Being able to perceive bass on mobile devices for sure played a big role in adding distortion. However, I believe another reason is because the sound simulates a car rattling from heavy bass. Even though your phone speaker or your headphones aren’t rattling, we subconsciously think/feel that phenomena.

@mercaloops

3 жыл бұрын

Facts

@flywittzbeats4008

3 жыл бұрын

BINGO!

@stefan_4508

2 жыл бұрын

Perfectly said. Whereas the 808 used to be a complimentary sound to the kick that was just intended to be felt on high end speaker systems, as mobile music listening got more mainstream a lot of people listen to music on shitty iPhone speakers etc. by adding distortion and exentuating the high end frequencies of the 808, people can still hear the “bass” when listening in less than ideal systems

@rubyrayne8

2 жыл бұрын

Yes!!

@enigmascape

2 жыл бұрын

100% I’m old school having had a minimum of a pair of 12” subs in my vehicles since the early 90s and blowing out band pass boxes and adding rolls of dynamat to trunks and panels and license plates for decades to try and tighten things up and get a harder thump, it seems as though the rattle we used to try so hard to mask is now the preferred sound. I must admit tho, it works on less capable audio gear to simulate that intensity and I can appreciate it when I’m just on my phone with a pair of headphones. I prefer the classics however when I’m in my truck and throwing a few kw at my subs. Some modern music really has that authentic flapping of a license plate frame and it kinda drives me nuts tho cuz I feel a strong urge to troubleshoot the “problem” and pinpoint the offending rattle. 😂

Modern 808 saturation and distortion basically is emulating the sound of a vehicle from the 80s with a good bass system from half a block away.

@ARareAndDifferentTune_13

2 ай бұрын

That’s a really interesting observation man

The Pierre 808 believe it or not is the perfect 808, although it took almost 37 yrs to achieve the sound (popularized in 2017) I still believe it can fit on any beat

@1countingcommas

Жыл бұрын

U talking about the hacked my instagram 808 or the other one that sounds like a zay?

@SIMONREMISH

Жыл бұрын

@@1countingcommas prolly zay

@robdabxnk

7 ай бұрын

das just zay 808 bro

@niganools1502

7 ай бұрын

@@robdabxnk same thing my nigga lol

Maximus has the Soundgoodizer presets, so you can see what it does in more detail

@hitzoneproductions7858

3 жыл бұрын

You sir, are absolutely correct.

@whoamiwhoami3769

2 жыл бұрын

What kind of plugins (stock or purchase) can be used for those effects on Ableton? I just found out soundgoodizer / maximus is stock FL studio plugin...

@kaustik185

2 жыл бұрын

Still, the way he just guessed everything it does correctly.. impressive

@SwiftDreamer

2 жыл бұрын

@@whoamiwhoami3769 Pretty sure you can use OTT in ableton get a similar sound. You could also get the producer edition of FL to own maximus (as well as other swell plugins) and used the FL studio VSTi to easily use FL plugins & features with Ableton

Personally, I like the sound of smooth, non-distorted 808s. Music is best appreciated from good speakers, not a phone speaker. It's why I stick to 2000s Hip-Hop because it's a nice balance

@vee_da_reaper2350

Жыл бұрын

Ur not supposed to listen to it in general

@user-nv9us7bb4y

Жыл бұрын

Trap was at his best in 2010 +/-

@thelinkofperfectioncharity9469

Жыл бұрын

Typical Rnb head

@bavingeter423

Жыл бұрын

Hard agree

@ashxxtxn1

Жыл бұрын

Instruments these days or samples go way harder and are just so much more crisp but yes I agree wid the speaker comment and also smoother bass I don't hop on beats that are distorted also phones these days speakers are better you can hear bass now when I'm mastering a song I use headphones then final master on my 6s then just check the car then the phone last

I love how your kits are mixed taught me a lot about mixing my own kicks and snares just by buying yours forever ago. Respect

I like the old school 808 because it hits harder in the car, the new 808s sound better on phone speakers/ airpods though

@stefan_4508

2 жыл бұрын

Only if you got a sub otherwise the new 808s will still slap harder usually

One of the questions I've always had is when did 808s go from an atonal bass drop to the playing baseline itself If you take the TR 808 and try to play a baseline with it it doesn't sound right no matter the tuning! I've always wondered what did lex luger, shawty redd and zaytoven do to make their 808s sound so tonal without making them sound synthetic

@ARareAndDifferentTune_13

2 ай бұрын

This is an old comment but damn you’re gonna drive me nuts with this one! Really good question!!

Bass in modern metal music is treated very similarly to 808s in the hiphop world. Anyone looking for a new way to treat 808s should check out Parallax by Neural DSP. It's made for modern bass tones in metal music, but is downright amazing for subs in general.

and the beat goes boom boom booom boooom boom boom boom TR 808 is just legendary machine, had a huge impact on and Electro/Electro Funk scene and early westcoast Hip Hop 🙌

Spinz 808 and Wonda Eest 808 is the best today

Thanks for making me understand

I really enjoy learning about music

Great info!

