Warsong commander just had to read “your minions with 3 attack or less of charge” so if the minion rose above 3 attack it’d instantly lose charge; that way you can’t gimmick it.

@superbeta1716

2 жыл бұрын

It was still really strong with patrons, you could kill your opponent with patrons alone but it was a hard deck to pilot

@Nyghtking

2 жыл бұрын

@@superbeta1716 Yup, i'm pretty sure everyone knew that was the issue, just that combo, so everyone realized the solution would just be to make it so only minions with 2 or less power had charge and it wouldn't apply to grim patron anymore, what they did with the card was something no one expected and pretty much everyone thought it wasn't a good nerf.

@basilemasingue2459

2 жыл бұрын

Could Also increase grim patron attack and Make it a 4/3, don't think the card would have been too strong

@Serphentin

2 жыл бұрын

@@basilemasingue2459 Grim Patron with no warsong commander was still a legitimate deck after the nerf. Giving them an extra attack would've been huge.

@TarlukLegion

2 жыл бұрын

Or just making it so that it only affected minions that had 2 attack or less. But no, just nuke the entire card into oblivion for Grim Patron's sins.

Undertaker going from: "Whenever you summon a minion with Deathrattle, gain +1/+1." -> "Whenever you summon a minion with Deathrattle, gain 1 attack.". Deserved but went from op to garbage.

@Nyghtking

2 жыл бұрын

Can't really blame them for that, gaining that +1 health with each deathrattle summon caused it to rapidly spiral out of control to the point where you couldn't deal with it anymore.

@thiccnoodles6767

Жыл бұрын

honestly i think if they made undertaker like arcane anomaly, he would be an interesting card.

@GregBall-yc4kk

4 ай бұрын

It wasn't even garbage when the nerf happened, it was still just one mana. Playing a deathrattle deck you could just win the game off of that card if you drew them + zombie chow + all the other cheap rattle cards

The best analysis I've heard of Warsong Commander is that its "A terrible 2 cost card....and it costs 3."

@thiccnoodles6767

Жыл бұрын

hey. its better than the river crocolisk because it can't be hemet nemsingwayd

It makes zero logic to keep Illucia at 3 mana after changing (destroying) her effect, at least they should revert her to the original 2 mana cost.

I’m a little surprised you didn’t talk about The Caverns Below, the OG Rogue quest. It was nerfed *twice* and still saw play. I remember the deck didn’t become unviable until Giggling Inventor was nerfed because they payoff from Giggling Inventor post-completion was so strong.

@JordnRiley

2 жыл бұрын

Came here to say the same thing. That deck was so broken.

Another one was the nerf to Force of Nature. It was a 6 cost spell that originally summoned 3 2/2 treants with charge. What people might not aldo remember though is that it originally cost 5 mana. It was then nerfed to 6 pretty early, still saw a tonne of play and was then killed completely by having charge removed from the Treants and it never saw any play after that outside of very fringe and niche low tier decks.

The Blade Flurry one inflicts physical pain in me everytime I remember. I miss the original so much

If blade flurry was still the same as before the nerf I'm pretty certain it would currently be the strongest HS card of all time

@efsanegaz

2 жыл бұрын

i dont think so but it would be playable

@swixx55

2 жыл бұрын

@@efsanegaz Pre nerf did dmg to face. with the current weapon buffs u can get +12 attack weapons and clear the board + face. It would be OP!

@efsanegaz

2 жыл бұрын

@@swixx55 didnt know it dealt damage to the face yeah thats a problem :D

@-8h-

2 жыл бұрын

Not really. Now maybe with their imbalanced power creep, but there still would have been 7 years of it being fine.

@Ledros

2 жыл бұрын

It would be very strong, but not even close to strongest

This content is great. I never knew how much I wanted to see stories of old streamers and cards the way they were when I played until these videos. You have a new subscriber!

Your recent videos are reallly fricking good! Ideas are intresting, montage is really cool and finally i think that you are created for content like that. I believe that your channel will boom in the close future. Congrats and keep on going pls!

