Geeeeez! This beautiful discussion is the kind of thing we should be seeing on PBS, MSNBC, FOX, CNN etc. Also as in editorials in NY T, WSJ, LA Times, Chicago Tribune, etc. Instead we see cowardly platitudes and boot licking to cancel culture. Good for you, Dr Loury and Prof. MacDonald. I hope more people expose themselves to your discussions and writings! Thank you for being wonderful examples of how to convey sanity and civility in a discussion!!!

@cinemar

3 жыл бұрын

Never going to happen.

@dukemd69

3 жыл бұрын

Check out: Life Liberty and Levin, on FOX; April 25, 2021. Thoughtful and truthful. Just the facts. Bravo.

Honesty, courage, intellect, compassion. I just wish there was a middle ground people could meet at.

@number2pencil988

3 жыл бұрын

(hey make another video)

@just_another32

3 жыл бұрын

@@number2pencil988 I will do. When I feel angry / inspired enough again. Thanks for the encouragement! :-)

@johnbrown4568

3 жыл бұрын

There is...it's called objective scientific research with concurrent replication studies...assuring the veracity of derived results. Now, to find intellectually capable and honest and politicians as well as journalists who will loudly vocalize objective data is a much more difficult task.

@greym7857

3 жыл бұрын

Very Succinct....if you switch honesty and courage, it makes the acronym CHIC. I wish it was chic to think that way today.

@just_another32

3 жыл бұрын

@@greym7857 I like it! I'll remember that - think chic.

Both Glenn and Heather exemplify what free intellectual discourse should be. They provide a public service by keeping a check against the dogma of critical race theory and unreflective leftists. And they are both risking their career time and time again.

Smart people are smart people, irrespective of race, color or creed.

@radicallefty7069

3 жыл бұрын

Or political leaning

@simonclare100

3 жыл бұрын

@@radicallefty7069 was Stalin smart ? killed millions, I think not

3 жыл бұрын

@The Lone Stranger Yes but what's important is the brain under your skin color! And Whites are MORE ENDOWED. But I guess God is responsible!

3 жыл бұрын

@@simonclare100 Stalin was a political genius and very-well read, but criminals can be very smart! I'd rather hear Wagner, although he was an antisemite, than some guy playing the drum in the jungle!

@simonclare100

3 жыл бұрын

@ depends how you define smart really, Stalin was intelligent certainly, but if he was smart he'd have used it for good

These two are incredible! Im proud that my hometown of Providence, Rhode Island is now the residence of this great man!

I like Heather and her books very much. I came across Glenn about a year ago and I’m extremely happy I did. Two great people with intellectual integrity.

I see Glenn Loury I click

@workhorse7134

3 жыл бұрын

I see Heather Mac Donald and I click.

@danilopompey754

3 жыл бұрын

@@workhorse7134, perhaps both of you should think about what they are actually saying: Glen, you ought to be ashamed of yourself. We have equal treatment before the law and if the rapist cannot get off because he raped a slut, then in George's case, the cop cannot get off just because George had a criminal record. That is the first point. Second, BLM is trying to hold cops accountable who murder unarmed citizens. Why? Because we can see with our own eyes who needs to be held accountable. Now, Glen, your objection to cops being held accountable is that some unknown person is not being held accountable for the murders they commit. Are you kidding? You first have to determine who did the murder, no? And whose jobs is that, Glen? Why, the f*cking cops! Glen, please, stop, drop and think, please. QE

@gabrielenriquemartinez

3 жыл бұрын

@@danilopompey754 with all due respect, I think you misunderstood Loury's positions. Watch it again thinking of ways the conversation contradicts what you wrote. I think you will be surprised.

@crypticgirl507

3 жыл бұрын

I see either one or both and click!!!

@danilopompey754

3 жыл бұрын

@@gabrielenriquemartinez, me parece que eres tan tonto. You must be a troll, right? Why did you comment on my comment if you could not refute a single thing I said, not one. Your thesis is: I misunderstood, so I should review the video to find support for your assertion? How do you sound? Can you hear yourself? You’re trolling me, right? Chico, it’s your thesis and therefore your job to support it with some evidence. Me thinks you too need to stop, drop and think . . . Refrain from commenting on my posts, please, since you so obviously have nothing substantive to say. QED

This is America, two people discussing the issues of the day,, both looking at the pros and cons and exchanging ideas and opinions in good faith. The way the greatest democracy on the planet works.

