What amazes me about Wayland is after 15 years, it’s still experimental!

@AndersJackson

Ай бұрын

And still doesn't have the features from X11.

@HeroicMushroom

24 күн бұрын

@@AndersJackson And still don't work well with Nvidia cards.

@aintnochange

8 күн бұрын

@@HeroicMushroom works pretty well on Fedora

DT is one of the only linux youtubers who doesn't make me feel like a crazy person when it comes to Wayland

Hey WT, Isn't it neat how Microsoft will use your data to train their built-in Copilot AI to know which ads are best suited for you to be shown on your start menu ?

Yup I agree on Warp Terminal. An account needed is a non-starter for me too. I did try it, and it wasn't that great for my work flow. Plus the number of queries is very limited on the free tier. So they want you to pay for a subscription

@internallyinteral

Ай бұрын

Warp Terminal is NOT the way

@KindStarWonder

Ай бұрын

GPT 3.5 in browser is really all I need to generate a template for code when starting on something or to answer random questions I have when interested in a side consideration.

@cybernit3

Ай бұрын

Also I noticed you only get like 40 AI queries per day or month, and the headache of signing up. Google Gemini is sort of good and free for basic needs.

Happy 😊 to see DT made my question as video title. Thanks.

Bash/Readline allows you to show the tab complete too! Just open the ~/.inputrc file and enter "set show-all-if-ambiguous on" and "set show-all-if-unmodified on"

DT, I agree 100% with your take on AI. As long as the implementation is open-source, I don't see why it should be used in programs (where it makes sense, obviously.) The benefits to some workflows, particularly programming, are undeniable.

@KindStarWonder

Ай бұрын

I think AI integration is philosophically antithetical to Arch, but I see no reason to not develop the option. Ppl do what they want with their computers.

@balsalmalberto8086

Ай бұрын

Running opensource AI locally, privately, offline on your own hardware and under your own control is something I'm looking forward too.

@valdimer11

Ай бұрын

​​@@KindStarWonderI've completely integrated AI into my Arch setup and it's absolutely game changing. There are 3, I believe open source LLMs you can use and on their own, they aren't very good but using them on tandem or with an multi agent setup is pretty powerful. Plus, thanks to Arch's ability to run light distros it utilizes barely any resources, and is lightning fast. I'm not a fan of full integration, though. Like you said Arch is built how YOU want it. But I think having some default packages ready to use would be handy

Just out here assembling PVC conduit with DT in my earbuds.

@internallyinteral

Ай бұрын

Living your best DT related life

@KindStarWonder

Ай бұрын

That's beautiful.

Warp also has telemetry .. dont know if they ever removed it

18:58 thanks for the sensible answer. I'm a Wayland user but the beauty of Linux is that anyone can use the tools that want. The best system is the one that gives you the best results for your own work.

My biggest gripe with Fish is that it tries to open your web browser when you type the 'help' command. Yeah... if you are in a TTY, or your system is low on RAM, good luck!

Thanks for the vid. I'm all in on more Doom Emacs!

I'm not quite "won't sign up for an account" but I'm certainly not doing it for a terminal. Also fish shell is awesome, I switched to it literally just weeks ago and I love it.

Thanks for your EMacs videos. They were essential for my switch to org mode. I could not be happier with EMacs org mode and all the benefits of doom eMacs and a lisp interpreter.

Re: DTOS Thank you for the update ! I am looking forward to trying it. I use the ARCO package for DTOS Erik made but I am looking forward to using the 'real' DTOS. :)

Still team Xorg here. I've had a look at Hyprland on Wayland, and while it's nice, I don't see any killer feature that would do away with dwm. I'm actually about to rewrite and update my suckless builds. 😎 I wrote a similar comment on a video by Brodie, and someone replied »Eventually, we will have better wms and DEs on Wayland«. Yeah, _eventually_ , like in 20 years, when Wayland will be as old as Xorg is now. So why the fuss? And who says that newer is always better to begin with? I'm still on Thunderbird 102 on purpose, since I really don't enjoy the look and feel of »Supernova«, and there's really no way to make it look like older versions of TB. IMO, TB 102 has reached the peak of UI perfection with version 102. Why change that? Unfortunately, there's no other email client good enough to convince me to switch, and terminal clients don't work with modern 2FA. Great. 😑

