Thank you for your knowledge. I now know that the wheeled version is what I require for grading my driveway.

Thanks for a no BS video and for talking about price points. Great video!

@Dirtmonkey

4 жыл бұрын

You're welcome CG!

Love ur videos!! Very informative and helped me get started about 5 years ago. The only thing I wanted to add to ur video is that tracks do not cost $2000 per side. Last winter before my original tracks wore out I wanted to buy a more universal rubber track for my 2012 T-190, I need to buy studs for the original tracks that are terrible on ice. But with studs I could push more snow then a wheel machine. Now my new camoso tracks on sale for $815 each side, out perform my original tracks with studs. No studs needed for the new tracks and no scratch marks left behind. From running equivalent machines both wheeled and tracked, new tracks on a CTL make a world of a difference. For an all season machine, for me at least, the T-190 is the perfect choice!! I don't like the original "C" pattern tracks but once replaced it turns that machine into a true powerhouse!! But I love ur videos please keep posting! And please don't take this comment badly, it's just what I wanted to add. Thank u and again!! Ur awesome!!

Spot on correct in your views , I had a 743 that I had steel tracks for working in sand. The tracks worked very well but it was really tough on the machine and the sand wears out the tracks fast . Tyres are cheap and I replace them every 12 mths if required. My S130 has never had tracks put on it as I avoid it and use a T190 if its soft or sandy or muddy . Use the right machine and save $$$$$.

Thanks for your videos, I've learned alot! Want to get done with the railroad and work for myself. Right now I clean a couple Walmart parking lots!

Excellent video Stan thank you sir.

Great advise. Thank You. I bought a set of steel tracks (over tire) and had great luck with them. They were about half the price of rubber over tire tracks. You have to get them very tight because they loosen up and start smacking you machine. When you hear that you have to stop and tighten it again. After once or twice it's good to go and you don't have to tighten it again unless you remove/replace. Caution, they are hard to load on a deck over trailer. tends to slide and could be dangerous. I load in a dump trailer so never had any trouble. Also the tires can spin inside the tracks, but that usually means they are a little loose. Or you might be asking it to do too much. Try a different angle or take less of a bite. In all, I'm very happy with the steel tracks I bought 2 years ago.

@Dirtmonkey

8 жыл бұрын

You hit on a few good points. Steel tracks can be very slippery when loading and unloading.

@galehess6676

2 жыл бұрын

load on wood, less slip, and tracks over kill drive motors

Makes sense Thanks for the vid !

Most useful video on the topic.

This was very helpful thanks.

@Dirtmonkey

8 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

nice video i like the mowers on the trailer

love watching the shows the information. i dont wanna sound rude i kinda already knew this but there was way more stuff i needed to know and man appreciate youre videos keep them coming!

@Dirtmonkey

8 жыл бұрын

Thanks Luis.

Excllent advice i agree 100% i bought a case wheel skid steer a couple years ago thank you so much for the tips. God Bless you

@Dirtmonkey

6 жыл бұрын

Awesome! Thanks for watching Thomas

@nickpanasiuk4618

5 жыл бұрын

"Pannys Super Super Skid Steer (soon commercially available world wide) can out perform any competitor in its weight class! 519 996-0185

Stan, I want to say thank you for the honest, excellent knowledge you have given to us as a new business just starting up with heavy machinery. I have a new S570 seeking rubber OTT tracks. Any particular set you recommend for working on lawns? Thx

You speak wisdom my friend, after 28yrs being a self employed bobcat operator your experience mirrors mine in what works best .

Well put, we use a T190 track model for grading and most landscape jobs. Wheels for demo and the hardscape areas. Thanks for the Video!

