High Rise MTB Bars? 35/40mm Pros & Cons Explained

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00:00 Intro
0:38 Body Position
2:20 MTB geo, bar height, and suspension travel
5:04 Raising and lowering the front end
8:58 Spacers vs. high rise bars
Mountain bike handlebar rise. What is it and how does it impact your ride? In this video, Jeff covers everything you could ever want to know about handlebar rise which includes flat, medium-rise, and of course, high rise as well as how to find the right bar height for you. We also cover the relationship between the handlebar and the number of stem spacers which in turn, affect the overall stack height. Because handlebars are one of the main contact points between you and the bike, it’s crucial that you find a handlebar rise that is a good fit for your bike and riding style. If you are a rider more focused on climbing, then you may want a flat or relatively low riser bar. On the opposite end, if downhill is your forte, then a handlebar with a higher rise like 20mm, 30mm, or even 40mm rise would be for you. More importantly, it can help alleviate back pain and keep you on the bike for longer periods of time. And at the end of the day, isn’t that what we all want?
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  • @WorldwideCyclery
    @WorldwideCyclery3 жыл бұрын

    What rise handlebars do you prefer?

  • @meirsnyder3460

    @meirsnyder3460

    3 жыл бұрын

    15mm

  • @felixklimm7225

    @felixklimm7225

    3 жыл бұрын

    35mm

  • @lirART-id1cb

    @lirART-id1cb

    3 жыл бұрын

    I put bmx Bars on my bike and use spacers to fit them in the stem. It's really compfortable. Everybody should do that

  • @zaca3673

    @zaca3673

    3 жыл бұрын

    40

  • @toneloke7489

    @toneloke7489

    3 жыл бұрын

    -35mm

  • @deepPuddlesarefun
    @deepPuddlesarefun3 жыл бұрын

    I appreciate a corporate company that isn't afraid to have fun with it's video edits, awesome

  • @dallasdandigitalproduction393

    @dallasdandigitalproduction393

    3 жыл бұрын

    Hilarious clips. "Doc said i need a backinotomy" lol

  • @WorldwideCyclery

    @WorldwideCyclery

    3 жыл бұрын

    Well thanks! But we're not really a "corporate company" but rather a couple dozen goofballs selling bike parts 😅

  • @markmenditto2476

    @markmenditto2476

    3 жыл бұрын

    Compliments to your editor. “Ok. This slip-up needs what? Yeah, goat lips!” Brilliant.

  • @saturupiah5940

    @saturupiah5940

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@WorldwideCyclery Keep doing what you do. You're informative and fun. Stay away of that Woke garbage.

  • @Klips005

    @Klips005

    3 жыл бұрын

    They are #1 at fun vids 🤙

  • @Serial-hobbyist
    @Serial-hobbyist3 жыл бұрын

    I really liked the freeze frame comparison shots to demonstrate the affect different rise bars have on a riders body position. Great video!

  • @royatkinson9905
    @royatkinson99053 жыл бұрын

    NICA: national inter-scholastic cycling association NICA to Jeff: National intergalactic cycling association 8:37

  • @WorldwideCyclery

    @WorldwideCyclery

    3 жыл бұрын

    Haha check 10:58 got ya 😉

  • @bikeste

    @bikeste

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yup. Noticed immediately, but assumed intentional. Sarcasm confirmed!

  • @EstebanRapido

    @EstebanRapido

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@bikeste In SoCal, they've embraced intergalactic at times.

  • @royatkinson9905

    @royatkinson9905

    3 жыл бұрын

    Worldwide Cyclery haha you got me can’t assume anything with your scripts

  • @GrizDrummer25

    @GrizDrummer25

    3 жыл бұрын

    I read this before I got to that part of the video, but still couldn't stop chuckling when he just kept going like he didn't realize what was said xD

  • @carltonwexler5390
    @carltonwexler53903 жыл бұрын

    Dear Jeff, I just joined NICA and I won my first race last weekend. I just wanted to say thank you because if I had dent seen your add on KZread I wouldn’t have been interested in mtbing so thank you.

  • @tommiesturkenboom3862
    @tommiesturkenboom38623 жыл бұрын

    Recently went to 35 mil rise from 10 in combination with a 35 mil stem instead of 50, jumping and rough downhill became much more stable!

  • @isaaclopez5004

    @isaaclopez5004

    3 жыл бұрын

    What about your reach, my stumpjumper already has a short reach did you notice a difference?

  • @dansteadman2528

    @dansteadman2528

    3 жыл бұрын

    oooooo good to know. Been thinking about a handlebar upgrade from my 10mm rise al bar and i mostly ride downhill

  • @tommiesturkenboom3862

    @tommiesturkenboom3862

    3 жыл бұрын

    freeholeless50 tv yeah combined you do definitely notice that there is a bit less room between the seat and cockpit, and a overall more upright seating position. I’ve compensated a bit by sliding my sadle a bit more to the back!

  • @akabukiman

    @akabukiman

    3 жыл бұрын

    I think you could have saved a lot of money trying some spacers first - at least if your steerer tube isn't cut down too much.

  • @darwinwagaman6576

    @darwinwagaman6576

    3 жыл бұрын

    I have done exactly the same & popping the front wheel up is so much easier. Much less effort when obstacles are close together & as you say the stability is well improved.

