Want to get your hands on my Obsidian templates, Custom CSS, and Mermaid Diagram code? 👉🏻️bryanjenkstech.ck.page/d4ec0713d5 00:00 Welcome 00:13 Intro 00:23 What we're talking about today 00:56 github.com/BryanJenksCommunity/FAQ/discussions 01:32 Context and background 01:40 kzread.info/dron/85D7ERwhke7wVqskV_DZUA.html 02:11 Why and How are links and tags different in Obsidian 02:52 The reason i use tags as indicators of status 03:14 tags are soft links 03:45 Graph view filtering based on status 04:51 Hard Links link files together 06:05 Commonly referenced tags getting promoted to MOC 07:27 Seeing the emerging structure of the vault 07:46 Avoiding front loaded heirarchical structuring 08:21 Dealing with a top level organization 09:43 Tag notes that exist but are not yet MOCs 11:37 Traversing the linked MOCs 12:19 Seeing your web of MOCs 14:24 bryanjenkstech.ck.page/d4ec0713d5 14:54 This practice is critical to managing a top level pool of notes 16:18 Define your structure as you go not front loaded 19:07 Wrapping up 20:01 Outro

@learnfromany4064

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Bryan! Really useful approach for seeing what structure emerges through links. How do we acces the templates and all the obsidian goodies? I've subscribed to the newsletter but didn't receive them

@BryanJenks

3 жыл бұрын

@@learnfromany4064 depending on which newsletter sign up you may not have gotten them. send me a DM on discord and ill hook you up :) discord.gg/MxCVshN

@e555t66

2 жыл бұрын

The discord link doesn't work anymore.

@BryanJenks

2 жыл бұрын

@@e555t66 just tested, it still does

@xemtuvi-nhiettinh-az

Ай бұрын

Excuse me bro i am using on my tablet, but i dont see this feature like yours at 3:58; a search bar # file is very useful

I like the workflow process of watching your "uncreated node" tags to see where your interest is clustering, and then promoting that node to being a "topic" in your MOC. Especially as an alternative to forcing a top-down hierarchy. Thanks for sharing!

@BryanJenks

3 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

I love the rigor of your thought process, your generosity in providing it, and your compassion in underlining that each person’s path is unique. Thanks!

@BryanJenks

3 жыл бұрын

You are so welcome!

@SamBorgman

Жыл бұрын

@@BryanJenks Bryan, this is old but if you see this it would help a lot. What if I use tags instead of links to files that don't exist, and then if a tag node becomes big how would I turn it into a MOC file? Guess there is no way to do that. I'm new to Obsidian and still can't feel comfortable with non-existant links. It just feels like I would want to click it expecting that file to have a MOC like content.

i've been watching obsidian videos and this is the first one where it finally clicked with me. Everyone's examples are turning books they read into content. I work in STEM and your examples with MOCs for an information data not just interpretation of content is perfect...Thank you!!

@BryanJenks

Жыл бұрын

glad to help! you might also enjoy my dendron video :)

This is by far the most flexible system I have seen in Obsidian. It cuts down my anxiety in choosing the "perfect" system

@BryanJenks

2 ай бұрын

Glad to hear!

First time viewer... The distinction between your "Second Brain" and your Zettelkasten is spot-on. My primary vault is my "Universal Notebook" and my zettelkasten is a subset of that. Using Nick Milo's MOC approach for organic structure makes the whole thing possible.

@BryanJenks

3 жыл бұрын

most of my ZK is denoted with 4 status tags, everything else is MOC's or other notes like for school or my daily notes. #🌱️ seedling ideas #🌞️ incubating ideas #🌲️ evergreen notes #📥️ inputs

@AK-ox3mv

2 жыл бұрын

@@BryanJenks im looking for full list of what you mentioned in 4:00 . Can you list all of them, because they don't have name in video and i dont know in which video i can find them. Thanks

Hey Bryan, this is great! This "system" features the Zettelkasten-Principle that order and structure is a bottom-up-process and not a top-down-hierarchy. Very inspiring! Thanks!

@BryanJenks

3 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

The whole moc thing seems like a really smart way to build up your note. Keep up the great work.

