I just uploaded another CPU focused video of Helldivers 2 testing the game across multiple generations of Ryzen CPU's. My Ryzen 2600/3700X/5900X/7700X and 7800X 3D. Link here if interested. Thank you so much for watching this video and the positive reception it means a lot. kzread.info/dash/bejne/gmZmuZWjd5rJeKQ.htmlsi=jrI14WDnJ1js8Rel

I misslabeled the footage at 8:58 in the upper left corner it saus Ultra Quality, it's actually Quality Render Scale footage. Ultra Quality begins at 11:57 but must watch from 8:58 at the very least for context.

Dude THANK YOU so much for this!

A good test would be extration in helldive difficulty. With multiple titan, charger, ennemy bombardement and a 100 bugs running after you. Launch the extract at the same timer to avoid variation in density as much as possible.

@TerraWare

5 ай бұрын

That's not a bad idea. It would hammer the CPU for sure.

@BonejanglesTV

5 ай бұрын

@@TerraWare I'd also imagine it'd be pretty hard to test as it would be hard to stay alive long enough to record the footage, lol

Thanks for the comparison. It warms my heart after I built my new rig with this 7800X3D. Best gaming CPU in the world.

The real question is,do you need to upgrade if you have a 5900x cpu,short answer is no.the rest is all marketing.

@jak3All3n

5 ай бұрын

upgrade if you want, don't if you don't want

@theyeetus1428

5 ай бұрын

It depends on your needs, but have in mind that a 7600x can even be faster than a 5900x. (For gaming purposes, that is)

@CasualClinkz

5 ай бұрын

Yeah If you have high end last gen of the platform you probably can skip the entire next generation

@austiinos

5 ай бұрын

i upgraded because i wanted to be on am5 from a 5900x. its for sure not needed

@imkvn4681

5 ай бұрын

Facts! Am4 and 1300k series chipsets are viable solutions. GFX 30 series and 6700 series still viable as well. 7900xts and 4090s were the only outstanding chips out of the current gen and were up sales!

14900k with 4090. My build runs avg 133fps in 4k but I always lock my frame rate down to 117 for a consistent frame time.. love the video 👍

@TerraWare

5 ай бұрын

Nice. Wish I had a 14900 or 13900k to do 7800X 3D comparison. The game can get quite hectic in the higher difficulties group play. Performance can vary quite a bit.

@KiSs0fd3aTh

2 ай бұрын

@@TerraWare Here is a stock 12900k if you want to compare. Im running 1080p ultra with upscaling to remove the gpu bottleneck. I can try Ocing if you wanna see how it does and unpload a video.

My 5800X3d usage was 80-100% in 2K Ultra, render scale was high Quality or Native, Gpu was 7900XT, it's insane game..

@TerraWare

6 ай бұрын

Yes it can be quite CPU heavy and if you open your task manager the anti cheat also uses some CPU resources which isnt really a surprise.

What I've found is that this game has very good latency. Maybe they do some trickery that results on the GPU not being maxed. I can confirm this behavior is the same with an RX 6800

@TerraWare

5 ай бұрын

Yup! I've tested and done a video on my 6800xt, 3080ti and 7900XTX. It's ataroumd 95%

@nvssk3ptic

5 ай бұрын

@@TerraWaresame thing with my 4080

@Gen.Zero13

5 ай бұрын

it because that anit cheat make cpu 100%

There's a lot of talk about helldivers 2 performance getting worse with patches. (especially since .400) I'd love to see an updated comparison. Was suprised to see cpu usage like this 4 months ago. Currently my 5800x3d is having cores hit 98% @1440 w/3070 and low settings. Seeing gpu usage drop into the 60s in full squads. Edit after replay: i should have mentioned that this high usage is kicking in at not far above 72 fps

@TerraWare

Ай бұрын

I have received quite a few comments across my videos of people making similar claims. It may warrant another look.

Good video. I noticed nice gains in some different games also once I upgraded my CPU to my 7950x3D. I had the 5900x before that. Very game dependent but think newer games will take more advantage of the newer CPUs

@ivanpoberezhniuk9694

4 ай бұрын

Also, you upgraded RAM from ddr4 to ddr5. From 3000+ to 6000+ clocks.

@RJTHEGAME

4 ай бұрын

@@ivanpoberezhniuk9694 👍

@RJTHEGAME

4 ай бұрын

@@ivanpoberezhniuk9694 Yeah I was actually a bit concerned with AM5 motherboards at first because of the worldwide issues of stability, but I've not had any issues whatsoever with Gigabyte Aorus. Think I also bought it around the time they released fixes for AM5 boards.

@ivanpoberezhniuk9694

4 ай бұрын

@@RJTHEGAME i didn’t see any problems with my too. My prev message was about memory upgrade, which also gives use performance boost, especially in 1% and in 0.1% scenarios.

I really appreciate your cpu benches, i know its one of harder things to test but they are way more interesting than gpu tests at least for me 😄

@TerraWare

6 ай бұрын

CPU benches tend to not be as popular as GPU but I like looking at em too.

lowering draw distance eases stress on the CPU, could you test it? also direct 11 vs 12, myself i have i7-8700k and ffeels like i have better fps on dx11, my cpu is 95% used all cores on both of them.

