Higgs Boson and the 2013 Nobel Prize in Physics - Sixty Symbols

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The 2013 Nobel Prize in Physics goes to François Englert and Peter Higgs - but who missed out and what will happen with future prizes?
Discussed by Professor Ed Copeland and Professor Mike Merrifield from the University of Nottingham.
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  • @waterproofcat1
    @waterproofcat110 жыл бұрын

    I think that guy's adorableness deserves the peace prize

  • @JarodBenowitz
    @JarodBenowitz10 жыл бұрын

    Feynman's take on the Nobel Prize is spot on. Can you really compare the awe of unveiling the nature of our universe with some arbitrary prize?

  • @aragon1237

    @aragon1237

    6 жыл бұрын

    The prize itself has a meaning. That he achieved something great. Its not something to look at and say what a beautiful prize but to show you that the person who got it has done something big.

  • @Prophet_Isaiah

    @Prophet_Isaiah

    Жыл бұрын

    @@aragon1237 you're both right!

  • @PojkenMedKepsen
    @PojkenMedKepsen10 жыл бұрын

    The look on his face when he enters the room at LHC is just priceless! :) Great video Brady! If I could give it ten likes, I would.

  • @michielr1aert
    @michielr1aert5 жыл бұрын

    being part of the sixty symbols chanel is like the collective reward equivalent of receiving the Nobel prise.

  • @Valentulous
    @Valentulous10 жыл бұрын

    "The prize is the pleasure of finding the thing out, the kick in the discovery, the observation of people using it. Those are the real things, the honours are unreal to me." Richard P. Feynman

  • @R0DGES
    @R0DGES10 жыл бұрын

    Peter Hiigs came to Durham uni today and gave a lecture about the history of his work. Amazing work.

  • @onecanina
    @onecanina10 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for another awesome video Brady. Few days ago I complained for not enough sixty symbols videos! Professor Ed and Mike are my favorites too! good work

  • @PopeLando
    @PopeLando10 жыл бұрын

    I think the Nobel committee's attitude is as follows: a certain number of scientists working together made a discovery. We honour (this is very simplified) a maximum of three living scientists and we try to make it based on priority of publication. There isn't a queueing system whereby if some authors of earlier papers drop out of the list of winners due to death, their places are taken by people who published their work later. Therefore the people waiting to be honoured (waiting for the evidence to confirm their theories) for the mass mechanism have always been, in order, Englert and Brout, and Higgs, and in terms of priority Kibble, Guralnik and Hagen never made the cut. This did not change when Brout died, consquently Englert and Higgs get the prize. It's always been like this - Penzias and Wilson discovered a background radiation they couldn't explain until they talked to cosmologists who had made finding the Cosmic Microwave Background their lives' work. But P & W published their discovery first so it could then be cited in multitudes of papers by the actual cosmologists. Penzias & Wilson won the Nobel, not the cosmologists, because of priority.

  • @Czeckie
    @Czeckie10 жыл бұрын

    Prof. Merrifield - straight to the point, pragmatical and rational. "As scientists we have our responsibility, not only to discover stuff but to tell the world what's the stuff we discovered". I've never thought about Nobel Prizes as some achievement awards or competitions, it's just a great PR for science - and it's doing its job very well, better than every other science popularization project i can think of.

  • @sixtysymbols
    @sixtysymbols10 жыл бұрын

    we traditionally do it on the day, but this was not possible this year because the guy who makes the videos was travelling!

  • @Duncan_Idaho_Potato
    @Duncan_Idaho_Potato10 жыл бұрын

    Sixty Symbols has done many videos about the Higgs mechanism. Search the channel. This video is specifically about this year's Nobel prize winners.

  • @heyandy889
    @heyandy88910 жыл бұрын

    great honesty from Mike at the end; definitely matters whose shoes you are walking in.

