Vincent you need to do a collab with Digital Foundry on the weird situation in the gaming industry with regards to HDR. It would be fun.

@robertlawrence9000

8 ай бұрын

why?

@D71219ONE

8 ай бұрын

I’d prefer him collab with NXGamer. Michael is the best gaming tech content creator. He has such great insight due to his experience actually working in the industry that other outlets can’t match.

@Valkyrslayer

8 ай бұрын

@@robertlawrence9000 One thing I would find interesting is why many Games use 0.05 Nits as Blackfloor instead of 0.0000 Nits. So many HDR Games have raised blacks in HDR for some reason while Movies look great.

@EricMalette

8 ай бұрын

@@D71219ONE He doesn't have a lot of bandwidth, but I say the more the merrier. A conversation needs to be had. HDR is clearly problematic.

@Ottteeevvv

8 ай бұрын

@@robertlawrence9000 why not

Finally a HDR gaming video from you again after forever!! More of this please 😊

Amazing effort every time. The content and speed flow of these videos are so informative and satisfying.

It feels so complicated to buy a great TV for gaming and Video…. This channel helps a lot :) can’t wait to finally buy me a new TV

Great work as usual, I would be interested to see your take on Windows 11 auto HDR and it's Windows store HDR calibration app. There are many folks trying to make sense of that.

@XDLugia

8 ай бұрын

As well as how you can play OpenGL and Vulkan software with AutoHDR now with a setting in the Nvidia Control Panel.

@Gamerboy-gw5kn

7 ай бұрын

what setting?@@XDLugia

@XDLugia

7 ай бұрын

@@Gamerboy-gw5kn It's called "Vulkan/OpenGL present method" and you want it to be set to "refer layered on DXGI Swapchain". It can be toggled on a per game basis. It appearently reads OpenGL and Vulkan as DX through some kind of translation layer, which is how you can get Auto HDR. I saw one guy use it to get HDR through a PS3 emulator.

@comadoof

7 ай бұрын

This!

Thanks for doing this vid. That was a fascinating bit of info.

Super informative video. Thanks for the upload!

In the end, it still all comes down to personal preference. I recently got my C3 and set it up the way the experts were advocating and some things like HGiG (too dark) or color temp warm 50 just weren't to my liking. I now use my standard mode for the ps5 and enjoy it as much as all the other content

Vicent, we would very much like you to make a NEW video comparing HGiG with Dolby Vision Gaming and what would be the best to be used today, since years have passed since your last video. Thank you very much and keep doing this excellent work.

I just switched from LG c1 to TCL c845 mini-LED. It's true that hgig looks accurate but in most games it also makes the overall picture appear to be a little too dim. In Forza Horizon for example, hgig does indeed look nice and very accurate, but when you use the TVs tone mapping instead, you get a very bright picture with only a small amount of lost detail and I find that just more fun to look at personally.

@kicapanmanis1060

7 ай бұрын

Same.

@Rave.-

7 ай бұрын

This channel also has recommendations such as Gamma set to 2.4 on the C2, so HGiG not bothering him doesn't surprise me.

@danielfloresmiranda1473

7 ай бұрын

I just enable HGiG overall i liked, but also like DMT on, it's dimmer on HGiG but some colors are really good ( y play normally on very dark room)

@boutte88

7 ай бұрын

Facts

@GregoryCunningham

6 ай бұрын

Jesus, going from OLED to LCD. On a TV no less. I don’t care how much brightness they offer, LCD’s for home theater are a dead technology.

Great content Vincent , bring the real HDTV shootout were the A95L willl havr stiffer competition from Panasonic and Phillips oled .

I use the last years Panasonic JZ980 model so I do not have a choice but to use dynamic tone mapping if I also want to have pure 4k120hz. My solution to the problem has been to ignore the test images of PS5 and those inside game and just set the peak brightness in both to 1000 nits (and paperwhite to 150-200 nits if there is one) manually. Many games already tell you the nit values in each slider and there is a chart on the internet for the nit values of PS5 hdr calibration tool, how many clicks from zero I have to go up to get the desired value. While the test images look wrong just ignore them, let the dynamic tone mapping do its work in actual real life content and start to game. The calibration settings I did are closer to the limits of my displays capabilities and dynamic tone mapping is able to sort it out easier, with sparkling highlights but no blown out midtones as far as I can tell.