@TerraWare

5 ай бұрын

I did a DX11 vs 12 dedicated video 2 days ago here kzread.info/dash/bejne/i2qmr5OhabKYgto.htmlsi=5uUxe1xDCEKg2igU

@wtfskilz

4 ай бұрын

DX11 is almost always better. It doesn't matter if you have NVidia or AMD. When I had my 1070 almost every time DX11 beat DX12. Usually by a few %. It's the same story on my 7900XT DX11 superior over DX12 while Vulkan beats them both. I started playing Witcher 3 on DX11 even though I have to sacrifice my HDR, because the improvement is like a 40% up lift going from DX12, back to DX11. There is only one game that DX12 is better than 11 and that's World of Warcraft, because that game is very CPU bound.

I love watching these videos.

Amazing video, just what I needed to help push me to upgrade my cpu (currently rocking an old Ryzen 2600 lol) so I can spread democracy with some high frames. Thanks for showing all the different resolutions since I mainly game at 1440p.

@TerraWare

5 ай бұрын

I have a Ryzen 2600 and have been thinking of checking out to see how it runs.

@ratking27

5 ай бұрын

I went from a 2600x to a 5800x3d about a year ago. The performance increase was insane!

@stefanh7405

4 ай бұрын

@@ratking27thinking about the Same trade

@03Manto

4 ай бұрын

i had a 1600 af (witch is a 2600 with lower speed and voltage) and changed to a 5600 and the difference is notable in every game, i also changed my graphics card several times 1050 ti > 3050 > 4060 ti and they obv make a difference too but a better cpu was needed to see more fps. now i play in between 80 to 110 fps depending the mission and planet and it drops from 80 to 60 and from 110 to 80 some times (i use it unccaped bcs of 144hz monitor but if i were to play in 60 or 70 fps there would be no fps drop) i used some high settings and other medium or low depending how much they are optimized and if they impact on cpu or gpu

@TerraWare

4 ай бұрын

@@03Manto Yeah thats a very slow CPU for this game lol. I did a video with 2600 vs 3700x vs 6900x vs 7700X vs 5900x. Huge jump from 2600 to 3700X

5900x continues to be an absolute beast.

30% faster and 45-50w more efficient on average. Well done to AMD, they really came through with AM5 although AM4 is still great ofc but you can't deny this generational leap in performance and efficiency. I'm impressed. Also great job on your side by side comparisons and presentation, your videos have drastically gone up in quality overall and they were already great to begin with 🤘

@TerraWare

6 ай бұрын

Yes the power efficiency on the 7800X 3D is quite impressive. Even when compared to the non vcache 7700X which I own one btw and I keep forgetting haha.

@stangamer1151

6 ай бұрын

12 core CPUs are always less efficient than 8 core CPUs. You should either compare 5900X to 7900X or 7800X3D to 5800X3D. Then the differnece in performance would be smaller and power consumption would be pretty much identical.

@TerraWare

6 ай бұрын

Would be nice to compare R9 Zen 2 to 3 but don't have em. Have made a couple comparisons between my 7700X and 7800X3D though. The X3D is noticably more efficient

On some Automaton planets my 4090 / 7700X dips bellow 60 fps when there's really crap ton of stuff happening at the same time. Mostly during those hectic defend missions. 😆

BTW just wanted to tell you that the new Adrenalin 24.2.1 driver has just been released by AMD, and it is especially aimed at this game. I wonder if it results in any perf gains for RDNA2/RDNA3 GPUs.

@TerraWare

6 ай бұрын

Awesome thanks for letting me know. Its definitely worth a look

what difficulty are you playing on? reports are that playing on hard difficulty and beyond causes huge cpu usage issue due to amount of bugs. please test on harder difficulties. like on hard I get drops down to high 40s on a 5900x and you are getting way better performance

@Dankyjrthethird

4 ай бұрын

Agree that any benchmark of this game needs to be done at high difficulty bug missions I play level 7 bugs regularly and i drop down into the upper 40s around extraction time too. Running a 5600x (overclocked on PBO) and a 3070. If you’re seeing something similar then think it’s normal.

@bull_chip

4 ай бұрын

​@@Dankyjrthethird 9 difficulty automatons missions shred my 7 5800x + 4070 super down to 45 fps sometimes

Shader compilation is done during the dive pod drop

Great video I dont think I'll upgrade any time soon I have a Ryzen 9 5950x paired with a RX 6800 XT 16GB card with a Samsung 990 Pro M.2 SSD so I'm running the game 4k ultra setting and getting beetween 60/70FPS so im very happy with my PC performance

@TerraWare

4 ай бұрын

Very nice. I have a 6800XT too, it's a great card.

@THiNK103088

3 ай бұрын

What's your ddr4 ram speed and timing? Apparently 5950x scales very well with high speed ram and good timings. It can get better performance than a 5800x3d for gaming

@THiNK103088

3 ай бұрын

By high I mean 4800+mhz

@nathanepp5307

3 ай бұрын

I'm not sure what my ram timing is but I know I have 64GB of ram DDR4 running at 3200 MHZ

i def see this on my 4090 and 5900x. times where my gpu is at 60-70% usage in game but cut scenes are in the high 80-90s

@davidfrazier6308

4 ай бұрын

but its the same at 4k where the gpu take on most of the work the utilization is still all over the place on both gpu's i test a 4070 ti super and a 4070 12 gb

What one should look at is WHY 5900x uses 50-60 more watts, and why it also utilizes the GPU a lot less, and how to amend that issue. Otherwise the 7800x3D pretty much crushes the 5900x. I have the 5900x and would like to see if one could disable HT and only use the cores, and lock them at 5 mhz per core, and see if that makes any difference in performance. I have managed to get 4950 mhz with a aircooler with 70-80 degrees with heavy loads, BUT downclocking will happen due to heat build up above 60 degrees (AMD problem) where the cpu lands around 4,7 MHz on most cores where it fluctuates around there.