@cheriedavis5690

3 жыл бұрын

N Mills yet churches are being closed down. People are being fired for exercising their freedom of speech and BLM and ANTIFA are intimidating , hurting people and conducting violence in the streets. This world needs to turn back to the creator and Gid that allowed this nation to exist or it won’t.

@rerite2

3 жыл бұрын

@@cheriedavis5690 -- Praise be to Gid!

@davidprince1138

3 жыл бұрын

Not surprisingly, the greatest amount of vitriol that I have seen comes from the left, much less the incredible level of hypocrisy.

@larreye8451

3 жыл бұрын

Give me a break, if you want to make a point calling it the West is most appropriate. Much of the despicable politics in terms of all this gender and race bs is coming right from this "greatest democracy".

@briancox9357

3 жыл бұрын

I don't think it's accurate to claim that USA is a greater democracy than UK. When was the last time a UK election result was violently challenged by the losing side?

I love Glen-and Heather. Two truth tellers. What an epic show!

NO ONES as based as Heather Macdonald, shes been fighting this fight before ANYONE saw it/cared/etc.

@jennifermorgan6913

3 жыл бұрын

Camile Paglia has been writing and speaking on what we now call "woke" culture for 30 years

@bennym5244

2 жыл бұрын

Yes she was this coming a long time ago.

Glenn and Heather are not only National Treasurs but they should be heard in the rest of the World .. Brillant conversation ! Many thanks.

Like a Jordan Peterson Lecture... All these obvious truths brought to light explicitly. Minorities need to work within their communities to nurture the sovereignty of individuals and not blame external forces for their woes. What's missing in these communities is self-worth due to the lack of identity... Identity is directly linked to FATHERS.

@workhorse7134

3 жыл бұрын

And don't forget the welfare state that financially incentivises single mother households. Nothing wrong with a temporary safety net however when you spend long periods of time on welfare and have no work you get demoralised and feel worthless.

@highneedforcognition9660

3 жыл бұрын

Look up Bob Woodson, civil rights icon currently doing exactly what you asked within the black community

@MrSchiff74

3 жыл бұрын

Hello, Scandinavia speaking here. This is just bs you are saying, we are living proof of that. Support single mothers all you can, free healthcare, and children have of single mothers do 10x better than were you are from with hustling to find some psycho male to move into the house. Life is less stress and they be very fast on the job market again. Greeting from the countries that are in top10 of all lists when it comes to quality of life. JP is a christian charlatan.

@ElroyMunson

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrSchiff74 Who pays for the "free" Healthcare for the single mothers ? Not the Psycho Males is it ? I have a list of countries that are in the top ten in people who believe they're in the top ten when they're not... Scandanavia tops that list... It also tops the list in heathens.

@bonsummers2657

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrSchiff74 Hello Scandinavia, but, ethno-cultural-racial trend-characteristics are crucial, possibly at an instrinsic/genetic level,… but you didn't address the ethno-cultural-racial matter,…. especially to consider relatively homogenous-ethno-racial majority populations within a primary cultural area.

These two are absolute treasures! Came here because I'm a HUGE Heather Mac Donald fan and now I'm also a Glenn Loury fan. Best conversation I've heard in a long time. Hats off and keep it up guys!!

@elijahhaswings1588

3 жыл бұрын

Have you listened to Dr. Thomas Sowell?

@krisa5896

3 жыл бұрын

@@elijahhaswings1588 Yes ma'am. Another fantastic voice that the mainstream media completely ignores on ideological grounds.

What a delightful conversation! They fly over and then dive into so many interesting topics. This is like watching two ospreys fishing: circling above for a bit, then SWOOSH!!! dive into the lake and catch their fish. I loved everything: the amount of ground they covered, they literary references, the vocabulary both the colloquial and the elegant, the analysis, the conclusions!!!! One of the best dialogues!

@roundedges2

3 жыл бұрын

You’re not too shabby yourself with words, Mr. naturalist LOL

To facilitate the rise of lawlessness, glorify the lawbreaker.

