Teammate gets severe debuffed Bailu: Its too late for you now kid, just die and I'll revive you

@TheOneGPJ

2 ай бұрын

When you're on the team with Bailu and get hit with Corona 10.2: My time has come...

I’d still rather have won my acheron 50/50 😅

First of all we need clean debuff f2p lightcone for her When she heal allies she additionally remove 1debuff(cooldown may or may not have) Its not just help bailu but also help all the healer Another one is overcapped heal are convert into shield instead (could be a 5star limited lightcone)

@asoret

2 ай бұрын

I think giving shields for extra heals seems like cheating, like removing the preservation job, would be the same if overcapping shields heals you, and like you said the problem I see is that buffing her indirectly will make all the healers that are already better than her even better, like most times I want to play bailu I get a debuff that stuns the main dps or someone important, and have to restart and switch her for lynx (will be worse when I get a second 5 star limited sustainer) They would have eo make an annoying enemy or boss, that in x turn just oneshots someone in your team, similar to the dreams monster or some genshin weekly bosses. Also thought about buffing seele, seems like you can't do much apart from increasing her damage that would be the same for the rest, maybe an enemy group that forces you to do single target damage, but that would be so annoying for the rest, maybe some extra scaling with speed, allowing you to have double turn or just big increase in damage

honestly if we get a form of cleanse that she can utilize her value would go up really high.

So, as someone who uses Bailu to clear every MoC and test her on both sides of MoC 11 and 12(i even did a no Light Cone run during Ratio MoC), her heals are so comfy, it's just impossible to die with Bailu in your team, but, when you face a enemy like Kafka or the Mommy auromaton you are just absolutely screwd... There is a reason why my Ratio Effect Res is around 40%.

@TheOneGPJ

2 ай бұрын

Jesus your Ratio such a high Eff Res 😨

i think put a abundance's lightcone that convert like hp to effect resistence to the team in some way, or relics who gave all your allies some percentage of effect resistence is valid

It's funny that people act like you only need 2 limited sustains for MOC/PF and you'll always be fine. Sustains are situational just like dps. They have different synergies and use cases. On top of that, the better your dps are build, the faster you clear content, the less important your sustain becomes. They just need to keep you alive until the enemy is dead. Doesn't matter whether that's on 1% or 100% hp. At this point in the game it's getting clearer and clearer that you will need to either hyperinvest in specific teams so you can bruteforce all content, or build a diverse roster so you always have the correct tool for the job. Just like dps, you'll want a couple of different types of sustain. You'll want a shielder for the soda monkeys, you'll want an AOE cleanser against AOE cc like Cocolia or the swarm bugs etc. Ratio/Acheron like a sustain like Gallagher that can debuff enemies. Clara/Blade like Lynx' taunt, Yanqing absolutely wans a shield, JingLiu likes to have a healer for the team etc. etc. etc. Bailu is fine, as long as you match her to the content you're facing. Don't bring her against loads of cc. You wouldn't bring Dr. Ratio into PF either, yet he's still considered a great all around unit.

@asoret

2 ай бұрын

I mean its easier to pull fu xuan/aventurine etc, and build them enough so you don't die and use them anywhere (I know there are more ideal healers for each team, but you don't need to for most content), I built Bailu for battery + heals, she is fine but most of the time a annoying enemy stuns the main dps and have to restart and switch to lynx or something. Would be much easier next time when I get another 5 star sustainer, will wait for future ones