How did you manage to get that low cpu usage??? My cpu overheats and is on 90%-100% usage while playing helldivers 2

@JoHn-if6wy

3 ай бұрын

prolly gameguard that cooked ur PC. rip

Do you have the 10bit TAG Support turned on in the MB BIOS...???? Does not look so by the colors in the video. Do you have the ram compression turned off...??? Big difference in the 2 MB if you don't have it turned off. There is just way to much difference in speed for the numbers you are getting.

why is the setting on borderless window and not fullscreen?

@TerraWare

5 ай бұрын

With DX12 it doesnt really matter but I prefer borderless because of my multimonitor setup. That said I have tested Fullscreen as well. Its the same as far as performance.

been playing this game on my ryzen 7 2700 and even though its usually around 45 or 50 fps, I'm having a ton of fun. Can't wait to get a 5800X3D next week though, the different is going to be night and fucking day

@TerraWare

5 ай бұрын

You will see a nice gain in not just FPS but 1% lows too. I just finished capturing footage of Ryzen 2600/3700X/5900X/7700X and 7800X3D for another CPU focused video I am doing for this game. Ill be editing it tomorrow. I'm well aware of Ryzen 2000 gaming performance in this game. 1% lows drop to the 30s in intense moments.

@wileymanful

5 ай бұрын

@@TerraWareyeah, tell me about it. the average fps isnt *too* bad (still probably like half of what my GPU, an RX 6800 XT could really get with a better CPU), but the 1% lows is really when the CPU starts to beg. I've been using this chip for 5 and a half years and it's served me well, so I'll respectfully keep it in storage probably for a reuse. Very hyped for this 5800X3D, only thing I need to find out is whether to use a dark rock pro 4 air cooler or an AIO liquid cooler lmao..

Thanks, 5900x is cpu i am using and 7800x3d is one i wanna buy. This was excelent video!

@TerraWare

4 ай бұрын

It's a pretty nice jump in gaming performance.

How did you get your cou usage so low? I have an i9 and my cpu is hitting 100% at all times this is literally the only game where it goes over 10%

very good video and wish you good luck and how ur chanel progress in positive way!!soon 1k sub u deserved !!have great weekend !!

@TerraWare

6 ай бұрын

Thanks bud, apreciate it and good to see ya.

I511400F here, i have extreme temps on my cpu with the maxed mhz, like 80-90°C, idk why on previous updates it was running fine on 54-60°C, i cleaned and repasted and its the same, so i reduced the turbo ratio to 35- and now is on 70°-80° C, are that temps ok? and what could be the problem of overheating, i am very worried about this, i had this issue like for a month Stock Cooler also

frame drops are massive for me on a 5700x3d/3060 with 4 players and suicide or higher difficulty with ton of things going on the screen. it can drop to 20-50fps while I used to get smoother frames before updates when I was using a 5600 and this is on 1080p. Even on low, it's brutal unless I'm playing solo or on a low difficulty

@matheusdavoglio5589

Ай бұрын

5700x3d /4070... my fps drops from 90 to 50. gpu usage plummets with many things happening and with that the fps too

I think we need a video that compares 5800x vs 5800x3d in this game. I’m having issues with high cou usage and frame drops with a 5800x and I can’t see anything online about if a 5800x3d would be enough or if you have to go straight to 7800x3d 🤷‍♂️. I use a 7900xtx at 5k native

Any games that are spawn heavy or mmorpgs are more cpu intensives because of the amount of shadows it needs to process. Shadows are viscious to cpu. X3d chips does alot better with shadows because of the large cache.

Ryzen 3600 here cant complain about 1080p performance it runs well. Havent messed with settings but i bet you could get the game looking even better with either of those cpus Would be cool to upgrade to a 5800 someday

@Varue

3 ай бұрын

Mine runs like shit, often getting less than 40fps just on diff 7

I have the same combo 5900x with 4090 and almost a 4k screen. On some planets i drop to 40 fps, and it stays at that until we clear the gazillion bugs. I know the 5900x is bad for gaming. Still waiting on the new R CPUs to arrive (especially the new x3d) fingers crossed for Q4 this year.

i heard that the enemies are hosted based on systems. so the better ur pc, the more enemies will be hosted on ur pc vs ur teammates

@PixelatedWolf2077

5 ай бұрын

Well that explains alot 😂

@Sinsanatis

5 ай бұрын

@@PixelatedWolf2077 have u noticed it? looks like itll be me since i have the best pc out of my friends lol

@PixelatedWolf2077

5 ай бұрын

@Sinsanatis Yea I've been feeling the heat these past couple of days. I find myself getting overwhelmed by the blue ones that jump around and slap you. Lol

@Sinsanatis

5 ай бұрын

@@PixelatedWolf2077 guess ill find out when i squad up with my friends. waiting for them before i start any missions

This game will use every core on my 5950x. Buttery smooth!

