What an amazing video yo go back and watch today...what with all the recent insanity of frame failures. James was way ahead of the curve!

Lippert, the first word in RV heartaches.

@AZExpert

3 жыл бұрын

I can agree with you completely.

@vmxg8052

2 жыл бұрын

To be fair to Lippert, they just make the frame according to what's specced to them. They don't know the load it is to carry.

I am always so impressed with your amazing restoration techniques! Thank you so much for sharing!

@AZExpert

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much!

@mitchellbarnow1709

3 жыл бұрын

@@AZExpert You are very welcome!

Thank you for your videos, it really helps us as a new RV buyer to understand the long term commitment required in maintaining and caring for our unit. I look forward to more of your videos, especially if you want to discuss a Nexus Wraith.

@AZExpert

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Man I thought it was a goner. I truly wish I had a guy like u near me! To be able to leave me rig with a professional and not worry... what wouldn’t I pay for that service. Excellent work guys. That’s amazing 👍😂😂😂

@AZExpert

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much. I have to believe there are good shops everywhere in the country. I know I watched a youtuber take his Cedar Creek to an Amish Shop that put my abilities to shame I felt.

Come on give it a thumbs up and comment so his stats go up he deserves it.

@loriw2661

3 жыл бұрын

OK!!

@AZExpert

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much, comments and thumbs up do help.

Interesting. Thanks for the video James. Happy trails!

Great job Chad. You can definitely think outside of the box. I am highly impressed. I had a fifth wheel where the frame of the king pin TORE.

@AZExpert

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Thank you. I am more than happy with our goose neck toy hauler. I looked at 5th wheel and goose neck frames before I bought one.

@AZExpert

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

I wished you guys were in WI. I have a 2020 RhinoBox 5th wheel frame from a Forest River product (Lippert Frame) that there is some major issues going one. There is definitely a lot of flexing happening on the non-door side of the upper 5th wheel frame, much in the same spot as this one what happening. There is enough damage now that the slide-out, above curve down the front of the camper, has totally collapsed on the inside of the camper so that it's touching the floor and the bottom is sticking out about 2 to 3 inches on the exterior of the camper. Now in the upper right hand of the slide-out, there is an exterior crack in the fiberglass and on the inside of the wall, there is a crack in the wood paneling. On the exterior left side of the slide-out, the fiberglass seam has totally separated much like it did on the camper in this video. If you'd like to send Chad (your welder) up to near the Green Bay area in WI, I have a job for him! I am only kidding as I know it's too far for him to travel. After seeing this video, it gives me hope that the camper can be fixed. It's just going to be a matter of how soon can my local RV dealer can get the necessary parts to fix it and get a welder that is willing to give a blessing on that the trailer can tow after he is able to fix it. Chad did an awesome job. I would have like to seen the end result of a job like this to a camper that the owner wanted the sidewalls to look like new again.

@AZExpert

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! :)

I have seen that type of damage on other rv's. Its called too thin of metal. I do not like 5th wheels today. Stop blaming it on maintenance. It was manufactured cheaply by specification by the company that ordered the frames. No one tested the metal used, no quality control. Lousy work.

@AZExpert

3 жыл бұрын

I won't disagree with anything you said.

@eliinthewolverinestate6729

2 жыл бұрын

Light weight trailer frames smh. Farmers around me swear by the goose neck frames. The suspension are better too with real leaf springs and shocks.

@gmailcgs

Жыл бұрын

The undersides of these travel trailers Looks Like they used bed frame angle iron to slap them together. Doesn't surprise me at all when welds break apart.

@nathanurick8320

Жыл бұрын

100% agree and I’ve seen this exact problem on $175,000.00 DRV MOBILE SUITS so it’s the material and sorry cheap craftsmanship. Everyone of the frames are made by Lippert and it’s nothing but cheap China steel.

I have seen a few of these also. It was a carnival and they were pulling their 5th wheel campers with semi tractors. The tractor suspensions were too stiff and that's what was damaging the front ends of the campers.

@AZExpert

3 жыл бұрын

I believe it. I think every 5th wheel I've watched hook or unhook seems to have some movement on it.

@hillbillyrv

3 жыл бұрын

@@AZExpert You can't make something like this too rigid. It has to flex some, but not too much, otherwise it could look like the one in the video.