@thederp9309

Ай бұрын

The thing is… you do only need 2 and you’re fine… chances are if they implement a very high team damaging enemy they will implement a mechanic with that enemy that grants survivability as this will avoid previous sustainers getting “power crept”… but their sustain will never be powercrept, you do only need two, it just that in certain content it will be more difficult and rely on actual skill and thinking There are so many work arounds they can do for enemies to not power creep the sustain of sustain units, as said like mechanics in fights such as argenti’s shield Bosses are typically the highest damaging so if there is a huge nuke boss in the future I guarantee the star rail team has thought about how to mitigate this issue Sustainers are not worth all the pulls to get more types of sustain, you can absolutely just use 2 for all of MoC. The first 2 are the only important ones. And you severely overestimate the utility of sustains, the only huge one is Huo Huo with her energy and she has enough healing to solo sustain… Of course there are going to be healers that are more optimal, it’s a team building game but they are by no means worth the pulls after getting the first two… Imo the two best sustains are Huo Huo and Fu Xuan… you’re idea is implying that you NEED the optimal buffs to clear the content… you don’t at all, these buffs are nice but not worth… this game is a lot easier than you think Why would you willingly pull a sustain that is niche for a single team? There aren’t even any like that, all are useable is every team as the main value why they’re so important is the sustainability and they can all solo sustain

My ways to make bailu OP: 1.) Add a dedicated unit that's able to refresh talents either through skill or ult every 1 turn or so. Imagine infinite revive bailu and gepard, you could also use this for like dhil's talent, fu xuan's talent, jingliu's etc. Then maybe make the unit able to cleanse debuffs. 2.) Simulated universe light cone lightcone that's able to provide effect resistance to party that scales off HP, maybe around 30-50% at S1, and 50-100% at S5. This way at least majority of the time everyone will resist debuffs therefore not needing cleanse 3.) Add a gamemode like survival endless/endurance gamemode to the game, and give the enemies new buffs like "resistance to crit damage by 100%" so people are not able to burst through them all. That way 2 sustain units are needed all the time, particularly a preservation and an abundance. Lately preservations are outclassing abundance units, since enemies aren't able to chip enough HP over time since MOC is all about taking the least amount of time. But a gamemode that forces you to endure dozens of waves will surely necessitate an abundance to heal your HP ever so often.

Most obvious indirect buffs in my opinion are: 1) Relic set or a teammate that buffs or deals damage based on overheal or just heals. 2) game mode where survivability of all characters is a top priority. Maybe an event or a permanent mode like SU gears, where your rewards increase the more turns you stay alive (and you can buy buffs to your hp/def/res and enemies deal more damage each turn) 3) enemies that require no clense, either they do not apply debuffs at all or apply unclensable debuffs. Second one is better because if you have, for example, unclensable dots on your characters you will need more damage mitigation and healing. Upd: true damage is good but other healers are still better than Bailu and it will happen after a long time simply because we don't have much shielders yet, so Bailu will be on the bottom at this point. Like for Genshin, our first "true damage" enemies appeared only a year after Zhongli rise to the top, and people still used shield because until character survives, they survive. Same with Sam, as long as you can't die from true damage (and you can't go from 1 hp to 0 with his burning), it does not matter because you can stack shields on top of your almost-dead-but-not-actually-dead characters

I have bailu as my second healer, huo is 1st. I clear moc 12 and have completed swarm disaster 5. Looking for a new healer but its not necessary, she is still able to heal just fine.

Another way for bailu to raise up would be for more non-sustain cleanse sources (like bronya) popped up. Or CC protection i guess.

Got bailu at the beginning of the game and never stopped using her ever sense because she just a very comfortable healer to run and if a fight is heavy on cc ill just run huo for that fight but if not then my go to will always be bailu

a relic set that turns overheal into temporary hp that will heal the characters with overheal on their turn

Never neglected her at all. I am still using her.

Light Cone *4 Increases HP Recovery by +X% Anytime an allied is healed, increases their Effect Res by % based on the max HP of the user. Low X & Max Y If they're making a *5 Energy Regen + HP Recovery +X% Anytime an allied is heal, clear 1 debuff one time. The more HP Recovery the user has, the more effect res is applied on the characters. Invigoration will go nuts with this, simple fix exclusively for bailu. Same way they fixed Arlan and Yanqing with Adventurine. The same way they gave us Relics to buff to DOT units and better set of other units. Main problem w Bailu is her healing % are low, no cleanse. Imagine Imprisonment, since they can't change her skill to cleanse- She needs to aquire that from somewhere else. Hence why Lynx can increase mx HP%, control aggro, and HP regen. Bailu is sad because she can revive dead units, which if they're already dead- you've already failed.