  • @skakdosmer
    @skakdosmer Жыл бұрын

    The all-important instrumentalists in the orchestra are rarely even mentioned. Only the composer, the conductor and, possibly, the arranger are lauded. That's just the way it is.

  • @zing0a0ding
    @zing0a0ding10 жыл бұрын

    Great insight on the awarding process for the noble prize. I really liked this video (:

  • @Starchface
    @Starchface10 жыл бұрын

    We can find out to whom the prize was awarded and for what in any number of ways, but only here do we get to hear the perspective of The Professors. Too bad there isn't a Nobel Prize for astronomy. Great video, Brady.

  • @MrBGeonzon
    @MrBGeonzon10 жыл бұрын

    I'd want to know if Professor Ed Copeland and Professor Mike Merrifield had the choice to decide who got the noble prize for a different discovery/work in physics who would they give it to.

  • @WilliamAndrews0
    @WilliamAndrews010 жыл бұрын

    because they have been working on the same subject for years and came to the same conclussions, they just read the paper of higgs and englert while they were finishing their publication and found some similarities, so they cited them in their paper. they probably didn't call it the Higgs mechanism though.

  • @arcadesj
    @arcadesj10 жыл бұрын

    Merrifield explains the purpose of the Nobel prize well in this video. Props.

  • @zcmini000
    @zcmini00010 жыл бұрын

    Hey Brady, what ever happened to the women of Sixty Symbols? I was just watching some of your older videos and I almost forgot how much I loved Dr Gray and Dr Bauer!

  • @notexactlypaul
    @notexactlypaul10 жыл бұрын

    There are already quite a few videos on this channel about the Higgs, LHC, etc.

  • @Snowboarder54688
    @Snowboarder5468810 жыл бұрын

    FINALLY!!! The month long wait is over!!!!

  • @Chriva
    @ChrivaАй бұрын

    The man will be missed. One of the last and best of that generation

  • @hos84688
    @hos8468810 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for your reply. Good luck.

  • @IRisingFuryI
    @IRisingFuryI10 жыл бұрын

    Hey Brady, are you having fun linking all your KZread channels with their Google+ accounts? :P

  • @Calzour
    @Calzour10 жыл бұрын

    Surely these big organisations like CERN can host their own kind of awards, not an official one or anything like that but surely they could reward their research teams, because the idea of the Nobel prize wouldn't fit giving it to a group, but you can reward a group and the organisation is the thing to do it

  • @colt4667
    @colt466710 жыл бұрын

    The man who formulated Preparation A, Preparation B, Preparation C, Preparation D, Preparation E, Preparation F and Preparation G never got any credit for his work. He paved the way for Preparation H !!! Poor man died penniless, alone and forgotten.

  • @onopono905
    @onopono90510 жыл бұрын

    What is this 'The Archive' that he is talking about in the video? Sounds very interesting!

  • @anorakksche
    @anorakksche10 жыл бұрын

    love the last bit ;)

  • @mnkyman66332
    @mnkyman6633210 жыл бұрын

    I think the fact of the matter is that those deserving scientists already have their recognition within the physics community. I think most of them believe that that is enough. I would certainly be satisfied if I earned widespread respect within my field, even if it did not come with more public acknowledgment.

  • @NotAmour
    @NotAmour10 жыл бұрын

    I don't get why people are disliking your comment... If anything, you're a loyal sub for knowing that, and asking politely.

  • @jhobbz45
    @jhobbz4510 жыл бұрын

    Explain those three papers and part of the story sixtysymbols!

  • @j9312
    @j931210 жыл бұрын

    Why is it the higgs field if englert first wrote a paper? or do the frenchies call it 'le champ de Englert'?

  • @bartman999

    @bartman999

    8 жыл бұрын

    +j9312 Englert is Belgian, not French.