@jimmyerbe768

4 ай бұрын

That’s a story someone made up , although it’s true that they break also from pulling them with tractors that’s not the reason. The culprit is bad steel, imported steel, or something in the steel process I couldn’t tell you, but you would need a class action suit because there’s going to be thousands of these things and they’re gonna keep breaking after welded just in a different spot. Could be an inch away from the New weld or it could be above the axles or slides, but it’s gonna keep on happening.

Thanks James. Friggen interesting to watch. I guess this was Chad’s project and you made a video of it. Thanks for this. And, oh by the way, great work Chad.

@AZExpert

3 жыл бұрын

Yes this was all Chad's project, I was mostly a cheerleader!

Thanks for the video. I have a '13 Heartland Bighorn 39' that is showing a large exterior wall crack up front, most assuredly from the same issue.

@Lauren-vd4qe

2 жыл бұрын

what did u do about it

If your Aluminum if & where poss run counter or other way to steel components it flexes more easily the other direction, east west vs north south or diagonally so. Plus bc prt way solid tub at every key connection pnt 6" or 1ft tub inside hole form fitting tub u get the greatest poss strength to weight & completely diff effect/reaction under driving loads again all about protecting master main beams u jump off/start the build, all to keep it light as hell.

The seam he is talking about is an EWS, electrically welded seam from the steel producer. Thin steel tubing like shown will deteriorate over time due to flexing.

@AZExpert

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! :)

Great job guys, Just proves two awesome RV mechanics, some cash and anything can be fixed. LOL

@AZExpert

3 жыл бұрын

I have given up on a number of repairs, but thank you!!!

A friend had a Big Horn that did the same thing, I told him he had a problem, we saw things moving way too much and he kind of thought I was crazy until he went to unhook !!

@AZExpert

3 жыл бұрын

it's crazy how common this seems to be

My first thought about seeing welding is so much of the material is flammable! You sure assumed a lot of liability doing that work. Hope you oritected yourself in writing, even then they could come after you.

I would stay away for structural repair, to much liability ! If it ever comes apart going down the road it could come back and bite you .

@AZExpert

3 жыл бұрын

That was our concern too. Hence the "speaking with the owner"

Many many years ago I worked with structure engineers designing conveyors. On thing I did learn that you can tell Chad about. The angle that was at 7:02 and welded in, would be much stronger if rotated 180 degrees to form a tube or 90 degrees to form a channel. It seems counter intuitive to turn 90 degrees, but it would be stronger. Respectfully, Kevin

@AZExpert

3 жыл бұрын

I appreciate that, unfortunately we had to work with the clearance for the aluminum wall that goes over it and even that angle kept it from sitting flush.

@KevinCoop1

3 жыл бұрын

AZ Expert Maybe next time. 😊👍

I think it will work for a wile. Looks stronger than it was. Repair was a good job

@AZExpert

3 жыл бұрын

Awhile is the goal! ;)

That’s very impressive , you guys have an incredible knack of turning chicken 💩 into chicken salad . Nice job guys. Once again impressed .

@AZExpert

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed it!

Well this was eye opening! Let me guess, Lippert frame? If yes it’s not the first. Doesn’t appear to be enough rust to have caused this damage. But the weld split is concerning. Possible China steel. Could this be an insurance claim??

@AZExpert

3 жыл бұрын

I would guess Lippert too. This was not an insurance claim.

I do welding repair work for a friend that does RV repair. It is amazing at the repairs that need to be performed on some of these frames. A little more bracing from the frame manufacturers and a better welding program should be required.

@genehart261

2 жыл бұрын

Why? When they can sell all the junk that they can push out the door?

@AZExpert

2 жыл бұрын

I agree! Thanks for watching! :)

If he was driving on the Mexico roads, that's what broke all those welds, I'm sure the wood structure helps support the metal structure, when that all fell apart it didn't help.

You are the MacGyver of the RV world

@AZExpert

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!!!

As an ASU alumni who's been to Rocky Point many times it looks like they may have towed it through the sand without deflating the tires which could cause an immense amount of stress on the frame...especially if they got stuck and needed one of the locals to pull them out. Those guys are not gentle on vehicles.

@AZExpert

3 жыл бұрын

that's definitely I possibility

looks like you all did a good job

@AZExpert

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! :)

Engineering issue. Frame isn't designed to exceed the weights that are being used. You don't see semi trailer failing yet RV frames sure you see the fail all the time. This is the reason I bought a medium duty class A gas rig.