Your overheal conversion mechanic idea is brilliant.

@TheOneGPJ

2 ай бұрын

Thanks 🙏

Bailu is the reason i won't pull for another limited 5* sustain for awhile after Huo Huo. I have to cope with a e3 Bailu and e1 Gepard as my only standard characters 😭 But honestly her and Gepard can get the job done, but not as easily as limited sustain. The only issue is when there is a problematic CC enemy like Kakfa or now with SAM who nerfs healing. She would just have to go on the other side of MoC or switch to a different sustain. I'm just hoping we get and Abundance Herta shop LC that does something good for Bailu. Either effect res boost to allies or a cleanse, as unlikely as that seems. One can only cope.

A good way to buff her, would be through a lightcone that cleanses on ult or skill, and that has some restriction that does not make other abundance units more op...

Anything to convince me to use my Bailu (she’s E3 at this point and I’ve dropped her since Lynx released)

8:40 directly buffing outdated characters is fairly common as I've played a number of gachas (that're not hoyo) that do just that, so it being "illegal" sounds like bs. if hoyo doesn't buff an outdated unit, its just because they'd rather sell you an upgrade than fixing the old one.

@TheOneGPJ

2 ай бұрын

Yeah it makes sense for Hoyo to sell you the solution rather than just fixing it xd

@yvindvego9404

2 ай бұрын

hoyo might do what they did in genshin and indirectly buff old characters with new characters. they also buffed some characters by adding pure fiction into the game. who knows, maybe hoyo adds a character who gets a massive buff after dying in battle or a boss that has a one shot mechanic once per battle.

@asoret

2 ай бұрын

@@yvindvego9404 I think a boss like that maybe, but would be weird making a character that needs to revive that can't do it himself

Another thing I like about Luocha is that his ult is a pretty good breaker and it hits all enemies. He gets his ult quite frequently too (although you want to hold it until his field needs a refresh). I think the only other abundance unit with something similar is Gallgher and he is all about Break. I did a 10-pull on Adventurine banner and got Bailu 🥲. Not raising her right now. She doesn't have a place in my roster.

im using bailu in my team since day 1 and she is too weak now but she isnt there for supporting but beacuse im attached to my old team

Her value will only rise if there’ll be a destruction unit that’ll double the multipliers of everything (basic, skill and ult) when revived that will last for 3 turns.

@TheOneGPJ

2 ай бұрын

Like Dark Phoenix from Marvel Vs Capcom 3 if you played fighting games xd

I used her since 1.0, her ultimate and talent heals are enough to sustain the whole team even under heavy DoTs, her skill and it’s “RNG” is irrelevant if you’re willing to put some investment to Bailu. I haven’t used any cleanse since the beginning of the game, except for Fuxuan which has CC prevention(better than cleanse btw), and so far i have to say cleanse are overrated as hell. It’s only useful for long CC debuffs like Kafka’s domination that last for a couple of turns, but the rest of the content can be cleared with Bailu easily as the sustain. Imprison and Freeze for example preemptively delayed your movement, so cleanse is useless in that situation, CC prevention is better or even effect res buff like what Aventurine have. Bailu heals a lot and prevents damage too, if you have decent effect res and HP on her she can easily heal the whole party without SP. Since i did only used Bailu and Fuxuan, at least i know that MoC up until now doesn’t require 2 “cleanser” on both sides. But tbh nowdays, if you’re an endgame player, what sustain you use barely matters. They all can heal you enough to clear everything. If they don’t give you offensive buff then they are standard, what you expect from a sustain, what truly matter is if they do. Fuxuan gives crit, Ave also have crit vulnerability, and Huohuo has energy recovery, their sustain ability matters less compared to this imo. They wouldn’t give Bailu a buff, since a standard character is meant to make you feel bad, even Bronya doesn’t feel good compared to Sparkle unless you have super high speed on her.