Should have mentioned that this is just as crucial for using TV as an HDR monitor for PC! Also, I was under the impression that LG oleds support HGIG. What's with the brightness difference against the mastering monitor then? Surely Vincent wouldn't have not enabled HGIG on LG for that comparison? What's going on?

Awesome work vincent. If I want to play games on my C3 in filmmaker mode to preserve the color luminance with DTM OFF then how to I calibrate the Xbox/in game hdr setting. Should I set them to 800 or 4000 nits?

So I just listened to a talk from a Valve dev where they talked about creating proper metadata for HDR. Kinda funny if they do things correctly. Linux will go from no HDR support to the only correct HDR implementation for games.

@MKR3238

8 ай бұрын

watched that as well, pretty cool to see valve pushing even niche use cases for linux now without expecting andy ROI for quite some time

@mariozenarju6461

7 ай бұрын

Linux either doesn't do a thing out of the box, or does it as perfectly as possible out of the box. Let's hope they cook it well

@BlakeBlaKe88

7 ай бұрын

Where can i watch this?

It really depends on the game and how hdr is implemented. Example games like GT7, forza and spiderman look absolutely amazing in hgig on my 77in C1. Brightness not and issue. But with a game like lords of the fallen where the hdr is crap hgig just won't look right, very dark, washed out.

@SotNist

8 ай бұрын

Starfield sent me on a rabbit hole of going back to Dynamic even though HGIG looked great a lot of the time.

@DesOdinsNordman

7 ай бұрын

Try "The Quarry" with HGIG😂

@anabukashka

7 ай бұрын

​@@DesOdinsNordmanThe Quarry actually looks amazing in HGiG in light controlled room. Usually HDR games are overly bright, this one looks like dark Dolby Vision movie. The problem with The Quarry is that it's average brightness is almost always in the treshold of TPC dimming. To play The Quarry properly in a dark room TPC needs to be disabled.

@DesOdinsNordman

7 ай бұрын

@@anabukashka No way! All the Details are gone, so dark its unreal. HGIG is most lf the time absolute crap.

@manyakgaming1346

7 ай бұрын

I only ever use hdr with hgig if it’s perfectly implemented otherwise sdr

Hi Vincent, are you gonna review the Panasonic mx980/950 mini led full array. Waiting for that, and obviously the mz2000 When do you think you could review? BEST regards

I have a qled with dolby vision. Even when its just hdr10 i personally feel that it looks better with the tonemapping feature enabled. My tv doesnt lose much detail, only in the whites but thats to be expected.

HGIG is great in a dark room on my C2. But I rarely play in dark conditions. I've mostly gone back to using DTM as I play in a well lit room. Reference is great, but it doesn't beat preference when the conditions aren't ideal.

@Mario00064

8 ай бұрын

Same here. Have to use DTM on my C1 otherwise the picture is just too dark.

@TheSubZero187

8 ай бұрын

Yeah I always use DTM. I never follow these since it’s always too dark.

@junior-OG

8 ай бұрын

fact

@mipha5262

8 ай бұрын

HDR is made for dark room performance. Better control your light conditions than using overly bright settings that lowers the dynamic range. BriGhTnEsS means not picture quality. And it isn´t ToO DaRk. You probably never saw true HDR.

@Mr1machine1

8 ай бұрын

@@mipha5262 Or maybe I'll keep using settings that I enjoy using while still understanding that it's not the most optimal or accurate because accuracy is not everything.

I think I'm done watching this type of content, & not just from here, there are several others that I follow. Other than setting up a TV initially & updating firmware, I'd rather watch & play games on the TV than worry about all the different settings for this that & the other regarding TVs. For me it's set it, forget it, & enjoy it, & don't worry about the things I'll never miss!

Watching previous videos of yours Vincent i wonder: 1) Do really bright tvs tonemap? I mean, if you have a qled tv that can do 2000 nits, does the tv even tone map? Do games even get mastered in higher than 1000 nits?, do they even get mastered at all for hdr? 2) You yourself have said in the past almost no game uses hgig. The only game you usually have as an example is dirt 5. So my question is, does setting hgig on override conventional hdr implementation? 3) I struggle at times to understand hdr on games and what it actually does. On films i get it, you have a bluray version which has been mastered and color graded on sdr standards, then you have a separate 4k uhd version, that has been mastered and color graded specifically for wide color gamut. With games though it seems more like an open format. There is no sdr or hdr specific mastering. It seems more like just 'whatever your tv can handle'. In many cases switching between sdr or hdr in games seems to bring nothing in return, at times hdr is even worse, with elevated blacks or loss in color gradient. Forza Horizon 5 is a classic example for this. Nightime in hdr looks more like greytime, in sdr the night looks like proper night.