@Dirtmonkey

9 жыл бұрын

Tim Hagan Same here, wheels for hard surfaces, tracks for dirt. :)

@walsh9354

4 жыл бұрын

Here’s my question. A tire only wears one way, what about rubber tracks ? What should give out first, the outside, or inside lining of the track ? My concern is i feel like carrying 3000 + lbs over & over will strain the track more, then whatever surface I’m on

Great advice thanks 😊 🙏 👍

I love landscaping it's so fun dream job

@Dirtmonkey

7 жыл бұрын

Awesome!

keep up the good work ! i have some grading to do with my lawn , drainage and driveway need repair...

@Dirtmonkey

8 жыл бұрын

+Mr. Saddler Thank you!

I am sold !!

Thank you that's very helpful information do you have any videos on sod and irrigation installations

i like wheeled ones because i get the 2" thick tread and you can drive those on pavement in the hot summer and still get them to last for 5 years with commercial use. They last another year after the tread is all the way down

thank you you are really helpful

Howdy and thank you for the video. I am trying to decide between a compact tracked steer and a skid steer with tires. Years ago I had a 90 horse Thomas skid steer on a ranch we had in northeast, Wyomin' and it worked well for me. I was happy with it and loved the attachments like the backhoe. This time however my ranch location will be in the desert southwest and another ranch. Different environment. Lots of sand, rock and things that poke you and stick you. I am concerned about the tires getting lots of flats from mesquites, rocks, cacti and so on. That same material could be pretty hard on tracks as well. I will need to clear quite a lot of fence line that means clearing brush etc., and there maybe some moderate slopes involved. One thing is that tearing up the desert ground is a good thing because it can stimulate range grass growth, so no worries on that account. So I am pretty confused as to which one to choose. I would be interested in your thoughts and opinion as to what might be the best set up for me and also if you have had any experience with solid tires like here, www.earthforce.com/parts/search/default.aspx?ManuID=1&MachineTypeID=8&CatID=23 Thank you and happy trails, Mike

Love the video man I'm actually going to go and purchase a brand new Kubota SVL 75-2 here in the next couple weeks with a brush mower I've watched several of your videos and they've been very helpful what are your thoughts on that Kubota just curious thanks keep up the good work.

I have owned a couple different brands over the years in my construction business and currently own a Bobcat A300 and recently bought a Bobcat A770..both are all wheel steer and i can get 1000 hrs out of a set of tires and I use the loaders from snow removal to pushing slate around.Love the way I can get in a customers lawn and not do very much damage to the turf.

@Dirtmonkey

8 жыл бұрын

+Ian bob 1000 hours is excellent.

Was suprised you did not cover foam filled tires. Had them on my Mustangs for my Masonry business and loved them as you could not puncture them. Real good as we worked around rebar and other sharp objects all the time.

@chevyon37s

7 жыл бұрын

Loronzo's Gorbonzo Foam filled tires fall into the same category as tires. They're they exact same except with foam filled you have a little more weight down low and a tire you can run with chunks the size of base balls missing. Although because of the extra tire weight they're a little harder on the machine.

the rubber tracks over tires have steel in them, they just are coated with rubber- essentially the same thing. so they have the same load on your equipment.

It’s so weird watching your old videos

This helps a lot. thanks​. I'm just a low-level landscaper coming up in the world fresh out of the army if you ever want to do business or advice holler, Thanks​ and God bless

I'm approaching 4k hours on ctl's, mostly Takeuchi, 300+ on Bobcat and while I've run the skid steer loaders some, you couldn't run fast enough to sell me one. If I need wheels, it needs to steer conventionally or by pivot like some small articulated loaders. If I have to work on asphalt much, I prefer a ton. Off-road, give me the tracks every time. As far as throwing tracks, I adjust tension for conditions, haven't lost one yet. As far as wear, not all tracks are created equal. Best replacements I've seen yet come from our local Komatsu dealer. Liked them so good, put a set on my Cat 304cr.

There is a track repair kit to repair slices and damage to the tracks works great I have used and was very impressed

Depends on what your doing with it

thanks good info

all of the tracked loaders I've used had a higher tipping limit, and generally more stable, but also noticeably wider than their wheeled siblings.

