Modern day Elmer Keith

@davefellhoelter1343

Жыл бұрын

or "Elmer Fudd?" has the Suspenders! and the hats. Looking for my Suspensers Now!

This is by far one of my favorite channels, if not the top

For the love of experimental thought! Great stuff!

I was actually kinda surprised at how much velocity it gained out of the longer barrel really neat

@merpius

Жыл бұрын

Not just a longer barrel; also more sealed breech (ie no cylinder gap)

@0neDoomedSpaceMarine

Жыл бұрын

Blackpowder benefits greatly from barrel length. Compare to smokeless .45 Auto, which gains progressively less after about 8" of barrel or so, most common 230gr loads gaining pretty little from going up to 16"

@Darth_Boons

Жыл бұрын

I knew it was going to change more than smokeless would it was interesting seeing it just takes getting a full burn and you get that much more out of it

@mkshffr4936

9 ай бұрын

From what I have seen 357 and 44 mag smokeless gains abou 300fps.

Very nice, thank you. Velocity from the pistol was better than I expected.

@Everythingblackpowder

Жыл бұрын

Same here. I was expecting 500fps

A very neat experience. I too was surprised at the velocity Gail out of the rifle. With only 25 grains you would think it would burn up pretty fast with all the resistance pushing all that lead.

Man I'm loving this experiment

Those are huge puffs of smoke coming out of those barrels 😂 You guys always have immense fun when you're out plinking 🎯💯👌

I was going to recommend that you watch the video on the 300 grain gas checked .45 bullet, then realized it was your video. So never mind!

Try this bullet mold with hollow base, LEE Mold Single Cavity 459-405-HB 405 Grain Hollow Base Bullet w/Handles #90268. It's designed for Black powder and bigger bullet Lube grooves and the hollow base can fit couple grains more power. Maybe next time for Part - 3? Nice video thanks.

Those velocities are better than I expected (I was expecting high 500s to low 600s out of the pistol and around 800 out of the rifle). High 600s out of the pistol and almost 900 out of the rifle makes for some very respectable energy numbers.

@Everythingblackpowder

Жыл бұрын

Agreed

So unorthodox isn't the words I use. I look at it as thinking outside the box. The ability to supplement if the need presents itself is useful knowledge. Now can't and won't disagree with the caution of testing the open top conversions. However I am going affirm my point from the last video, and this is only relevant to the Walker as I haven't a dragoon for measurements. The extra length of the walker cylinder theoretically is the same as an long throat in a rifle chamber, or free bore. Free bore functions as case capacity for some oldtimer like me who have used free bore sometimes for better accuracy, and overall performance. Limited only by the length of a magazine, (not an issue with single shots, or walker in this case) The point of contact of the ojive to rifling, compensate for that( again shouldn't be an issue with the Walker with the added space of the forcing cone of the barrel). The last limitation is sufficient setting depth/contact for a stable bullet to case stability. Case in point I own a single shot 30-30 that the throat is so long tha a 150 nosler partition doesn't reach the lands with the bullet barely in the case neck. Let's just say she shoots way faster than a 30-30 should and no pressure signs. In fact I'm Ackley improving it currently. Back to the Walker, I am working with a acquaintance to convert my Walker to 45-55 walker, as well doing the same thing to a contender. Though my target bullet weights are for 260-325 grains for testing. I hope this rambling blind man is making some sense. Mountain man

That looney tunes ricochet at 3:23

Wow in the 600s

You help us learn what not to do thank you like you're show its great.thank you.

@Everythingblackpowder

10 ай бұрын

Thanks?

405gr at 900fps is pretty damn hefty, shy of twice the weight of .45 Auto at slightly higher speed. If it was smokeless (or you didn't mind the cleaning), it'd play well with a suppressor.

Hey you just got a shout out by Talfedermaus channel sort of. Have to watch it till the end

@Everythingblackpowder

Жыл бұрын

I saw that.

The quickload software suggests you could make those loads 1150fps with smokeless. Hodgon lil gun, win 296, and h110 @19 gr each 100% case fill, 457-405-f lee mold sized to 452 and 1.750" coal. Calculated at 32000 psi. (What a google search seemed to suggest is the max for the blackhawk)

@Everythingblackpowder

Жыл бұрын

That’s pretty interesting!

@nono-jj9rr

8 ай бұрын

Worthy of the title of Bubba's hot loads

@exothermal.sprocket

6 ай бұрын

Garrett Cartridges runs a 405gr load in .45 Colt+p. They rate them 1250 fps from 7.5-inch Redhawk. No idea what they have cooked up for powder type but I'm sure they aren't just crushing the snot out of primers either. So little information on KZread using Garrett's stuff. They also say 4-inch barrel is equivalent to the old Springfield Trapdoor .45-70 ballistics in this load. Wild.

