There is no room in the center torso because the original makers of the game wanted you to put ammo there so your mech will die in one lucky hit :-)

@HalIOfFamer

2 ай бұрын

well one lucky hit to the ammo in the side torso also kills a mech so I'd say the spirit of the OG designers intention is preserved. But at the same time if you manage to deplete most of the ammo or have case you get to survive which is a cool way to balance survivability vs ammo amount.

@shivalah

2 ай бұрын

You can have this effect also by putting a gauss rifle in the CT, as seen with the Stalker.

@UkrainianMechFactory

2 ай бұрын

This is more proof of concept than reliable design. Rule of cool too. Its also show how deep and worked out the rules are.

It's one of those things they handwaved in the early editions and nobody really paid any attention until later. My guess is that one simple retcon could fix the whole issue, that is the option to decentralize the engine and move parts of it to the side torso to make more room.

@rpontonjr

2 ай бұрын

Alternatively, split weapon criticals into weapon + weapon ammo feed and maybe weapon stabilizers, so you could distribute the weapon across multiple components. Each component would need to be in the same or adjacent location to the main component. e.g. an AC/20 would be 5 slots for the AC/20 itself, 2 slots for the AC/20 ammo feed, and 3 slots for the AC/20 shock absorber. This gives you more flexibility in weapon mounting, but more chance of losing the weapon to criticals or component loss. As a balance issue, I'd say Omnimechs must keep all weapon criticals in the same location.

That Awesome is... beautiful.

From an in-lore perspective: I would imagine the biggest reasons that large weapons aren't installed in the center torso: armor and target prioritization. The CT already has the engine and gyro, putting one of the mech's biggest weapons there would only further encourage shooting at it so you're taking out not only the integral components, but now also disabling a big weapon even if you don't core it. And the decreased armoring that would be possible because of the big honking weapon there would only make every previous issue I just listed even more prominent: while games may make it possible, in a realistic situation you can't put anywhere near as much armor on the center torso when the space the armor would be is taken up with a weapon of some kind, and the lowered armor feeds back into that targeting priority issue, because now not only is the center target a more valuable target to HIT, but it's easier to cause damage to it by way of there being less armor there to shield the big components. All that said, those models you rigged up look DOPE, especially that Stalker. The Stalker one actually strikes me one that could actually work, mitigating the armoring issue because of the shape of the armor there.

@UkrainianMechFactory

Ай бұрын

On the other hand, such weaponry add some protection to the Mech overall. Tabletop wise that extra seven slot in CT that weapon occupies are protecting the crucial component like Gyro and Engine from critical hits. For example it much better to receive crit to an AC/10 or PPC than to a Engine or Gyro. (Don't work with the Gauss rifle, Gauss explosion can destroy CT completely). Furthermore extra criticals have 50% chance to hit already disabled weapon further protecting Engine and Gyro.

I'm a simple man. I see an Ukrainian mech enthusiastic. I press like and I subscribe. 😊

I've been toying around with a few custom mech designs. Compact engine and gyro lets you mount a 7-crit device in the center torso. That's enough for a middle-weight autocannon or, like I prefer, a heavy PPC with capacitor. Just have to manage weight reducing options elsewhere.

@UkrainianMechFactory

2 ай бұрын

Or three Large Laser. HPPC with capacitor are good idea, at least it will not explode 20 damage.

The superheavy class of mechs and advanced rules external mounts will allow your visions. Your take on it is cool. What is your favorite paint brand?

That Stalker though... MmmmmMMMMMM!

@gae_wead_dad_6914

2 ай бұрын

This can be viewed as a twofold comment. Heh

@derekburge5294

2 ай бұрын

@@gae_wead_dad_6914 Like the Stalker, it is very versatile.

Love the paint schemes. Very cool!

these are not even bad designs considering they are very resiliant to damage(outside of the gauss stalker, I would not put a gauss in the CT ever)

@UkrainianMechFactory

2 ай бұрын

this is more proof of concept than reliable design, but Ac/10 in CT is not a bad choice. It can soak up critical hits instead of engine and gyro.

this is so cool. i love battle tech

beautiful mechs all around ^^

Nice video about the compact engine.

My friends and i allowed off set engines and gyros. The problem them became lack of armor in those locations. Even if you messed around with the armor point diagram, you still have the hit locations chart. Its still a fun idea to mess around with.

I think one issue would be the independent targetting. You'd need to adjust your Torso very specifically to make up even for small deviations I suppose. Not to say it's impossible and I think for SOME weapons that works rather well but... I can imagine it being a bit inconvienient.

can't honestly say if this is a shidpost or a dream come true

Is there any practical reason to actually do these kinds of builds? They do seem to provide some crit defence (aside from the gauss ones) but is it worth the tonnage costs? Also I'm pretty sure you can install heavy weaponry that can be split into the CT anyway.