I agree with you DT, the best cheat sheets are the ones that you make for yourself. If you have to think about what you are putting into a document that you are writing, it helps those points stick better in your mind

Hi DT, Thanks for answering my question, the reason you use X11 makes ton of sense. I personally started using QTILE with wayland backend, and as you mentoned it is experimental, and I face lot of issues though I am on INTEL, but as devs and community are active, they fix issues blazingly fast.

Hey, DT! Can you do a deep video on( slab vs cache vs swap &&|| sysV and inittab vs systemd and UNITs ) Also, glad you answered the questions you did answer (fish, X11 vs Wayland).

omg so happy to see my emacs comment on here! plzzz make some more i feel like such a noob with it still!

Hey DT, thanks very much for you insights on Wayland, I just wanted to try it out, but I kind of regret it now

Amazing that we can now run quite good (quasi) open source LLMs on a weak Linux computer like mine without having to wait minutes.

Hey DT, love your videos. I'm sure you know - I am one of those noobs to Linux - but NVIDIA are releasing driver update 555 to support Explicit Sync next week. I am a NVIDIAxWayland user and hyped for it!

DT: "I will never install software that asks me to set up a account" Also DT 5 minutes later: "I'm fine with AI on Linux"

the WT video was nice, enjoyed it

hey DT, have you tried of Veloren?

On next April 1st another funny section could be MT for MacTube or iT for iOSTube hahaha Btw I've learned a lot of Linux environment since I started to watch your videos. Thanks for your work. Peace!!✌

i just switched to an amd card for wayland lol, i hear you loud and clear im still a noobie only been on linux for like 1.5 years

I am using Wayland on my Debian 12 gnome desktop. :) it's ready for me. I'm really glad to hear DT is doing good. For me, I know the wolf is at my door, so I exercise my second amendment.

Hey DT: Great video! Just wanted to point out that at least for *BSD OS's that they wait on adoption of new software (like Wayland) until it becomes proven according to their policies. I love the stability of those systems, but in general their space is definitely servers as opposed to desktops.

i have mx150 nvidia graphic card with ubuntu 22.04. i heard 24.04 is wayland, so is it ok for me to upgrade to 24.04 or should i just stick with 22.04 because of my old nvidia graphic card.

Thanks for sharing (from a Mac OS user) :)

Hey, DT! You've talked about Fish a lot for your terminal shell. Would ever do a comparison video between Fish and Nushell? I know you have videos on both but your Nushell one was several years ago.

@ 4:02 Having a separate file to follow along for terminal command line instruction. I have always set DT on the browser on one workspace and my own terminal open in another workspace. I may try to learn how to have my terminal open on another monitor or even another computer and monitor. I have two older, meaning ancient computers that I have been able to bring back to service with DT's help and others. Heu thanks DT.

@truthislam6481

Ай бұрын

Maybe this could be a suggestion for you DT. Ask us students of yours to send in descriptions of our journeys out of the darkness and gloom of WinDoze into the sunshine of Linux including specific ways your videos have helped us.

17:50 DT about 'your favorite DEs arent wayland yet'... Xfce and lxqt using i3wm is great, hope to see them working with sway late 2024. Its a very good midterm in messing in the twm text configs and in the DE gui config. Anyway, im on x11 because devuan isnt pipewire ready yet, in debian my sway test was stable since last year... with noveau lol so i see why youre still x11 (nvidea). Many viewers may ask you to try again because your only wayland review (manjaro sway) is outdated by now!

You could make a temp email or alternative email. I do it all the time, but I agree with your reasons for not wanting to give out your information. It's pretty typical among the propriety windows world so it's second nature for average windows users to cough up their private information and install malicious programs.

You are absolutely corrct with Wayland. It's really nice and smooth experience with wayland but it's not ready. I am running Tuxedo OS on my Tuxedo Pulse but it has huge bugs with UI

Hey DT, what happened to your Gopher and Gemini sites?

