar prayed here. And he wrote for them that they were not to gather to pray on the steps and that adhaan was to be given from that location. End quote from Tareekh Ibn Khaldoon (2/225) He is our role model and people of those times. They had depth and consideration for others. Umar should be our standard not Recep Tayyip Erdoğan. I liked him before but this move was not cool at all.

@arkrules8557

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-oq8my3po7c You compare a converted/deconstructed catholic church into a mosque for a few centuries to a millenia+ orthodox temple in the heart of Culture/Politics of that world. I think it's proper to do whatever they want;since it now belongs to them. I can't even justify what was holding them back from doing that years ago. Cultural policies reflect their government base. At least there are some citizens left out of prison to be able to "pray" ^^ without any bigoted mindset... LOL

@Baba-so6fh

3 жыл бұрын

Kwisatz Haderach Well said

@kwisatzhaderach472

3 жыл бұрын

@@Baba-so6fh Thank you Baba

This is mere speculation but i think the first conversion of Hagia Sophia into a mosque might be related to Mehmet the Conquerors desire to be the new Kayser-i Rum (Caesar of Rome). After all Hagia Sophia is the temple for the Roman Caesar. For him, the new Caesar, it would be a mosque. I think he was feeling like he was continuing the Roman tradition somehow.

@IDK-ue1gy

3 жыл бұрын

I feel like he just wanted to be remembered as a great Muslim leader not really a roman one

@ToroNero

3 жыл бұрын

@@IDK-ue1gy then why did he called himself as Kayser-i Rum?

@IDK-ue1gy

3 жыл бұрын

@@ToroNero never heard of that before

@stevenv6463

2 жыл бұрын

@@IDK-ue1gy Yes many of the Ottoman leaders knew Greek and were really influenced by Greek culture.

@IDK-ue1gy

2 жыл бұрын

@@stevenv6463 yes I know that but never heard of what he said before

The solution is simple, Hagia Sophia should be used both as a Mosque and a Cathedral Just Like The Temple of Solomon allows worship of multiple religious identity.

@jhonshephard921

2 жыл бұрын

and also an interfaith cultural center where annual events should be held where people of both faiths + others talk and party(in a halal/kosher manner) together

back to your channel after longgg..

It should remain a museum in which a portion of building is a mosque while other should remain a church.The building should be divided between Muslim and Christians. To be honest I think Sultan Mehmed ii shouldn't have converted it into a mosque since it wasn't an ordinary church but a special church.At the same time it's debated how exactly did he convert it into a mosque by purchasing it peacefully or by kicking them out.It hurts the Christians so I think conversation to mosque should be avoided. Same should happen with mosque in corboda.To be honest this can give justification for Zionist to convert al aqsa to synagogue.

@MuhammadIbraheemAsif

3 жыл бұрын

@Mr Fr not confirmed

Hagia Sophia was built on the site of a destroyed pagan temple. I hereby petition that it should be rededicated to Zeus or to whoever it was originally meant for.

@Dani-lk3ed

3 жыл бұрын

if we go by your logic then we will have to do lot of digging in thousands of places like this and it will be never ending process

@keshavshah488

3 жыл бұрын

@@Dani-lk3ed It's an obvious joke dude.

@jordanianchristian8387

3 жыл бұрын

I fully support it 😂

@omarma7815

3 жыл бұрын

@@Dani-lk3ed thats the joke

@Gangakinartheke

3 жыл бұрын

@@keshavshah488 Are you sure that there was no stone henge like structure in that place where prehistoric hunter gatherers used to worship a god named gujumapa?

"Those who cannot deliver in the present, turn to glorifying the past." This statement is true for so many muslim leaders around the world today. Simply glorifying the past whitewashing it to match our modern world view to stand on the shoulders of great men (with often greater flaws) in the past as if somehow their achievements exist solely to be taken ownership of by political leaders today to further their own interests, rather than a collective history for all of humanity.

Are there any paintings of the interior when it was an Orthodox Cathedral and when it was a Roman Catholic Cathedral? I would love to see them.