@BryanJenks

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks man :) its all a bit cerebral but its fun 🤣️

You finally explained why I feel weird with my current workflow, I actually prefer using links over tags. Thank you so much. In the current version of Obsidian, we can put internal links in the front matter properties, I'm using this because I don't want to contaminate the file itself with some "Tags" field that does not belong to the content.

@BryanJenks

Ай бұрын

Yas! After the links started working in the YAML I started doing that too for that very reason!

I saw all your videos about obsidian and i can say that i've know everything about it now thanks from Egypt

@BryanJenks

3 жыл бұрын

Always more to learn, glad you find the videos helpful!

One of the best videos in building a second brain in Obsidian - helped me to resolve most of the friction in my system

@BryanJenks

3 жыл бұрын

awesome to hear!

I agree that having to "decide" which category an information falls when we have information which relate to multiple disciplines is a pain which suffocates the productivity. Thank you for this video. 😊

@BryanJenks

3 ай бұрын

My pleasure!

I LOVE IT!! Being new I didn't realize how I can use the graph to locate/visual my reference points. Game changer. Thank you!!

@BryanJenks

Жыл бұрын

My pleasure :)

1:40 Nick Milo definitely popularized the term _MoC_ in the Obsidian Community. However, he said that he took the term from a book called "How to Make a Complete Map of Every Thought You Think" by Lion Kimbro. I've skimmed over it; it's a chaotic read with lots of interesting ideas.

@LinkEX

3 жыл бұрын

Here's an online read of the book: users.speakeasy.net/~lion/nb/html/doc001.html

@BryanJenks

3 жыл бұрын

after i filmed this video like 5 weeks ago i did see him post/talk about that, too late to edit that now lol but thanks for the link! I'll check that out

@DrDanAllosso

3 жыл бұрын

@@LinkEX Thanks for posting! I'll check this out!

@hieu-zf6qq

3 жыл бұрын

it's also talked about in "how to take smart notes" by ahrens

@DrDanAllosso

3 жыл бұрын

@@hieu-zf6qq Yes, I've read that once; planning on going back through it again in the near future and extracting permanent notes.

Bryan, as a Roam refugee migrating into Obsidian (with virtually zero knowledge of Markdown & CSS), your videos have been TREMENDOUSLY helpful to establish an academic workflow as I prepare for doctoral studies. Many thanks many times over 🤘

@BryanJenks

2 жыл бұрын

Wow, thank you! I'm glad they've been so helpful1 :D

You have the best zettelkasten interpretation

@BryanJenks

3 жыл бұрын

well thank you 😅️

Bryan is my Obsidian guru.

@BryanJenks

3 жыл бұрын

😊️

Wow.. just wow. Ive really been struggling with the topology of my notes, mostly being technical in nature (IT/security engineering) and this is absolutely the answer for me. I've struggled to find fellow users capturing similar topics here on YT, but you nailed it Bryan!

@BryanJenks

2 жыл бұрын

im glad you found it helpful :)

This helped so much man its a very relaxed and intuitive approach to it as compared to most other videos ive seen

@BryanJenks

Ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

This was really interesting! As someone who is new to Zettelkasten, I would love to see your flow of how you capture something and then put it in your system.

@BryanJenks

3 жыл бұрын

i have several livestreams that are still public and several that are unlisted for patreon patrons only where i do just that :)

Thank you for making this video. It really gave me another perspective as to how to create a space that I like best for the way I like to work. You are doing an amazing job! You got my support in patreon :D

@BryanJenks

3 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful! and thank you so much for your patronage! WOW!

Mind blown! I was just looking how people linked and back linked things together I never knew tags were that powerful to organize. That now makes me consider using my vault as my daily todo list.

@BryanJenks

Жыл бұрын

:)

This was sooo helpful, thank you so much for sharing. I've been haphazardly journalling/linking in Obsidian for a year now and only learned about the Zettelkasten system just recently. It's really intimidating to get started but we're finally getting there :)

@BryanJenks

2 жыл бұрын

glad you found it helpful :)

Hey Bryan! Your pic in the thumbnail is literally me when I watch your obsidian tutorials haha... it's complex but you make it easily understandable! thanks ..Have a good day/night!

@BryanJenks

3 жыл бұрын

Glad i make it understandable :)

Oooh! I feel so smart - I just started in Obsidian and came to this same strategy. Since I like a bit of hierarchy, I end up having a folder I call 'Concepts & Ideas' and will make a note about some concept that I'm working on, and then I'll backlink from source notes.