@davidprince1138

3 жыл бұрын

It is so disturbing and depressing to see people's businesses and lives being destroyed with literally no consequences whatsoever. Radical left activists spouting absolute delusions in declarations of racism, oppression, supremacy and privilege. This is why I was so surprised when Biden was elected. I suppose it is possible that people would rather live in anarchy and false social claims rather than vote for trump. We must return to reality, equality and solutions to the young blacks believing that we are all racist and that any skill or ability is a "white mans" act, which should not matter and it should all be simply personal effort and responsibility.

This conversation needs to get out to more people!!! Thank you for bringing it to us. Heather & Glenn are two of the best!

@bennym5244

2 жыл бұрын

Yes! Why are they not on the breakfast club?

I would support a Loury - Mac Donald ticket!!! The Country desperately needs smart, rationale, tempered leadership!

"The Mournful Recitation of the Platitudes"

3 жыл бұрын

Which bear REPEATING

Isn't another reason "white supremacy" and "white guilt" etc., are so readily embraced is because it's the easiest way forward? It would be so much harder to do the actual work of changing Black culture or, for that matter, doing the actual studying, delaying gratification, etc. Maybe that point was made and I didn't hear it.

@playnejayne5550

3 жыл бұрын

Even suggesting that cultural change is warranted as a path ahead is considered "racist" (Ibrahim Kendi) Kind of makes me think that on the one hand people have lost hope in achieving equality and equity in the meritocratic way. Also, the leaders seem to not want a way ahead.

@mrbattowel

3 жыл бұрын

Prof. Loury has made similar points in the past, although perhaps focused on affirmative action in schools.

@highneedforcognition9660

3 жыл бұрын

@CalvinSomething That's easy to do, but responsibility and blame are distinct. If a drunk driver messes my leg up, it's ultimately his fault but it's my responsibility to do the physical therapy, and if I never do it I can't say he's the only reason I didn't improve.

@rogerk662

3 жыл бұрын

@@highneedforcognition9660 The other part to be noted here is that the drunk driver is long dead. Many are now blaming his children and grandchildren for his misdeed, which is obviously an extremely unethical thing to do. However, it is one of the most used tactics right now, and it will do nothing to make things better.

@highneedforcognition9660

3 жыл бұрын

@@rogerk662 I think there's an ethical argument for some of the drunk driver's wealth passed down through generations to be redistributed to me if I was unable to sue him while he was still alive. In a functioning society, insurance would have already paid me for my lost time, wages, and suffering, but I can't keep asking for more money because I can't walk as fast as I once did if I did not also do the physical therapy that was agreed to in the settlement.

Thank you so very much for being the voices that we so much needed to hear in America. Thank you for being the light of this day and age. We need more people like you! We really appreciate all your work. Keep it up!

Nobody combines intellect with heartfelt passion like Lowry. There are equally smart people, but they remain in analytical mode - he does it with the heart.

@bennym5244

2 жыл бұрын

I had never heard of him but the minute he said he was a economics adviser I knew he wasn't going to have the same mindset as fellow 'intellectual ' Dr umar Johnson.

So utterly correct. Such fine speakers. From a grateful Australian.

@mottgirl13

3 жыл бұрын

🙌🏻

@edwardhayes6111

3 жыл бұрын

Love Australia and Australians. Always nice, unpretentious, and good.

Two national treasures. Such a breath of fresh air to see such an honest conversation. God bless both Glenn and Heather!!!!

Heaven. Two of my favorite thinkers sharing thoughts. Thank you both for a worthwhile, excellent conversation.

"The devil said we’ll use their pride, We’ll attack them from inside. Fill their hearts with vanity, Til their differences are all they’ll see. Black and white, rich and poor, To justify their holy war." Written by Chip Davis, Douglas Johnson and Kim Williams in 2013, and recorded by Gordon Mote and later, Reba McEntire,, this verse from "Meanwhile Back At the Cross," was amazingly insightful, if not prophetic.

Apropos of what Obama didn't say, what about what he did say at the DNC, that our young people are showing us the way. A deeply irresponsible statement to say the least.

Two of my favorite people who I learn from every moment I spend listening. Thank you both for your contribution to humanity and society.

This is probably the best commentary on current issues I've heard on KZread

Ay about the 24 minute mark Dr. Loury launches a BRILLIANT soliloquy that makes one ache and say "Only if...