I find your clips very entertaining and educational. This video was something I was thinking of doing myself. I cast for 45-70 and had the thought of resizing them and playing around in the 45 colt rifle. Keep it up, cheers from Australia.

@glenpick1

11 ай бұрын

Im in Oz also - I've resized cast 350g & 405g pills down to .452 & used both smokeless (unique & Lil Gun) & Wano 3f to excellent effect at the range out to varying distances. you'd be surprised how far those 405's will reach out hitting gongs! The 45/70 Compact is here to stay!

Flat primers, but the cases didn’t seem sticky coming out of the cylinder however.

Black powder pistol sight heights. They recoil before the bullet leaves the muzzle. That makes them hit high. If you set a pistol on sand bags and sight down the side of the bore you will see that the high front sight blade allows for recoil. It just doesn't allow for your high power loads. 45-70spl.

Can you imagine Garrett Cartridges .45 Colt+p cranking over 1200 fps from a 405gr in 7.5-inch Redhawk? Makes me wonder what kind of smokeless magic they are using for that load.

HOT DAMN!! I saw it 2 hours after upload lol. And Unorthodox is why we're here good Sir!

@Everythingblackpowder

Жыл бұрын

Glad to hear it

Willard you are the best my man!!!👊👊👊👍🔥🔥🔥

Very cool. I may have to give these a go! ;)

Some of the most fun experimenting you can have,

Great video

@Everythingblackpowder

Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

2 hrs and I am number 118!! Good Darn JOB!! I STILL must watch the Intro Twice, I gauge my DIY via Yours!! but I do "Think?" a Good Sling Shot may get you in the low 600's? faster cheaper and more quietly? David took down Goliath!! but Wow good on the Long Gun! Love the Mad Scienetreenessness, one never no's what one knows Knot without a try. Your channel NEVR has "Sucked!" so WHY would I bother to make mine? I'm Lazy! and Retired, or just "Tired?" Keep Your Smoke Poles SMOKING! and your Channel coming Please? I am looking for a 45 LC and or 45/70 Lever now.

Recently subscribed to your channel. Great content and a lot for me to learn. Thx for all the effort to put it out there. Hope to see more of it. Have a great 2023!

@Everythingblackpowder

Жыл бұрын

Thank you

I like it in the rifle. There’s enough mass and momentum to go real deep. You could almost plow with those earth movers.

I really like your channel , nice job

@Everythingblackpowder

Жыл бұрын

Thank you

I can't stop wondering what it would do to bowling pins. ;)

Very interesting!

45-70Compact, i like it... Try that with 45-70 TUMBLE-UPON-IMPACT ft scott bullets,...i like that idea 💡

The ballistics are similar to the legendary.577 Tranter (prod. 1866 to about WWI), which fired a 400 gr chunk of lead at about 650 - 700 fps.

Greetings from Apacheria in the Arizona Territories Ahe'hye'e, lotsa ricochets 😎

The .45 Colt's is a prime example of why I ask the question: "What would you rather be "stung by", a 9mm in any bullet configuration, think yellow jacket, or a .40cal+ hornet in any bullet configuration?".

Very interesting. I was surprised the didn't keyhole. I bet the 350gr ends up being the sweet spot.

45-70 gallery load data LOL

Heavy bullets impact higher from handguns. The recoil generated causes the bullet to exit when the barrel is at an angle that is more elevated than if the bullet was lighter. The recoil of a lighter bullet can be increased by pushing it faster, but then it also exists the muzzle faster, making the impact point nearly the same as the slower, same weight projectile. I think it is a function of all the movable joints of the shooter. From a rigid machine rest it wouldn't show up as it does from a hand held pistol.

Heavy than "normal" bullets tend to shoot very high from handguns. I tried some 122 grain RNFP from my Ruger SSM in .32 H&R Magnum, and while they gave the tightest group I have ever fired from any revolver; to use them effectively, I would need a taller front sight. On the order of 1/8" higher.

@jacobackley502

Жыл бұрын

I've painted the upper 1/3 of my front sight white and held that level with the bottom of rear notch. It worked for my SW M25 which shot BELLIGERENTLY high, on the order of 1ft at 15 yards.

Dam,good,shooting,dam

Prior ,I was guessing 975 on the marlin.

Very interesting! Now I'm wondering how much compression you would need to get 35 grains in there

@Everythingblackpowder

Жыл бұрын

I think it would split the case

@davefellhoelter1343

Жыл бұрын

Maybe some really fine post pucked or pucked Into a Die the size needed? and or NO don't try that? "Danger Will Rogers", danger? I don't know what I don't know? but we may get Mikie to try? Hay Mikie, try this.

@Everythingblackpowder

Жыл бұрын

Only one way to find out

@mattwagner6105

9 ай бұрын

How heavy of a black powder load&bullet weight do you think an Ubert Schofield could handle?