@BryanJenks

Жыл бұрын

nice!

It's very interesting to Bryan's process for creating these nodes. I was drawn to Obsidian because of how it used the Graph view, but several months in my graph view makes very little sense, and I have hundreds of tags that I'm not using in very useful way, so I'm very inspired to take up this method. A big problem I face now is how I would actually go about converting all of my note tags to links quickly and avoiding errors. I've previously done this manually for other things (like adding metadata) and it's taken a very long time.

@BryanJenks

3 жыл бұрын

in that case if you were changing a swathe of #psychology tags for books and wanted something like [[psychology]] then i would probably just used the `sed` command like utility to do a bulk replace. you could also do with by opening your vault in something like VSCode and doing a global text replacement

I’ve watched this twice now - really, really helpful video.

@BryanJenks

3 жыл бұрын

♥️

The bit when you filtered out the top level tags to create the tiny graph that represents the whole graph blew my mind

@BryanJenks

3 жыл бұрын

I love the high level network view too :)

I'm a user o Roam Research, but every day I open Obsidian to make some tests to see how to program works and follow all the updates and improvements. I'm in a given stage that I feel lost among all the content I have in Roam Research. I believe the way to manage all the information I have inside would be to print only the connections among topics - links and tags removing documents with data. For this purpose, they only polluted the graph. Roam doesn't offer this feature - it allows only to remove log days (BTW, this feature would be beneficial in Obsidian because if I move all the log days to another folder to disregard them using filters, all the content are ignored) Thank you very much for your explanation. Now I see a way to meet my needs.

@BryanJenks

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you found the video helpful! :)

This video was enlightening for me. I'm a Masters student who recently started using Obsidian and I'm trying to implement Zettelkasten in preparation for my dissertation, but I was really struggling in how to structure it in such a way that I do not impose a top-down taxonomy, while also not losing track of notes. This links as tags system as well as the MOC trees that dynamically build over time was really the missing link for me. I'm definitely going to implement my own version of this. Thanks for your great videos!

@BryanJenks

3 жыл бұрын

Glad they helped you!

Thank you Bryan! this video helps me a lot. I use obsidian for less than a month and find it marvelous as a note-taking app.

@BryanJenks

3 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

12:00 going back and forward then going to the graph and unchecking the tags/attachments. Holy shiiitt that was insane also this isnt complex at all, its actually common sense. the issue for me would be how to set it up and not OVERDO it or underdo it, perhaps even have enough info to even add to it. What Im thinking I could do only is keep it as my personal brain instead. Was planning for game development but I feel this is way more powerful to only do one thing. even then maybe thats the route to take to practice? idk ill think about it. LOVE it 100%, thank you so much in showing the potential of creating a library within Obsidian...

@BryanJenks

7 ай бұрын

glad your enjoyed it :)

Thanks, this is very helpful to me! I was initially confused by MOCs because they seemed to go against the grain of how Obsidian should be used but now, this serendipitous discovery of MOCs makes a lot more sense. Also (and this is unrelated) I think hierarchies (such as folder structures) are generally flawed which is why inheritance is so frowned upon in Object Oriented Programming.

@BryanJenks

Жыл бұрын

i still think that MOC's are the way to go, i use folders to some degree but they are few and far between and not really for my actual ZK at all

Thanks, you've made me rethink my current structure and it's potential future pitfalls. 🐄

@BryanJenks

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you found it helpful! 🐄️

I'm gonna start using Obsidian in the next future, so I'm watching videos here and there to gather different POVs. I've seen Nick Milo's videos and they were pretty good and clear, but this approach is life-changing. Thanks!!

@BryanJenks

Жыл бұрын

glad you enjoyed it!

I think I'll need to watch this at least two more times to catch everything. I might've got distracted by the local graph thing which I hadn't realised was a thing... super useful.

@BryanJenks

2 жыл бұрын

heh heh enjoy!

This was really interesting! Thanks for sharing your method of working. I have been so trapped in nested folders... I think this might be just the thing I need

@BryanJenks

7 ай бұрын

glad to help!

i find this idea so cool!! i instantly implemented this into my vault 💕

@BryanJenks

3 жыл бұрын

I'm so glad!