Working on upgrading my R5 2600/16gb/1070 system to 32gb ram and a new CPU and GPU. IDK if an R7 5700/5800x3d is going to be worth it or not on an AM4+DDR4 system, especially since I'm going to most likely get an RX 7700xt or 7900gre. Or how the 5900x compares to the AM4 x3d cpus. Not gonna be streaming and mostly still going to be using my PC as a browser and HTPC machine. Gonna be playing lots of older or lower-spec games, but love Helldivers 2 and will likely pick up GTA 6 and future higher-spec racing games, as well as The Last of Us and some recent high-ish spec games that I haven't played yet like RDR2. Plus I want Cyberpunk to actually run well. What do you think? I prefer high presets, no upscaling, 1440p, 40fps 1% lows minimum (30fps 0.1% lows). Preferred 50-60fps 1% lows. Despite having a 120hz monitor I don't need the crazy frame rate for modern games as I play none of them competitively, and would simply lower the settings if I had to. Most comp games I play are either old, have low-performance requirements, or both, so I know I'll get insane FPS anyway.

@TerraWare

4 ай бұрын

I would go for a 5800X 3D.It would be a solid cpu even for a 7900XTX or 4090. You will see a huge jump in gaming CPU performance. I have done a 4 generations of Ryzen cpu comparison for Helldivers 2 (2600/3700X/5900X/7700X/7800X3D) Unfortunately dont have a 5800X 3D to throw in the mix but it should be between a 5800X and 7700X I would assume.

I have a Ryzen 7 3800x and no issues with the game. Hope this calms some people.

6:37 fresh recruits dropping into hell thats cute 😂🫡🫡

I play 1440p ultrawide. On a 5900x/3070 on balanced ultra settings and i get 108fps consistently. It works

I wonder how much DDR4 vs DDR5 has any impact? And the Ryzen 7800 X3D using 40% less power is impressive.

Pretty sure I've been running into issues with just a 6650xt (bios modded) and a 5600 non-x at 4.45ghz. Last patch brought lots of stuttering so I've been messing with settings and found I dont get huge frame drops with async compute on. With async med settings I'll drop from 80+fps to 15ish randomly and with async I stay above 50fps. Without asyc my gpu utilization is all over the place to add.

I have extensively tested this and found out that the bottleneck no one talks about especially on AMD Ryzen Systems is the Memory latency. Ryzen's CPU's performance scales heavily with RAM timings , Single Rank vs Dual Rank , Ram Frequency, etc. while intel doesn't scale that much with RAM. To fix this heavy system latency Requirement of Ryzen they Launched the x3D Chips which by adding more cache closer to CPU die fixes it's own flaw. The X3D chips should be standard issue from AMD.Most AMD CPU benchmarks you see on Internet are kinda misleading as they might be using Fast 3600 MT/s CL14 Dual Rank Memory and your avg guy RAM might be slowing down your PC by 10-50% depending on the Game/task. The Low Latency RAM could cost as much as 3x higher than regular RAM I would also like to mention Consoles, You might have seen Digital Foundry video where the talk about PS5 Equivalent PC and they use Ryzen 5 3600 + RTX 2070 Super , This is also Wrong as the Ryzen 5 3600 in PS5 has access to DDR6 Memory which isn't even possible on PC Right now. The PS5 CPU could be performing on part with the X3D Chips cause of the access to Much Faster Memory

7800x3d vs 5800x3d would be a more fair comparison. Are you able to do this?

@TerraWare

5 ай бұрын

Don't have a 5800X 3D unfortunately.

@B_Rye402

4 ай бұрын

The 5800x3d is providing me a great experience in this game. Would recommend if you are on AM4

Knowing im a 1080p gamer for high fps and 1080p is still great quality the 7800x3d would suit me when i can get it

@TerraWare

4 ай бұрын

Oh yeah. It'll pack a ton of frames. Even getting the much cheaper Ryzen 7600 will give you around a 5800X 3D level of FPS while being on a future proof platform. What do you have now?

@BMGGHOST

4 ай бұрын

@@TerraWare currently the 5900x 😅😂. Powerful yes but I'm realizing it bottlenecks in a bit of games including Helldivers 2 at 1080p and its weird cuz I've got a 3060 ti and it's bottlenecked..

@TerraWare

4 ай бұрын

@@BMGGHOST Ah ok I see. Honestly a 5900X is a solid CPU for a 3060Ti but if you are a 1080P competitive gamer you would probably stand to benefit from a 7800X 3D although it'll cost you a bit. Around $500 to 600 probably.

@BMGGHOST

4 ай бұрын

@@TerraWare oh yea it's a solid cpu for sure. Sometime hopefully soon future I hope I can do a full system upgrade and have the 7800x3d as a cpu. From what I'm told and videos I've seen They seem to be worth it for 1080p

@TerraWare

4 ай бұрын

@@BMGGHOST Oh yeah, it is the best and very power efficient. Ryzen 7000 is a nice jump in gaming performance in general. I did a more in-depth video testing Ryzens in this game. 2600/3700X/5900X/7700X and 7800X 3D.

seems like more of an engine problem. If thr cpu is bottlenecking thre gpu the cpu should be showimg 100% load.

my i5-7500 suffers at lot in this game, always at 100% but I think my pc's bottleneck is the gtx 1050 ti, at least supersampling the game makes the cpu less fucked up and with more stable fps lol

@TerraWare

3 ай бұрын

Oh yeah I can see that CPU struggling but the GPU is a bit underpowered for this game. One thing you can do is make sure Async Compute is OFF if it's ON

I would be interested to know how things are going now, since you now have the option of deactivating async compute and it has been running much better for me since the last patch and with async compute deactivated there was even more performance.