@Talendale

2 ай бұрын

You can, but then there's weapon parts that are in the less protected side torsos. There's also the advantage that a weapon can soak up hits that would normally end up dinging the gyro or engine shielding. Personally, I think even just going with a compact gyro has some nice benefits, enough to fit the main gun(s) of many medium-light machines in the spot they're least likely to lose them before total destruction.

@eddapultstab2078

2 ай бұрын

Artillery weapons like the thumper and sniper are so massive that they take up all the arm and corresponding torso section.

@eddapultstab2078

2 ай бұрын

One thing about the CT section is that the mech is still active if it is not destroyed, and the pilot is still able to operate it. The zombie mech concept is basically have a weapons in the center torso so it can keep shooting until the mech or pilot is absolutely destroyed. The champion tries to follow this by forgoing the flexibility of having arm mounted weaponry and mount them to the three Toro sections while using the arms as damage sinks. This setup allows most of the weapons to be mounted in the most defensible spot at the rest of upper body is basically a massive shock absorber.

@tomarmadiyer2698

14 күн бұрын

*CHAMPION ES NUMERO UNO*

That Awesome though!

An interesting concept, it takes the champion to the extreme by having all the weapons in a spot that will most likely survive the longest. Why i use the champion is because it ditches arm mounts secure its weapons payload in the torsos while relying on the arms to shield the body in combat. In mw 5, its a great build because you can angle the incoming fire to hit the arms and i have done several missions where i sacrificed the arms to keep the torso sections, and weapons as intact as possible. However this build has some downsides, not only is compact variants take up more weight they are more sensitive to critical damage as well. I believe its 2 engine or 1 gyro hit is enough to cripple the mech. Dont roll a two on the front hit locations.

I always thought it would be cool if you could install the gyro in a torso side.

@LRK-GT

Ай бұрын

A pair of specialized mini gyros, kinda makes sense. Thing is, I'd imagine it'd have the same vulnerability as an IS XL engine: Lose 'half' your gyro, and whole 'mech becomes inoperable.

All these are cool, but my favorites have to be the Stalker and Awesome.

I like these. I should play around with the Compact stuff more. but this does lead me to another idea; I've been slowly making my own Battletech supplement that adds new weapons, variants, and equipment. what if we had an engine that weighs the same as the standard, but moves 4 of the critical slots to the side torsos. A wide engine if you will, where it puts 2 crit slots into each sides and takes up 4 less in the center. that would get us 6 slots total there with a standard gyro.

Hi what is the Mech at 0:18? it looks really cool but I have never seen it before

@UkrainianMechFactory

4 күн бұрын

Hellfire

Gaussback we pray 🙏🙏🙏

Спасибо за видо. Только сделай голос чуть погромче, и я был бы рад скачать рекордшиты этого добра... Что касается оружия в ЦТ, есть правило переноса оружия. Например у Кинг Краба KGC-0000 АС-20 занимают все руки и по 2 слота в полуторсах. Странно что разработчики не воспользовались этим правилом. Если нужен каноничный мехлаб рекомендую MegaMek, а если совсем заняться нечем - почитать Tech Manual.

you could also fit 7 clan er large lasers in the ct. because why not

I just wonder how long till an especially deranged mech tech makes a frankenmech with a tandem fusion reactor setup. Why have one reactor go crit when you can have two, one for each side torso.

Compact equipment really isn't worth it. Weight wise, you sacrifice 50% of a standard model's weight, or up to 2t for a Gyro for 2 slots, but 13.5t for an Engine for 4 slots, or 26.5t for a Compact Engine Charger, ie something stupid. Hit Location and Crit wise, given that Torso mounted weapons only fire into the Front Facing, meaning all hits will also land within the Front Facing, you have a 16.66% to hit Center with an additional 2.77% chance for a Center Crit, compared to the Side Torso's 13.88% chance with a 0% Crit, for a +40% greater chance to hit Center. While Armor and Structure wise, Center can have +47% more armor or structure, but with the afore mentioned crit chance the 7% difference doesn't really seem like enough. Take your Thunderbolt for Instance, instead of a Compact Engine, you could instead have +4t of Hardened Armor, if spread evenly would increase your Side Torso's armor by +32% or up to +87.5% if focused. Course you would become more reliant on those Jump Jets, but with a 3/5/3 I assume you already were. Though you don't need to be if you use Patchwork Armor Rules and don't put any Hardened Armor on the Legs.

@UkrainianMechFactory

2 ай бұрын

You are correct. But nevertheless it this type of engine exist.

All because that's how FASA designed the record sheet and everyone is to stuck in the mud to do any different.

CERPPC or 2x CERLL