This system is so cool and feels like a great long-term investment. It terrifies me to not use folders but I think it's time to take the plunge.

@BryanJenks

4 ай бұрын

at 3+ years it has been a long term investment for me haha

70% practical demo and 30% philosophy that is really helping me to understand the difference between the zettelkasten method and digital knowledge management system vs nested file organization which is where I’ve lived my whole life and my brain and computer are a mess it’s as if I have no knowledge. Anyway, thank you for this, it has been immensely helpful for this noob. I think I’ll try your structure. Deep breath…let gooo of the folders…

@BryanJenks

2 жыл бұрын

the folders paradigm is the hardest change to move away from but once i did there's a lot of new flexibility to discover and explore, good luck on your journey! :)

This has seriously leveled-up and changed my vault paradigm!

@BryanJenks

2 жыл бұрын

im glad!

Hi Bryan! Thank you for another great video! Very dense and thought provoking (these are my favorite videos :-)). I will be watching it multiple times for sure!

@BryanJenks

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

14:30 I think having a handful of "real tags" like Moc/Evergreen/Work in Progress/Published/Etc it's a great alternative to folders. Now I get it. Thanks for the great content.

@BryanJenks

Жыл бұрын

my pleasure!

What's really cool about this system is that you can use `aliases` to mask a tag's "note" under several different names using YAML frontmatter: --- aliases: ["cuisine", "sustenance"] --- # Food Now if you try to tag [[cuisine]] instead of [[food]], it'll catch it. Now, of course, tags are still imperfect, but you can help alleviate the fragmented "tag hell" with aliases.

@BryanJenks

3 жыл бұрын

there are also nested tags as well :)

the answer to every thing I walked away from Obsidian for. Here's to a creative return, thank you.

@BryanJenks

Жыл бұрын

My pleasure :)

wow, really a useful way of using the graph. Thanks Bryan,

@BryanJenks

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you like it!

Very interesting approach to tags and the use of links to create a MOC from bottom-up. Thanks for sharing, you gave me new insights to work on!

@BryanJenks

3 жыл бұрын

you are too kind :)

It's been about a year since I started using Obsidian and I wasn't sold on this approach, but now I can see the benefits. I like using tags generally, but I dislike how Graph View doesn't show *only* tags, and I dislike how tags link to a search term. Status tags and that sort of thing ftw

@BryanJenks

2 жыл бұрын

One of us, one of us, one of us

Thank you! Incredibly helpful video. This has really helped me organize my vault.

@BryanJenks

2 жыл бұрын

im glad!

Good approach - I use TAGs for categories and status - and now trying to use links more as topics and subjects - MOC is good term/approach

@BryanJenks

2 жыл бұрын

check out my 4hr video too on this, lots of content in that one :)

This is EXACTLY what I needed! Love the way you incorporated a way to file notes that includes spaced repetition, which is going to be SUPER helpful with my programming classes 🫠. And I’m learning I’m not a huge fan of keeping nested folders organized, loved this approach!

@BryanJenks

Жыл бұрын

glad you found it helpful!

This is the video I have been waiting for!!! Thanks Bryan :)

@BryanJenks

3 жыл бұрын

oh im so glad :D hope you enjoy it!

Thanks for showing us this part of your workflow. Sending hugs from Chile!

@BryanJenks

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve just watched this one for a second time and it was just the right time to see it, I think I am going to alter my tags and links to this method as I now have, alongside literature notes, notes about JavaScript and notes tracking TV series and even things to do with World of Warcraft. You nailed it on head a second brain is far more than Zettelkasten.

@BryanJenks

2 жыл бұрын

I have this video pinned and i have been watching it several times 🤣every day! But finally I think I managed to organize my mocs with backlinks. I am studying art theory and this is quite overwhelming at times. I really like your approach to Obsidian: thanks a lot from Lisbon!

@BryanJenks

Жыл бұрын

Glad you found it helpful! :D

Thank you for the video, I’m starting using obsidian, most probably I’ll use this approach, it’s great!

@BryanJenks

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

For those of you who don’t get the point of this video, come back to it after making about 30 notes using your own link and tag system. It makes so much sense.