  • @NeedsEvidence

    @NeedsEvidence

    8 жыл бұрын

    If I'm not mistaken, Peter Higgs was actually the first to predict a particle resulting from the theoretical mechanism he and the other five colleagues developed. In fact, Higgs' first draft of the paper was rejected by the journal. After he added a concrete prediction of a particle in the second draft, the paper was accepted. Hence the association of the field (and the corresponding particle) to his name.

  • @mignik01
    @mignik0110 жыл бұрын

    there is a video on the higgs mechanism in the same channel.

  • @CaribSurfKing1
    @CaribSurfKing110 жыл бұрын

    What this shows you is that the famous names in science would have been replaced by others within a short time

  • @Fiercesoulking
    @Fiercesoulking10 жыл бұрын

    I have a strange question, has somebody ever checked what happens with the higs-field under the circumstances of expanding space like it does between galaxies?

  • @Noovil25
    @Noovil2510 жыл бұрын

    Professor Copeland is so soft-spoken..got to pay more attention when he speaks,but he is very sweet :)

  • @galaxia4709
    @galaxia470910 жыл бұрын

    I know, but a case can be made that it should be.

  • @thrillscience
    @thrillscience10 жыл бұрын

    Martyn Poliakoff should have won.

  • @Illu07

    @Illu07

    7 жыл бұрын

    I believe, he won it in chemestry.

  • @AltarenGalil
    @AltarenGalil10 жыл бұрын

    4:18 that look of pure joy

  • @PawlOwl
    @PawlOwl10 жыл бұрын

    is the second dudes shirt inside out? if it is he must be brilliant in whatever field he is working in.

  • @djfoo000
    @djfoo00010 жыл бұрын

    Footage feels different. New camera?

  • @Radditz770
    @Radditz77010 жыл бұрын

    Soo what did they do to get the nobel prize? As far as I understood, the only thing they spoke of was how they got the nobel prize in 1964, or am I missing something?

  • @booodan
    @booodan10 жыл бұрын

    oh Brady...

  • @iammaxhailme
    @iammaxhailme10 жыл бұрын

    Fields medal videos?

  • @VercJames
    @VercJames10 жыл бұрын

    Please Make A Video About Tree Theory!

  • @volleydrop
    @volleydrop10 жыл бұрын

    No, the peace price isn't the same as the science prices. Norway was given the peace price from Sweden when Sweden gave Norway its independence as a gesture of good faith. Since then, the peace price has a totally different organisation and rules for giving out the price.

  • @j9312
    @j931210 жыл бұрын

    Feynman's position on the Nobel Prize seems to be the most noble stance to take. Scientific advancement of our race is the only honor we need be concerned with. But I sympathize. It would be nice to get a nobel prize.

  • @DrDeeDot
    @DrDeeDot10 жыл бұрын

    Ed, I know Hagen (University of Rochester, USA), and he always got grumpy when others referred to this work as the Higgs mechanism. I think Hagen's proposed name for it was the EBHGHK mechanism as an acronym of the last initials of the six authors.That name may have been difficult to pronounce.

  • @vtnmraper
    @vtnmraper10 жыл бұрын

    I think he's referring to Ed's sore eye... if it was sore or...?

  • @NikiHerl
    @NikiHerl10 жыл бұрын

    beautiful ^^

  • @ltericdavis2237
    @ltericdavis223710 жыл бұрын

    I am just wondering, why do why call it the Higgs mechanism? I rather doubt Higgs refferred to it by his name in his paper. Why did we just name it after one of the people working on it?

  • @JohnMasseria
    @JohnMasseria10 жыл бұрын

    Why isn't the Nobel prize awarded posthumously? That doesn't seem fair!

  • @headkraber
    @headkraber10 жыл бұрын

    Brout got R.I.P. award.

  • @BodyDisposalable
    @BodyDisposalable10 жыл бұрын

    Honestly, I used to think that people who won the nobel thought of the idea themselves. Until I watch this video.

  • @Madzarzour
    @Madzarzour10 жыл бұрын

    Why is there discussion of who won and not the actual physics? Very disappointing.

