So if Jordan Peterson was a true Christian he wouldn't call out the hypocrisy of the left? Her shallow reasoning is bizarre.

She's all over the place.

@MikeFuller-ok6ok

4 ай бұрын

I like what she has done with her hair.

@MikeFuller-ok6ok

4 ай бұрын

I really like her shirt too.

@MrMurph73

Ай бұрын

What does she say thats all over the place?

@akkarin1225

7 күн бұрын

No

Jp exposed her. Now she’s talking about Spotify playlist

@CursedWheelieBin

3 ай бұрын

Hell hath no fury, though I don’t think he necessarily scorned her. He just criticised her borrowed ideas. Not her personally. She’s not doing a very good job concealing her bitter hatred for him 😂

Funny how she think JP wasn't into Christian thinking. JP literally has a catalogue on the Bible in KZread pre-2015. Also, someone should ask her about her marriage. LOL

Let her try her hand again in debate with Jordan Peterson again, then we will again see the wheat separated from the chaff.

JBP tore her a new one

@BoffinGrusky

3 ай бұрын

I'm quite sure that even a glimpse of the old one would be traumatizing. 🤣

@christopher_ecclestone

2 ай бұрын

He turned her into what the kids call A Meme Cow!

@akkarin1225

7 күн бұрын

What a mature and differentiated statement

Nope, nope, and nope. Within 30seconds she's already rambling on about the ''right wing nationalism' buggyman and trying to associate Peterson with it.We don't want this dishonest, ideological nonsense.

@CursedWheelieBin

3 ай бұрын

It’s her only dance move🤷🏻‍♂️

It’s so facile to rope Jesus into your cause, as her mother did at 22:16 saying Jesus was a communist. Jesus never addresses political structures. He talks about people’s motivations. Jesus is not a humanist. His solution to humanity’s problems come from aligning the heart with God.

As much as I disagree with much of what she has to say, her point about atheists being offended by the idea of seeing themselves as treating their politics like a religion because they consider themselves rational is a very important one. It highlights the arrogance that rationalism brings with it, resulting in people seeing themselves as above natural human impulses, such as the impulse for spirituality. This arrogance is a key driver behind many of the political divisions in modern society IMO

@henrybelts3414

3 ай бұрын

hell yeah brother, that's true.

@dhadad9885

2 ай бұрын

There’s no natural impulse for spirituality. We are pattern seeking mammals and we try to make sense of things, often when there’s no logical or rational explanation can be found. We often would settle for a poor and lousy explanation than none at all. That’s what people like Jordan Peterson do. There ARE NO BOOKS that gets offered the kind of charitable reading that the holy books get. And we can simply stop this practice and read them as they are not as what we wish they were or what they intend to mean.

@DutchMadness77

2 ай бұрын

That's just people being generally too stupid to make rational arguments than atheism being inherently arrogant. It's a non-sequitur to say that atheists HAVE TO find a new religion in the political framework to fill in the gap. Not all atheists are rational, but religion is absolutely not rational.

@dracolusus

2 ай бұрын

@@henrybelts3414 What is true about it?

@justaguy328

25 күн бұрын

Worship of the intellect. They have a full on meltdown if you even suggest that they have faith. Faith is for those made of lesser clay.

Her career is still stuck on her bad-faith interview with Jordan Peterson from 2018? Sad.

19:47 Reason you came

Jordan Peterson made Helen Lewis's Oxford degree look like it fell out a packet of cornflakes. She got schooled. Hard.

She has no understanding of the bible...so much straw manning going on....and what can one say about Brierley?..."errr"...."sort of"..."kind of".....i expect a seasoned host to be more articulate than that....what a vapid dialogue

Very bright woman in search of truth, with her heart in the right place

@flvflv4712

3 күн бұрын

😂😂😂😂

There's a certain arrogance to this lady unfortunately. And she doesn't seem to have a great understanding of any particular thing she talks about. It feels like I'm listening to someone who has a 30% understanding of each topic and who is more concerned with making silly comments like Jesus was a communist. She can only say that confidently because she has a 30% understanding of Jesus and communism. A good interview nonetheless. Thank you.