This mans made a bounced Pierre Bourne 808 (the best one)

It was jungle producers who made that jump to using tuned 808s with distortion as a bass sound, and with the minor pantatonic reggae intonation, in the early 90s. I wouldn't disagree that the use today is driven by phone and laptop speakers being used for listening so much, but jungle had already mapped it out decades before.

@cody42693

3 жыл бұрын

Oh wow, I didn't know this.

tbf, people like kerry chandler have modded their 808s and 909s back in the 90s to get more punch out of them, so you def had much more distorted and heavier sounds back in the day the context is obviously different, but still... before it sounds like a 1 mans mixing decision, it was definitely a progress to get to where we are probably just as important is the fact that due to those machines being so legendary (calling the 808 a failed drum machine is a bit of an understatement. i get the context, but still), which lead to a 'drum kit' with sounds of both the machines ending up in every daw, which lead to some kid with a cracked fl, used the kick without knowing it's "not a bass" (not supposed to be i mean), etc. etc.

All I knew before this video was: Ye popularized 808s in hip hop now we're happy

Losing sub can be a thing but that’s why a lot of people avoid that by using a send and high pass it then distort/saturate/widen the send without sub. All together though good shit!

if you do parallel processing you can have both the perfect lows and higher harmonics blended together

multiband-distortion allows you to keep the bass frequencies and add harmonics. Fab Filter Saturn is a good plugin for this or you can send out the kick and put distortion/overdrive/saturation on it with a hi pass filter. Put a transient shaper or a hard compressor with a clicky attack and a slower release to it and you will get a bump at the beginning that producers the feeling of a "knock".

What about multiband distortion, just distort the mid and highs and leave the low un-distored, or maybe just a touch to it?

Don’t forget Lex Luger started that saturated 808 trend in 2010 🔥

Couldnt you use an equalizer to boost the middle frequencies on the OG 808 so you can hear it on a phone or laptop? I am new to music production, and just curious if this is a work around.

The distortion is also a trick to increase the perceived volume without increasing the peak volume. Its a way to fool the listener into thinking that part is louder in a song and cheat in the loudness wars as well as creating higher frequency content to hear on speakers that can't reproduce low end. Its nonsense that your loosing low frequency content when you distort an 808. I also suggest if your going to talk about 808's you have a real one vs a sample that may already be compressed, etc.

Can you nake videos on how to sample from scratch?and make basline out of ot too

So What im about to say is non technical and just my opinion... The reason i think we all love the saturated 808 today is because in the hood if you had subs the trunk would rattle right, but some people didnt really have good subs or a spacious trunk which created the saturated nasty sound. Overtime people just got use to hearing it sound like that and as the generation grew up that became the sound that was desired.. lol like i said non technical but just my observation and experience lol.. i mean thats why i love the sound minus the speakers benefits on small speakers lol

@SwiftDreamer

2 жыл бұрын

The hood has definitely helped make the 808 popular with them mini earthquakes 😂

@avzarathustra6164

2 жыл бұрын

@@SwiftDreamer lmao “*BOOOOOOOOM*”

@francisgutierrez9674

2 жыл бұрын

Cool thoughts but it's more about bringing out harmonics

@LG-bi1sr

2 жыл бұрын

@@francisgutierrez9674 .. for the small speakers

@thecramptons

3 ай бұрын

Correct

Blood Overdrive and Waveshaper are probably the best stock FL distortion plugins to me. I don't really get the Fast Distort hype.

@SwiftDreamer

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. Waveshaper even has the fruity fast distort presets that you can alter, so even better

Run DMC - Runs House.....Check the 808s, same thing as now, maybe phatter because of the real compressors and other hardware, plus was recorded onto tape, which is always sexierrrrr!!!!

Cmon Decap you know sound goodizer is just Maximus, right? In the Maximus presets there are Soundgoodizer A-D and you can see the actual parameters

super interesting!

Idk what 808 was used in Wiz Khalifa “Say Yeah” but I wanna know

the Roland TR-808's or TR-909's... Great Equipment for trunk (bass (subwoofers & tweeters) systems)..

@user-nv9us7bb4y

Жыл бұрын

sometimes it seems to me that nothing else will appear

Listen to the slow version of Timmy T’s “One More Try” on a good set of headphones 😉🎧

In am Addicted to RACK KICK 1

Original 808 is Fire

Can you please do amapiano logdrum

anybody out there splitting their filter bands to separate lows and highs? i do it sometimes, dont know if im crazy or not haha i basically just duplicate the 808 and highpass one at like 200hz and lowpass the other around the same. then i do all the distortion/limiting on the highpass track and leave the sine sub by itself to get the woofers rumbling smoothe. you can even do slight stereo tricks with like white noise n stuff on the highpass track to get slightly wider 8's without messing up your phase too much. or maybe im insane, plz send help

@AJ-ed7mx

11 ай бұрын

You are not crazy fam but you dont even got to do all that, i do that when theres a lot of information across the board like on for example a piano or string loop

says right on the plugin powered by maximus. nice video love your content

@cody42693

3 жыл бұрын

Ok this made me laugh. Would have been funny if he just happened to look down in the video mid speech, read it, and was like "...Oh"

@zackbelgarde105

3 жыл бұрын

@@cody42693 haha ya, i always miss things that are right in front of my face lol

The "new sound" is more like a Moog Sub Phatty with extra oscillator and overdrive filtered down to a low frequency. Doesn't sounds like a drum at all to me. Envelope settings can me it more drum like than bass like.