@Dirtmonkey

8 жыл бұрын

They are a lot more stable. Especially on hills.

@jasonswift7098

4 жыл бұрын

Depends how wide the bucket is you have attached to it, ive read that tracked loaders are narrower.

Okay so I have a bobcat 863. Greta video by the way. But, I want to be able to plow my very steep driveway when it snows and I also want to be able to clear a road through the woods on a very steep and potentially muddy slope. What would you recommend for that?

track machines are way better. we get each replacement track for 1k

@samuelnichols9037

2 жыл бұрын

I 100% agree with you. I run 2 333g track jd skidsteers and I like them way better than the wheel skidsteer especially with the work I do.

Thanks for the video, it seems spot on with everything I've read. I'm considering taking on a business adventure that has been offered to me and am gathering information . My question is this, how much difference is their in the track over tire method and the track loader? What it would be used for is site clean up for a residential builder. (Cleaning leftover slab pours, framing materials ext.)( Basically picking up leftover supplies in a pile and throwing it in a dumpster) So the terrian will be minimal in terms of level, maybe occasional soft ground due to rain, but even that I feel would be minimal on a broad scale in conditions that the tracked would be worth it. Maintance cost seem to be much much higher, cost of the unit is much much higher, and a lack of versitility. Would you agree ? Or offer any insight . Thank you again

Great video

@Dirtmonkey

8 жыл бұрын

+eddie bres Thanks!

Thank you for the great video! There is nothing out there really about the pin connection, I am looking at kubota ssv 65 and I have the option to get pin connectors 14 and 8. Don't want to need it later but not sure what I would need them for also.

Found we need both in our area with doing so many different jobs.one day we can be working in gumbo the next on asphalt. That being said we use a wheeled machine first tires are cheaper then tracks.

@Dirtmonkey

7 жыл бұрын

Thats the way we do it. We have 1 with tracks- 3 with tires.

Great information mostly. Sounds like he needs a better vender for the tracks though. I'm still on the fence regarding wheeled or track, track for the comfort and less damage to topsoil and wheeled for compaction.Question: We have high clay content, which would you recommend for landscaping on high clay content soil, wheeled or tracked?

Question, which is better for the woods. What does more damage to the ground turning, tracks or tires. Do some work in hayfield where the hay has just been cut. Hope you can help thanks.

We always spray driveways with water and we have sheets of puckboard for wet yards we would tear up the lawn with tracks. But we have rented a track machine to drive on the beach

I used to work at a tire shop down by the twin Cities. We had contractors coming in all the time for new skid loader tires. what we ended up doing was recapping most of their tires. with that you can select tread patterns, Hardness of the rub and some of the contractors that did a lot of pavement or highway work would have them filled with a heavy rubber compound. Now the compound can NOT be removed once it's put in but it adds a lot of weight. You can recap these tires multiple times as long as you don't let them get woren down to far before you do it again.

@Dirtmonkey

7 жыл бұрын

I have used recaps- with both good and bad results. It is much cheaper but i have had them separate for some reason.

I’ll go test it

Another very informative breakdown. Judge by your cost per hour for tires being $3.33, I would guess you're on pavement or concrete a lot. Most guys that I know that use ski loaders for farm use tend to get close to 1000 hrs per set of tires. Ours gets used a lot in the field loading hay and straw so we usually get 13-1500 hours per set of tires due to the dirt moving rather than peeling off the tires. I don't have any experience to offer with tracks, never ran one with them, but have gotten myself stuck many times with the wheeled machine. Good information for anyone looking to buy a skid loader.

@Dirtmonkey

8 жыл бұрын

+ih1206 Yes- we are on concrete a lot- so its a higher cost per hour.