@canteluna

3 жыл бұрын

Yes! Loury perfectly articulates what Obama should have said. And it would have ruffled feathers on the left but so what. Most Americans would have loved to hear Loury's words.

@d.a.tsun5104

3 жыл бұрын

@@canteluna Obama could STILL have said it, but no, instead, he and Michelle Obama who said "when they go low we go high" went below 'low'. I am so disappointed by them. I thought he was very eloquent and she gracious, now they show their true color (pun intended).

Thank you for this cogent, coherent, rational and thought provoking conversation.

Heather McDonald is an absolute tour de force of the West’s virtues. Simply inspiring.

@bennym5244

2 жыл бұрын

When she says she is moving to the realms of conspiracy to explain why the country is destroying itself, I get very worried. When our best minds can't explain what is going on, then maybe there is a malicious subversive element at play.

Heather MacDonald's right to share information, that not all folks like, must be protected.

Please you two get back together as soon as possible. That was fantastic!

American culture as simply a history of racism is itself an ethnocentric perspective of Black Americans. Most Americans have been non-Black throughout history; in fact many geographic areas of the US have had little or no black presence, neither economic, cultural nor physical. 13 percent of the population does not define the culture as a whole. This should be obvious to everyone.....

@chrissolutions

3 жыл бұрын

Black were obtaining prosperity after WWII. Black wages grew faster than Whites from 1948 to 1969. This was a major threat to the Left and had to be reversed with the advent of Feminism and the promotion of Sexual Liberation.

@canteluna

3 жыл бұрын

@@chrissolutions A reader of Sowell. Good!

@canteluna

3 жыл бұрын

American history IS a history of racism. That said, it is mostly behind us. What is left is good old-fashioned bias, prejudice and xenophobia - which are impossible to eliminate completely. That said, the values of the American society are supposed to be Enlightenment values, based in reason, science and the sanctity of the individual (equality in opportunity and in the law). If we keep to those values as close as we can, we're on the right track. Perfection isn't possible, but trying to be decent and fair is.

@TheWhitehiker

3 жыл бұрын

@@canteluna US history as nothing but racism until recently is a gross over reach.

@canteluna

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheWhitehiker No it isn't. It is EMPIRICAL FACT. Slavery existed until 1865 and then there were Jim Crow laws and practices, arguably until the 1960s. We had red-lining even after that. LEARN HISTORY. FACTS MATTER. Simply contradicting me is not an argument.

These two people, represent most of us, regardless of ethnicity. The silence of the majority on these and many other issues, is why the country is crumbling before our very eyes. 😎

Hello, this was a well thought out podcast, with 2 super intelligent people, that tell it like it is. I always enjoy listening to both Prof. Loury and Heather Mac Donald.

Glen/Heather - Love, love, love you both. Been an admirer of Heather for a number of years, noticing her penchant for Truth and evidence and, her willingness to speak it out under duress of opposing the mainstream narrative, a heroine for sure. Hate to oversimplify but must as a foundation. BLM co-founder is seen on film in video conversation with a colleague saying of the group ideology, "we are trained Marxists." They are less interested in black lives as a genuine cause than they are in using them as a victim group to leverage guilt and blame and get contributions from white lead corporations, enrich themselves, and contribute to Democrat parties as the Dems are allies, and turn the country down the road to Socialism through outright revolution if needed, and to absolute destruction as we all are concerned about with good reason. Their great leap forward came with the Obama Admin, whom I believe has strong Marxist tendencies and worse, is an Islamophile to boot. Another group that the Democrat Party has allied with if you haven't noticed and the press has also turned a blind eye to the atrocities happening in Europe and around the globe by adherents to the Sharia', is Islam in our midst. Add in G Soros to the group and you have the orchestrating of chaos as we have all seen. To conclude this brief critique I'll sadly say the Democrat Party has become the enemy within and has powerful and dangerous allies in Islam, the Press, Hollywood, Academia and the cohorts of graduates over the last 30+ years, marinated, as Ms Heather exclaimed in a poisonous ideology. The job to hold onto freedom and our Constitution is going to be a terrible struggle. We have Truth on our side and hopefully God ( for us who believe there is a God). Either way, we all have to try and be involved in some small way to spread the Truth of the Goodness of America and the West, admitting flaws, but pressing the overall benefits to all mankind. I'm a 70 carpenter and hope I live to se the success of the redirecting of the West to its founding values. Very best to you both, you are very much appreciated.