  • @nikolatasevski8015
    @nikolatasevski801510 жыл бұрын

    Brady,please do a video about the fluid physics :D

  • @jakeyden1234
    @jakeyden123410 жыл бұрын

    Totally didn't want to hear about any science when I clicked on this video....NOY

  • @sniffy6999999
    @sniffy699999910 жыл бұрын

    C'mon boy's. His name is Brady - let's give HIM the recognition he deserves. lol.

  • @galaxia4709
    @galaxia470910 жыл бұрын

    Yes, and why can't they name Brout as one of the nobel prize winners posthumous?

  • @Gregdave
    @Gregdave10 жыл бұрын

    I would have liked to hear more the the facts first, and then heard the other 50% other who should have won information. Although I agree, more should have been recognized in the Nobel Prize.

  • @alpha7424
    @alpha74244 жыл бұрын

    what about 2017 and 2016??

  • @ITFAE
    @ITFAE10 жыл бұрын

    great ending, so true

  • @won1853
    @won185310 жыл бұрын

    You're talking about the Nobel Peace Prize.

  • @iabervon
    @iabervon10 жыл бұрын

    "To award this year's prize, we got the thousands of physicists who worked on this project out of bed in the middle of the night, herded them into a room the size of a high-school gymnasium, and did a sort of reverse Rutherford experiment. The three scientists who got (hit by) the Nobel prize for demonstrating the existence of the Higgs Boson are..."

  • @ltericdavis2237
    @ltericdavis223710 жыл бұрын

    Yeah, but still, why? Ad why not any of the other guys?

  • @nilminiwijerathne6589
    @nilminiwijerathne658910 жыл бұрын

    If I was Higgs or Englert, I would get a mechanic to split the medal into 4, and give each person one of the 4 pieces and keep 1 for myself.

  • @findebrosse
    @findebrosse10 жыл бұрын

    What if you were that 4th person?..

  • @hjembrentkent6181

    @hjembrentkent6181

    7 жыл бұрын

    There would be three murders mouahahahah

  • @vtnmraper
    @vtnmraper10 жыл бұрын

    they are in deep sky videos if i'm not mistaking

  • @davidsweeney111
    @davidsweeney11110 жыл бұрын

    I have more than a passing interest in physics!

  • @Neura1net
    @Neura1net10 жыл бұрын

    It's like Santa Claus taking a vacation on Christmas. It makes the kids cry.

  • @nn101198
    @nn10119810 жыл бұрын

    So, wait, if Guralnik Hagen and Kibble read Higgs and Englert's paper before submitting their own, how could they have discovered the Higgs mechanism? They'd already read a paper on it

  • @SirDrinksAlot69
    @SirDrinksAlot6910 жыл бұрын

    I totally agree with not making the Nobel Prize as a corporate excellence award. My office has a whole display case for them and I don't think anyone gives it any thought, It's just a thing on a wall full of trinkets.

  • @y0ng833
    @y0ng83310 жыл бұрын

    love the last question and ans hahahahahaha

  • @davidsweeney111
    @davidsweeney11110 жыл бұрын

    also congrats to those that won the (lesser) Physics Frontiers Prizes and New Horizons in Physics Prizes fundamentalphysicsprize(dot)or­g/news7

  • @Varak8e
    @Varak8e10 жыл бұрын

    Oh!! missed it again. hmm........

  • @onesagotoomany
    @onesagotoomany10 жыл бұрын

    But surely giving it to individuals perpetuates the Great Men of Science problem.

  • @ghislainruy-longepe7408
    @ghislainruy-longepe74088 жыл бұрын

    The really funny thing is the green book in the back ground. English humour I presume

  • @ghislainruy-longepe7408

    @ghislainruy-longepe7408

    8 жыл бұрын

    ***** you could not find a better reply. Please put also the Bible and you shall reach the highest level of admiration and understanding.