That looks pretty light duty before you started the gusseting

@AZExpert

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! :)

Partial closing of both ends of the frame memeber with the failed weld should prevent this failure from occurring on all other unit with this frame. The steel is as thin as possible to save weight. The open end allow too much flex, thus eventual failure. Its important not to fully enclose any box tubing to avoid trapping moisture and sweat. Welding of this nature is best left to a professional as not to damage or weaken the frame by overheating this thin steel. The smallest frame failure must be fixed to avoid a cascade of failures as other welds and segments fail under added strain. The last thing you want is to see your towable literally ripping apart in your rear view mirror on the freeway. In such a situation the best case scenario is a flatbed trailer hauling your RV away. Worst case is injury or death due to an accident. Crossing ones fingers hoping to make it to the next destination is a gamble to far. Dont risk it. A compromised frame means the RV is not roadworthy. Thus it is illegal to travel. Besides the consequences are not worth the risk. An insurer may refuse to pay damages if the RV was known to not be roadworthy.

Another awesome video...lots to be learned here....thank you.

@AZExpert

3 жыл бұрын

Glad to hear it!

Thanks for the review Happy Trails

@AZExpert

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, you too!

Original welds on that RV looks like bird poop.

@AZExpert

2 жыл бұрын

Quality construction lol

As a long time RVer there is something to be said about a nice hotel !!!

@AZExpert

2 жыл бұрын

I still like RVs lol

Being a truck driver for almost 30 yrs I see people traveling down the road 70,75, even probably 80 miles an hour towing and RV. That poor RV is bouncing around like crazy! And people wonder, "why did my RV frame bend, or crack, or even break! Not saying that's the case here, just my observation! Also, I own an RV. Proper maintenance is important.. Yes, even inspecting & repairing & painting the frame is maintenance, especially in cold climates or living on the coast. #my2cents

@AZExpert

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Nice repair Chad, Mine is a 42'Heartland 5'r Hopefully mine does not suffer the same! If it does? Ill refer back to this vid :) James, thanks for the up!

@AZExpert

3 жыл бұрын

I think you should be fine as long as you don't abuse it. Thanks!

In my humble opinion, I believe the design and materials used were the issues why the frame was fatigued and cracked. The dynamic pressures that the frame is being exposed to are just an accident waiting to happen with this design. If they were designed after the gooseneck equipment trailers, this problem would go away. I do not have an engineering degree, just hands-on experience with trailers and fabrication.

@AZExpert

Жыл бұрын

The frame manufacturer states the frame is engineered to handle the specs and if the frame fails, the specs were exceeded. It's nonsense, but when the first question asked about RVs is price, and the second is "are you sure? that's way too much." So customers are demanding cheap over durable.

@bobber55

Жыл бұрын

@@AZExpert Yes, nonsense especially when everything is outfitted with living quarters. Unlike a gooseneck equipment trailer they can easily be overloaded and you don't see failures like you do on these RV fifth wheels. I truly believe the culprit is dynamic impact. They could build one of these trailers like they have been and if it sat it's entire life on the showroom floor it be okay but the minute you start exposing these frames to dynamic impacts that's where the failures will start happening little by little until it gets to the stage like what's in your video or worse. I understand what you're saying though about the consumer is a pennywise dollar foolish. But these potential buyers of these fifth wheel RVs if they would just see videos that you and others have on about the fifth wheel literally being torn apart from the rest of the trailer it would change their mind.

@AZExpert

Жыл бұрын

This frame failure was not an issue until Lippert went to a thin wall tubing. It's really crazy what the industry gets away with.

Nore do they hve round aluminum beam the painted so no rust, even if double or triple painted. Then 1 square beam for main strength & round beam to help control & absorb flex & stress but break early on when running thru frame prts or/ & along down the side under the rig. If u r getting bending & breaking on aluminum, u need more steel extra welds & gussets by u r fixing whole frame members. Not need to feed new round bar.

Have you ever come across front frame problems on Carriage Cameo's? I have a 2011 Cameo 37 RESLS and notice the kingpin moves up a bit (1 inch or so) when I hitch up. Some movement (flex) is expected but what amount is a potential problem?

If we keep seeing square tub fail it is not holding up current use/loads. So square tubing must u cut/used not square by made 2 rectangles back to back equals 1 old square beam.

Not being a structural engineer, l'm of the opinion that the steel is undersized for the dynamic loads imposed.