Another great video - well researched and produced - Keep them coming!

The problem is the small range with 0-10 mana. When a change of +1 mana is not enough and +2 could be overkill. Dont know for sure if the game is now to old for this kind of change. So probably we will always have this kind of balance problems in the future.

@thiccnoodles6767

Жыл бұрын

hey, i think if they made (e.g.) ancient of lore 8 mana, it'd still see good play back in the day. same goes for doctor boom if he was ever nerfed, or leeroy

@uglyaniimals

4 ай бұрын

@@thiccnoodles6767it's funny you mention that bc leeroy did actually use to be 4 mana but got nerfed

Tuskarr Totemic shoulda became a 3/3 after that tweak to the wording tbh. Wouldn't be a high roll, but would still have better than vanilla stats in tempo (3/4 -->3/5)

love your new vids, wishing you much (algorithmic) success !

Can we just appreciate Rarrans new content... I really enjoy it and it seems to be doing well. Your three biggest Videos are new ones

Warsong commander originaly gave charge, i remember the combo, where you played with montent (or what kind of giant that change cost by your HP) giants to finish your opponent in one turn, back in the beta

Should have gone over sorcerers apprentice nerf, so unnecessary it showed a reasonable amount of play before nerf it was just a good card but now it’s unplayable

@thiccnoodles6767

Жыл бұрын

ikr? exodia mage was fun and somewhat hard to pull off, but now you have to spend 4 extra mana to get them out first

Loving the videos rarran! 100k subs soon!

I'm loving these types of videos. Can't wait for the next one. :)

The saddest nerf is definitly yogg saron. I know it's a polarizing card but I had sooo much fun with it. And in my opinion there are a lot worse random effect in the game. If you played a good amount of spells yogg was actually pretty predictable, it would usally clear the board and draw some cards.

Back on ye old hearthstone Warsong Commander didn't even have the 3 attack limitation, which made warrior otk with molten giants and brewmasters very possible if they cost 0. Another card that completely died after nerfs was Novice Engineer, a staple 1/2 minion with card draw nerfed to 1/1 that then had people completely replace with Loot Hoarders and Bloodmage Thalnos. I think the reason cards like the Novice Engineer and Broken Sun Cleric were nerfed to lose one health back in closed beta was because they were just about good enough to play in serious decks while being free. This was the age of the 4/5 4 drop and tempo trades, before the average f2p player had acquired enough dust to carelessly spend on epics and legendaries. Funnily enough because the meta was so focused on smaller minions trades and stuff like handlock wasn't fully figured out yet, Sylvannas didn't see much play despite being lower on mana cost as well, and they only thought to nerf that and Cairne after the card had become somewhat of a "reliable" legendary that free players probably saved towards and crafted by now. It's no wonder that they didn't care about handlock since it used a bunch of epics that were hard to play otherwise, so did Freeze Mage.

You Finally hit the jackpot with Content type Rarran keep it up the new vids are great!!!

I am loving your content so much. I look forward to every upload-and your upload speed is amazingly fast! I’m impressed dude

@Rarran

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks a ton!

I like how a year and a half between Ancient of Lore nerf and UI release is 'shortly after'.

This channel is beginning to be one of my favorite KZread pages.

Havent played hearthstone since 2017. I still really enjoyed this video! Keep it going

I'm really impressed that when you said "Sometimes a card is changed entirely" and you didn't immediately show Warsong Commander, I was so confused.

i played HS at the very start, never seriously. long break and just started playing again for Battlegrounds and now almost every mode. really enjoying these vids

Shout out to Small-Time Buccaneer. Used to be a 1 mana 1/2 Pirate that gained +2 attack while you had a weapon equipped (and was released in the same expansion as Patches, which made him even better), and got nerfed to be a 1/1 which absolutely killed the card.

Rarran the new talk based videos are perfect for my commutes and I am watching them all. I hope they are doing well with other viewers.

What hilarious on warsong commander is that there is barely any charge cards now so it made it below garbage.