What brand tires do you like for demo work and what Ott tracks are the best for grading/ yardwork

Ooh I so wanta show you the pic of the excavater stuck underwater in my creek that the county left me to clean up ..lol

Steel tracks are great for clearing woods and fence rows

I think he should make an updated video on this topic

What skid steer to buy??? which ever one has the best product support locally. The best machine is the one you can pay for and maintain. I live and work in central Oregon...Lava rock everywhere 18inch average depth of soil. Bobcat and Cat is popular in this area. Im a Bobcat fan although I have 1999 daewoo 601 and Bobcat S205. Daewoo is an odd duck but the most easy simple machine to work on. I only use "tires". Our material is mostly sandy loam w/no clay or solid lava rock humps. Nice to work in even when wet. The ground here "chews" up Tracks and Tires evenly but it seems Tracked skid steers are becoming more the norm with "younger" excavators. I will only buy wheeled skid steers...old fashion. We try to use skid steers only in hauled in dirt or gravel...try to keep them off rocky ground..which we have a lot of. I have been in excavation business in this area for 30 yrs, still a small company, easier for me. The bottom line...each "good operator" develops their own Technic on how to use each piece of equipment correctly w/out destroying it in their local conditions.

@Dirtmonkey

7 жыл бұрын

You have Great insight-that only comes from experience.

Stan, I love the tutorials, they are very helpful. I operate a Landscape business in WA. We are expanding our services to include skid steer brush cutting and mowing. I just wanted to pick your brain about putting rubber OTT on a long wheelbase skid steer. With that 2000lb mower deck out front and those tracks, do you think this would be satisfactory on decent slopes?

@Dirtmonkey

6 жыл бұрын

Yes- do it!

I wanted to know your opinion on Hi flow attachments over standard. I'm buying a slasher but wondered if Hiflow was a better option over standard? they both spin right!?

I prefer tracks ALMOST all the time. Better in so many areas that I sold all of my wheeled loaders. But I only have 3 decades worth of experience so kind of a rookie. ;~) The solid tires are the only way to go on a wheeled skiddy. Especially if doing concrete demo. Yes, they are expensive but they out wear foam filled or pneumatic tires 5 to 1 in my experience. and when they wear down just have them retreaded.

Bought an 04 S160 last summer had 846 hrs, cab with heat and AC. Came with tooth bucket,light material bucket, set of forks and a set of worn out rubber tracks for 16k. Didn`t think that was too bad. Now looking at a set of no flats solid tires about $1800.00 and would like a set of the Prowler Stealth tracks that have the replaceable rubber pads, about $2500.00. Got a set of chains for plowing snow. My neighbor has a track machine and it is helpless on packed snow and ice.

@Dirtmonkey

8 жыл бұрын

+Dmax04 Some tracks are worthless on snow- while others are actually beneficial. I have the worthless ones myself ;(

Have you ran the all wheel steer bobcats? I have spent a couple thousand hours in a Bobcat A770 and think it’s night and day better that a regular skid steer for most things, if you end up needing skid steer function just flip a switch and you can still use it as a skid steer as well.

Do you have a video using this over wheel track system?

What brand or brands of rubber OTT should I be looking at to buy for a Bobcat S650? I do some finished spaces like grass and street use. Not much digging.

What would you suggest for a driveway that is 100 vertical feet for snowplowing. Also how hard is it to put rubber tracks on the wheels?

My interest lies with the different types of tracked vehicles. I've noticed for examples that excavators have a different frame & suspension set up to say thanks. How many types of track set ups are there. Snow tracked trucks in Europe are again something else & so are garden machinery. can you either elaborate &/ do a video &/ suggest where I can find all information pertaining to tracked vehicle geometry. many thanks for your indulgence. great video by the way. Kind regards from London.

hey buddy do you recommend this over tire rubber tracks for Florida construction sites very sandy.

Track loaders are for winners, wheels are for people that dream dream of having a track loader

Looking forward to purchase a skidsteer what will be a good option Bob cat or case I do alot grading and material spreading.