  • @drewbarton3364
    @drewbarton33643 жыл бұрын

    Can I just say that from a purely OCD perspective, I was immediately VERY pleased that you were perfectly centered between the shelves

  • @alexanderwestphal3994
    @alexanderwestphal39943 жыл бұрын

    Shredding the 80mm rise Deity Bars on my 2020 Nukeproof scout 290 expert. Brings my bike to life.

  • @bspan5380
    @bspan5380 Жыл бұрын

    Love this channel. I get more thoughtful and experienced advice than most anywhere else. Appreciate you doing it. I’ve ordered several things from the website and your prices are on point. Great customer service too.

  • @BoiseG
    @BoiseG3 жыл бұрын

    As an old dude, I can say I definitely prefer a more upright riding position! OWWW MY NECK AND MY BACK!!!

  • @ShitStefanShoots

    @ShitStefanShoots

    3 жыл бұрын

    age 55 myself and 30 mm rise

  • @jimanastasio192

    @jimanastasio192

    3 жыл бұрын

    Ditto! 55 y.o. and 30mm rise. The increase in comfort means longer rides, plus I think the higher bar shifts the weight bias rearward and seems to help me to pivot the bike around tight, low speed turns better.

  • @holyhank4519

    @holyhank4519

    3 жыл бұрын

    Age 13 already my back and neck hurts

  • @jsv438

    @jsv438

    3 жыл бұрын

    ​@@jimanastasio192 Yes! Thank you! Exactly. When I get a riser-stem for one of my hardtails (for many of the SAME reasons you stated) they look at me like I'm putting something where it doesn't belong. I was a terror when I was very young, but I STILL want to enjoy beating the crap out of my bike in the dirt and the woods, it's just that my body tells me it's no longer a tough as the bike frame. I have a prolonged endurance when dirt riding since I've added the riser stem and/or bars to my bikes. A LOT more. And no more back, shoulder, hand, neck fatigue. Can you believe it? All that practically cured with a minor adjustment/addition. Hey I've noticed too, that tight control as you stated feels better to me as well. WHY do these "trends" always come from what's scientifically "proven" on the professional race circuits? Recreational & novice riders make up the overwhelming bulk of the industry sales. I have NO NEED to punish my body in order to shave 2/10ths of a second off my time, so THAT part of the science is useless to recreational riders like myself. I still can't understand why these bikes distributed for sales to a wide variety of physical body types don't have the steering tubes cut just a bit longer from the factory. You can ALWAYS have a few mil's or so cut OFF, but you can't ADD any material. If that were the case I'd put all the spacers under the factory stem and be good-to-go without having to customize the bars and stem JUST TO ENJOY a new bike. I'm glad you you said what you did. LOL! You got me on a rant--it's only because I've wondered about this for many years. Wanting to get this $5G bike for the spring and struggling with what the solution will be for the rise issue. Maybe go w/Deity riser bars anyway, but they SHOULD cut the steering tubes longer from the factory for consumer distribution models. ~JSV

  • @trevorsowers

    @trevorsowers

    3 жыл бұрын

    51 and I use a 35mm rise bar

  • @jptothetree
    @jptothetree3 жыл бұрын

    Love my 40mm bars on my Commencal. I'm doing hardly any climbing since it's my bike park / around town rig so I love the 40mm for control on the descents / jumps and for a more comfortable posture in general.

  • @harryls1283
    @harryls12833 жыл бұрын

    Jeff, thanks for answering questions like that because they help us riders make better decisions on what to do to improve our rides. I was actually thinking about what height of handle bar to get and know I have a much better idea. I am a subscriber and I’m glad I am. Thanks again dude!

  • @jamieknight326
    @jamieknight3263 жыл бұрын

    Super useful video. I have a spinal cord injury which has effected my core strength. Getting a levo and swapping bars and spacers has made it possible for me to ride again :)

  • @brianhely3910
    @brianhely39103 жыл бұрын

    Love WWC videos like this so much, just got another riser bar. I also think the trend of risers is due to dropper posts being prolific, and encouraging people to actually climb at the highest optimal point, hence makes sense to bring bars up too... But yeah as you said Jeff there's a lot of factors, also you said intergalactic cycling association, total paradigm shift, then a hair cut mid video, next level

  • @dallasdandigitalproduction393
    @dallasdandigitalproduction3933 жыл бұрын

    1.Props to your editor. The comedy clips were gold. 2. Love this channel. I always learn something new. Thanks to everyone for your quality work here. Cheers

  • @powerxforce

    @powerxforce

    3 жыл бұрын

    🤣

  • @briankelly6113
    @briankelly61133 жыл бұрын

    Very informative. Not only covered the hows but also the whys and the cause and effects.

  • @Ethanh734
    @Ethanh7343 жыл бұрын

    I never considered stem spacers affecting reach. Thanks for the insight.

  • @lukejasper5016
    @lukejasper50163 жыл бұрын

    I love how WC puts out so much content and also really good content even though their following is relatively small. Much respect, love your guys videos

  • @ninjaxero8080
    @ninjaxero80803 жыл бұрын

    This couldn't come at a better time. I'm setting up my cockpit better and I was just doing research on this topic. Good stuff, man.