Mehmet ii descendants literally did an interview where they said the turkey is better secular the non secular

@seyseyseysey

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah of course they did since stating the other option is a huge crime in the Turkish constitution.

@aksmex2576

2 жыл бұрын

Turkey was always "kinda" secular and non Muslim. They never tried to do mass conversions of their christians until the very late ottoman times, by then they weren't allowed to by other Europeans.

@Cecilia-ky3uw

2 жыл бұрын

@@aksmex2576 aksmex, no they actively encouraged conversion with discriminatory policies

@Cecilia-ky3uw

2 жыл бұрын

@@aksmex2576 albeit relatively tolerant for their time, the zoroastrians were always a better alternative

@aksmex2576

2 жыл бұрын

@@Cecilia-ky3uw ah yes yes ofcourse muslim bad not muslim gud. When compared to Europeans. The ottomans were extremely tolerant. You have to think of cultural relativism. Don't diminish their history with modernism. And no. They didn't pursure mass conversions. Other wise they would still hold the Balkans. Look at how many Armenians are left, it takes a few years to change demographics.

Thank you for sharing your opinion here. I was wondering how you feel about the Hagia Sophia being turned into an interfaith place of worship for all religions and spiritual traditions? Or if you want to narrow it down, an interfaith place of worship for Muslims and orthodox Christians. It would lighten my heart :-). And I would love to do both my Christian and Islamic prayers in there at the same time :-). Did you know that in Cyprus there is also a cathedral turned into a mosque? Selimiye Mosque. Quite a particular one, as the church is in gothic style. So it is a gothic mosque :-).

I've always wanted to see this building in person! So gorgeous

I agree with your opinion 100 percent.

We aren't saying Tukey can't do it. We are questioning Turkey's judgment on the issue. It's like Al Muqaddimah said: Hagia Sophia is not a pillar of islam. It wasn't built by the prophet and there are plenty of mosques just as great as it is (in fact, there is one RIGHT IN FRONT OF IT, the Blue Mosque, which was specifically made to be a counterpoint to Hagia Sophia). In the end, the only argument of why the building shouldn't be a museum comes from "tradition". But thing is, if we go for "tradition", the building should be a cathedral, not a mosque.

I m also with your opinion Hagia Sofiya not only give us the idea of cultural resemblance but also give the social idea of connection of West and east. It should be profoundly be a museum to keep the pace of more ideas and curiosity for cultural resemblance.

Loved your #Opinion

Learning about historical facts is different from learning from a religious leader. What do you expect the religious leaders to say, I always say no person will go against their own hussle. You always defends what feeds you. Historical facts don’t waver, people may bend them, but it’s their for anyone to read. As a Nigerian Yoruba, always just wondered how our indigenous ancestral religion has been replaced by the two main religions. This channel is fantastic, at the end of the day it brings perspective to the ignorant and helps understand that peace and love is the most important things in life.

Reactionaries are still a problem today. Structures of this importance, no matter who claims them for their imaginary friends, should all be museums.

@IDK-ue1gy

3 жыл бұрын

it should be turkeys decision and also why are you being disrespectful?did anyone make fun of you for being an athiests?

Dude you always have the closest takes to mine, including here Your analysis is very logical (not a Christian btw, but one has to admit this move offers nothing but lip service to his supporters, it achieves nothing)

Only the strong and in power will decide how the greatest religous buildings of the nations will be. It is not a matter of international affairs and public outcry but of the idea that the state of a nation whether its spain or turkey will see fit to not be influenced by others.

@menman2513

11 ай бұрын

yea same thing applies to isreal too

You should mention that the Orthodox clerics were FORCED to give up the Church of the Holy Apostles instead of making it sound like it was voluntary. The church of the holy apostles was the burial site for the all of the Byzantine Emperors.

The comment section will be spicy

@colinharbinson8284

3 жыл бұрын

I..........think........... you ..........mean ............ spicy...