I will like to try it on 92 rossi, if I can get the bullets

Some recoil😮❤🔫

Little rude how he kept throwing “wannabe” at the end of his description for some reason lol

Take a 405gr soft lead hollow base bullet (gas check) with 25 grains of FFF instead of FF for the "revolver" and jump to over 700 FPS. Maybe??????????? Maybe even a jump in FPS for the lever gun also????? I've been buying a lot of different factory 45/70 GOV loads to find one that my breech loader shoots the best. I have a feeling that I should get back into reloading and make my own ammo again.

Fantastic. I have an idea for you to try. Everyone says you have to shoot pure lead balls from a patch and ball rifle. Makes no sense since the patch is the only thing touching the rifles. Wheel weights are harder lead but make great lead balls. Try pouring and shooting some of these and see the difference.

@Everythingblackpowder

Жыл бұрын

I can tell you right now, there’s no difference with a patched round ball. I’ve been shooting wheel weight lead for 20 years and they work great.

@sandroventania782

Жыл бұрын

E a questão de deformação e perda de massa?

Do you think these would be safe in a Rossi R92? Or something like the Henry big boys?

@Everythingblackpowder

Жыл бұрын

Yes

I have a Uberti 1885 in 45Colt with a 32'" barrel - I've tried every configuration for 250gr pills but couldn't get a group out of it worth a damn - your experiment here was a light switch moment - next day I've sized down some cast 350gr 458 pills to 452 - loaded 10 rounds with 9g Unique & not much expectation - well hell - those pills piled on top of each other hole in hole at 50 yards. Didn't get the chance to Chronograph but I'm thinking around 1100 f/s. Going to load some more for some longer distance shooting but what an improvement - thanks for the great clips & inspiration.

@Everythingblackpowder

Жыл бұрын

Glad to hear it

On the chart of smokeless powder burn rates I wonder where black powder fits in. Probably really slow. Explains why longer barrels increase fps. As for the flat primers they at least didn't seem to flow in the primer pockets. In the Marlin locked breech did the primers show the same flatish effect? Edit: on second thought I reckon its hard to equate BP to smokeless because of all the variables. Plus BP is an explosive, and smokeless is a propellant. .

Novice chiming in. In terms of application, am I correct in assume these would do well as a bedside self defense gun. Across a bedroom kind of distance and hitting like a freight train with very little worry of over penetration? The speeds are in the neighborhood of a cheap to decent air gun, but tossing a lot more weight. High and low wouldn't matter much at the expected distance. Top, bottom or center lung should leave them gasping any way you slice it.

@mkshffr4936

9 ай бұрын

Might penetrate several houses. I am not one to get squeamish about over penetration but I think this one might be a bit much on anything but a Griz.

I would have bet good money on the bullets being too heavy (long) and too slow to be stabilized out of any standard 45 colt barrel. Weird. But very cool load! 405 grains at 900 fp/s is a respectable amount of power. Maybe you could even do 450 grainers at 800fp/s out of the rifle.

Dang Jake, now you have me deciding to load my 444 Marlin with black powder!🤣👍 Would that be a 44 70?

Greetings, Man! Happy New Year! Was wondering if you could answer a question for me, according to what you know ? I'm looking at building a Remington Rolling Block for 405 Winchester. single shot rifle. Question: Can I use a 40-caliber muzzleloader barrel for the build? This would be a cartridge barrel...black powder only. Guess is what my question would be. Would the barrel hold up to the pressures? 46000 PSI? Is black powder pressures lower? Thank you much man! Hawk.

Unorthodox? On your channel? Never.😉

You probably know that big, long, heavy bullets most always shoot higher the short light ones because of the dwell time.

@Everythingblackpowder

Жыл бұрын

Yep, that’s why it was dumb to put the target so high on the paper.

@jimv.661

Жыл бұрын

@@Everythingblackpowder You probably put it on correctly, the cameraman just put the target upside down.

@merpius

Жыл бұрын

@@jimv.661 Or he just forgot to stand on his head. 🤣

Not unorthodox if your Elmer Keith

@davefellhoelter1343

Жыл бұрын

Na Wabbit Season?

this is probably a dumb question. what is this type of load to be used for? is it just a fun load to see what happens?

@Everythingblackpowder

Жыл бұрын

Nothing in particular

primers "flatten" for a lot of reasons ... not just high pressure.

@Everythingblackpowder

11 ай бұрын

I would say it’s the most common reason

@grayman7208

11 ай бұрын

@@Everythingblackpowder possibly ... however, low pressure can also cause flattened primers. poor cylinder fit can also cause flattened primers. loose primer pockets can also cause flattened primers, a better indication of too high pressures is if the firing pin pierces the primer.

You putting big Rifle bullet, now you should put large rifle primer lol so don't get flattened ...