  • @blangeleven

    @blangeleven

    Жыл бұрын

    Same here. I learned some things from this video. I went and tried a bike at a local shop and while the frame was definitely the right size for me in terms of saddle position and my ride style, the reach was a tad much. I ended up building out a custom version of that bike through a shop called Fanatik and specced more spacers, shorter stem, and higher rise bar. We’ll see if that works for me. I’ve struggled with low back pain for years so I’m hoping I nail it. Bike arrives soon.

  • @derrick5507
    @derrick55072 жыл бұрын

    Great video Jeff!! Been searching for a visual and comprehensive review for a while now and stumbled on WC handlebar rise video and its impact on riding and I must say big thanks Jeff and WC team. As always, impressed with all contents you push out there: great unbias relevant knowledge with funny add ons 😉. Been a fan of the channel but being in the UK, never had the privilege of an order experience which I will assume must be awesome 👌

  • @CoreySchmick444
    @CoreySchmick4443 жыл бұрын

    Another thing that you can do, which is what I just did, is moving the position of my bars in regards to rotation. I got a Giant Trance 29 and it has Contact bars with 20mm rise which is pretty normal. The handlebars felt a little weird compared to my hardtail setup. I noticed that the bars were slanted back and down, and I was going to get riser bars, then I decided just to rotate them "forward" in the stem. I don't know how it was supposed to be stock, but everything now lines up better, even the little stickers that tell you the specs about the bars. My bars now flare up and don't feel as cramped in the cockpit. I don't know if this is "kosher" or there will be any negative effects, but it feels a lot better. This video sure does a better job than the others on KZread as to the reasons why you would want to change your setup, kudos Jeff.

  • @zaca3673
    @zaca36733 жыл бұрын

    I’ve been waiting for this video from any channel for so long thanks guys

  • @SkateTutor
    @SkateTutor3 жыл бұрын

    It would have been good to also include changes in stem length in this overall discussion as it's an integral part that affects body position just like high rise bars and stem spacers...

  • @idolhandsjabronie6517
    @idolhandsjabronie65173 жыл бұрын

    The movie references were on point on this one ☝️. Well played edit guy, well played. “Oh my back, my neck and my back”.

  • @rinky_dinky
    @rinky_dinkyАй бұрын

    I was running 20mm bars , then i went to a 35mm bars PLUS raising my stem 20mm. I realised i could climb standing up without my rear wheel spinning out . Also i could feel the bike under me so much more , as in i could feel my bike rotating around the BB and the rear suspension feels so much better 👍🏻

  • @andyginther8562
    @andyginther85623 жыл бұрын

    That was helpful, great job man. Very uplifting.

  • @lparker3446
    @lparker34463 жыл бұрын

    8:37 "National Intergalactic cycling organization"? riding on the moon!

  • @WorldwideCyclery

    @WorldwideCyclery

    3 жыл бұрын

    Check 10:58 got ya 😁

  • @garyherndon4722

    @garyherndon4722

    3 жыл бұрын

    Jumps are much easier at 1/6 gravity.

  • @RobHill00
    @RobHill003 жыл бұрын

    Really helpful, something I was considering on my last ride, I’ve got 1 spacer left on my bars to move them up, that might just be the amount I need as I do sometimes feel like I’m stretched out a bit!👍🏻

  • @boxmtbing9390
    @boxmtbing93903 жыл бұрын

    Nice videos! You might also want to mention "sweep" in this video (seeing how much some of these rise bar sweep back at the grips at the 10:00 min mark). I alleviated a lot of hand numbness by rotating my rise bar in the clamp and moving that sweep position to a more natural hand position for me.

  • @sonnduro
    @sonnduro3 жыл бұрын

    wow thanks for the clip Jeff, seriously that was really informative, i dont like the look of high rise bars, the next handle bars i want to get are Enve and they come in a 10, 25 and 35, so I'm going to get the 25mm rise one, my current ones are 20mm so knowing that a higher rise bar will help with the DH stuff makes me more happy to go with the 25mm

  • @175thStreet
    @175thStreet3 жыл бұрын

    Excellent video as usual from you guys 👊👊

  • @chrisorr3919
    @chrisorr39193 жыл бұрын

    Awesome video and at great explanation. Im not looking at changing my factory handlebar bars for but im definitely educated about them now if I ever want to change them.

  • @salaguirre1817
    @salaguirre18172 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for all the advice I just installed a Deity 50mm raiser bar on my Foes Fxr and rides like a dream

  • @eddieeaves4390
    @eddieeaves43903 жыл бұрын

    Just switched to a Raceface Respond with 1/2” rise, significant feel over flat bar.

  • @sumoneskid
    @sumoneskid3 жыл бұрын

    I got a bike fit this year, where they put me on a slammed stem. I also got some pointers from a coach, who preaches dropping your chin and chest closer to the bars when descending for better control. Both completely contradicted what I though I knew about bikes. Basically I've been told, if you are flexible enough to drop your front end, its a benefit for both climbing and descending. I don't pretend to be in tune with my bike enough to know what works best, nor do I suggest I know what I'm talking about. But I just wanted to throw a wrench into the conversation and say there are different schools of thought on this! I always appreciate the videos Jeff! If I didn't get stung with duty buying products from the States, I'd be on your site all the time.