Solid tires are the way to go with a wheeled machine if you want to eliminate down time.

Who would have thought this topic would go on a results driven track. Unless your in the business you don't learn this stuff first hand. Made my mind up.

What kind of skid steer should you buy? A takehachi of course!

I have worked with both wheeled and tracked and the thing that i did not like about track was that when you are grading rock it pops up and makes the track pop off and you have to drain the grease and pump the cylinders back up which take for ever. But I have had a wheeled bobcat and loved it because depending on what i was doing I could do it without screwing up by digging up property and having to pay back the cost in damage which sucks when you have to depend on that job.

@Dirtmonkey

7 жыл бұрын

Good point Dakota!

Stand i am buying my first bobcat with the new tracks they make do you think they are good for plowing?

I enjoy your videos. I have a lot to clear. Very uneven terrain to even walk on ...I think there are more rocks to clear than actual trees. My method of madness is to try and chain saw as many trees as I can than let the trees fall as they may. Then cut them into 8 foot sections. Here's my question....is a Track steer with a rock grapple the way to go instead of a wheel steer? It seems as if every second step are small boulders. Which type of steer would go over that terrain the best?? I need the grapple to pick the rocks as well. Thanks.

Hey Stan. Going in to buy a new skid steer from kabota or asv. I push snow in the winter and lay stone in the summer. Wheels or tracks?

$900/EA for rubber tracks for my ASV that will last 1100-1300 hours depending... How LONG DO YOUR TRIES LAST?? and how much will you spend getting unstuck?

@Ole_CornPop

2 жыл бұрын

I usually just watch his videos to realize just how much experience i do have and what NOT to do.

@Bowiiihowdy

2 жыл бұрын

All depends on your job..

Here’s my question. A tire only wears one way, what about rubber tracks ? What should give out first, the outside, or inside lining of the track ? My concern is i feel like carrying 3000 + lbs over & over will strain the track more, then whatever surface I’m on

Just curious , what brand and model of mini ex would you recommend ?

@estebanibarra6007

3 жыл бұрын

John deer in minis they are the best ones

If my neighbor buys a rundown house across the street this video would be very helpful to choose what loaders we need. BUT should I buy a Caterpillar Wheel Excavator or a Caterpillar Track Excavator?

What size ASV do you suggest for landscaping?

.. i ran a 299 d2. And have used ole bobcats with wheels. Id say the more tire on the ground the better!. Ive used both.. tracked skids are more stable for sure.. rocks on the other hand can make a bad squeaking noise with tracks. But with good maintenance and tight tracks its ok...my opionin is tracks are better.. more stable with heavy loads to.. ive hauled up to 8,000 pounds with d2 and id assume if it had tires on it.. it would have been alot unstable

Wow! Awesome video! Very informative, there are definitely huge differences between wheeled and tracked equipment. Of course because of my company, I would have to say that tracked vehicles are the best. And, granted tracks have some problems with traction, but with the right traction attachments, and a good operator, a rubber track Skid Steer or loader can do anything! ;)

@Dirtmonkey

7 жыл бұрын

Very true!

@dilinivisaka2522

2 жыл бұрын

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Thanks. I've never owned a skid steer. Need one for around the farm. Moving dirt, gravel, etc. What size Cat would you suggest. I'm looking at a 249d

@Dirtmonkey

7 жыл бұрын

Mid sized for general work.

It depends on what kinda terrain your on

Thanks I think you help me I think I want the rubber tires with the rubber tracks that I can take on and off

@Dirtmonkey

6 жыл бұрын

Yes- good choice

haven't used a skid steer much, can you use chains on tire?

I have a hover skids steer so I don't need to worry about tires or tracks.

I have both, lol .....2018 Cat 249D and a 2022 262 D3

Tracks are great for grading didn't like them when I first used them because I grew up using rubber tired with my dads buisness , but now after running a track hard to go back

@Dirtmonkey

8 жыл бұрын

+Josh Schrenk yes- awesome for grading.