I never caught what primers you are using, but have you considered switching to magnums if you haven't already? Also, have you ever looked into using a drop tube to increase the amount of powder you can get in the case?

@Everythingblackpowder

Жыл бұрын

Winchester primers. No need for a drop tube most of the time

@Bojangles6

Жыл бұрын

@Everything Black Powder yeah, but large pistol standard or what? Magnum primers are made heavier to handle more pressure. I don't how they differ in ignition, I just know they won't flatten or rupture with heavy loads.

@Everythingblackpowder

Жыл бұрын

@@Bojangles6 standard

Now my nerdy ass self is thinking “what if I take a 454 Casull and load it with 30-35 grains of FFFg Swiss and top it with a 500 grain bullet sized to .454”😂 In all seriousness though it’s interesting how out of the 24” Marlin barrel you almost got within spitting distance of the 45-55 Trapdoor carbine load.

Can you possibly shoot an evans repeating rifle?

That 2 shot group is still a dead deer at that range.

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Have you tried making a precompressed black powder load into a pellet? I think itd be cool to see corned loose powder, corned precompressed, and uncorned black powder pressed into a pellet. I dont know of a good way to measure the uncorned black powder by volume, maybe you can measure out the weight of the corned powder load, then get the same weight in uncorned powder to compress into a single pellet?

@clone4211

Жыл бұрын

I will eventually have to go back to this line of thought and make my own prismatic black powder with a pellet that burns from the inside out which should result in a higher average gas pressure and higher bullet velocities.

@greenjp779

Жыл бұрын

@@clone4211 idk how you can do that with a flintlock, but it should be doable with an inline muzzleloader. When you form the pellet just press it into a cylinder around a rod in the center to leave a hole straight down the middle

@greenjp779

Жыл бұрын

@@clone4211 id love to hear how it works for you. If or when you try it you should make a video showing the process and if it works as well as loose powder granules

Great content Jeff from TAOFLEDERMAUS sent me. 👍🏻🇺🇲

@Everythingblackpowder

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@ZMAN_420

Жыл бұрын

@@Everythingblackpowder No problem, I'm subscribed now. have a great Christmas and New Year! 👍🏻🇺🇲

@Everythingblackpowder

Жыл бұрын

Excellent thank you!

they're consistent velocity wise! what kind of lube commercial or homemade? and pan or hand?

@Everythingblackpowder

Жыл бұрын

Homemade, lambs tallow and beeswax. Hand lubed

@keithmoore5306

Жыл бұрын

@@Everythingblackpowder ever try vegetable shortening in lube? i was told about that the other day and i've never heard of it. the guy said he mixes shortening beeswax and oil and soaks patch strips in it for muzzle cutting of patches.

@Everythingblackpowder

Жыл бұрын

Yes it works just as well

@keithmoore5306

Жыл бұрын

@@Everythingblackpowder it's the first i've heard of it myself i've always used tallow of some kind when i made it or just got bore butter! i'll have to give it a try and see for myself tallow can be a bit hard to find around here!

I want ask you what you think about using a 185 gr. 45 in 45 long colt. with a load for a 200 gr. load from the book.

Very interesting project! Your 45-70 short loads in your rifle are about 70 fps faster than what my airforce texan air rifle pushes a 419 grn .457 cast WW slug. Thought you might find the air rifle interesting since it is so close to your rifle’s performance. Thanks for documenting the project & sharing. 457 Texan CF - 640+ FPE Lee 405 Power & Accuracy Test - kzread.info/dash/bejne/qaqHuJOviNzbmto.html

@Everythingblackpowder

8 ай бұрын

Thank you

Hey did you know you got quoted on a certain shotgun channel?

@Everythingblackpowder

Жыл бұрын

Oh yeah

May only have 400 ftlbs of energy, but I bet the terminal ballistics of you shot a deer at 25 yards would outsize another load running the same ftlbs of energy.

Well that showedem by golly. I'm guessing you called in a 45-70 wannabe because of the 405 lead? Actually I'm pretty sure of it. Damn good shoot'n my man damn good shoot'n, hell anytime you shoot it's good shoot'n

@Everythingblackpowder

Жыл бұрын

Thank you

Heycheck out Ethan's latest I love muzzleloading video, and tell me if you think this muzzleloader failure story doesn't look fishy to you. Mountain man

@Everythingblackpowder

Жыл бұрын

I saw it and yes it doesn’t add up to me but that’s just my opinion

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didn't suck

Stop shooting havy leads! You can affect rotation speed of earth, you small >>>!!!!

Dude....none of your videos suck!

@Everythingblackpowder

Жыл бұрын

Thank you

I think you’ll be fine in the open tops… I shoot 460 SW out of my uberti walker. But that’s my opinion…. Steels are better then they were in 1860. I ain’t to worried…