@BryanJenks

3 жыл бұрын

💜️

I think this concept is particularly interesting because MOCs and tags are essentially the same thing. Im new to PKM and was considering using hierarchical tags as a more flexible replacement to folders, but obviously each level of tag should also have an MOC. Putting them together, then, reduces friction and prevents redundancy. I do wish there was a way to separate normal links and links that you use as tags, though, e.g. being able to link a normal tag to a primary MOC note

@BryanJenks

2 жыл бұрын

the way that i use the links as tags, them being one in the same is actually the intention

Thanks that helps, I was coming from notion , and was in delimma of how get some form of top down hierarchy.

@BryanJenks

3 жыл бұрын

:)

Thanks for these videos! I'ven been using your channel to polish my PKM system on Obsidian.

@BryanJenks

2 жыл бұрын

Great to hear!

I’m starting my C++ classes today, I like your connections, trying to implement one similar that will work for me. Thanks for the content will probably watch more videos

@BryanJenks

2 жыл бұрын

Best of luck! Have you seen my C++ Notes?

This is sort of what I was doing but not anywhere near as well. This was very helpful.

@BryanJenks

3 жыл бұрын

glad it's helped :)

Looking at your graph :) You've created a new Solar System. Love it. Great content.

@BryanJenks

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Tied it up nicely at the end, well done.

@BryanJenks

2 жыл бұрын

thank you!

This is brilliant! Could you expand on what is your "ideas" MOC? My understanding is that you use your tags as a hierarchy system in defining the maturity of the note. Going from seedling to evergreen is clear, from tag to MOC as well. But how do you go from evergreen to tag?

@BryanJenks

6 ай бұрын

evergreen to tag? i think you're confusing something in my system

Love this approach. Very interesting. Thanks!

@BryanJenks

3 жыл бұрын

Im glad you enjoyed the video! thank you for being here! :)

GREAT tip using links as tags! Definitely going to implement this.

@BryanJenks

2 жыл бұрын

glad you like it!

Thanks for sharing mate ! :)

@BryanJenks

8 сағат бұрын

My pleasure!

One issue I have with the Moc approach is that it leads to nodes that don't need to be articles. For example, I do link the name of my partner in my diaries regularly. This has led to an article the only purpose of which is managing those references. There's no information I would want to put in there that I don't have readily available unless I suffer general amnesia. In other words: the only purpose of that node is to act as a tag. Now, in my graph view, It still stands out as a huge note that seems to scream "create an article here" at me, even though I don't want to because I'm not going to write a dossier about my partner just because I want to fill in a note file in Obsidian. The only solution here seems to be to actually work with tags - or is there another way to go about this?

@BryanJenks

Жыл бұрын

tags yes, or also just graph filters

Excelente video. Es muy útil conocer perspectivas de trabajo con la aplicación.

@BryanJenks

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

Interesting use of 'tags' as status and empty pages as "#tags" as links, creating space for more refinement, etcr One thing that has always erred is the 'tagging'/'linking' where Byran Jenks doesn't equal Jenks Byran... ... so building the tags library - and where these are more often short phrases, there is a need to periodically check to ensure limited duplication via different phrasing, etc., so links between different content creators' works in their notes (who use different terminology)... ... what have you got there?

@BryanJenks

3 жыл бұрын

for people i follow a convntion of [[@first last]] and each person gets their own note, not a tag

Awesome video as always Bryan! 🙏

@BryanJenks

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

I saw a good way for such tag-links in someone's channel. The author used so called "zero links". For example, I have a tag-link "obsidian" and I connect to the tag everything related to building my current setup in Obsidian. And the tag-link as zero link will look as "00 obsidian". And it allows creating zero links very fast. When I want to connect my new note to some topic I just write [[00 ]] and I see a list of my zero links without any other notes, coz it's filtered due to prefix "00" and it looks quite aesthetically. "00" is like a substitution for "#". Maybe someone will find it useful.

This is super insightful. Thank you!

@BryanJenks

2 жыл бұрын

♥️

Came for the tags vs links, can't focus because I needed to read all the ADHD stuff ^^

@BryanJenks

3 ай бұрын

hahaha those notes are public too :)

Great video thank you, do you have an introduction video or work-along type of video to setup a solid obsidian workflow from scratch?