When it comes to the Warp Terminal, we need to take an open source terminal and integrate a downloadable LLM that is independent from the internet. It will not collect data and does not require a logon. There are plenty of LLMs out there available even for commercial use.

Ah, I just can't use Wayland. There are a lot of bugs and problems preventing me to do it. Like problem with global shortcuts for example.

Wayland is the correct display server like how Rust is the correct programming language. After many years on linux, I'm getting comfortable with X and it's quirks. Finally can solve most issues with ancient nVidia graphics cards on OS upgrades. It will take some time for me to be comfortable switching to Wayland only to experience more churn. One day I will try Rust too. But it all takes time and I rather stick to what I know for now.

Hyprland on NVIDIA is apparently quite good. I would say that Wayland is 99% of the way there.

@NeverTrust298

Ай бұрын

Yeah I run hyprland with Wayland and Nvidia GPU works fine screen tearing is inexistent

@oglothenerd

Ай бұрын

@@NeverTrust298 :D

@starsetknight

Ай бұрын

I've had a couple issues running the same thing but in general I def agree

@atemoc

Ай бұрын

Using Hyprland from the unstable branch of NixOS on NixOS stable, with an NVIDIA GPU. The only problems I have are with some Xwayland programs and Electron programs. That's about it.

@oglothenerd

Ай бұрын

@@atemoc Ah, NixOS. I both love it and hate it.

I will probably switch to Wayland when AutoKey supports it, which it doesn't, yet.

As for AI in Linux and "there is no good or evil software", it depends on how much of the "element of free will" there is in such software. I know this may sound abstract, but it isn't.

@KindStarWonder

Ай бұрын

So if the AI runs on your computer, it's a daemon and you are trading mem/cpu for some convenience. If the AI is a foreign agency (runs remotely), you have introduced a potentially unpredictable user. So it's counter to minimalism and concise optimization or it's bad security practice. That's my take. It's a pretty potentially dangerous interaction in the second scenario either accidentally or from a clandestine context.

Hey DT, I have no idea why this is but all Linux DISTROS have a problem for me. The problem is windows audio adjustments. If I disable them in windows, I get the same audio quality as Linux but I want to copy them over. It is provided by my manufacturer. I also have an issue where Linux will absolutely cap my internet speed to 3mb/s when connected to my personal hotspot. (Doesn't happen when connected to my wifi.) Please provide a fix.

Derek, as a fellow Derek, *A.I. Is the greatest hype in human history. It eats Shiba and Doggy Koin for breakfast!* warp repo was hilarious way back.

👍

The Wayland shills are not trolls. They are Wayland promoters in search of beta testers for the buggy software. If big channels like yours switch then maybe a significant amount of your followers and viewers might switch too, which means lots of new beta testers. Don't always assume trolling, some commentators have ulterior motives.

@dancom6030

Ай бұрын

Lol actually schizophrenia

I still use X11, wayland flickered and made the edges of my monitors look wierd...

Biggest problem and reason I dont use x11 (and lots of others) is the multimonitor refreshrate issue. If I had same refresh monitors I would not care about x11 or wayland.

Hey DT can you talk about openSUSE and its goodness ?

@chrisfromgreece

Ай бұрын

you mean to talk about its Godness .

@williamjp7352

Ай бұрын

OpenSuse Aeon is excellent

@plutorocks1

Ай бұрын

@@chrisfromgreece Nah we don’t worship an OS

@plutorocks1

Ай бұрын

@@williamjp7352 You bet! Been a Kalpa testers for some time

12:12 - Nobody believed that. Come on WT...

the wayland not being ready thing is only really true on nvidia on intel/amd is is good

Yeah i roll my eyes everytime i see some new product with ai integration

“Hey DT” section has become “Het dt why don’t you do what I do”

dt you are a smart man

QGIS doesn't work on Wayland. Some software will take time to be rewritten and others may never get there.