  • @vicplichota

    @vicplichota

    8 жыл бұрын

    +Ghislain Ruy-Longépé "The CMS of Creation"? :-)

  • @philandros3195
    @philandros319510 жыл бұрын

    The guy? Being Brady?

  • @beayn
    @beayn10 жыл бұрын

    I think they have covered the science in another video.

  • @KKMan20xx
    @KKMan20xx10 жыл бұрын

    good point guys, Nobel prizes show not be given to a large collective but should go to individuals.

  • @Linkedblade
    @Linkedblade10 жыл бұрын

    Why can't they give the prize to Bout's family?

  • @nikolamilivojevic6004
    @nikolamilivojevic600410 жыл бұрын

    hehe true, even englert got some charisma going for him. higgs is just the serious type of scientist.. and it takes all kinds! :D

  • @Superphilipp
    @Superphilipp10 жыл бұрын

    neat.

  • @MarcMan-
    @MarcMan-10 жыл бұрын

    better late then never, especially with this videos =D

  • @kierachell.
    @kierachell.10 жыл бұрын

    Cornell Library runs arxiv(dot)org. Where everyone sends their pre-published papers nowadays.

  • @hos84688
    @hos8468810 жыл бұрын

    this video is too late, last year your video was faster,why?

  • @staomruel
    @staomruel10 жыл бұрын

    How is this marked as spam? It's an honest question, met with a funny answer.

  • @Ace0077
    @Ace007710 жыл бұрын

    if I was one of those 3 guys, I'd share with the other two

  • @galaxia4709
    @galaxia470910 жыл бұрын

    Disappointed in you :( It is the higgs-englert-brout mechanism (and not the higgs like you said)! And it should have been the Englert-Brout Boson

  • @Zolbat
    @Zolbat10 жыл бұрын

    I love how everybody is mad at Brady

  • @vtnmraper
    @vtnmraper10 жыл бұрын

    After reading through the comments I have an idea: A top 10 of most inappropriate comments on scientific videos What does the nobel peace prize have to do with scientific acknowledgement?

  • @namitpal915

    @namitpal915

    5 жыл бұрын

    acknowledgment!!!! If Einstein was staying alone on Mars he would have never gone into deep thoughts!! There would be no one to acknowledge his work. Nobel Prize is the highest!

  • @TomFoster1996
    @TomFoster199610 жыл бұрын

    Yes while this is generally true I lead you to the 1926 medicine prize which was given to a guy who discovered a parasite that caused cancer he was the disproven soon after the prize was awarded.

  • @tabularasa0606
    @tabularasa060610 жыл бұрын

    I'm sure it isn't what Nobel intended when he wrote his will.

  • @freeguitarmusic665
    @freeguitarmusic66510 жыл бұрын

    Guess they should give these "third" prizes to "crowd sources." ;)

  • @Radditz770
    @Radditz77010 жыл бұрын

    Y-yes, there is, but he's talking about people breaking through in 1964. Why would they get a prize today? >.>

  • @chmis3
    @chmis310 жыл бұрын

    It really makes me sad that so many people who deserved Nobel price didn't get it because of some stupid rules. Also, I feel like the price itself lost its importance along the way. How can you take serious a committee that notices great peace of work half a century after it's been published, when many people who worked on it already passed away?

  • @Glatorix
    @Glatorix10 жыл бұрын

    Am I the only one who gets a really weird feeling when Prof. Ed talks?

  • @erlandodk
    @erlandodk10 жыл бұрын

    You don't seriously believe that the Peace prize and the Physics prize is awarded by the same people..?

  • @sciencoking
    @sciencoking10 жыл бұрын

    Well yeah, but that's coming from the guy who could hardly be cooler. To us mortals, it matters quite a bit :P

  • @vtnmraper
    @vtnmraper10 жыл бұрын

    Uhm is it just me or professor Ed's left eye is somehow sore?

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