I had no luck when it came to the decks I liked playing. I was a F2P around before the release of Naxxramas who could normally only play decks like aggro hunter, zoolocke and midrange shaman. The alternative decks I liked playing (in thanks from what I got from the packs I opened) were Maly Freeze mage, Oil Rogue, Worgen Warrior, Caverns Rogue and Miracle Rogue. As you will see they all got nerfs or had cards removed from standard which meant I couldn't play any of them any more. You may also see they were mostly otk decks which I get aren't fun to play against, but for me they were a fresh change from all the face hunter/shaman, secret paladin decks that were even more one dimensional than these ones. The miracle decks needed to change their win condition against the faster paced decks and needed to be the aggro ones against the tank warrior and freeze mage decks that were built to beat OTK. You needed to know how much damage you had and what you needed to play around whereas for decks like the ones I mentioned and others like Murloc Paladin, Taunt Deathrattle Druid, Elemental Mage. All these cards played the same no matter the opponents deck, play your throwaway cards then on turn 9/10 get your win condition card out and more often than not you win the game from there. By Knights of the Frozen throne I cared a lot less for the game than I did previously, now frequently taking breaks, heck I practically skipped the Witchwood and didn't even try out the Boomsday Project either aside from the puzzle mode. Rise of Shadows was my last game mode I tried out then I had enough.

I give up on the actual card game(only play BG now) a long time ago but man all the history and lore and stuff this is what I Jones for every day! Keep it up my fantastic dude!!

@Rarran

2 жыл бұрын

im glad you enjoy them mod! any bg videos you want me to cover?

@emilbudev8451

2 жыл бұрын

@@Rarran loads to cover on the new Bg patch! Buddies! Waiting eagerly for your breakdown Rarran, keep the good work brother

@Rarran

2 жыл бұрын

probs wont do a breakdown, trying to do content that lasts for a while not meta dependent, if that makes sense

@modnarer

2 жыл бұрын

@@Rarran honestly bro, there is so much to cover in regular HS that i wouldnt even stress. Your videos do such a great job of explaining the nuances of the crazy things that happened. And you do it very well I think you've definitely found your Niche and I hope that it becomes extremely profitable!

@emilbudev8451

2 жыл бұрын

@@Rarran it does my man. Keep it up

Not mentioning the Jaina portrait nerf? That was definitely the biggest nerf of all! lol

@Rarran

2 жыл бұрын

HOW COULD I FORGET!!!!

@RasmusVJS

2 жыл бұрын

?

Sorcerer's Apprentice has joined the club (Maybe)

Never seen ur channel before and ive bingewatched like 15 today. Good stuff

@Rarran

2 жыл бұрын

Awesome! this was a very nice comment to read!

So between the first nerf of warsong to Patron, I don't remember that much play of the card (granted its been some time so my memory may be fuzzy. But I was curious why you didn't mention the original warsong commander because that killed a deck and if I remember correctly basically nuked the card until patron.

@felixpoon4355

2 жыл бұрын

yes it is molten giant otk

First version of warsong was “whenever you summon a minion, it gains charge”

Don't get me wrong, i loved Ben Brode. But his era was defined by late nerfs and when they did arrive they were so drastic that they killed the card

Me, reading the title: "Sobasically every nerfed card ever :D"

I feel like alot these cards can be unnerfed back to what they were, or changed to better fit the current meta.

Very cool lookback at nerfs!

The funny thing is, at the time they could have just changed Blade Flurry to say "deal damage equal to your weapon's attack to all enemy minions" and remove the whole "destroy your weapon" thing. At 4 mana it would have been fine. At the time.

The demon seed shouldn't work with fatigue. Keep it at release numbers but make it so it doesn't work with fatigue damage.

@Noobie2k7

2 жыл бұрын

That's what I always said. It feels so obviously unintended for it to work and be uses the way it is but Blizzard just refused to change it. It's clear the idea was for you to use self damaging cards to kill your opponent not to just brain dead draw your whole deck and win using a mechanic imbedded into the fundemental game itself to punish games going too long to then kill your opponent.