If metadata is available, does display tonemapping outrank other source based tone mapping? mpv has tons of controls regarding this, comparison would be interesting.

Do you just set to true game mode and that's the best setting for gaming or are there more steps one should be taking?

so what about on a Sony tv like the 80j, 80k or 80l? These tvs don’t have hgig but instead 3 tone mapping settings which are brightness, gradation preferred or off. Do I set up the ps5 and Xbox with tone mapping off on the tv? Do I turn tone mapping on after I calibrate the consoles?

*Still love my 77LZ2000!* Best TV for PS5 and Movies 🤗

What about built-in streaming apps? Do they honor the metadata values? Feels like highlights are searingly bright on my Samsung QLED in the Apple TV app when using Movie mode (which is using static tonemapping).

Would you also recommend turning off tone mapping on the Sony A95L?

good stuff. do you have a video where you explain how to set HDR parameters for a PC lets say with a nvidia GPU?

Hey Vincent. Does Filmmaker mode have more lag than Game mode? My Panasonic doesn’t have True Gamer mode.

I have my lg oled hooked up to my pc and it's awesome. I use a 12gb pny 3080 as it's ample for speed and quality even in cyberpunk and star shield

I need help. Just got a PS5 and a Hisense U7K TV. The TV reported max brightness is 1000 nits, which according to a chart online is 15ish clicks when doing the HDR Adjust calibration on the PS5. However the logo in the calibration process is still visible at 15 clicks and I need to go up to 25ish clicks to have it disappear or be just barely visible. Not sure how many clicks I should do. I have Tone mapping disabled on the tv but I don't think it turns off. The overall picture looks off in Spider-man Remastered and it's driving me insane.

Hey Vincent, great video as always! Do you think there is a chance that last year's Panasonic OLEDs (LZ series) will receive an update that will allow us to use 120Hz Bypass Mode with TV's HDR Tonemap disabled (like this year's MZ series)? I love my LZ1000, picture quality is amazing and HDR performance is great too. My only gripe is that currently 120HZ Bypass Mode automatically enables TV's HDR Tonemap and there is no option to disable it while using Bypass Mode :/ I would really appreciate your opinion on this matter. Cheers! @hdtvtest

@Pretendentas

7 ай бұрын

Got the same tv, how do you set ps5 hdr? Tone map normal or clipping?

Vincent number one! I'm waiting for your review of A95L. I bought one and I need your advice.. For now I have tried 2 ways, DTM off (17 clicks) and gradation prefer (21/22 clicks).. I don't know which is more correct but I prefer the impact of the gradation prefer, houwever the PQ and colors are incredible. Good work Vincent.

I'm not sure if you've answered this in a previous video, but is there a way to pull up the menu to view the Metadata on samsung TV's, like you did on the Panasonic? Please amlnd thank you.

Thanks for the vid, as usual. But I have a question. Where has Vinny got to these days?!

Vincent is it true that the 83 inch g2 has the older panel and power board issues.

The LG c1 with the ps5 , tone mapping is a better choice because with hgig enabled all games are very dark, everyone will have their own preference tho .. play with what makes you happy

Hmm, obviously this is subjective but the game you're playing matters in regards to this topic. For example, with Tone mapping off and HGIG on, NBA 2K24 looks dark and odd on my LG CX. However, Starfield looks better in HGIG versus tone mapping being on. I suggest trying both on each game you play to see what looks best.

This is why I have tone mapping turned off on my Sony after calibrating on console. Yes, having it ON at Gradiation Preferred or Brightness Preferred gives pop, but often blows out the highlights ☀️

@RobertK1993

7 ай бұрын

Sony Bravia supposed leave Gradition Preferred for HDR 10 and leave default setting for Dolby Vision Bright and Dark

@claudiovic88

7 ай бұрын

I just bought an Sony X95L, I was wondering what HDR tone mapping to use, right now I'm using brightness prefered...