Just updated my NVIDIA Arch and booted into what looked like a 300x200 KDE environment. Took me 2 hours to figure out the default was changed to Wayland (and an X11 toggle on SDDM). Changed the kernel param for drm and it's been a flashing mess. What a stupid idea that was.

@darthcabs

Ай бұрын

Yeah, I recently bought a gaming rig and was absolutely shocked to see that NVIDIA and Wayland are so conflicting. It is about to change in the coming months with the new nvidia driver though, at least so it appears

@shinnou1

Ай бұрын

@@darthcabs we shall see sir.

I don't think Solaris and the BSDs will be enough to sustain X11. Yes, X11 will have a large userbase for a long time to come, but the pool of developers and maintainers for X11 is already running dry. When the X11 maintainers themselves are all switching to Wayland because X11 is unmaintainable, this is not a situation that can be solved by having new community members step up to try to replace the existing maintainers. As for positive reasons to switch to Wayland, battery life, gestures, and smooth animations top the list. Kinetic scrolling is a big quality of life improvement for me.

coming from i3, I use wayland and nvidia. It is working here

fish as the default shell is one hot take

Just my take but I personally don't like the idea of having a compositer and window manager being the same thing. I liked the modularity of xorg. I also liked that each window manager didn't have it's own implementation of a protocol

Weird. I use Wayland Plasma and it just works. Probably better than Xorg

Laughs in Manjaro. Yup, yet another reason to stick to Manjaro. Can't tell how many times holding up packages for testing has saved my ass but they have been a lot.

Hey, DT!! I dare you to use TempleOS for a week.

Because OBS, screen captures are still wonky on Wayland

- One Love

Don't think there's evil software? **maniacal laugh**

Me making this comment from wayland with my Rtx 3070 with no bugs so far.

ef Wayland 🔱

@KindStarWonder

Ай бұрын

I agree with all of DTs points, but having looked programmatically/architecturally under the hood at how Wayland works, I still think Wayland is the future, even if it is still buggy.

@MacroAcc

Ай бұрын

wayland is TRASH

@RealDanteS01

Ай бұрын

@@KindStarWonder It may be the future, but it's not the present for many people.

can doom emacs run doom?

There is another thing I install first on any Linux distro is to install fish.

@terrydaktyllus1320

Ай бұрын

What you do on your own Linux PCs is fine until you have to work on someone else's Linux PC's where they will always have bash installed but rarely fish - which then means having to learn two shells, rather than just sticking to bash as "the lowest common denominator" on every Linux PC (like vim, sed, awk and other "unfashionable" applications) and adopting the philosophy of "learn once, use everywhere".

@Software-sb1gx

Ай бұрын

no, fish is good. use it. ​@@terrydaktyllus1320

@robinbernardinis

Ай бұрын

@@terrydaktyllus1320 Be honest, how often do you use other people's computers? And, even when you do, do you really think that using bash after having gotten used to fish on your personal machines is so different as to be a problem? Sure, you'll miss a few features, but "downgrading" to bash is nothing more than a minor nuisance. Look, if you happen to constantly ssh into tons of different computers that you can't install your preferred shell on, then yes, having fish on your home rig might make less sense. But for the vast majority of people fish is just fine. If you are talking about scripting, then that is another matter entirely. As far as I know, most fish users don't write fish scripts.

@terrydaktyllus1320

Ай бұрын

@@robinbernardinis "Be honest, how often do you use other people's computers?" Every day, for the past 20 years I've worked in cyber-security on Linux servers on my customer sites - which I harden to meet their security standards. "And, even when you do, do you really think that using bash after having gotten used to fish on your personal machines is so different as to be a problem?" Why would anyone get used to fish before bash? bash is the first shell you are presented with when you first use Linux. You a describing a scenario that does not exist in the real world. And I cannot comment on a non-existent scenario. "Sure, you'll miss a few features, but "downgrading" to bash is nothing more than a minor nuisance." What "features"? I know bash well, I don't feel it lacks any features that I need. Plus I can transport my environment to a remote (customer) computer by uploading a few dotfiles - that I can then remove when I am done. So tell me, what are these great features that fish has that bash does not? "Look, if you happen to constantly ssh into tons of different computers that you can't install your preferred shell on, then yes, having fish on your home rig might make less sense." Precisely my point. Well done, you got there in the end. "But for the vast majority of people fish is just fine." Ah, no, you didn't quite get there. The "vast majority" of people who use Linux use bash, not fish. A minority of users use fish. Let's keep it factual.