  • @catg9196

    @catg9196

    3 жыл бұрын

    You should experiment with spacers on bottom of the stem. You’d be surprised how much easier it is to pull up on the bars when descending.

  • @mikeschneider4274

    @mikeschneider4274

    3 жыл бұрын

    That guy must be an XC racer or road racer. When descending, you need to get back behind your seat. It's way easier to get back when you don't start off leaning forward, not to mention how much easier it is to hop big stuff.

  • @sumoneskid

    @sumoneskid

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@mikeschneider4274 I know where you're coming from. That was my exact mentality too. New age coaching preach get low, instead of get back on the steeps. You might throw your hips back for a half second through a hole or off a drop, but keeping your elbows bent & hips over the saddle is a more active position. It's taken me a summer to start to get comfortable with it. I don't have any great videos/examples to recommend, but check out some DH and enduro racing. They'll be going faster through the steeps than I ever will, and you won't see straight arms or the ass off the back wheel.

  • @speedikat6822
    @speedikat68222 жыл бұрын

    Old skool cat here. That's the best explanation of bar types and what they do that I've seen to date. The only aspect that I'd differ on is riser bars being a recent trend. Folks were talking about it in the late '90s too.

  • @tombarbee729
    @tombarbee7293 жыл бұрын

    I’ve been waiting for a video like this for SO FREAKING LONG. Thank you!

  • @jokermtb
    @jokermtb3 жыл бұрын

    I'm running a Spank Spike 800 Vibrocore, 30mm Rise, 780mm Width with a 40mm stem. Sweet spot for me. Been running risers on my bikes since the 90's when they first began to hit the market - I'd get people come up to me and ask 'What's up with that handlebar?" Being from an MX background, risers were inevitable for mountain bikes.....

  • @alanhassall
    @alanhassall3 жыл бұрын

    I am 5'7" with a 26" inseam. My arms are short too so I wanted a high rise bar with the desire to roll the bar back some combined with a 35mm stem. I also replaced the standard aluminum fork on my bike with the carbon fiber fork of the more expensive model. The bike is a little older so the fork was available at a discount. I cut it for a few more spacers, but was warned not to go to crazy with spacers. It turned out that my bike had come with a 40mm rise bar so the new bar only made a difference in that it was wider. I ended up going back to the original bar because I was worried about putting a bar end though one of my knees in a crash.

  • @ayadal
    @ayadal3 жыл бұрын

    Love the videos. Keep em coming. I’m learning so much. Can’t wait to get my first mountain bike.

  • @michaelannetts5839
    @michaelannetts58392 жыл бұрын

    Loved the Friday edit! Bought some 38mm riser bars and a shorter stem which are due to arrive soon. I get lower back pain after pretty much each ride so really hoping this will help. Sounds like it will!

  • @raheemgahelable
    @raheemgahelable3 жыл бұрын

    40mm Renthal FatBar carbon 35 with 3 spacers under my stem, and I'll never look back 🤘🤘

  • @finkelmann

    @finkelmann

    3 жыл бұрын

    That Renthal is so flippin stiff- easily the most painful bar i've owned (and a few of my friends feel the same). I ended up swapping mine out, was just too sore after any aggressive trail.

  • @raheemgahelable

    @raheemgahelable

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@finkelmann are you talking about the aluminum version?

  • @finkelmann

    @finkelmann

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@raheemgahelable nope. I get along with their aluminium bars. Its the carbon ones that broke me :) Btw, check out oneup's stiffness/compliance test chart. Renthal was indeed the least compliant, which reassured what i was feeling.

  • @raheemgahelable

    @raheemgahelable

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@finkelmann huh! Interesting though. I've the opposite experience with my carbon 35 Renthal. My friend got the same version aluminum, and it felt " harsh" a little on my elbow and shoulders. OneUp makes good one and it has good reviews.., also, the durability of the Renthal carbon is pretty amazing though.

  • @UltimateMTB

    @UltimateMTB

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@finkelmann I feel the same way, my fatbar 35 carbon bars feel extremely stiff, im definitely switching back to alloy on my next bike.

  • @radorbad6978
    @radorbad69783 жыл бұрын

    I ride with 50mm riser bars, one of the benefits not mentioned is comfort in the air on big hits. Much easier to throw whips too. Feels more like a bmx than a xc or road bike.

  • @geoffsimons1235
    @geoffsimons12353 жыл бұрын

    Great explanation of how spacers vs rise affects reach,thanks

  • @anthony6575
    @anthony65753 жыл бұрын

    This video has helped me out massively. When I bought my Sight A1 I was right in between size Medium and Large. My instinct said get the Medium but only the Large was in stock. I do trail riding, jumps, climbs and down hill but always get a sore back on steep climbs, struggle to lift the front and always feel I made a mistake on choosing a size Large. This video has really solved my problems and helped me out heaps. Thanks from 🇦🇺 ✌️

  • @jmovision270

    @jmovision270

    2 ай бұрын

    I’m the same on my Roscoe 7 what all did you do exactly

  • @adlar2005
    @adlar20053 жыл бұрын

    My homie has a 500mm rise on his Lowrider.