@manlikeJoe1010

3 ай бұрын

Amazing to observe, isn't it. Constantly wading in on topics she doesn't understand and ends up making a fool of herself repeatedly. And yet she seems to be under the impression that what she's saying is profound and worth listening to. She's like a walking, talking example of the Duning-Kruger effect😂🤦‍♂🤦‍♂

@CursedWheelieBin

3 ай бұрын

Dunning-Krueger effect in action. Sad to see but there it is

@BoffinGrusky

3 ай бұрын

It might be arrogance, but it might also be overcompensation. She clearly possesses a degree of native intelligence, and paradoxically, it probably serves to heighten her awareness of her own damaged psyche.

@akkarin1225

7 күн бұрын

I thought you were talking about JP for a second there

Can’t listen to all of this, I do not think she is coming from a point of nuance or honesty

@christopher_ecclestone

2 ай бұрын

She's never honest. But these people can't be because their entire world view/ideology is built on untruths, so everything that follows from it is untruthful.

@akkarin1225

7 күн бұрын

I do. But to each their own

Never has someone so intelligently vacant been so confident. What an insufferable human.

You'd have thought after Jordan Peterson took Helen to the sword and meticulously and systematically broke apart her ideologically possessed worldview, she would come back after a few months, with a sense of humility, with an infusion of new perspectives that she's garnered from, questioning her old tired feminist dogma, and lefty guardian newspaper talking points, realising the error of her ways, and showing more independent thinking, yet here she is years later, doubling down and showing the exact same Helen we saw pre-JBP interview. Disappointing but I can't say I'm surprised.

A term for a lunatic is when he is repeating the same mistakes again and again. And then there is false pride too..

Genuinely looks like she had a breakdown after that JP interview. She's a mess and not a hot one.

@StanWeiner

28 күн бұрын

😂

@akkarin1225

7 күн бұрын

How is her appearance of any substance here. Shallow and mysogynstic take

34:01 Unfortunately I've seen this line of argument involving "evolving gender norms" utilized to gaslight women, including gender critical feminists. The idea goes that if you're uncomfortable being around a male person in a dress, you must believe in traditional roles and need to unlearn your conservative bigotry. This overlooks the reality that men and women sometimes engage the same behavior (ie:cross dressing) for different reasons and that some male people specifically crossdress for fetishistic purposes (ie: Autogynephillia, Sissification/humiliation fetishes). I would never condemn a woman for following her instincts and removing herself from a situation in which she believes herself to be a non-consensual participant in a man's sexual expression. But I fear too many would be ready to shame her in the name of "evolving norms".

@CursedWheelieBin

3 ай бұрын

Her right to feel safe is more important than tiptoeing around some pervert’s feelings 👍

@hinahinananoha7783

3 ай бұрын

I think the history of dress is missing from this argument. Men have worn all sorts of things even in the last 2000y including but not only roman clothes, little tunics, colorful jackets in 1700s etc. not to mention the robes of middle ages times. There is nothing inherently womanly about dresses that were worn between 1920s and 1950s, you know, the classic reasonable dress.

@christopher_ecclestone

2 ай бұрын

​@@hinahinananoha7783It isn't the item of clothing that people have a problem with. It's the pretending to be something they're not, and trying to force others to go along with it that's the issue. And also the twisted ideology that's behind it all.

I really don't think her interview with JP went at all well. Despite her "toxic masculinity, patriarchy" mantra, ironically it was Helen who was condescending, aggressive and unnecessarily rude. Nothing has stood in her way but like so many prominent feminists, she is a living, breathing contradiction to her own sanctimonious and ultimately academic beliefs. BBC Radio 4 beckons.

Baffling to me how people can view her as dumb or dishonest, she might be one of the most differentiated, humble and considerate journalists I have seen. In the same way, and I know Im going against the crowd here, I found her arguments to be very constructive and informed in her interview with JP; he on the other hand was talking over her constantly, using strawmans and mostly following his own thoughts, without being able to even consider her perspective genuinly for a moment.

Jordan Peterson did her a favor by granting an interview in the first place. What a shallow lightweight she is.

@hinahinananoha7783

3 ай бұрын

Surprising how many of his fans are trying to insult her, without actually presenting arguments. Hardly giving him much credit😮

@jmprov356

3 ай бұрын

@@hinahinananoha7783 Not "insulting" her....evaluating her performance. Lightweight. You're free to hold a different opinion.

@motisvaritia6045

Ай бұрын

thats quite unfair, she pushed back enough to give JP one of the strongest interviews, if it was just a yes sayer it would have not been interesting at all

I like what Helen as done with her hair. I really like her shirt too.