Re: FISH It is a good shell, but I suspect you already know it's not POSIX compliant and should not be used as a login shell.

@RenderingUser

Ай бұрын

Hopefully he learned that lesson. That said, I'm gonna just go back to my pc running nushell at login /s

Unpopular opinion: Wayland works totally fine for me. And systemd is awesome.

@CommentNothingXD

Ай бұрын

Facts bro

@lorduggae

Ай бұрын

I agree

hyprland is a great wayland compositor

WT is DT's evil twin 🤣

Idea: run a keylogger when you're recording a video. Don't have to type everything twice that way.

So, I'm still using xmonad on Arch and with Wayland becoming more and more prominent over x11, am I going to have to move away from xmonad at some point?

@DarthVader11912

Ай бұрын

Unless Arch doesn't ship xorg anymore no.

@badwolfplays9751

Ай бұрын

@@DarthVader11912 DT basically answered my question at the very end of this one, when talking about qtile. lol I truly hope that Arch never stops shipping it.

@leopard3131

Ай бұрын

You don't have to do anything. You can use DOS if you wish. You can download and compile x11 for yourself if you wish. At some point you may or may not migrate to Wayland, your choice. The issue is that x11 is minimally maintained so that means no bug fixes, no security updates, and no new features. You will need to migrate to Wayland if you have those needs.

Fish is fantastic except I wish it was POSIX compliant

Hey, DT, do you have any good command lines for picking up an AI girl friend?

KDE Neon 6.0 switched to Wayland. The only difference I've noticed is the login screen. And that's just cosmetic difference. not functional.

i didn't try warp for the same reason

The evolution of the average Linux user is to watch DT until you realize he's an advocate for the software he uses rather than whether he's correct on basic concepts like Wayland.

@ratovsky

Ай бұрын

I agree with you but I'm currently in a local Linux community channel and realized that maybe half of the people have a similar attitude to DT. So I usually listen to see how the other half lives. I follow Linux news on several media sites and come to the conclusion that no one's right 😅

@Goga_Batumsky

Ай бұрын

Wayland is a garbage

@leopard3131

Ай бұрын

​@ratovsky well the "problem" is users like DT keep making baseless claims like Wayland is buggy or it is not ready. Same with systemd and ..... There are 2 issues here. 1. DT is using software that is experimental on Wayland and then concluding the problem is Wayland, what a joke. 2. Xorg is far from bug free. Worse xorg is minimally maintained bugs will never get fixed and new features available in Wayland will never be in xorg. The anti Wayland trolls are the linux equivalent of flat earthers or young earth creationists. They worship xorg as if it can do no wrong. They have no idea of why Wayland. They do not contribute code or financial resources to xorg. No wonder the greater linux community and Wayland developers ignore them. If you or anyone else is interested in learning about Wayland best to get your information from people who have an education on the topic rather than DT or worse trolls.

@terrydaktyllus1320

Ай бұрын

No, you're just whining because you can't deal with it when complete strangers on the Internet have alternate opinions to your own. I don't use wayland because I don't need it and it's complete rubbish for the Linux that I run - which isn't "games focused". Only gamers obsessed with FPS on Linux care about wayland.

@leopard3131

Ай бұрын

​​@@terrydaktyllus1320You ate entitled to use whatever hardware and software you wish, nobody cares. You can have any opinion about Wayland you wish, nobody cares. What you can't do, however, is support your opinions with facts, same as flat earthers. Again nobody cares. We only care when you endlessly spread FUD with lies and distortion of the facts. Go back to your cave and come to the discussion once you have something to contribute other than opinions, lies, and willful ignorance. Better come back when you are willing to contribute code and financial resources to xorg.

Hey DT, please review Ollama and Local LLM. How it can help our Linux workflow.