Any chance you could revisit an older set like the LG B7/C7 and how to best set them up with modern gaming consoles like the Series X / PS5?

can you use Calman to calibrate a TV using a more consumer affordable device like a xrite or spyder colorimeter?

Hi. Hope you can help. I have a 75 inch Sony X95L. Unfortunately, he has no game mode for Dolby Vision Gaming. Only HDR 10 has Game Mode. I think Dolby Vision of the colors and contrasts is much better. Can you tell me how high the input was? When I activate Dolby Vision with Xbox Series X and in Dolby Vision games on the X95L?

Should i turn the nits in Alan Wake 2 to 100? HGiG is on, i use LG CX by the way and thanks for the help, you are the best :)

@HDTVTest Is there a chance Panasonic will update the LZ line with the ability to enable 120Hz Bypass without completely disabling HDR Tonepam?

How does tone mapping works for gaming on Sony's 2023 flagship TVs?

@HDTVTest @vincent I need you to do us a huge, gigantic favor. Please make a video explaining all the terminologies like gamma, color format, color space, luminons, nits, and everything in between when you discuss a display! I know i might be only one here asking but there's thousands of people wanting the same thing and you are only person I know who is expert in display calibration and knowledge. I'm waiting for a response atleast. Thank you!

I just bought a 42" c3... thanks for bursting my bubble.

@enyercepeda7524

5 ай бұрын

wdym?

Question. Where's the review for A95L and why is it the best?

What is the "correct" way to do it on older TVs like the LG C8? DTM game mode should be on or off for HDR gaming? How many "clicks" should you go up from the bottom on the three PS5 HDR calibration screens? Should I still drop the black (third screen) all the way to the bottom?

@o_KingOfKings_o

6 ай бұрын

On ps5 all c serie from c9 to the c3 clip at 14click up 14 click up and 0 that’s is going to be 800nits on highlights

Im confused because my LG CX show HGiG as an option under DTM menu, so is HGiG a sort of DTM type and needs to be turned off or the opposite and it should be on during PS5 OS HDR calibration? Thank you!

One thing Ive never seen mentioned in your videos Vincent is what’s the best solution when a game doesn’t use the console level calibration, doesn’t have an in-game peak brightness slider, and is a fixed 4000 or 10000 nits. The one game that comes to mind is the original God of war. Would it still be okay to use HGiG or better to use DTM Off/On?

@m60122

7 ай бұрын

In those cases use tone mapping if you want to preserve highlight detail or turn tone mapping off for the highest apl (average picture brightness level)

On an LG C3 (or C1 or C2), turn Dynamic Tone Mapping on, and change the game black level to 30 in the game optimizer menu. The default value is 50 and the HDR looks washed out unless you lower it. No one could tell me that HGIG looks better with a straight face. I'm talking about PC gaming in Windows with the HDR slider on.

I have an LG c1 and playing my ps5 with hgig on makes the image look dull? I followed your hdr calibration set up for the ps5 too?

i have an LZ800 42" panasonic OLED. could panasonic update it to give the option to disable the tonemapping in the game mode?

Hello, brilliant material, just what we needed. how many clicks on PS5 do you need in Samsung S95c with hdr basic (hgig) mode and should I change the color gamut to bt2020 or dci-p3 for max quality?

@igordelija9185

8 ай бұрын

HDR automatically changes to BT2020

@manyakgaming1346

6 ай бұрын

20 clicks

Wheres the full Sony A 95L review then Vinny ??

@TheLonelyFuture1

8 ай бұрын

Let him cook.

@sirgareth5283

8 ай бұрын

Hope there arent some politics standing against

How am I supposed to calibrate HDR on ps5 on a Sony x90L? I see people saying to calibrate with tone mapping off then turn DTM gradation preferred on. Can someone explain to me if / why this is correct? To me it doesn't make sense to calibrate with dynamic tone mapping off if you're going to turn it back on afterwards.

Please Vincent you really need to address the lifted blacks situation in HDR gaming, and the misconceptions around rgb range (specially on pc)

It's sometimes best to try a few examples of content, for instance I didn't realise how terrible Samsung contrast enhancer (on by default) was. Until I played resident evil 7 and areas intended to be dark were devoid of shadows and washed out , sapping all the tension. It does feel a little like many of the default settings for tv sets out of the box are objectively awful, but must be what people have been taught to believe is "good". Once you show them actually good and pretty accurate they often appreciate the improvement.