@user-qm8sc1jr9u

Ай бұрын

she is disgusting

Interestingly, Helen mentioned the word "soul". Indeed, a human is more than matter. From there, it's only a small step to believe in God who is a soul, too, only mightier, holier, perfect and more loving than us. We are persons, have a self, bc God is personal.

She hit the nail on the head several times there

Is she best the left has?

I don't agree with anything Helen says, but let's not pretend she's a monster. She's still a human being.

This was a really interesting discussion, taking in a range of topics fairly quickfire, and she gives a lot of respect to people with various perspectives and shows that she knows her way around where they're coming from. All the Peterson fans who are just barking in the comments saying, "Oh no it's that woman who challenged him 6 years ago, bleurgh," are doing themselves a disservice by feeling so high and mighty.

the tree of the knowledge of good and evil…

Great talk. So excited to listen to her more❤

@evanscholnick4871

3 ай бұрын

😂😂😂

@user-qm8sc1jr9u

Ай бұрын

she is a joke

Helen: About the Internet feeling shame...think Moral Man, Immoral Society. But the Internet is amoral.

First?

@thibauteast1620

4 ай бұрын

Interesting, although not surprising, seeing you here sir! My KZread channel subscriptions probably overlap a lot with yours, I’m a big admirer of your work

@PaulVanderKlay

4 ай бұрын

@@thibauteast1620Thank you!

she is so out of touch

Helen Lewis is one of the most intelligent and honest journalists out there. She's willing to engage with ideas that she doesn't fully agree with, find points of commonality, as well as tease out the nuance. I appreciate how she, as an agnostic/atheist, is still able to clearly see the need for community and something deeper than the default materialism of the world. This is something I can relate with, as a person who was deep into Christianity well into adulthood and lost my faith 15 years ago, and had to rebuild a more rational framework to govern my life---one that is still heavily influenced by the values of the faith I had left.

@tren380

4 ай бұрын

She feigns intelligence. When pressed, she falls apart.

@manlikeJoe1010

3 ай бұрын

Intelligent and honest? That is just utter nonsense.

@justchillin5200

3 ай бұрын

She cheated on her husband, go search about it

She’s incredibly homely.

Certain parts of the bible and followers of Jesus may seem like communism in isolation. Coincidently I was reading acts 2:42 yesterday at chruch group, where the disciples explicitly talk about a commune of peoppe selling their belongigns, sharing the peoceeds and feeding and helping people as they needed it. That very clearly sounds like certain parts of comunism, but there was a lot more to christ and his teachings than this. Of course, a huge disagreement with communism is thay Jesus encouraged the idea of the chruch and religious leaders holding wealth, which communism would have quite a lot to say against.

So woke

Shrew …

Her lack of faith has made her tired looking

When did this stick insect limb flailing start?

Helen Lewis is disgraceful.

Very inconsistent. She is literally unable to tale herself away from the easy narratives

The exact same ideologically possessed Helen we saw in the Jordan Peterson interview.

Why in the world she's being interviewed, considering how dishonest she is, is beyond me.

Justin, I love your work and appreciate it very much but this woman has nothin enchanting or interesting to say. She has very run of the mill opinions.

Sorry. She’s a snob. Not sorry.

Misogynists apparently follow Lewis around on the internet. How small their lives must be. And other things.

@manlikeJoe1010

3 ай бұрын

Thanks for your useless input, Karen...

@CursedWheelieBin

3 ай бұрын

Oh here we go. Any man who disagrees with her must be a misogynist, right? 🙄 You’re a victim when it suits you. You’re empowered when it suits you. Nobody’s buying it 😂

Helens teeth are so yellow

She needs to stop using drugs. 😂

bro what's wrong with her teeth?

Jordan peterson destroyed you

Jesus was basically a communist lol. Thats a kind of enchantment I suppose . . .

@PaulVanderKlay

4 ай бұрын

You heard that a lot in the 1970s.

@williamoarlock8634

3 ай бұрын

@@PaulVanderKlay Christians clearly prove Jesus was no 'saviour' either.

@thomasarnoldcoe6527

5 күн бұрын

Communism is a satanic counterfeit to the Kingdom of God. In communism, the government takes everything away and never gives it back. God gives the most precious thing He can give, and gives and gives again.