  • @dansteadman2528

    @dansteadman2528

    3 жыл бұрын

    thats a lotta bar

  • @trailrider3625

    @trailrider3625

    3 жыл бұрын

    Ahahaha

  • @bottipoika

    @bottipoika

    3 жыл бұрын

    i use about 200mm rise on my hill climb klunker

  • @isaaccastillo3813

    @isaaccastillo3813

    3 жыл бұрын

    Lol they use steering wheels

  • @rob_cd

    @rob_cd

    3 жыл бұрын

    YES

  • @hope4surf
    @hope4surf3 жыл бұрын

    LOVE my Deity Highside 50mm rise bars!!!

  • @dadventuretv2538
    @dadventuretv25383 жыл бұрын

    You do great vids on topics I think a lot of us don’t really understand. Keep up the good work. Btw- me- 35 mm stem, 30 mm rise 800 mm wide Renthals on my XL Bronson V3. Great combo- long and stable yet short rear and higher bars makes it still super poppy and easy to get the front wheel up. Just have to lean a bit more forward when going up real steep.

  • @inkrider95
    @inkrider952 жыл бұрын

    I love my 30mm rise bars they help with back fatigue as you mentioned but also they help me with less wrist fatigue, great video..

  • @jdcunn11
    @jdcunn113 жыл бұрын

    Just ordered 35mm rise oneup bars! Can't wait!

  • @jared_erickson

    @jared_erickson

    3 жыл бұрын

    The oneup bars are rad!

  • @Dangeruss718

    @Dangeruss718

    3 жыл бұрын

    Where did you order them from?? I can’t find them anywhere 😓

  • @jdcunn11

    @jdcunn11

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@Dangeruss718 thelostco.com, looks like they have the 20mm rise right now

  • @meganNefarious

    @meganNefarious

    3 жыл бұрын

    Best bars everrrrrrrr!

  • @marcelknop1
    @marcelknop13 жыл бұрын

    Good Vid. I'm 197cm/6'5" tall and run 50mm riser bars in the quest for better stack height. I'm still below where I need to be by at least 30mm just to get my hands level with my seat. I'm running factory cut steerer (too short) with all spacers under the stem as well as a longer stem with 8 degree rise in an effort for more stack height. The issue is that bike manufacturers do not make the frame size geometry changes proportionate to the change in rider height as you go up the frame sizes. A sample of manufacturer frame geometry shows that small frames are for 155cm riders and XL frames for up to 197cm riders ideally. This is a 27% change in rider height, compared to an average change in stack height on most manufacturer's frames of less than 2%. It's therefore pretty obvious that a taller rider will need to go looking for more stack height by use of spacers, bar rise, steerer length and stems with a rise. To put it in perspective, the stack height on XL frames need to be at least 150mm higher than current geometries to be at the same proportional change to a small frame as that to the persons height. (This is obviously an oversimplification but you get the point.) Don't believe me?. Take a look at different bike seat heights compared to handlebar height on different size frames and you will note that on trail bikes, almost without exception the XL frames seat height will be significantly above the bars and for smaller frames the seat height will be level with or below the bars. In my experience the difference in handling and comfort as you increase stack height towards the more ideal level is significant, and in my case helps me to improve my speed a lot.

  • @peniakfoto

    @peniakfoto

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yes! This is my problem too and I am just 184cm tall vith very long legs. So I am sitting on my trail bike like XC profi racer :)

  • @thomasmuller986

    @thomasmuller986

    2 жыл бұрын

    Bombtrack Beyond adv + ....660mm Stack XL

  • @thomasmuller986

    @thomasmuller986

    2 жыл бұрын

    But for road bikes the bike fitters recommend a higher difference between Bar and seat than for smaller people. I think the rule that on mtb seat and bar should be Level no matter S or XXL is just wrong.

  • @roetietoe

    @roetietoe

    2 жыл бұрын

    agree !! with my 190cm 92 inseem it still feels small on a xl my seat is higher then my bars and indeed this makes a traibike feels like a xc bike.. i have gone from 30mm rise to 75 mm and now i feel more confident on little jumps.. thats what you want from a trailbike.

  • @wolkuz

    @wolkuz

    2 жыл бұрын

    I had this problem before. Got new bike Nicolai Eboxx its super big. fox38 stearer tube is uncut and no place for spacers, also running 60mm rise. Top of the bige is huge and fits me, im 203cm

  • @absterama
    @absterama3 жыл бұрын

    Super helpful, everything is falling into place now--thank you! I rented a demo, and I couldn't articulate (MTB speak :)) why it wasn't the right fit for me for the terrain I was riding on.