Am I the only one here that has to refer to the dictionary a few times during the discussion?

@phwbooth

3 жыл бұрын

t's called 'Education', George.

@TheAnniegoo

3 жыл бұрын

I just had to look up trenchant!

This was too clever for me to take it all in, in one take. I will have to rewatch and take notes.. Glenn and Heather made so many many excellent points.

Thank you for the perspectives and information. Looking forward to another conversation.

About minute 50: Glenn said that there is something to the argument that presenting critics with your accomplishments is a good argument, Johann Goethe said: 'Against criticism one can neither protect nor defend oneself; one must act in spite of it, and gradually it will end.' ( _Gegen die Kritik kann man sich weder schützen noch wehren; man muß ihr zum Trutz handeln, und das läßt sie sich nach und nach gefallen._ ) That last phrase is difficult to put into smooth English. It could also mean something like, 'And at last time after time they like you.' Glenn is right. It's difficult, it even might not be fair, but it's also the way of the world. Many blacks have shown this way to be right. Listen to them.

13:09 important point...And I could’ve watched this for four hours...just great

Such a great conversation. An example of a people overcoming discrimination - the Irish in America and the U.K. overcame appalling discrimination.

@adele19b3

3 жыл бұрын

Not the same

Absolutely brilliant show and well worth a watch for anyone skimming the comments - Glenn is as stupendous as always and Heather I am going to watch more of!

Can we just have meritocracy. Honestly I don’t like the fact I am seeing more racism towards whites. I don’t really want to go down the identity politics thing but if this racism towards whites goes on them I am going to be forced to go down this route just to protect myself. It’s a dark future when you go away from meritocracy.

@neilconway8388

3 жыл бұрын

simply amen

@Frank-ce1rv

3 жыл бұрын

I hate having to say this.... but as a brown man. I completely agree with you. My family came to the west because it was the free world. Where anyone with the willingness to do the work could achieve anything. Now all of a sudden its become anything but.

@damonhage7451

3 жыл бұрын

Kantianism is the dominant philosophy in academia and there is no way to know what is objectively a merit according to that philosophy. If you want a meritocracy. You need to reject Immanuel Kant and endorse Ayn Rand.

@canteluna

3 жыл бұрын

No. Meritocracy primarily exists in the underclasses. The entire agenda of the wealthy is to maintain class privilege. The government would have to impose meritocracy on the citizens - mostly through inheritance taxes that would be so high they would cry "socialism". The upper class do not want meritocracy for themselves, only for the lower classes. It would be nice if a level playing field were possible but it isn't. Both the left and the right are against meritocracy.

@danesovic7585

3 жыл бұрын

Honestly, if only white people will practice meritocracy while everyone else gangs up based on racial lines then to hell with it.

"Pink" Floyd interred in a gold casket, like a Chicago mobster!

OMG GLenns has a great mic for this conversation! ;) ALways love listening to both of these wonderful thinkers.

Objectivity in the domain of human social conduct is surely achievable given honest scholarship. Glenn and Heather are gifts of intellectual clarity and truthfulness to a free America. To wit, "...the betrayal of the gate keepers..."!

Truly Open-minded race convos are so needed right now, so appreciate the video. In the last video on my channel, I go deep into discussing color blindness, & how it honors each's individual experiences/identity way more than the opposite of seeing color & assuming something from there about someone. I hope videos like ours inspire people to think critically about how they view the world

Love both of these people! And they have no clue who I am. Ha ha...

@danilopompey754

3 жыл бұрын

Glen, you ought to be ashamed of yourself. We have equal treatment before the law and if the rapist cannot get off because he raped a slut, then in George's case, the cop cannot get off just because George had a criminal record. That is the first point. Second, BLM is trying to hold cops accountable who murder unarmed citizens. Why? Because we can see with our own eyes who needs to be held accountable. Now, Glen, your objection to cops being held accountable is that some unknown person is not being held accountable for the murders they commit. Are you kidding? You first have to determine who did the murder, no? And whose jobs is that, Glen? Why, the f*cking cops! Glen, please, stop, drop and think, please. QED