Nice fix. I know 1 yr old but I subscribe to your channel and I’m catching up. But I have done framing problems search in a Lotta chassis videos popped up. Think the name is Leeper chassis. What you just fixed and the fifth wheel box where it mounts to the chassis. One video showed if it wasn’t connected to the truck and then the trailer drops on to the back of the bed. When he showed the video the gooseneck separated from its chassis mount. The one welder that showed up pointed out what the problem is. They use the same thickness of steel throughout the whole chassis. And they put the supports in but the steel is too thin for the three stress points. He says yes you’re going to have movement but think of it this way. You take a thin piece of metal and flex it. It’s gonna break. Now take a thicker piece of steel and flex it. It’s gonna break. The question is when do you want it to break in three years or in 15 years. And like I’ve always said in my comments to your videos it always comes back to how long is the warranty. Hey keep using the cheaper steel it cost less and if it gets us past the warranty. It’s the customers problem. This one gentleman wrote to the transit company and their excuse was you had your trailer overloaded or you did some thing you weren’t supposed to do.

@AZExpert

2 жыл бұрын

You have all weekend to binge! Thanks for watching! :)

That box should have been installed with the weld seem to the back not front. When the rig is picked up by the 5th wheel connection it puts a pull on the front of the box and compression on the back of the box.. If it was installed with the weld seem to the back it would not have split that way, the other welds may have failed but they probably failed from the seem opening up.

@AZExpert

3 жыл бұрын

I'm sure there were many more broken welds we couldn't see. I feel like the majority failure was due to the sidewall to frame failure, but it seems like the frame is the one thing we should count on being engineered well.

The steal & aluminum will quickly tell u over 5-10yrs of use where u need extra tub or extra retangle square stock or gof forbid diagonal or gusset sheet sheet add to frame welds. If still seeing main weld members breaking u need 2nd counter tub drill thru or u r under sizing the members.

That's why you need a air pin box an air bags on the truck, better for the frame.

Nice work. Very informative.

@AZExpert

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Chad: I’m gonna weld and gusset all theses areas. Me: I just wanna see what the roof looks like?

Is it even worth it to fix that thing I mean the walls of the laminating what’s the year on the coach? What was the cost to repair? And what’s the warranty on the repair

Amazing to me some of the frames on large rigs seem to be really thin wall, like 1/8, apparently mild steel. I guess makers are shooting for a price point, and low weight.

Maybe the frame design didn't take into account the weakening caused by the slide out. It may be relying on the side wall.

If side by side by side long ways back to back is 1/16 or 1/8th of an inch lower to shares lesser vertical load by diff flex load the way u want it not all lined up.

Excellent work as always. Quick question for you. I noticed on several of the roofing replacements that the sewer pipe area is flush level .Do you cut that on purpose to make the decking work faster? If so, what do you do to restore it back after the new deck is on?

@AZExpert

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, we cut the pipes flush most of the time to aid in decking and roof installation. It's just 1 1/2" ABS so a union glues the cut section back on afterward. Thanks!

Is that a Lippert Frame?

If I were to guess it there way to much weight in trailer and big bump cracked 5th wheel section.

High quality stuff there😂

These camper companies just send the specks to the frame company which is probably Lippert Industry who makes frames and axels but Lippert does not engineer the frames the camper company does but if they would just double the thickness of all the steel they would not do this but the speck this stuff out. Did you see the piece of steel boxing it was so thin almost paper thin.

In any other transportation industry there would be a hue and cry by the gov't to have these things inspected for compliance with metallurgy, weld penetration and assembly standards. We're sharing the highways with these pieces of rolling junk. They routinely travel in the 60mph and above speeds. If these were commercial trailers .........

Big Horn - Big Problems ? Corrosion in a dry climate ? 😢

I hope he’s not using MIG. Not many people know that MIG cannot be used outside because of the moving air mass blows the shielding gas away from the weld puddle causing the weld to become porous.

@AZExpert

3 жыл бұрын

I suppose that is true if it's windy, most welders will adjust to the environment by adjusting flow or blocking the wind. Thanks!

How many of these trailers have been way overloaded, towed at excessive speed, to fast down bad roads? Or all of the above? When i spent last winter in Quartzite I saw so many rigs obviously overloaded by what they unpacked, and some with Hitchs pulling trailers behind them with cars, trucks and boats in double configuration just because you can doesn't mean it's safe or you can do it! When I was working my way west through Tennessee I40 was worse than NYC with potholes but people towing campers were passing me at 20+ mph over the speed limit! And they blame the camper when the tires blow out or they cracked the frame. Yes some campers have QC issues that's another reason to take caution and not drive like it's a purpose built off-road vehicle.