Looking to purchase for small logging on my property, what brand do you think is the best, my farm mostly Kubota and Deere

@lucasmead8434

3 жыл бұрын

Both are great skid steers? Did you end up getting one, if so what make and model ?

nice video

@Dirtmonkey

8 жыл бұрын

Thank you

And I'll add.. That the operator makes a difference too..

what is the hours power between tires and truck especially steel

very helpful cuold you go over attachments manly buckets teeth vs. none. snowblowers vs. plows. and maybe any other attachments you have . when you should use a smaller loader vs. a bigger one. and any other things that are pros and cons of loaders.

@Dirtmonkey

7 жыл бұрын

Will do!

Tracks wear out on hard abrasive surfaces fast. I like tire and track depending on job.

@walsh9354

4 жыл бұрын

I was gonna say feel like tracks will wear out faster carrying heavier objects too. Just the work load from the inside lining

There's also demo tires.. they are just a hard tire.. rough as all hell but if your doing alot of demo work they won't puncture

Do you know If anyone makes steel tracks for the tracked skid steers I would be using the almost exclusively on rocky dirt where the hard traction is nessicary

steel tracks are great! They would only damage the frame of your machine if you don't reverse your rims before you install them. I've had a set of on one of my skid steers for 8 years now. That's $2,000 spent and I haven't had to replace the rubber tires that they ride on since then, so I think they've more than paid for themselves. only drawback as you mentioned, is if you select a set with agressive treads they will damage new hot top. They do make them with passive treads though.

@Dirtmonkey

8 жыл бұрын

+peter michael Spacers also work well to keep the tracks away from the machine. I have ran for years with Steel Tracks- they have their place but I am moving away from them. I prefer rubber tracks.

we use a tracked bobcat T750....amazing machine. we do construction and most of it is dirt/mud with some asphalt and concrete driving. only problem with bobcat is only their mechanics can work on them....

@Dirtmonkey

8 жыл бұрын

How many horse power is that bobcat?

@landonmorel3715

8 жыл бұрын

+Stanley "Dirt Monkey" Genadek I believe it's 85 hp and has a max load capacity of around 3,300 lbs. we have rubber tracks on it...2 speed, bob-tach. we have forks, toothed bucket and a brush hog. have also used the jack hammer for it...works damn nice. pretty hard to get it stuck as well.

@Dirtmonkey

7 жыл бұрын

Nice!

Rubber Tracks is way better than tires hands down

Is a rubber track 50% as good as a real tracked machine? More or less? I am looking at a skid steer for farm work due to lifting 1200lb round bales. not sure if I need track or wheeled. We do have a 1/4 mile gravel driveway to take care of, but also alot of dirt areas as well. The rubber track seems like a good compromise but not sure how much worse it is then a dedicated machine. This will be a light duty machine not contractor grade.

at our hardscape company we have multiple track and tire cat machines 259b-279b tire machines multiple 299d2 and 259 track machines our tires last only about 400hrs and then not only are we replacing the tires but we are replacing the rims bc the stress of turning on a tire machine is much more then a track and puts pressure on the back tires which eventually will cause it to pull the lugnuts out

@edwardcullen5705

7 жыл бұрын

Stuart Smith I don't know what company makes them but I do know you can buy after market rims for skid loaders. the center of the rim is at least half steal. might help.

Question, I used to work at a tire store that specialized in doing drill and studs an tires that whereat factory pinned for studs. Is that something that would be practical for snow plowing on city streets?

@Dirtmonkey

8 жыл бұрын

Nope.

i had a wheeled 873, sold and bought a ctl70 tracks totally in love , ctl has a 8 years old track old and dry cracked and bla bla bla , so far i have put 250 hours in it looking just like when i bought it so 400 hours on your tracks sound just too low ,