@highneedforcognition9660

3 жыл бұрын

Extremely relatable... My long lost Dad and Mom up in here

@highneedforcognition9660

3 жыл бұрын

@@danilopompey754 the fact that you think you've seen everything you need to see to make such a damning judgment is simply terrifying. I'm so grateful we have a presumption of innocence and a right to a trial by jury of our peers in this country--your attitude would place us permanently back in Salem

@highneedforcognition9660

3 жыл бұрын

@@danilopompey754 have some respect please. We're past the mudslinging and getting into substantive discourse. What evidence do you have for the outrageous claim that black cops don't shoot whites? In officer involved fatalities, the race of the decedent does not predict the race of the officer according to a very recent paper by David Johnson. I also did not see evidence for your three to four times the rate claim. A 2017 paper by Roland Fryer shows no difference between blacks and whites likelihood of being killed by police after conditioning for rates of participation in crime.

@highneedforcognition9660

3 жыл бұрын

@@danilopompey754 wow dude. I hope you feel better about yourself now! At least 75% of the things you've said about me so far have been false. I'm not going to waste any time defending myself though since we're both just strangers on the internet. As for the substantive questions you've asked, I thought you were providing a damning judgment without sufficient evidence on the officers involved in the Breonna Taylor and/or George Floyd cases. If you weren't, this was a giant misunderstanding. It seems we both agree that no damning judgments have been made by either of us without sufficient evidence

A Hispanic teacher who taught the problem middle school kids told me how they didn't want to learn, because they were taught to reject anything created by the "white man". The numbers of graduating black kids are dreadful and as mentioned many times from many sources, blacks are given rated grades so that they can make entrance. This causes graduate numbers to be horrendous, because kids who would not have been able to get in, now get in and they simply do not have the knowledge or skills. Also, on the equity platform. This is very dangerous. For example, to be a fireman, the physical requirements had to be lowered because most women simply could not pass them. What happens then, is now men would not have been able to pass, can now pass. I have no doubt that there have been injuries and deaths because people who simply are not effective in the job failed. All of these agendas are sacrificing the lives and livelihoods of a great many people, simply for the sake of being "socially correct". Tragic.

Oh I could have listened to both of you for another hour!

What??? Only an hour!!!!???

@just_another32

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, I thought the same thing!

@cecilcharlesofficial

3 жыл бұрын

Glenn never goes over an hour, hahaha. His one flaw. I'm always like "the conversation is just getting good" and Glenn says, "Well, I have someplace to be." Such a goober.

The sad truth: 99% of black Americans cannot watch this video objectively.

@miamikaos5958

3 жыл бұрын

Repping the 1%.

@Soul-my1sk

3 жыл бұрын

I love being proven wrong! Glad you are here @miami kaos

@canteluna

3 жыл бұрын

That is clearly wrong since black Trump voters are several percentage points, not one. Also there are plenty of common sense black liberals and conservatives who don't follow politics as closely as we do here.

Man, Glenn is a powerhouse! I need someone like him in my life!

Absolutely stellar! But I'm saddened by their bleak assessment of the outcome of the coming election.

Glen and Heather if you ever read this how can it be allowed that Asians are discriminated in US college admissions. This to me is pure racism and I’m not Asian. But clearly it’s not the culmination of judge a man not by the color of his skin but by the content of his character.

On CBS This Morning today,Gayle King said that Magic Johnson said due to George Floyd and Jacob Blake events he feels a little fear whenever he sees a police officer. I assume that is real, but he would be more likely to be killed by lightning. What to do?

@amorfati4927

3 жыл бұрын

That is the tough conversation. The feeling that some people are feeling ARE real. However, how much of it is unfounded in reality and are irrelevant in comparison to other things? Like example lightning (like you said), if I remember right is maybe 3 times more likely by the stats to kill someone than the cops. What measures should be taken to stop something is much more deadly by the stats then the police? Who is to decide what is or should be more important when it comes to saving life than the others? Like Heather rambled off just a few black children that died to violence. Those numbers will magnitudes higher outnumber blacks killed by cops. Who is the arbiter of that not being more important or more needing to be prevented than cops killing black people (which again, most are not innocent in the least bit not that it justifies)? Just alone by that 1 minute of a Heather shouldn’t Magic have more fear of his children dying than himself by cops? This applies to to all current topics like COVID as well. In 2017, 647,457 people in America died of heart disease. Yet there is no daily counter on something that will far exceed COVID deaths. Unless someone has heart disease, no one is worried about heart disease. Definitely nowhere in the realm of fear of COVID. Who is to decide what should have a ticker every time someone dies of something yet not the other? A million questions can be asked. The easy answer is fear created by certain people. People have a right to fear. Fear is usually justified. However, what amount of fear in any certain situation is a measured amount of fear compared to the subject at hand. Most of the time the fear far outweighs the subject or situation at hand. The things that should truly be feared people tend to have no fear of at all.