@salahddinebensebane8429

3 жыл бұрын

@@colinharbinson8284 thanks for the correction

I havent watch Hikma History yet but I agree with both side of the arguement. Hikma History make a good point that Turkey have the right to make it a mosque or a museum. I also agree that the cultural significant of Hagia Sophia is massive and should be preserve as a museum. In my opnion what should really been done is by putting a vote to the Turkish people whether they want it to be a mosque or a museum.

I very much agree with your opinion.

Please Add English subtitle. I'm unable to catch you Accents Brother.

Hagia Sophia a victim of 21st century Politics.

@ahmadalmansur8836

3 жыл бұрын

thunder yousef and for the former mosques in spain

@ahmadalmansur8836

3 жыл бұрын

VatnsFjall no bit maybe it shows u to admit ur mistakes

@ahmadalmansur8836

3 жыл бұрын

VatnsFjall no didnt blame ur faith i blamed ur people the kings of spain and the crusaders.

@ahmadalmansur8836

3 жыл бұрын

VatnsFjall it shouldnt both made mistakes but MAYBE if one admit his mistakes the other will admit too.

@GabrielSoares-ju9yq

3 жыл бұрын

@@ahmadalmansur8836 sorry dude, but he has a much better point than you. In the end you are simply justifying what you're trying to condemn

There are hundreds of mosque built on Hindu temples in India by babur the Mughal Emperor and Aurangzeb the mughul so how about this

@TrueRaps

3 жыл бұрын

polytheism is dead bro, get with the times

@casey1571

3 жыл бұрын

But they’re pagans.

@rayyansobrany9759

3 жыл бұрын

they are not pagans they are hindus hindus are there own religion have some respect for his religion hinduism just because you are not hindu doesnt mean its ok to talk rudely to him for his religion by calling him a pagan and hindus are pagans their religion dosent matter that makes you racist cause you think its ok to belittle hindus because you thibk you are better for being muslim or whatever

@rayyansobrany9759

3 жыл бұрын

@Anonymous yeah thats their religion so what if they worship idols is hinduism islam you are being disrespectful by calling him a pagan hinduism is its own religion I'm muslims myself and if you were really muslim you would never say hinduism is pagan and that their religion is pagan and idol worship because you do realise allah has said to respect other peoples religions and not to be rude and disrespect lik you are doing by calling his religion hinduism pagan because of your rudeness he is going to view muslim as rude and backward like you. respect other peoples religions

@rayyansobrany9759

3 жыл бұрын

where is proof they were sacred to hindus or that muslims destroyed hindu site im sure the hindus at the time would not their sacred sites to be destroyed those politian are using the idea of mosques built on hindu sights as a justification to abuse muslims and destroy mosques does your religion hinduism preach the oppression of muslims

Instead of countries complaining about their sovereignty maybe they should make decisions that's good for all humanity and life on Earth.....we weren't always the dominant organism nor will we always be. My concern in this case is that they maintain and preserve the structure especially since they no longer are charging entrance fees.

@TheIronHordesman2

Жыл бұрын

Good'ol taxes will finance it now...

@kori4580

Жыл бұрын

@@TheIronHordesman2 get the Turkish people to people to pay for it instead of tourists....real smart.

You're 100% correct, it should have stayed as a museum Or better to show it's progressive and inclusive nature, and for the sake of correcting an historical injustice, they could have turned it back into a Eastern orthodox church as it was originally

The Hagia Sophia has religious significance for Muslims solely as a symbol of Muslim dominance and supremacy, that is all.

@road-eo6911

3 жыл бұрын

It was also the Center of Eastern Christianity, and of a tremendous religious importance to Christendom

@lalzuimawiahmar513

4 ай бұрын

Higia Sophia is older than islam itself ,Habibi

Genius says it's. Israel vs India vs Turkey vs Spain Al aqsa mosque & babri mosque & hagia Sophia mosque and qurtaba mosque.

@sidakbhatia1206

3 жыл бұрын

communal bigot

@nikhilc5727

3 жыл бұрын

Israel temple built by David converted into Mosque by Muslims Ram Mandir destroyed by Babur of Mughal Hagia Sofia this video explains Same goes with Spain. So who destroyed whose religious structures ?