@asoret

2 ай бұрын

Cleanse isn't useless in those situations, when you are in freeze or quantum broken if you don't cleanse it apart from the slow the character will loose its turn, delaying it even more, but yeah they would rather release another 4 star like lynx or gallagher to just be comparable or better than her with eidolons

If they made a lightcone that cleanses, they could really expand the variety of healers, without needing a cleanse.

@TheOneGPJ

2 ай бұрын

I highly doubt it but in my mind that's one way to add another OP light cone to the banner xd Maybe there's a percent base chance to cleanse on skill and the chance gets guaranteed cleanse at S5

@lanadelrey6613

2 ай бұрын

@@TheOneGPJ yeah it’s definitely unlikely, but it would deffo allow them to expand the healing roster without them all requiring a cleanse to be good.

dont forget houhou has a res (at E2)

We already have a truedamage boss btw. It is Sam. It goes through everything shield dmg reduction u name it. The reason why Sam's true damage doesnt kill u is because it acts like blades e. It will only drain u to 1 but not kill u.

@TheOneGPJ

2 ай бұрын

Yeah I've mentioned Sam in 9:54

@hentikirby7142

2 ай бұрын

@@TheOneGPJ nice. But Yeah I am happy that they are putting inn a bit of truedamage now. Shield stonks is going up. I've mentioned many many times to people that fu isnt timeless. Aventurine on the next banner has already ulti crept her quite a bit.

My Bailu is already E2 🙄 *sigh* She’s built and I don’t hate her. But I have both Luocha and HuoHuo so she rarely sees any use. She was mostly useful for me in the early days as a lightning healer to make sure Silver Wolf added lightning for Jing Yuan. The resurrection can be fun and useful when doing risky things.

@hazardsigns

Ай бұрын

I have an unbuilt E1 Yanqing. He is staying unbuilt. I feel it would be a waste of precious resources to build him. Couldn't give me a Himeko, or a Clara or heck I'd take another Welt eidelon at this point (currently E2)? Then got a Bailu on Adventurine's banner and she can live with Yanqing 😆🥲 I regret picking Bronya for my 300th wish, as Sparkle came out shortly after and I never use Bronya. Wish I'd picked Clara or Himeko instead 🙈

@neanahidden

Ай бұрын

@@hazardsigns yeah. It’s all wasted resources unless you know you’ll use the character. Yanqing is the only standard I don’t have. Picked Himeko from the 300 instead of him. He might be better now with Aventurine keeping him unharmed so he’s boost will stay on.

Basically Bailu has no utility outside healing and invigoration (there is an E level that turns unused invigoration into energy, but lol), and she has had her sole focus powercrept. She does have her revive, but Fu Xuan gets that at E2. Is she bad? No. Is she top tier? LMAO no. You can make her work, but debuffs will hurt.

@Kasli1710

2 ай бұрын

is she better than natasha or lynx tho?

@TheOneGPJ

2 ай бұрын

I'd say, in a place where there's no crowd control debuffs (which is only a handful), she's by far the most comfortable unit. That already puts her in a box with limited options, not even mentioning her place in a team

@jammed_yam

2 ай бұрын

@@Kasli1710 not lynx but natasha sure

I lost Acheron to her con on hard pity 😭

@hazardsigns

Ай бұрын

Commiserations. I just got her on Adventurine's banner 🫂

give bailu a lc that can cleanse and she will be decent

Once robin is out bailu will get her time in the spotlight too if the leaks are true about her giving 50 percent effect res. Hopefully they're not trolling me.

@asoret

2 ай бұрын

I think thats only whaling with eidolons, if you want that you would do better with aventurine

@IdeasAreBulletproof

2 ай бұрын

That's from E4 Robin

I think they will release just "adult version" Bailu as new limited 5 Star :)