@workhorse7134

3 жыл бұрын

@@amorfati4927 we need to reign in the mainstream media. We need laws that hold them accountable for pushing lies and misinformation. One current example is how they are lying about b lack unarmed deaths by cops and this has led to widescale riots and deaths. Until we can start holding the media accountable for their criminal propoganda we cannot fix this problem.

@emilyk.5664

3 жыл бұрын

@@workhorse7134 I agree - I just don't know how you hold media accountable for being complicit in CRT and propaganda (new york times is a huge perpetrator) when it's important to also preserve freedom of the press. Blatant hatred toward Trump does not make for unbiased journalism. It's a tough problem.

Good combination! Saw the guest and I couldn't click fast enough!

Both of these brave academicians know that their own futures, perhaps their very lives, are on the line. I admire them both immensely. Professor Loury’s disbelieving fear was palpable and deeply disturbing. Thank goodness I have more hope than they do.

Heather is a national treasure.

@onceagain6184

Жыл бұрын

You must be a comedian

56:05 Glenn on Biden rapprochement Oh sure. That, or civilian insurgency.

How can you not love Glenn? How is it even possible?

@bettinabarr9107

2 жыл бұрын

His discussions with John McWhorter almost single handedly changed my views on racial issues in America.

WOW! Talking with pausing so the other person can make their point and not talking over each other. Is this what respectful dialogue looks like?

So we're doomed...

@workhorse7134

3 жыл бұрын

Pretty much unless we get a succession of Trumpian presidencies. Unfortunately the Trump admin have only recently started getting up to speed on the culture. Trump went for the economy, because that's what he excels at but his admin should have been far more aggressive in dealing with the culture. To be fair he has been under constant attack by the Democrats and the deep state so its understandable that his admin have had to play defence so much while still rebuilding America, that they've not paid enough attention to the leftist takeover of all the institutions.

Lol. Glenn obviously has an opinion about Candace Owens but wants to stay classy and not speak ill of her, which I respect. However, I am curious what he would say. Though, I think I already know. She's brave and dedicated, but she's deep in the conservative politics and plays many of the same games as the left.

@mrbattowel

3 жыл бұрын

I suspect he would urge her to increase her academic rigor, but your assessment is correct.

@danilopompey754

3 жыл бұрын

@@mrbattowel, r you kidding? Glen is brain dead on this issue. [Glen, you ought to be ashamed of yourself. We have equal treatment before the law and if the rapist cannot get off because he raped a slut, then in George's case, the cop cannot get off just because George had a criminal record. That is the first point. Second, BLM is trying to hold cops accountable who murder unarmed citizens. Why? Because we can see with our own eyes who needs to be held accountable. Now, Glen, your objection to cops being held accountable is that some unknown person is not being held accountable for the murders they commit. Are you kidding? You first have to determine who did the murder, no? And whose jobs is that, Glen? Why, the f*cking cops! Glen, please, stop, drop and think, please. QED]

Good conversation. I never watch TV. There are many good podcasts.

Bravo, Bravo. They are 2 of my favorites. Great, honest debate!! Sad times but this is helpful.

Surprised that Heather is so sure of a Biden Victory. I wish Glen had brought up the Black support for Trump in 2020. That measure will be key as to whether Biden or Trump will be sworn in on January 20th.

The mistake of Heather is to assume that the gap can be closed by dint of sheer hard work. The underlying problem is due to cognitive differences, in particular, differences in executive function and impulse control. The difficulty is society has up until now not found a way to alter these outcomes in people en masse. This has resulted in the left hiding behind structural racism and the right saying you just need to try harder. The poor outcomes for blacks is caused by their poor metabolic and immune health especially during preconception. Addressing this would result in significant cognitive gains leading to improved executive function and impulse control which are essential for academic attainment and deferring pleasure and marital relationships. For blacks to succeed they will need leaders within the community to be exemplars of good metabolic and immune health and to declare its importance as well as providing guidance on how it can be achieved.