Im no structural engineer but this unit appears to me not to b suitable for regular towing in the future. I wd repair it, then tow it carefully to a permanent location, attach full hookups and skirt it, and use it as a permanent residence to be sold as is.

@AZExpert

2 жыл бұрын

IT will be ok

184: when ever u do body work they drill holes every 3" then spot weld but in frame work they never bother equivalent.

AZ expert - what do u think about the new truck campers from Artic foxes 🦊 1150 have a 2020

Why anyone would sink more cash into this thing... Stress fractures are gonna be found all throughout the frame Id imagine. Looks like a good patch tho. Good job!

@AZExpert

3 жыл бұрын

Even a bad condition 5th wheel will cost more than this repair.

Well done Chad!!! This looked like a lost cause intially.

@AZExpert

3 жыл бұрын

I know I didn't want to do it! :)

Looks like it took an abnormally hard impact somewhere along the way. Maybe going over really rough off-road holes and big rocks.

@AZExpert

3 жыл бұрын

It definitely could be for sure

@user-bj4lp3fr1o

8 ай бұрын

Most likely a bad frame. Lot of stories about bad frames on YT

Should be strong enough to tow a short distance to the junkyard. Lol.

@AZExpert

3 жыл бұрын

lol

@billkrill4656

3 жыл бұрын

That’s good!!!

Did you give any feedback to Lippert? Maybe they got a bad batch of steel. Agreed on what others said about the thin gauge and the seam placed the wrong way.

@AZExpert

3 жыл бұрын

No, they are not interested, they can't even troubleshoot their own leveling systems.

Great Video and Repair!! Who do you think makes the top three 5th wheel frame's?

@AZExpert

3 жыл бұрын

Up until recently I would have said Carriage, now most by "off the shelf" chassis so I couldn't say.

Heartland is responsible since it is from their own specifications that Lippert or some other frame manufacturer built your 5th wheel trailer's frame... That builder should've advised Heartland about the threshhold limitations of those actual specs and not just take the business without any professional recommendations against those inadequate specs... But since they may not know, most of the time how their frames may be used, it is incumbant on the trailer mfr to not exceed the carry capacity of these designs...

Good job Chad!

@AZExpert

3 жыл бұрын

Great job Chad!!

I have noticed most rv left unattended will be ruined in a short time. I have seen several motorhomes with low mileage and the undercarriage covered with rust. Should I walk away from buying or can they be restored?

@AZExpert

2 жыл бұрын

If it's been sitting that long? walk away

RVs are very temporary vehicles, aren’t they?

Seam split in the box section,I think a similar thing happened years ago in a hotel three walkways collapsed killing quite a few people

@AZExpert

3 жыл бұрын

That's scary to think of.

AND....people are lined up to buy RV's knowing the manufacturing is Junk.

@AZExpert

Жыл бұрын

Yep

Man you guys do some good work on shit products I know you can't say it so I will lol but hea it keeps you in work

Cool work. Problem solving.

@AZExpert

3 жыл бұрын

so far, so good!

heartland BOUGHT the frame and built a rv on it . heartland is 100% responsible. I seen shitty failed welds causing the lightest possible cheapest steel they could get.

@AZExpert

3 жыл бұрын

I agree!

Can you tell me how much snow load can a heartland landmark fifth wheel take? I’m keeping it in a very snowy area of canada during the winter and wonder how strong the roof is?

@AZExpert

3 жыл бұрын

I would contact the manufacturer. I would say keep the roof as clean as you can, they cannot handle much. also allowing ice to build up could cause leaks just like a residential home.

Just curious was he using a fifth wheel hitch or a goose neck conversion.

@AZExpert

3 жыл бұрын

good question, I don't know if he had used one.

Must have been WAY to much partying in that trailer while in Mexico!

@AZExpert

3 жыл бұрын

impossible to party too much

@michaelfowler8174

3 жыл бұрын

@@AZExpert lol 👍

We have a 2018 keystone hideout fifth wheel and the front beam ripped in two lippert frames are junk

@AZExpert

3 жыл бұрын

That's crazy, what did the factory do?

I don't remember if it is this fifth wheel or a different one, but Lippert denied the claim stating that the owner welded a 2" receiver hitch to the "REAR" of the frame, and this somehow caused the vertical "H" frame members at the "FRONT" of the frame to snap in half. DRV "Elite Suites" broken frame: kzread.info/dash/bejne/gYVkzcSkqa7gpJc.html

1st guess is that this is a frame made my Lippert (LCI).