  • @MATH.77
    @MATH.773 жыл бұрын

    Hi dude. I'm running a 680mm TOSEEK carbon Rise Bar (18mm horizontally raised, 5 degrees backward) with TOSEEK 80mm (raised 6 degrees) carbon Stem on my 26inch MTB. It's really nice and I really enjoyed it. 😉

  • @borthwey
    @borthwey3 жыл бұрын

    If only things were as simple as you put them here... From my experience with a 29” bike with a 170mm fork, and coming from a long period with 26” bikes, I felt great with a zero rise bar and zero spacers on top of a flat headset. And this had nothing to do with how steep the terrain was. The factor that matters in that regard is stem length, and with a 31mm stem the fear of going over the bars was non-existent. I have been trying other setups more recently, including having the bar 40mm higher, and confirming that. I get no more confidence from a higher bar. Besides, the ability to pedal with a higher bar is not reduced, but increased. This is because even though the reach is reduced with more spacers, the rider area distance, that is, the distance from the bottom bracket to the grips, is increased. This is actually the true “reach”, more than the horizontal reach that only takes one dimension into consideration. Your rider area becomes more spacious whether you use a handlebar with more rise or raise the stem. Now, the thing about bar height for me is how much weight do you want your arms to support. I feel good bearing more weight on the arms and feel that I can control the front better. You’re riding more like a four legged animal, and with a higher bar you’re more “bipedal”. The “attack” ability is not influenced by this, though. So what is influenced? That is the question that I’ve been trying to answer. A more upright ride is less active, so one might become less tired, but I also miss that “action”. The mechanics are different, the way of working with the bike is different. Riding more upright is a bit “plainer” but I’ll try it a bit more to see if I get used to it because I like the increased rider area distance.

  • @namasaki1
    @namasaki13 жыл бұрын

    2019 Giant Trance E. 30mm of spacers and Spank 50mm rise bars

  • @Rev_John_Danger
    @Rev_John_Danger2 жыл бұрын

    I run a slammed 35mm stem, 80mm rise Deity bars, and a 150mm Yari on my San Quentin and it’s perfect for me. I’m 5’9.5” with a long torso and short legs. I ride trails in Texas so mostly flat/ flowy stuff with jumps and features. I love it.

  • @REVMuscleCars
    @REVMuscleCars3 жыл бұрын

    Great video! Thank you for the info and keep it coming. I am on a 26er XC bike w/a 100mm travel fork, and run a 6061 aluminum 710mm width, 5 rearward sweep, 6 upward sweep from Raceface. Just right for flats and climbs, a small adjustment of the PNW dropper on the technical downhills or dropping that post all the way for a bigger downhill run works wonders.

  • @alexlogan9279
    @alexlogan92793 жыл бұрын

    My wife and I are running 50mm rise Spank Spike bars and love them.

  • @passionwithouttalent5894

    @passionwithouttalent5894

    3 жыл бұрын

    Got those too and they've been nice and comfy. Plus I'm childish and it's funny to me when paired with my Funn headset it reads as spank funn

  • @thearoom

    @thearoom

    3 жыл бұрын

    I got those ready to go on... How are they around flat fast turns though? Do you guys ride fast or casual?

  • @passionwithouttalent5894

    @passionwithouttalent5894

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@thearoom I'm not fast but don't notice a difference between a riser ad a flat bar except the riser is more comfortable so I ride with that little more confidence

  • @jared_erickson
    @jared_erickson3 жыл бұрын

    I usually run a 20mm rise bar, but I do like the riding position of the higher rise bar... maybe I will try a 35mm rise next time!

  • @rolux4853

    @rolux4853

    3 жыл бұрын

    Go for it! I recently changed from a nearly flat Thompson Ti bar to a high rise sq labs bar. Also I got the shortest Renthal stem available for better maneuverability. The riding position got so much more comfortable and I’m way more confident on the bike! Even while ascending, but I guess that comes from the massive 16 deg backsweep of the SQ Labs bar. It gives me so much more power over the front of my bike, since my arm and shoulder position is now perfectly aligned. It almost feels like cheating! The only thing I regret, is that I haven’t discovered this earlier. From now on all my bikes will get the SQ Labs bars with the most backsweep and rise. I can’t believe I’ll say this, but the upgrades bars made more difference then getting a new fork. The level of control I gained is just insane. Someone who never tried such a „extreme“(considered by many in the bike industry) backsweep and a little higher rise won’t believe it. Now just a few more degrees of upsweep would be the next good step in the right direction.

  • @RiddleKingOnline
    @RiddleKingOnline3 жыл бұрын

    9:00 'Spacers vs high-rise' just answered all my questions and changed my life. I am 177cm, i.e. right between medium and large but larges are too big and spacers on my medium feel cramped. High rise will change everything.

  • @MW-jj1rn
    @MW-jj1rn3 жыл бұрын

    good info. I run 810 Protaper 3" rise bars. Specialized 2019 Levo - with the seat dropper I can adjust my attack angle to keep traction and not lift the front up too much in steep climbs. These help smash down hill runs fire trail, single track or technical areas.

  • @STLMTB
    @STLMTB Жыл бұрын

    Easy way to look at it. Downhill on Gnarly terrain, I want the best chance of not going face first into some rocks. Uphill, I could care f'n less, the speed is so slow the worst case scenario is I have to walk. Downhill, the worst case scenario is I eat rocks with my face. I will take the higher rise bars any day.