@BryanJenks

3 жыл бұрын

Not yet! but i'm cooking up something in that general area of things :)

At 11:17, #🗺 is prepended with the word Tags. How come it's not prepended with the word Status? It looksl ike the rules might be: - A "note" has one Status (a soft link, eg evergreen note), many Tags (which are hard links to related ideas), and no Links. - A "MOC" has one Tags (a soft link, which should always be #🗺), one Links (a hard links that go back up the tree), and no "Status". In this case, for a MOC, Tags is the same thing as Status on a note, and the Tags concept from a note just doesn't exist for a MOC, as the only hard link in the header goes up the tree. Does that sound right, or am I missing something here?

@BryanJenks

Жыл бұрын

this video is a bit dated, so the workflow has changed a bit since this

Thank you for letting us take a peek at your 2nd Brain 🙏🏼

@BryanJenks

Жыл бұрын

my pleasure :)

hello there! thx for the explanation, really concise video. I noticed that you have Status/Tags/Links/References at the end of a note. You've covered status and tags, and I also saw that you use Links to link notes to MOC and MOCs between each other. Maybe I've lost it somewhere in the video, but could you comment on what is a "Reference" here in your notation, and how it differs from a "Link"?

@BryanJenks

7 ай бұрын

reference and link are meant to be the same thing in this context

I think I’m on my 4th viewing. The concepts are great but my aging brain needs the repetition.

@BryanJenks

Жыл бұрын

:)

I like the theme you're using. Somehow reminds me of VS Code's Kimbie Dark. Is that Obsidian gruvbox? Anyways, I think I'll have to trim down on my tags because I use a lot. 😆

@BryanJenks

Жыл бұрын

Yep! But with a lot of custom additions :)

@jdcv17

Жыл бұрын

@@BryanJenks Noticed that. Would be nice to see how you customized it to your liking. I might try gruvbox later on. I'm currently using Shiba Inu.

Another good vid too, thanks.

@BryanJenks

3 жыл бұрын

glad you enjoyed it!

8:09 So jealous of folks that can run their setup without folders. I really need some structure for mine.

@BryanJenks

Жыл бұрын

its a paradigm shift for sure

Great video on using tags and building up knowledge. Can you share your method for assigning the emoji tags to notes? Noticed you had a popup dropdown menu of your tags to select from. Is this a javascript dropdown menu that you select items based on each item having a hotkey?

@BryanJenks

3 жыл бұрын

i use an alfred workflow call emoji taco (macOS only app) on windows you can use META+. o open an emoji window and there's also an emoji plugin for obsidian as well

hey bryan, nice content - keep going! 13:44 Why do you have to decide if you want to link learning to PKM or Interests ? What would be the drawback if you link it to both MOCs? It may destroys the look your "clean " ordered meta map. But imo the flexibility to don't decide whether it is more matching to MOC A or MOC B is one of the powers of MOCs.

@BryanJenks

3 жыл бұрын

i actually do link the MOCs to more than just it's parent now actually, had that epiphany myself recently :) just posted an image of it to the discord server a few minutes ago actually discord.com/channels/686053708261228577/709712341066842113/801184855391076353

Loved the video. What is the color scheme it’s so good 🙂?

@BryanJenks

3 жыл бұрын

Gruvbox :)

Thank you for this informative content! Amazing dataview you have there Bryan :) whose apple is it? Adam's, Newton's, or Jobs's?

@BryanJenks

Жыл бұрын

glad you enjoyed it!

all sounds fine and dandy, but in the end, all the moc-stuff is also just a glorified, prettier folder structure

@BryanJenks

Жыл бұрын

there are some distinct differences, such as a note connecting to multiple MOC's without duplication for one, how do i file one thing into 2 folders without duplication? there is no need for any folders or filing only linkages which is a massive reduction of work as there is no filing to do.

@Thorenhard

Жыл бұрын

@@BryanJenks filing is not work. if you tag something a lot, make a note for it. delete the tags, put everything related in the note, done - you have a comprehensive manual for a topic. markdown is great dor structuring it. if a thing only comes up once, dont tag it. it will be easy to find. if a note connects to multiple mocs, in a way that suggests it is equally important to those multiple mocs, it is not specific or atomic enough. also, you can still link from one note to another, in another folder. this is why i say it is just folders with extra steps. creating a moc, typing all those links and making it pretty, when i can just use a folder and put everything in is a lot more work. just to have some pretty graph view - which has no use case except for looking pretty.