@TerraWare

4 ай бұрын

Hmm OK interesting. I actually havent played much Helldivers 2 because have been busy with testing some of the new games like HFW and Dragons Dogma 2 which I have been playing quite a lot lol. Could be worth taking a look though.

Hey.. Running with his same setup.. 4090 and 7800x3D.. If I switch my settings to native my cpu jumps from 60 to 70.. However if I turn supersampling on it runs just fine.. All other games run fine on ultra settings? Thoughts?

@TerraWare

4 ай бұрын

That's because supersampling increases the render resolution beyond your targeted resolution and downsamples it for better anti aliasing, making the game more graphically demanding you are becoming GPU bound, meaning the FPS is limited by your GPU's performance. At native resolution (you should be getting more FPS) you are probably being CPU limited and CPU is running flat out thus a bit hotter. Higher the FPS the harder CPU works = more heat. 70C is perfectly fine for a Ryzen 7800X 3D though, all the way up to 80C. They are designed to run at peak 95C all day long according to AMD

So if im not missleaded, the 7800X 3D is by far better for this Game in 1440p paired with an 3080

Do you think the 5800X3D would see similar gains over the other non-X3D Zen 3 chips? What settings would you recommend for a 10gb 3080 + a 5800X3D? Also one last question, if you don't mind - are you playing on controller or mouse and keeb, and at what fps do you think it stops mattering for controller play? Thanks!

@TerraWare

5 ай бұрын

The 5800X 3D would probably be between the 5900x and 7800X3D I'm assuming. I've made a 3080Ti specific video which should be close to the performance of a 3080 10GB, maybe 10% faster on the Ti. Here's link if interested kzread.info/dash/bejne/aqlpuqdtlq63XcY.htmlsi=wAokpSQLLpJhtQmF I would try to aim for 90 fps in this game which you should be able to do at 1440P with Ultra Quality Render Scale, maybe even native, or 4K Quality Render Scale, maxed out settings.

@CargoShorts7

5 ай бұрын

@@TerraWare sweet, thanks for this man!

@MrCougar1825

5 ай бұрын

the 5800x3d runs it pretty good but my 13900hx laptop gets better fps then my desktop with a 5800x3d this is cpu heaven the higher core clock cpu the better its going to run and ipc does play a factor

this is the first game that i seen cpu usage at 80s and going past 80c degrees in a long time, also the first game that made my 4070 past 70c degress and actually go full fan speed

@TerraWare

4 ай бұрын

Yeah its a demanding game, especially on the CPU but those temps are fine.

i like the vid because you shown me how well helldivers can utilize newer CPU, but somehow the newer gen are x3d which is use larger cache size, and mostly games utilize cache for performance boost

For those with a 4090 and a 7800x3d use dldsr to render at a higher quality

on my 5800x3d i have found the game mostly ram heavy. Having samsung b-die ddr4 i gained a lot of fps when overclocking ram. On ship from 120 to 144 fps going from 3200 cl14 to 3733 cl14.

I have a ryzen 5600x and a 3080. Thinking of upgrading to the 7800x3d. Think its worth it? Im definitely cpu bound in helldivers

@TerraWare

5 ай бұрын

Um. I guess. You would ge seeing similat gains as in this video as long as you have the gpu headroom.

CPU Benchmark-Test for new CPU : Cinebench 23 : "Iam a Stress Test !" AIDA64 : "Iam a Stress Test !" Prime95 : "Iam a Stress Test !" HeavyLoad: "Iam a Stress Test !" Helldivers 2 : "Hold my Beer!!!"

@TerraWare

2 ай бұрын

Lol you should take a look at my recent Test Drive Unlimited Solar Crown video I did 2 days ago. Crazy CPU usage

I have a Ryzen 5600g and a 1080ti but the game is bad and when I check the metrics the processor is almost at 80% of use and the graphics card is only 70 or 60%

I'll take more cores over more V-cache even if the performance is lower.

hmm i figured this game would eat up the 3d cache. Also yeah i think the engine has some weird thing because i never get 99% util either hovers 95

@TerraWare

6 ай бұрын

Max utilization I have seen is 95%

@h1tzzYT

6 ай бұрын

@@TerraWare its most likely game engine specific, for example i recently played quake 2021 remastered which uses new kex engine and in that game 95% is also the max gpu utilization, even in fully gpu bound scenario. Another example is rainbow six siege where it mostly will sit in ~85% of gpu utilization for some weird reason

I’ve got 120 fps avg with 5800x3d and rtx 3080 recommended settings 1080p

A good test would be to get all your teammates and you to use both orbital barrages toss them into a nest and watch your GPU melt as your frame rate get cut in half

so your cpu running at 70c is fine ? i get worried its getting to hot, my i5 10400 hits 80c on low settings. GPU RX7600 only runs at 50c

@TerraWare

4 ай бұрын

There's nothing to worry about. If it was 90C+ sure I guess. It depends on the CPU, architecture, manufacturing and specs. The X3D chips run a bit hotter regardless because its denser silicon, the cache is on top of the CPU. I have a pretty good cooler on it too a 360 aio corsair elite capellix. The 5900x has 240 corsair elite capellix.