Hey DT, why would use Wayland? Did you really have to!

"Wayland isn't ready", more like novideo isn't ready.

i don't know why everyone want to switch to wayland i'm doing great in X11 and even my nvidia driver is in love with x11 😅

The only porgrammers that will be left out without a job in the future are the ones overly using AI

Ai integtation is cool! I'd love to say "hey Tux, open my emails", but sadly, that doesnt exist yet

@Sunrise-d819i2

Ай бұрын

my main use for it would be the console commands "tex, reinstall DE and reinstall "your brand of gpu"

@skelebro9999

Ай бұрын

There's a YTber named BugsWriter who did basically that. You can probably integrate AI into his system and make it work.

@pixl_xip

Ай бұрын

@@skelebro9999 yeah, i think i saw that

@mona.supremacy

Ай бұрын

@@Sunrise-d819i2 a recipe for disaster

April fools' day is not universal. In my country we have a similar day but it's on december 28.

Wayland.... still no native wine/proton support. Still janky Nvidia support. Still has issues with some windows (like game launchers that run in the background, it really hates those). Still has issues with context menus being black in apps. Maybe by the time x11 is officially ended in 2035, Wayland will be "ready".

@lobotomy-victim

Ай бұрын

the dev experience is way better tho

@JohnDoe-qj7uq

Ай бұрын

wine is really close to being fully functional with the wayland backend, and I hear wayland works really well if the newest nvidia driver. I actually have more issues on my hardware with pipewire than wayland for some reason.

@KindStarWonder

Ай бұрын

@@JohnDoe-qj7uq idk...seems...should I trust you?

@KindStarWonder

Ай бұрын

I'm so glad I watched this video from DT, because now I know where the jank be.

@leopard3131

Ай бұрын

You really do not understand the basics of support. 1. Nvidia problems are an issue with Nvidia not Wayland. Nvidia is a closed source driver so it is their responsibility to provide Wayland support. 2. Many people game on Wayland. Wine has lots and lots of bugs and regressions. For any particular game you need to configure it correctly on X11. Wayland does not have any more or less problems than x11 with regards to games. Just look at the long lost of programs, not just games, that do not work with wine on xorg. It is a very long list. The difference is the Wayland bugs are going to be better supported as support for x11 is minimal at best. Just another uneducated Wayland troll.

The real question is what would actual OS AI integration look like? A Windows laptop with a button that opens up a slide-out webview sidebar with Bing Chat--that can barely tell you how to empty the recycle bin yourself--in no way deserves to be called integration. It's Humane AI Pin/Rabbit R1 all over again, just without the stupid hardware.

@RenderingUser

Ай бұрын

_Hey tux, compress each of the directories in this path to their own compressed files_ >done, user! I assume that's how it's gonna go down

@KindStarWonder

Ай бұрын

I think right now it is better off as a browser based context sensitive encyclopedia.

Hey DT, why should we not trust an atom?

Wayland+Gnome are IBM's plot to prevent year of the Linux desktop.

@RenderingUser

Ай бұрын

Seems like it

@mona.supremacy

Ай бұрын

Lol

Well, maybe they didn't know that Wayland and Nvidia cards don't play along. Don't assume ill intention on the questions people ask

After using it everyday for a few weeks I realized that the warp terminal (in my opinion) brings nothing exceptional or compelling to the terminal application space. I have subsequently deleted it. There's many better terminal apps out there that are open source.

There's a Nvidia driver for Wayland now, but the real question is why use Nvidia on Linux at all. Or Brave over Firefox. But I don't think asking these questions matter, because they're red flags, and the person generating red flags is not going to be honest about it. Like why ignore that librewolf exists? You're just not going to get that answer, because it's clearly ignored on purpose, and forcing an answer will generate an excuse. You're better off considering why things are portrayed the way they are for yourself.

yeah i have nvidia

KDE Plasma: Native Wayland windows cannot save and restore their window positions

didn't you sign up for youtube?

@rav3ndust

Ай бұрын

it's a given that you have to sign up for most social websites. not many people want to create an online account to use their terminal.