Bryan, Can you share your ADHD article? seems interesting. And, 03:32 nice looking graph. 👍

@BryanJenks

3 жыл бұрын

What article? and thanks!

@RaveenKumar

3 жыл бұрын

@@BryanJenks Whatever you have opened at 02:27. The note.

@BryanJenks

3 жыл бұрын

@@RaveenKumar here it is! publish.obsidian.md/bryan-jenks/ADHD+hyperfocus+is+a+double+edged+sword+of+both+deep+work+and+avoidance

Thanks for sharing! What are the physics settings on your graph that lets these clusters emerge? My maps are still fairly uniformly messy, perhaps that's because I don't have large enough of node/network hubs yet?

@BryanJenks

3 жыл бұрын

cant share images here, but if you ask on the FAQ repo i can drop an image :) github.com/BryanJenksCommunity/FAQ/discussions

this is actually the correct zk method. you are talking about index notes and keyword notes where index notes contain moc and keyword notes contain index notes.

@BryanJenks

3 жыл бұрын

:)

Great great video, thank you Bryan. I have to things to point out, if you let me. First, I've noticed your notes about C++, all of them starts with 'C++ ...' in their titiles. Don't you feel a little friction in having to be redundant like that ? Wouldn't be nice to have a 'C++' folder for that ? I mean not a structure of nested folders, but just one for each big topic, so you can avoid redundancy in note titles. Besides, each of these folders would have a 'moc' note which will relate all the notes in that folder. Sounds that like a good strategy for you ? Second, is there a really clear reason to have both 'tag' and 'moc' tags ? In my mind they seem to have the same purpose (relate or categorize notes), the only difference is having or not links to notes pointing to them. I mean, for example why in the graph view would I show only 'moc' and no 'tag' notes (or viceversa) ? I really appreciate your work and help on such interesting topics, thank you !!

@BryanJenks

2 жыл бұрын

old video, workflow has had many changes since this video

🐄 interesting, many thanks

@BryanJenks

3 жыл бұрын

my pleasure :)

But what do you do after converting a tag to a moc link? Do you leave them in your Tags: section on your page or do you move all the links them from the tag section to the links section of every page?

Hey Bryan, love your video's about Obsidian! What status tags do you use? I couldn't find a list of all of them. Or are they one of you video's? Keep up the good work 💪

@BryanJenks

3 жыл бұрын

i keep my taxonomy note on my public brain :) publish.obsidian.md/bryan-jenks/Status+Tags

@andreaparado38

3 жыл бұрын

@@BryanJenks the link is giving a 404 error. Is there a new link?

Damn, you are awesome.

@BryanJenks

3 жыл бұрын

well thank you :)

May I ask - what is the practical outcome of doing all of this categorisations, linking, seeing how your MOCs are connected, having 10s of statues etc? Is there actually anything we can get from it, except a geeky archive of notes? I'm not arguing, just curios because I tried to do all of this, and figured out that I keep asking myself a question "waht is the point of me spending time on this?", and couldn't find any practical answer.

@BryanJenks

10 ай бұрын

There are many practical reasons, many of which I’ve mentioned in several videos. Search-ability, a writing aid with reference sources and linked ideas, keeping’s tabs on a large body of work and research, the list goes on

Nice vid. Two questions: how to add icons to tags and how to put colour into the graph view? Thank you.

@BryanJenks

3 жыл бұрын

an emoji insertion tool, on windows its the Win+. key combo. im on macOS so im using Alfred. Linux there's options like Dmenu and xclip. Graph view colors are done through CSS

Thanks for the video! What I struggle to understand from my usage but also watching your video is: how do you separate actual facts (a business work like this etc) from your own things/idea/projects (my business projects are these etc)? On your system they would be both linked to "business" moc page. Given you also don't use tags for this separation how do you manage this important distinction?

@BryanJenks

3 жыл бұрын

i do use tags though, my emoji tags. if its concrete facts and not my own ideas then they dont get a tag within the zettelkasten workflow. For thing that are part of the zettelkasten it goes from 🌱️ --> 🌿️ --> 🌞️ --> 🌲️

So it’s kinda a reverse mind map where parent nodes emerge. We just call them a moc later.

@BryanJenks

3 жыл бұрын

bottom up organization :)