@doctoronishispsychosislab1474

4 ай бұрын

@@TerraWare Thank you

Even 7800X3D does not fully utilise the 4090 - it's at around 90-92% at 1440p. Sucks when games are not optimized well for CPUs and can't fully use it but are CPU bound, so they cripple the performance of the GPU. And you can't buy a more powerful CPU because the 7800X3D is the fastest out there in terms of gaming. That being said it doesn't really matter in this game because you are already pushing around 150 fps. Jedi Survivor on the other hand was an atrocity when it came out.

@TerraWare

6 ай бұрын

Definitely hitting some CPU bottlenecks at 1440. GPU utilization never goes beyond 95% in this game though. It was the same thing on the 6800XT and everything else.

@deyandimitrov7287

6 ай бұрын

@@TerraWare Yeah, but I believe you did the 6800XT video with the 5900X. Maybe the 7800X3D can fully utilize that card.

@TerraWare

6 ай бұрын

@@deyandimitrov7287 The 5900X is more than capable of keeping the 6800XT and 3080Ti for the most part GPU bound in this game. If you check out my 3080Ti video at 2 minutes I show a quick side by side comparison and both 3080Ti and 6800XT are at 95%. The 3080Ti is doing around 90 fps and 6800xt around 60. I think its just the engine.

@imkvn4681

5 ай бұрын

@@TerraWare The engine is a modified Autodesk Stingray game engine which was discontinued 4 yrs ago. I think 1% lows are more important than high frames. You can be in a battle and slug all the way down to 30fps get ghost struck by an attack. The devs made avg frames on console 30fps for this reason. Each system is different on PC so you would have to test your 1% lows or your lowest frames during battle. Hit F5 and F2 and will display your frames.

@TerraWare

5 ай бұрын

@@imkvn4681 1% lows are very important I agree. This was a video I did when the game first came out and it kind of blew up but I did another CPU focused video where I take a look at 5 Ryzen CPU's testing them in intense scenarios. It does hammer the CPU for sure.

Devs have said as much, they do a ton of simulation on the cpu side.

Still on R9 5950X and generally never have any problems with frames with my 7900 XTX. Ill wait for Ryzen 9000 before i upgrade again, maybe 😂

My 7900 XT was at 61% usage. I use a 5800x, 1440p, and stream at the same time. I can tell the game is CPU heavy. But why doesn't the CPU go up into 90%+? My 5800x gets around 75%. I wonder what it's like with Intel. Or is this a game optimization thing.

@TerraWare

4 ай бұрын

Not sure but games dont utilize the CPU fully like rendering software may for example. Theres a lot of things that play a role from optimization to core count, IPC clock speeds etc. Generally if your GPU use is that low your system/CPU is holding it back due to many factors.

Really appreciate you doing these comparison, I play at 4k (RTX3080 and AMD 3700x). I'm getting to the point where I need to decide on the next gen GPU and upgrade to a 5900x or a complete platform upgrade for 4k gaming. This and maybe other UE5 games to come are starting to make the decision harder to make.

@TerraWare

6 ай бұрын

I have a 3700X too. With a 3080 at 4K you're probably alright. You could just go 5800X 3D and it would be fine even for a 4090 for the most part.

@Xeonzs

5 ай бұрын

I agree with Terra, just get a 5800X3D, it's still one of the best performing CPUs for gaming, usually in the 5 if not top 3, the only downside is that it's a dead-end platform, so if you feel like you're going to upgrade things again in 2 years or so instead of 4 years, you might be better off getting an AM5 board. For GPU you could go with something like a 4070 ti super so you can stay under a grand, but still get 16GB vram, but I'd probably wait for the 5000 series so the remaining 4000 series will lower in price even further. I personally went AM5 for the 7800X3D, but in hindsight sidegrading from intel 11700k to AM4 with 5800X3D would've been the more economical choice, also since DDR5 was expensive when I built it, it's more affordable now, but still double that of DDR4, and honestly I didn't see that much improvement from upgrading the RAM, most came from the CPU and GPU. In your case though, all you need to do for now is just upgrade to the 5800X3D and you're set for another 2 years, 4 years if you whana stretch it, the 3080 is a good card, it's a shame you don't have the ti though, being limited to 10gb vram can hurt if you want a high resolution with high texture quality, if you don't midn dropping down to high instead of ultra the 3080 will also be fine still at 1440p.

@jakemarshall7686

5 ай бұрын

I also recommend the 5800x3D. I owned a 3700x, between the two its a night and day difference. At 4k the 5800x3d vs the 7800x3d is almost no difference.

New product better than old product.

I was surprised by the CPU bottleneck on this game after upgrading to a 4090. The 7700x performs practically identical to the 5900x in this game.

@TerraWare

4 ай бұрын

The 7700X should be quite a bit faster than the 5900X. I did another CPU focused comparison with multiple Ryzens. The 7700X was quite a bit faster than the 5900X. Here's the video if curious. Chapters are labeled. kzread.info/dash/bejne/gmZmuZWjd5rJeKQ.htmlsi=3-86-ccsDzQilDqS

Yeah crazy, at 1440 i get very similar results using a 4070/7800x3d compared to your 5900x setup.

If i was rich enough for a 4090, why would i even bother with a budget CPU?

I'm getting around 95 fps at 3440x1440 native, maxed out on a 4080, which is plenty to enjoy the game. Definitely a little on the low side given the graphics, but nothing dealbreaking.

@TerraWare

6 ай бұрын

That's really good. I play mainly at that same resolution. I think the game looks great.