@kicapanmanis1060

7 ай бұрын

I always find the "accurate" colors Vincent likes to look worse. They tend to be overly warm and sucks enjoyment out of the experience.

@hudders11

7 ай бұрын

@kicapanmanis1060 everyone should use their TV in the way they enjoy most. It's their money. I gave the filmmaker mode a go when I got my current tv and gave it a few days to be able to say I'd given it a fair shake. Now I wouldn't go back.

@DasAntiNaziBroetchen

5 ай бұрын

@@kicapanmanis1060 Your room lighting may be too blue and you need to give yourself time to adjust.

Panasonic = such an amazing brand 😀

What about Dolby Vision for gaming? Has it been improved since the last time you checked?

Vince’s, I have a jz2000 is there much difference between this and the newest model

And what is with the sony oled and mini leds? Dtm on with hdr calibration on the ps5. Or only ps5 hdr calibration without dtm on?🤔

Thanks for the video.... Would HGIG also be recommended to enable when gaming in PC instead of console?

@optimalsettings

8 ай бұрын

no

@m60122

8 ай бұрын

Depends on the games hdr implementation. Games like uncharted 4 set the hdr brightness to 4000 nits so tone mapping is best in that situation but if you're able to set the settings or if the game uses the system hdr calibration then use hgig.

Hello I noticed on Spiderman 2 in particular that when the 120 Hz Mode was activated, the image became strange, less sharp and with washed-out colors... Is this what you're talking about? (Tested on a TCL 65c845). Thanks a lot!

@paultsang1210

7 ай бұрын

Yes if you use uncapped VRR mode in Spider-Man 2 then the resolution will get downgraded

Vincent, could you make a video with the best settings for S95C, please?

Is this true for PC games as well? When I enable HGiG on my LG C2 everything looks extremely dark.

Thank God for this channel

Vincent,I use a PC to game and select HGIG in the menu.Is it as simple as doing that?When games like Motorsport start up,it says "auto HDR enabled".It looks great to my eyes with this setting (LG G1 65").

@optimalsettings

8 ай бұрын

dtm off. enable hdr in game not auto hdr.

Hello, are there any plans on reviewing A95L?

Vincent, do youn think leaving HGIG on even for games that dont take advantage of it is ok? I'd rather 'set and forget'

I have 65" LG C2 4k OLED TV. Can you please give me the perfect settings for PS5 games like Final Fantasy 16, God of War Ragnarok, Horizon. Thank you

Does anyone know the link to Vincent's LG C3 OLED calibrations for the PS5?

Gradation Preferred for HDR 10 and off for Dolby Vision on Sony Bravia

People who have a Sony A90J OLED, what are your visual settings for Spider-Man 2? Mine are Fidelity | VRR | 120Hz Brightness 35 | Contrast 70 All OFF: Film Grain - Motion Blur (0) - Chromatic Aberration - Depth of Field Does anyone have better presets they like?

I prefer the brighter look on the LG C3 personally, I don't care about accuracy in games but that's just me

If the tv supports 1000 nits at 5 or 10% window brightness and the mastering luminance is 1000 nits, is tone mapping needed at all?

My LG does not have HGIG. So what should I do for? DTM : On or Off?

What about Sony A95L for hdr gaming is it working similarly with they own automatic hdr ps5 algorithm? Any news about A95L review ?

@bilvah2914

7 ай бұрын

Dropping a comment here in case this gets answered - I’m concerned about Sony’s lack of official hgig compliance when it comes to comparing the A95L with pansonic

What are the best HDR setting for the Samsung/Alienware ultrawide monitors in games

I have the Sony A95K, I played spider-man remasterd on my ps5 with hdr tone mapping set to gradation preferred. But I turned tone mapping off today to see the difference and the picture is much brighter, not so dim and the light pops. But the game uses the tone mapping from the console so does this mean with tone mapping off there is no tone mapping at all?? But why does it look so much better on the A95K? With tone mapping the whole picture looks dim.

So is it better to turn the tone mapping off when playing hdr games with ps5? I'm using A95K tv.

what does this mean for a calibrated A80J and PS5? turn off Gradation Preferred?