Early in this discussion Glenn and Heather were talking about something and I thought to myself: I'm white, conservative, Republican, NRA supporter, etc., etc., etc. But you know what? I just love R & B music. You know why? IT'S GOOD!!!!!!!! I just finished listening to Anita Baker. Wow, what a lovely lady with a beautiful voice. Have a nice day.

One of the best and most honest discussions I've seen in a long time, about race relations.

Thankful for both of you.

Hello from Canada. This conversation is intelligent, subtle and real.

Abysmal subject matter conveyed by two exceptional humans! Love you both!

Glenn: Thank you for your objectivity and leadership to all Americans.

I'm a huge fan of Glenn and Heather. This is wonderful! Subbed.

Kudos to Glenn Loury and Heather Mac Donald for having this conversation. High points for me were Mr. Loury's Obama "should have been" speech, and Ms. Mac Donald's making me look up the word perspicacity. :)

I love what you do! These are necessary conversations. I know we want "experts" to give their point of view, and I love this, but I really think an interview or two with an average person may help not only intellectuals, but it could help many others see views that the academy may not. Please consider interviews outside the intelligentsia.

Wonderful and honest conversation. These two certainly pass the Would-love-to-have-them-around-for-dinner test.

Loved this conversation!

Thank you, God, for sane people.

I have a lot of respect for heather macdonald after watching some of these talks with Glenn.

Great n necessesary discussion! Fan of bothe of you!

Say, I like this fellow! Very rational and intelligent discourse.

I would love to have Heather and Amy together.

Oh snap! Call a spade and spade!!! Love this!

Writing ✍🏼 in 2023, Heather called it.

That was fascinating thank you.

Was this actually streamed today? I feel like I watched this last month...

Fantasic discussion Glenn and Heather.😁

Would love to hear Heather's thoughts on Daniel Deronda, a George Eliot novel that dealt with antisemitism as well as the Trollope novel.

This is really the greatest immediate existential threat we are facing right now. If this continues to escalate... Things could get really ugly. Anyone familiar with 20th century history knows where this ends. I hope it's not too late, more people need to stand up like Glenn Loury and Heather Mac Donald, as well as others such as Gad Saad, James Lindsay, Peter Boghossian, and Helen Pluckrose.

What a great conversation

Intellectual titans here for our enjoyment!

What a spectacular intellect! And you don’t even need to know who I am referring to because it fits both of them.

56:37 I doubt it.

An admirable conversation. Thank you. Professor MacDonald, I have seen and heard you on several occasions. Brilliant and consoling to me. However, my issue is with Feminism. I am a 75 yo retired M.D. and a man of color. I have attended private schools since the age of 12. My M.D. degrees was obtained from Stanford University as was my A.B. I don't come from wealth but most of my family have been college graduates for a couple generations. Tucker Carlson is fond of saying there is no "systemic racism". I beg to differ. Several male relatives of mine have been harassed by police. One (a son) almost beaten to death by police in Santa Cruz CA on a phone call from a girlfriend he was leaving (who had a drug record). He was unarmed and was assailed by several heavily armed officers with dogs. The woman was not touched. A cousin of mine was choked almost to death by "skin-head" fellow soldiers while stationed overseas. He has permanent brain damage. I could go on. In the early 1950's I attended segregated schools in New York City. All of my college work was done in California. I have had my grades unfairly lowered by teachers (yes, women too) at UCLA and Stanford. Administration would do nothing to correct this. I been denied housing in the areas around the schools I attended. Many fellow students were insulting (incl. Jewish students) at both schools. The California Medical Board has attacked me,based on slander, at least six times. Recently they suspended my license to practice for three years on no evidence. I was not sued and no patient claimed I harmed them. To do this they had to violate several California and Federal laws. See my Writ of Mandate. I tried to appeal to the Superior Court of California; unsuccessfully. For details see Public

29:10 - 29:30 I’m officially a fan of Heather 🙌🏽🙌🏽

The issue of delayed gratification is misleading. Poor people don't have that luxury.