@Skeames1214

6 ай бұрын

@@TerraWare Looks great for what it is and more importantly it's fun as fuck lol

@kdudcringe

5 ай бұрын

Running the same resolution, but with rtx 3070ti XD Getting around 70-85fps on medium settings with maxed textures

@Skeames1214

5 ай бұрын

@@kdudcringe pretty damn good! the highest graphics settings don’t… do that much, as far as I can tell lol.

@kdudcringe

5 ай бұрын

@@Skeames1214 Yeah, I do need to upgrade my gpu at some point - rest of my rig is really good, but my gpu is lacking especially at 3440x1440. Surprisingly it still runs every game I need it to fine and I have had no issues with the 8gb vram yet as I only recently just upgraded to 3440x1440 about 2 months ago so not sure if I will run into issues at some point. To be honest the main games I play are very cpu demanding such as Escape from Tarkov and Rust so luckily I think the gpu will be fine for now.

Unless your running the 7800x 3D with the identical DDR4 RAM across both platforms your not really comparing cpus properly. If HD2 is in question as CPU heavy than why the comparison? Perhaps it is in fact very cpu heavy and I believe it is, as well as not well optimized. Using HW info you'll find very heavy usage across 6 cores maybe 8 at times which is why your seeing 50-60% on the cpu usage because your using only about half the cores. 3D vcash along with DDR5 ram will always give you the difference in fps seen because data moves far more efficiently to the GPU but GPU usage remains close to the same because still your only using half or less of the cpu's production. All in all it's the game not your rig, per se.

this would be much the same in any 7xxx3d its the cache and faster ddr5 more than anything else

The game feels super responsive using my 7800X3D/4090. It’s almost shockingly responsive compared to some games.

@robdog979

5 ай бұрын

What FPS are you getting at 4k or 1440p? trying to diagnose my 7800X3D/4090, I seem to get lower FPS than what is shown in this video.

i legit have ryzen 5 5600x and i have 90-100% cpu usage more than the gpu usage actually

We need full spec. RAM speed, timings and so on.

@TerraWare

3 ай бұрын

The 5900X is on a Strix B550-F with 32GB 3600mhz C16 The 7800X 3D is on a Strix X670E-A with 32GB 6000mhz C30 Both on a gen 4 nvme

Fir me is bad optimisation,no problem with other game...i have 4090 and 5800x,i play 3440x1440 and all my game run realy good ! This one run 60 fps when ennemy arrive...not normal

Ive been crashing 8 out of 10 games could my old titan x gpu from 2013 be causing this?

@TerraWare

4 ай бұрын

Not if it works fine in every other game.

@mitchcolangelo550

4 ай бұрын

@@TerraWare ok i havent had a single crash in another game. Just played a trivial mission and made it to extraction the crashed during loading screen

Zen 3 5000 series are still very respectable chips.

@TerraWare

5 ай бұрын

Indeed. I'll be working on a Zen+, Zen 2, 3 and 4 video for Helldivers 2 because I am curious. I dont have a bunch of CPU's but got a 2600/3700x/5900x and 7700X

@Zygmunator

5 ай бұрын

That is exactly what a bunch is lol@@TerraWare

Is this with PBO? My 5900X doesnt suck that much juice.

@TerraWare

5 ай бұрын

Yes PBO is enabled.

at medium graphics 1080p my cpu usage goes up to 90-100% what am I doing wrong? I have an Ryzen 7700 btw

@TerraWare

5 ай бұрын

I dont think you're doing anything wrong. CPU running at a 100% it is designed to do that on a consistent basis. Are you maybe running background tasks too? As long as your framerate is good and consistent its fine.

@dustinwade8601

5 ай бұрын

I have the 7700 as well and Was getting 100% cpu usage. I turned graphics up to high/ultra and my cpu usage dropped down to the 60s. Still getting around 80-90 fps with highest settings

thinking if I should upgrade from 3900X to 5800X3D with my 4090 playing at 4k. any help would be appreciated. thanks.

@TerraWare

4 ай бұрын

I think that would be a pretty good upgrade, also the cheapest way for you to gain some more gaming CPU horsepower.

@Will-SSDD

4 ай бұрын

Running a 7900xtx with a 3900x and gpu usage drops to 70% sometimes around 40fps I'm guessing it a cpu bottle next u running into the same issue? My rez it 3440/1440p

@TerraWare

4 ай бұрын

@@Will-SSDD Yeah cpu bound. I play at same 3440 x 1440 with 4090/7800X 3D and become CPU bound in this game. As long as you getting good fps it's fine. This game remains pretty consistent frametime wise when CPU bound unlike some games like DD2

@Maddsyz27

4 ай бұрын

Save a few bucks and get the 5700x3d for the same performance

@Will-SSDD

4 ай бұрын

Update extra 40fps using 5800x3d

i get around 72c in HD2 with 30% cpu usage, with a arctic liquid freezer iii 360, i run cinebench with 100% usage and my cpu doesnt go above 65c, i dunno why this game is cooking CPUs but they really need to fix it.

@TerraWare

5 ай бұрын

If you have your aio radiator mounted on top exhausting air out like mine, the hot 99% GPU air being exhausted would result in higher CPU temps. Whereas Cinebench is a cpu only benchmark that runs for a shorter amount of time. Thats what I think's happening.