So on my Sony it's probably better to not choose for gradation or brightness preferred, but just off when it comes to HDR tone mapping?

Should i use HGIG or just keep dynamic tone mapping off

Hi, have you good settings for sony a90k with ps5?

What about the Philips HGiG mode of HDR Perfect, I find my games washed out. I setup peak brightness at 700/800 nits. (Tried on oled 806 and 907)

It,s so so good 🔥☺

Assassin's Creed Mirage seems far too dark when using HGIG on my PS5/C2 combo, any advice?

On Xbox, would you recommend HDR10 (that can be calibrated to HGiG) or Dolby Vision? I'm using a LG C1

@BenutzernameXY

6 ай бұрын

DB is Always the best

I know this has nothing to do with this particular video but i am miffed that Panasonic are not releasing a 65 inch version of the MZ980 here in the UK.

Will you test the new Huawei TVs 85/98"!?

When will the A95L review be released?

I need to look at my settings. On my C9 with Spider-Man 2 on PS5, hgig/tone mapping off (identical in appearance) is SO much dimmer than dynamic tone mapping on

From most recommendations I've seen for Sony TVs, others suggest turning DTM off, calibrating HDR using the PS5 patterns, and then turning DTM back to gradation preferred Wouldn't turning gradation preferred back on defeat the purpose of calibrating with DTM off? Why not calibrate with gradation preferred on?

@Miha-ii3dy

3 ай бұрын

That’s something I don’t understand either.

@h1gh3r73

12 күн бұрын

Can't find a good answer on this and it's driving me mental

Vincent, do you still hold this opinion for sony oled eg a80j ? Eg tone mapping off ? I find it quite dark with no ingame changes.

@m60122

7 ай бұрын

in his review he said use gradation preferred tone mapping to accurately follow the pq eotf

@WoLShiverify

7 ай бұрын

@@m60122 I know.

Can someone answer me this... I cant select HGIG for my Samsung TV on PC mode. It seems like hdr calibration tool is all funky because of that. Im not sure if im still supposed to mess with it or leave it be and let the tv do its thing.

Where can I buy the Panasonic TX-42MZ980B?

The C3 and G3 support FMM + ALLM + 4:4:4 + DTM Off for gaming. It is the best way to play with my pc and G3. Amazing picture quality (colors boost and peak brightness are preserved) and very low input lag.

@UK-Drones

7 ай бұрын

Even after trying to set all settings on all lg TVs like lg c1 c2 c3 g2 g3 all have way out colours and move away from game directors intent mean not very accurate meaning lg isn’t the best gaming tv at all !!!!because I’d rather have more input lag and an accurate picture like every other Sony oled and Panasonic then a Samsung or a in accurate lg period. Turns out lg was over hyped after all just like Vincent has been showing everybody when he talks about creators intent gaming and movies .

@UK-Drones

7 ай бұрын

Nobody cares about a little input lag as long as it’s under 15 ms people are more bothered about an accurate picture and accurate colours and director and or game devs intent . To see it how they made it as Sonys and Panasonics show it better … lg c1 c2 c3 g2 g3 none of them are accurate and very blue out of box which is very important as normal people or should I say most won’t pay for a calibration. And Vincent as been showing you for years who TVs are calibrated close to director intent which should be more important. you buy the game or film to see what there showing you not to have your tv to change the picture that was sent lol imagine a well painted portrait picture a work of art painting you wouldn’t want your eyes changing the colour every time you looked at it 😂

@kardeon4503

7 ай бұрын

@@UK-Drones I guess you do not understand what I wrote. FMM is film maker mode which is the best accurate picture. So playing with FMM+ALLM will give you the best accurate picture with low imput lag. FMM on LG is extremely accurate.

@Higurashi690

7 ай бұрын

Can’t use FMM on PS5 at least for gaming, the input lag is literally in the hundreds of milliseconds

@Totone56

2 ай бұрын

@@Higurashi690 If you enable the Game Optimizer menu while in FMM, and use VRR, input lag actually becomes extremely good. I tried it for the laughs, but i was actually extremely surprised at how almost imperceptible the input latency difference is between HDR Game Mode and HDR FFM + VRR.

Wait so what's the summary? TVs should be on default settings and then max brightness in game hdr options?