  • @dzastafahrai
    @dzastafahrai3 жыл бұрын

    @Worldwide Cyclery please do video about handlebar angles :)

  • @joshuadoss1955
    @joshuadoss19552 жыл бұрын

    No other KZread channel I sub to. Makes me laugh more consistently than yours Love the humor Oh yeah and that sweet sweet free info

  • @powertapping
    @powertapping3 жыл бұрын

    I ride an E bike and it presents different issues mostly because of the weight. I have already raised the bars to max but l still find it a big effort to get the front end up quickly. You r video is great I feel a30/ 35 rise is perfect for me at least I'll start there. I've subscribed and look forward to more good information.

  • @ericcosten5689
    @ericcosten56893 жыл бұрын

    You said intergalactic with such confidence I was gonna let it slide.

  • @WorldwideCyclery

    @WorldwideCyclery

    3 жыл бұрын

    Check 10:58 got ya 😁

  • @ericcosten5689

    @ericcosten5689

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@WorldwideCyclery intergalactic is all encompassing though. "Don't matter what planet you come from you go through US! We're intergalactic baby! "

  • @andresamson8859
    @andresamson88593 жыл бұрын

    Depends on your Stack height, also, you forgot to mention that when you have more rise in your handlebar, it affect your effective stem length, in fact it’s the equivalent to add spacer and put un longer stem to keep the same reach... so basically, start with your geo, and than adjust according to that

  • @MALBACHinc
    @MALBACHinc2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks man, this explains my fatigue, im a bit overweight and a bit tall. When i started to raise my seat to get a fuller leg stretch, I started to feel back pain fatigue, shoulder and elbow. and getting worse as i keep cycling everyday. I rode a Polygon sikiu6 with road tires as i cycle the same road for and hour and half exercising.

  • @Crushimwtf
    @Crushimwtf3 жыл бұрын

    I picked up the PNW Range bars and Loam grips in the Fruit Snacks flavor. They feel great! Thanks for the cockpit breakdown!

  • @dennispikephotography
    @dennispikephotography3 жыл бұрын

    I noticed “intergalactic” and I’m disappointed that’s not the actual name. Going to pick up those PNW bars in the next couple weeks. I have never heard a bad thing said about them. I love the dropper i have from them.

  • @WorldwideCyclery

    @WorldwideCyclery

    3 жыл бұрын

    Check the video at 10:58 😁

  • @gaboleo94
    @gaboleo943 жыл бұрын

    i dont know why i havent seen this video before; this is like all i needed to know thank you.

  • @238assante
    @238assante3 жыл бұрын

    I'm Commander Shepard and this is my favorite MTB channel on the Citadel.

  • @sundayblack
    @sundayblack3 жыл бұрын

    60mm spank for the BMX feel

  • @jonathanbrussee9494
    @jonathanbrussee94943 жыл бұрын

    The Intergalactic part was way funnier having already read the comments calling it out

  • @nickturner4150
    @nickturner41506 ай бұрын

    I like the bit with the goat. Brightened up my day.

  • @MrAntec300
    @MrAntec3002 жыл бұрын

    I feel beginners, like me, who uses their bike for commuting are more used to an upright position. Great video explaining the pros/cons!

  • @nortondlcl
    @nortondlcl3 жыл бұрын

    40mm Spank bars better for my 60 year old back 👍🏿

  • @patthewoodboy

    @patthewoodboy

    3 жыл бұрын

    I need to do this , running 10mm risers and its killing my 61 year old wrists

  • @dumbr2098

    @dumbr2098

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@patthewoodboy Burgtec bars are pretty affordable compared to other bars

  • @patthewoodboy

    @patthewoodboy

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@dumbr2098 putting on 30 mm risers from Renthal :-)

  • @denniscuba9552
    @denniscuba95523 жыл бұрын

    I understand your explanation about how adding spacers would reduce the reach. But can I further reduce my reach by simply rotating one of these high rise bars back slightly?

  • @BanjoDo

    @BanjoDo

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yeah that would work but I think youre better off with a shorter stem cause you dont wanna steer from behind the steerer tube

  • @brandonreimer184

    @brandonreimer184

    2 жыл бұрын

    Rotating bars back makes a more aggresive angle on the bars. Many riders put riser bars on to rotate forward and reduce pressure/ improve angle on the wrists/hands

  • @skullsroad3642
    @skullsroad36423 жыл бұрын

    I used to have a 50mm Spank bar, a 48mm spank stem, and a 10mm spacer under the stem. It made the bike really comfortable to pedal but really hard to corner. I switched to a 35mm raceface bar, a 50mm long, 5mm rise Anvl stem, and a 10mm spacer. Almost as comfortable to pedal but corners so much better.

  • @freeatlast1810
    @freeatlast18103 жыл бұрын

    Great video. Very well explained. I'm 6ft 6inches tall and definitely need a high rise bar

  • @Radke32
    @Radke323 жыл бұрын

    Nice haircut 👌🏼

  • @mattleonard5268
    @mattleonard52683 жыл бұрын

    I think 25mm rise is the best rise for pretty much every bike in most conditions

  • @jeremylee6262
    @jeremylee62623 жыл бұрын

    This is exactly the info I've needed. a lot of lower back pain. I do ride a XC bike. Thankn u for the info.

  • @sethmcfarland1083
    @sethmcfarland10833 жыл бұрын

    I'm running the Tumbleweed Persuader bars. 50 mil rise and 30 degree sweep. Fixed lower back pain on long days. Also has a nice flat front for hanging bags from.