I use the minimum required cpu, perfectly playable but yeah. Not great:-) i7-4790k , i will probably play around with overclocking a bit

My frame time is horrible on my 5900x with a 4080 super. Any ideas? I did ddu, pcie4 is enabled same with rebar. Did the Nvidia high power. 3600mhz mem. I dunno what else it could be. I had a 7900xt and the same thing was happening. I think by now the only thing I haven't changed is the memory and I might just get some new sticks to see if that's a problem.

@TerraWare

4 ай бұрын

Hmm, interesting. Frametimes are usually pretty good in this game. I've done another mor thorough CPU videos testing multiple Ryzens. The cpu does get hammered hard in higher difficulties intense situations. I would make sure to update your chipset drivers, maybe even motherboard bios but monitor your CPU spasticity. It should clock similar to mine. Also Ryzen Master software is pretty good for stress testing, overclocking.

@ripvanwinkle3432

4 ай бұрын

​@@TerraWareyea I'm banging my head against the wall. My 2070 super didn't have frame time issues. And I thought the 7900xt frame time issue was amd being amd. But I'm getting it on the 4080 as well. So something else is going on. And it's in every game not just helldivers. Every 10-15 secs I get a FT spike. I haven't updated those since I tried out the 7900xt last year.

@TerraWare

4 ай бұрын

@@ripvanwinkle3432 Yeah something isn't right. Sounds like a system thing. It could be numerous things. I have a 7900XTX /6800XT and 3080Ti btw and swap between them a ton. As long as you use DDU it shouldnt be a driver conflict. Could even be something that may get resolved with a Windows reinstall but I would make sure your CPU is at least running right as far as temps and boost behaviors. Have you tried resetting cmos?

@ripvanwinkle3432

4 ай бұрын

a4027 it turned out to be a few to be ram was causing an issue. Went down to 2 sticks only. Which cleared up a lot of the frame time. Then I updated chipset, bios and cleared cmos and smoothed it out to normal. Thanks for the suggestions.

@TerraWare

4 ай бұрын

@@ripvanwinkle3432 Awesome. Happy to hear.

I dont get it, how can the game be sub 99% on GPU and CPU utilization and then have low fps O.o its so weird. The cpus are like running at 50% capacity

@TerraWare

5 ай бұрын

CPU's are never fully utilized in gaming because of the type of workload. There's a lot of factors, IPC, clock speeds, cache, frequency that determine max fps you can get in a game.

I'm really thinking baout getting a 5800x3d and skipping the R7 series. I currently have a 5600x, but I'm not sue the 5800x3d is worth it.

@TerraWare

4 ай бұрын

Well I don't have one to test but did make a video testing multiple Ryzen processors including a 7700X and 7800X 3D and there wasn't a big difference between the regular and X3D variant in this game. Here's the link if curios. Its towards the end of the video, chapters labeled. kzread.info/dash/bejne/gmZmuZWjd5rJeKQ.htmlsi=gmIqq-vjJv-3yjmd

@B_Rye402

4 ай бұрын

It is a great CPU if you can find a good deal on it.

@APX1138

4 ай бұрын

@@B_Rye402I ordered a 7800x3d, taichi lite, and 64gb ddr5 6000hz yesterday.

Can confirm the 7800x3d 4090 combo is amazing for Helldivers 2. I'm playing on a single 32" QHD - have 3 of those, triples used for DCS, iRacing and work. It's an amazing experience!

@ethanzeng2916

5 ай бұрын

I would hope so, that's top of the line hardware...

@pavelrf1175

5 ай бұрын

U can achieve 200fps wo cpu bound?

@gambaownsus

5 ай бұрын

obvious flex

@robdog979

5 ай бұрын

What FPS are you getting at 4k or 1440p? trying to diagnose my 7800X3D/4090, I seem to get lower FPS than what is shown in this video.

playing the lower difficulties doesnt give you a good idea of how had diff 9 is on your CPU

Weird, I've got a R7 5800x with a 6950xt and I never get more than 5-8% utilization on the CPU... but I'm at 90% on the GPU

@TerraWare

5 ай бұрын

5 to 8% doesnt sound right at all. You could be looking at a different metric possibly. 50 to 80% would be more realistic but you seem to be CPU bound with GPU at 90%. As long as you get good FPS its what matters. I was getting pretty good performance on my 6800XT with a 5900X Ryzen.

@zoopa9988

5 ай бұрын

I get around 70% CPU usage with my Ryzen 5 7600 with fps limited to 120.

no difference? 200% more watt????

@GeneralLee131

5 ай бұрын

Nobody cares about watts with desktop computers, you have unlimited power and cooling. Would be huge if these were laptop CPUs where power and cooling are a huge problem.

are we testing cpu or are we actually testing cache?

@TerraWare

4 ай бұрын

It's a CPU focused test not cache. I did do another more indepth video though comparing the 7700X and 7800X 3D in this game among the 5900X/3700X and 2600.

Can anyone explain why with the 5900x wont reach 100% usage?

@Will-SSDD

4 ай бұрын

Probably not using all cores just maxing out some of them

A 5900x really depends on fast RAM and tight timings. So you can only compare if you use the correct RAM.

People can play like they feel like anyone stating you are not allowed to that is silly.

@TerraWare

5 ай бұрын

Agreed. I often benchmark my 4090 at 3440 x 1440p so 1440p ultrawide and I get comments everynow and then saying its pointless to own a 4090 unless you game at 4K. Apparently someone has set this rules we must follow lol. I can't stand it sometimes.