Whether or not changing the cost of a card by 1 will be a big deal kind of depends on the cost of the card. If you increase the cost by one and it started at 1, you increased the cost by 100 percent. If you increase the cost of a 5 cost card to 6 you increase the cost by 20 percent.

Giggling inventor is missing here. It was so broken at 5 Mana, for 6 Mana it would've been fair but for some reason blizzard decided to kill it by making it 7 mana

I was rly sad about the kingsbane nerfs, was one of my fav decks it just was insane fun to have a 15 attack weapon.

If I remember correctly the rough quest was nerf 3 times am I right?

I enjoy your new content so much keep it up!!

Fun fact - I unpacked my Illucia about 3 weeks after her nerf :)

I never knew they changed Warsong Commander like that!

these videos are great

As far as I remember, Fiery War Axe was not immediately killed by the mana increase, it has been played less but remained relevant until stronger weapons came out and replaced it.

@Kjbt70

2 жыл бұрын

Yea I was gonna say the same. Card still saw a good amount of play cuz the axe was still a decent enough weapon

Warsong Commander used to give ALL your minions charge.

I noticed that all these examples are perfect!

I still contend they should’ve just changed starving buzzard to whenever a beast DIES. Fits the flavor, changes the brokenness of the combo, and allows it to still be playable; it’d just be a cheaper death cultist for exclusively beasts.

@peterkirk8510

2 жыл бұрын

It doesn’t fix the problem with the combo, which was the actual issue

@brendonford3838

2 жыл бұрын

@@peterkirk8510 yes it does. Because the main problem was all the beasts allowed you to draw all those cards BEFORE attacking and draw 0 cost hunters mark to instantly remove any major taunt. Death’s cultists effect would make it so you would draw as they die making combat superiority less of a given. It would allow it to be a playable combo, on theme (buzzards are scavengers who are rewarded upon death of another beast), but not broken.

@peterkirk8510

2 жыл бұрын

@@brendonford3838 at the time it still would’ve been broken

thought of illucia as soon as i saw the title. never seen a card get so brutalized by a nerf, i demand justice for my girl!

Great video, one card missing for me is nerf to Yogg that he would stop casting when it died. :D

@eroslampitella2629

2 жыл бұрын

Bow down to the God of death * Immediately pyroblast his own face"

5:44 is completely not true. Fiery war axe carried on being played in warrior decks, especially ones where an early weapon was important.

I love the fast video pacing. Sort of. Sometimes I want just a bit more context but I absolutely love you how don’t wast time. Irony lol.

What I don't understand about some of the stat changes is why go so far so suddenly? Why not nerf Keeper to 2/3 then give a few weeks and if the problem persists go a bit further

I remember Warsong Commander nerf. I met a player that ready to do the combo and play Warsong. Seems like he didn't get the memo and stood there wandering why his patron wont attack. I watch him full minute of nothing before he conceding. But yeah, troublesome card like her would still making trouble if didn't butchered. Giving CHARGE isn't something you play with. CHARGE is a powerful effect no matter what, and her ability proven to be keep doing damage after multiple nerfs. Some people think various treatment for her, but I glad she completely gone.

I literally remeber all of these nerfs despite not having played HS for 6 years or so. These "balancing" changes were the main reason I stopped playing the game

So many of these were the result of the bad decision to try to keep Classic around forever and not have Classic cards overshadow everything new. And it still didn't work since Classic cards were still too prevalent despite continual nerfs (then the Hall of Fame idea), but they managed to ruin the use of fun cards for Wild by killing them entirely. Glad new blood eventually made the Core set and reverted most of the nerfs.

well, first videos were so good, but latest have a lot of understatement, and it's really sad

Didn’t know they even nerfed ancient of lore, I just assumed it was power crept enough that it wasn’t needed anymore. Hardly any class struggles for card draw, 2 draw on a 7 cost is honestly just kinda meh.