@mizrahiwithattitude2733

2 жыл бұрын

@@nikhilc5727 built by solomon and the muslims turned it into a Mosque but it was the romans who destroyd it

Best answer and opinion

Didnt the Sultan pay for the mosque? I saw it in another video. He payed for the church then converted it.

Kudos for your opinion on this. I fully share it.

The thing is is that the building is the personal property of Sultan Muhammad al Fateh. He put in his will that it should be a mosque forever. So its not really up for debate.

@kwisatzhaderach472

3 жыл бұрын

Can you prove that?

@salmannasser9147

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah but it used to be a church at first before the Ottomans turned it into a mosque.

@AKY1LUV

3 жыл бұрын

Muhammed fateh is dead. No one cares about him. I hope it will given back to the christians with a huge apology from the Turkish government for taking it unjustly and converting it to a mosque.

@Benji567891

3 жыл бұрын

Yeh, but it belonged to the Orthodox church before the Ottoman Turks colonised Anatolia and the Balkans and stole it.

7:02 the best part❤

As a Christian who works but believe the same as you, I have to say that you have presented this every week and I would agree that this move it political. Thank you for your honesty

"we shouldn't use these buildings as political tools" - you just gave politicians such idea :c

@AlMuqaddimahYT

3 жыл бұрын

I am a little bit late. They've probably had the idea since before history was being recorded.

@Flex2212

3 жыл бұрын

@@AlMuqaddimahYT These buildings (imo just like most religions) were designed as political tools to control people.

I don't think I would feel comfortable performing my salat for there are lots of arts depicting human character. I, however, wouldn't mind giving the place a visit. If salat time comes I would go to nearby masjid and perform my salat.😊 I also strongly think that this whole part-politically-and-part-emotionally-motivated fiasco was totally unnecessary and will further escalate animosity which will greatly harm worldwide dawah work.

@2912jasonjames

3 жыл бұрын

@JasonMason1991 this act of self righteousness is very shamful idiot..If anybody destroyed a mosque use it as a pig farm what would be your reaction..

@shaheenakhter9975

3 жыл бұрын

@@2912jasonjames are you out of your mind. The Place to Pray to God converted into a Pigs Farm. You truly have your brain into your ankles.

I could somewhat understand restarting Islamic services in the building IF it were not wholly illegal to utter a Christian prayer in the same space. The argument that this is an internal matter for Turkey also makes little sense to me; if Greece decided to convert the Ataturk museum in Thessaloniki into a monastery tomorrow tomorrow, there would be vociferous protests and massive unrest throughout Turkey and possibly the rest of the Muslim world. To be clear, I hope that won't happen and quite frankly I don't think it will, but I think the parallel is worthwhile to consider.

do you think Qurtaba should remain as a church?

Something to note: Mehmed the Conqueror once said may God’s curse be upon whomever dares to change Hagia Sophia’s status from a mosque (something like that I don’t have the exact quote).

@yomamasofatwhenshewalksshe2401

3 жыл бұрын

Meaning?

@wonderwhy6496

3 жыл бұрын

@@yomamasofatwhenshewalksshe2401 it means mehmed the conqueror put a curse on whoever changes it from a mosque

@yomamasofatwhenshewalksshe2401

3 жыл бұрын

@@wonderwhy6496 So Hagia Sophia should remain Mosque or Museum?

@wonderwhy6496

3 жыл бұрын

@@yomamasofatwhenshewalksshe2401 it’s not my place to say, I just wanted to mention Mehmed’s curse

@yomamasofatwhenshewalksshe2401

3 жыл бұрын

@@wonderwhy6496 understandable.

Maybe this is becouse im a shia or maybe becouse im from the eastern part of the muslim world and never had anyproblem with christians but world heritage sites belong to the world and no one man or nation

@marcelacardenas7729

3 жыл бұрын

Agree

Hmm I think you should make a series of the history of mosques

Personnally i think it should be given back to christians, muslims have the blue mosque 500 yards away . Besides , the world needs more acts of kindness than confrontation nowadays.