@AZExpert

3 жыл бұрын

that is my guess too

Very simple problem, 3/16 material used instead of 1/4. This is a simple problem of companies trying to cheap out on the product make a few bucks.

@AZExpert

3 жыл бұрын

They will always chose the cheaper material until punished for doing so.

I PURCHASED A 2008 HEARTLAND 3712 MODEL 41 FT. TOY HAULER TRIPLE AXLE. IN 2012 . IT HAS BEEN IN STORAGE UNTIL A YEAR AGO. IT IS SIMILAR TO THIS ONE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THREE AXLES, 10 X 12 GARAGE IN REAR, AND GOOSE NECK ADAPTER. QUESTIONS: A) MY JACKS DO NOT GO HIGH ENOUGH TO CLEAR MY TOOL BOX IN REAR OF MY FORD 350 8 FT. BED. THE BOX IS LOWER THAN TAIL GATE. I GENERALLY HAVE TO MANUALLY CRANK ALONG WITH ELECTRIC JACK. "IS THERE A SOLUTION ? B) IF I COULD RAISE THE GOOSENECK; I.E. ANDERSON ADAPTER THIS WOULD CORRECT THE ISSUE; HOWEVER, I HEAR THAT MAY PUT TENSION OF FRAME??? I ENJOY YOUR INSTRUCTIVE VIDEOS AND YOUR METHOD OF PRODUCTION. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK. OH ONE MORE THING C) I PLAN TO INSTALL AN ALL ALUMINUM ROOF LIKE A COMMERCIAL TRAILER AND OR AIRSTREAMS. BY QUESTION IS SHOULD I REINSTALL MY THREE VENTS??? I WANT THIS TO BE A LIFE TIME ROOF. LIKE AN AIRSTREAM.

@AZExpert

3 жыл бұрын

I'd be interested in seeing the metal roof when you're done.

@22howards

3 жыл бұрын

Why are you yelling? (All caps)

The roads in America are basically too damaged for today's 5th wheel RV's. Today's rv's aren't capable or built strong enough. I'm an over the road truck driver, 25 years. Our trucks get hammered and they are built much stronger, frames on these RV's are junk.

The warranty says no off road driving or through construction so don’t drive out of the driveway 😂

Reinforcement will ultimately transfer a load to the next weakest weld, and more cracking will occur. A chassis has to be uniform strength to withstand the forces and loads such as this. Unknown to all is was ot overloaded? Awkward driving, such as ditches and curbs put excessive strain where it's not supposed to be. I'd expect this to be salvage or scrap. Welders can fix just about anything.

Use quarter inch Chanel steel with a deeper chanel

How much would a repair like this cost?

@AZExpert

3 жыл бұрын

I never asked Chad, I'd guess $1000-1500

That got a few broken welds . What a mess

@AZExpert

3 жыл бұрын

I didn't even show half of them. It was crazy

@christopherrasmussen8718

3 жыл бұрын

@@AZExpert I bet. I’m sorry but I doubt I ever will buy anything post 2005. Anyway Im spoiled. Wanderlodge. Roll over , set up and drive . At least in one a case I’m aware of. That rig was totaled but it really did drive away to the shop.

Did you say the year of this unit? I missed it.

@AZExpert

3 жыл бұрын

I think it was a 2006

Heartland designs the chassis and Lippert builds it to Heartlands specs

@AZExpert

Жыл бұрын

yeah that's the excuse, but it didn't happen until Lippert made the frames

I am really shocked at the quality of the build. The money the RV gets is not equal to the quality

@AZExpert

3 жыл бұрын

I was shocked too.

I would think the liability would be to much on a job like this. If something breaks while going down the highway then lawyers will be involved and they'll find out who made the repairs. I wouldn't have touched it.

@AZExpert

3 жыл бұрын

If I thought that way, No one would get any help. That's what insurance is for.

Someone needs to start a class action. This problem with stay with these traitors FOREVER. Need to investigate where their steel came from as the problem is in the steel. There’s many things that can go wrong with producing steel for these frames that you could read a whole book on and not understand all of it.. but number one is who was the supplier of the steel and where did it orient from ? Was it from overseas if it was there is a high probability that it does not even come close to the quality of US steel , problems can arise from the amount of recycled steel , All the way through the manufacturing process to the end treatment of the steel. Leopard nose what the problem is they are just not opening themselves up to litigation.. These frames are only going to keep cracking in different stress areas until they’re gone.

Keep throwing steel at it until it stops moving

@AZExpert

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This works in many applications