I do not agree that you lose low frequencies by distorting or saturating an 808. How? That doesn't make sense to me. Thank for the video though :)

It's about layering a 808 with a synth or anything really then adding distortion & compression etc.. It's not rocket science.. Make sure to high pass that synth a bit to keep the 808 fundamental.

While this may be true in a physics of sound standpoint.. let's look at the balance between how the 808 kick lives throughout a modern mix. Aka.. perhaps. Eprom. Kxwldge. Jimmy Edgar.. WITHOUT sidechain compression. Without the idea of comparison and reference within the realm of KZread SoundCloud etc etc. Just as is.... Then we may see that it is a wild dynamic of analog and organic han thought and creativity that spawns the greatest of mixes. Ps. 💕 Ps. _________________

@0ptimus

3 жыл бұрын

Maximus has the SOUND GOODIZER?! COMMENT BELOW. LOL

Drill 808 are gen z 808s 😅😂🤘🏻😈🤘🏻

@jamesjr2550

3 жыл бұрын

Them bass nation style 808s

New 808s best

Sounds to me like its just hard-clipping and the EQing, pre- limiter

The cello can be used

Look up I can be energy

My phone speakers:

Sharpnbrite sub bass champions

Look what I do ...Hardware only, Standalone Akai professional Mpc

То есть, весь этот хваленый трендовый звук появился за счет саундгудайзера? Класс😄👍

Is it accurate to say Kanye was to first to use 808s melodically rather than as a percussive instrument?

@avzarathustra6164

2 жыл бұрын

totally inaccurate, “give the dj a break” did it way before

@parkercoe3727

2 жыл бұрын

@@avzarathustra6164 wow what a track. Ahead of it’s time. Just listened to that for the first time. Thanks for the reply.

@francisgutierrez9674

2 жыл бұрын

You were off just by 18 years... smh

@parkercoe3727

2 жыл бұрын

@@francisgutierrez9674 how do you mean?

@francisgutierrez9674

2 жыл бұрын

@@parkercoe3727 808s and heartbreakers came out in 2008 and the track the other guy mentioned is from 1990. I just don't know how you could think this was done for the first time in 2008 lol

One of the worst 808s I've heard was from "Miss The Rage"

so many non subby 808's these days. people distort the shit out of them and it sounds "good", but not as good on big ass speakers or a legit studio or car system. can be fixed by multiband EQing the 808 and keeping the true sub frequencies clean and loud, but most people just smash the whole 808. DnB\Techno\EDM\etc will do proper multibanding on bass because the end game is for it to sound dope in the club ave\festival on a legit rig... modern hip-hop seems to only be played on ear buds and shitty speakers with 128kbps rip MP3's for %90 of the listeners.

@LG-bi1sr

2 жыл бұрын

I'm so tired of it.. it may sound better on a phone (who listens on a phone?), but it surely doesn't feel like a sub. It takes up way too much space in the frequency range.. and it's actually narrowing the range because you won't hear any low frequencies at all due to the distortion/saturation.. And all other sounds are high passed making them thin to "leave space" for the "incredible", "unique" 808. It's so booooring.. Every other sound is pushed into the high frequency range making them harsh. Massive generalization btw

@darotm7628

2 жыл бұрын

@@LG-bi1sr I agree so much, the cleaner sounding original type 808s are so much better

@LG-bi1sr

2 жыл бұрын

@@darotm7628 Yeah, you can really feel the heaviness on good speakers or headphones. It also leaves room for other instruments lower tones, which can sound really nice

@user-nv9us7bb4y

Жыл бұрын

@@darotm7628 can be used layering

I wish people wouldn't listen to music on phones speakers, maybe if producers didn't cater to doing so, more people would put on headphones :)

@LG-bi1sr

2 жыл бұрын

I don't believe people, in which bass is a big deal, listens to music through their phone speakers. I don't buy into the phone speaker argument, I think it is more of a bad trend

You buy MPC LIVE II and do nothing with 808, no problem,cause procesor INSIDE do most beautiful sound

Fruity Loops

I think distorted 808s are just overused on songs that don't need them. If it is a center piece of your composition, cool. But just throwing it on an acoustic guitar loop? No thanks.

@penguin902

Жыл бұрын

Lol Guitar loop+distorted 808. That's def Nick Mira/Internet Money's fault for making it so common

kinda

In my experiences the patriot act made the world go crazy not the 808

2:20 so fucking depressing that people actually listen to music on shitty phone speakers.

nah 20hz is better

Go to study

Not much to do with history of 808 sadly.

Kanye west is the founder of the new style