  • @thehorizontries4759
    @thehorizontries47592 жыл бұрын

    Why didn’t you talk about like 50, 60, and 70mm??

  • @reallybigphilly
    @reallybigphilly2 жыл бұрын

    I am considering high rise bars not for climbing or descending, but to better fit my overall body position. I am 6'6", and while saddle height is usually no issue, bar height is not adjustable and usually laid out for someone in the middle of the frame size's target audience (where I am on the extreme end). Meaning that I am - at least in theory - leaning forward more than would be recommended for a recreational rider like myself. Did a bikefit with my new fullsus recently with a physical therapist, and we found my handlebars were about 30-40mm lower than they should be. But as with most things, instead of focusing on a single metric the overall system must be considered, and despite the somewhat low handlebar we did conclude that my CoG was nicely above the bottom bracket, so the first order of business is to get some long-ish rides in. If I get a sore back, we need to add a riser bar.

  • @10thmountainvet
    @10thmountainvet3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for finally addressing us with bad backs!

  • @qjarman7753
    @qjarman7753 Жыл бұрын

    I want to raise the bars on my Tero to ease the pressure on my wrists and lower back (I’m 62). Having watched this I’m deffo going for replacement bars. Great video by the way 👍

  • @dannypryordoyle2710
    @dannypryordoyle27103 жыл бұрын

    Intergalactic is so much cooler though. Sorry about the fingy Jeff.

  • @WorldwideCyclery

    @WorldwideCyclery

    3 жыл бұрын

    It is! Check 10:58 😉

  • @user-fr2io9hj2d
    @user-fr2io9hj2d3 жыл бұрын

    8:36 The national intergalactic cycling association.

  • @WorldwideCyclery

    @WorldwideCyclery

    3 жыл бұрын

    Check 10:58 got ya 😁

  • @juliog907
    @juliog9073 жыл бұрын

    That’s the reason I lifted the front end because lower back pain,170 fork and a 40 renthal bar.my rides are usually 8-10 miles and that helped lots.

  • @renemens24
    @renemens242 жыл бұрын

    thanks for the video! Im riding a Scott Spark 950 and was looking for a way to make it feel a bit more like a trail- instead of an XC bike. bought a 30mm rise and a slightly shorter stem (60mm). feels more confident on the way down! And looks way cooler :) Thanks!!

  • @diegokleinman8774
    @diegokleinman87743 жыл бұрын

    ... national intergalactic cycling association ?? lol who they racing against, aliens?

  • @WorldwideCyclery

    @WorldwideCyclery

    3 жыл бұрын

    Aliens and spaceships! Check 10:58 got ya 😁

  • @gatoryak7332

    @gatoryak7332

    3 жыл бұрын

    We are all aliens somewhere.

  • @TravelWithLinAndBilly
    @TravelWithLinAndBilly3 жыл бұрын

    3:10 😂😂😂 🐐

  • @hardmtnbiker
    @hardmtnbiker3 жыл бұрын

    This is great information, very clear and relative to matching the bike riders needs with the Geo of the bike. I also like the reference to PNW, I don’t own their handlebars but like the fact that they are 31.8 diameter. I’m 160# and I have always felt that 35mm bars are overkill and too stiff for my single speed and hardtail trail bikes.

  • @mtbrider8286
    @mtbrider82863 жыл бұрын

    I didn't notice the hair, but I did catch the NICA mix up. I'm a MTB coach through NICA in Oregon and it's amazing what all they do for getting kids on bikes, setting up races, and encouraging them to push themselves.

  • @paultorres4866
    @paultorres48663 жыл бұрын

    This is an "old" trend coming around again.

  • @blazerman61

    @blazerman61

    3 жыл бұрын

    About time someone said that!!🙋🙋😎

  • @sdqsdq6274

    @sdqsdq6274

    3 жыл бұрын

    its not trend, bikes just look better with rise bar

  • @blazerman61

    @blazerman61

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@sdqsdq6274 ..hence a trend ...

  • @miguelandrade199

    @miguelandrade199

    3 жыл бұрын

    but then why the low rise became a thing meanwhile?

  • @TheCharleseye

    @TheCharleseye

    3 жыл бұрын

    I didn't know it ever left. I've always run a higher rise bar and never noticed a reduction of fellow "high bar" riders at the trails. That's at least 23 years of "trend" as far as I know.

  • @JamesRobertMTB
    @JamesRobertMTB3 жыл бұрын

    If it feels comfy, run it

  • @ljfpsgaming
    @ljfpsgaming2 жыл бұрын

    thank you very intuitive I have a mild scoliosis and I'm having trouble with my bike when riding long rides, this is very helpful for me!!!

  • @Pesmog

    @Pesmog

    2 жыл бұрын

    In addition to what was said about riser bars and spacers in the video, fitting a shorter handlebar stem and sliding the seat forward on its rails may also assist in optimising your position to reduce the pain. Getting it right could take multiple rides and lots of experimentation though. Best of luck..

  • @QUACKERBACKER101
    @QUACKERBACKER1013 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the video guys! I push my bike up half the time anyway...checkin pnw bars now

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