I think adding some gameplay clips in the background of these videos (about the cards) adds alot .

@Rarran

2 жыл бұрын

would love to, but I don't have the time unfortunately. :(

Loved the video!

Most of the time when they nerf a card, they fuck it up.

Just a mention: Blood blossom got nerfed from 2 mana to 4 mana, which made my favorite deck „darkest hour warlock“ unplayable. Also the snip snap warlock was nerfed, since you could otk your enemy really easy. I went legend with it, and it was Just Not fair.

@thiccnoodles6767

Жыл бұрын

imo sn1p snap was a strong mech especially with mechwarper. the potential to just create a huge minion with 2-3 cards is retard.

I am 6 minutes in the video right now and literally ALL cards that got mentioned were a few of the most toxic and unbalanced cards ever. The were either aggro oriented or part of OTK-builds (besides ancient of lore i guess) .. and we have waaaaaay too many of those decks in every meta .. i am actually not sad they nerfed these cards so much they became unplayable

Blade flurry was still played a lot at 4 mana.

I'm curious what would happen to warsong commander if the nerf was pseudo-reversed but gives minions rush instead of charge. If stops OTK's and makes it more board-centric. But hey, this is coming from something that hasn't played since witchwood

@Noobie2k7

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly I feel like 1 mana give a minion rush and + 2 attack this turn would still be bad.

“And the perfect example is…”

Wasn't Blade Flurry still played after the nerf in Kingsbane rogue? To be fair it needed a big nerf otherwise you could never give strong weapons to rogue, but most of the others nerf in this video were bad.

I still remember when face hunter was the meta and actual bots existed for the sake of grinding to legend.

Great Content! keep it up!

I remember these times. The HS balance team has to be the worst balance team in any game ever. Even worse than LoL

"25 ways to say a card has been nerfed"

War axe was still played after nerf. Dunno what ur talking about. It only dropped out in further expansions with overall card strenght increase

avianna nerf made druids cry into their tea for needing another card in their deck

I remeber when both starving buzzard and unleash the hounds were both 2 mana... good time to lmaoo

Warsong commander nerf killed the Worgen OTK deck I was soooo sad when it hapened

And Illucia is BEYOND BROKEN BUSTED now, basically *steal your opponents minions and decks every turn indefinitely* at this point.

Ancient of Lore really didn’t even need to get nerfed, and if it did, maybe just make it a 4/4

Why HAVEN'T they reverted any of these early nerfs... Except golem... mana wyrm etc. Wouldn't mind Spirit Claw nerf revoked just to snowball that thing with a 1 mana spell dps minion. Shamans don't get spell dps totems anymore, so...

The charge nerf killed my weapon warrior otk deck :(

Idk why illucia isnt change back to 2 mana....

I'm a new player but would you say the recent Irondeep Trog nerf is a bit egregious? It took away like... any of their benefit. People would build decks around that effect and it's kinda sad to see that vanish so quickly

@Rarran

2 жыл бұрын

The card needed a change but maybe increasing the mana was better. Issue with the card was how snowballs it could be

Warsong should have said minions you PLAY with 3 power or less have charge.

I love these kinds of videos

Ahhh,priest does have a I win if i draw this card named questline shuffle the I win shard into my deck, draw it and I win.

it annoys me because so many of these cards can be un-nerfed and NOT be OP

'Member Holy Wrath + Molten Giant?

Regarding Starving Buzzard, it seeing no play afterwards was kind of the point. The thing had been a key card in the Face Hunter engine of the time and most of the fanbase actively hated it. They didn't just want it nerfed, they wanted it gone. Leaving it in a playable but weaker state would have done little to make the community feel much better because this was back when patches were much rarer and people already felt they were not being listened to. Bringing the hammer down on it so hard was just as much because of the frustration and anger of the players towards what was felt to be a toxic deck at the time than it was because the card itself was actively harmful.

Crabrider deserved to have windfury limited to its first turn. 2 mana windfury should not be that accessible to every class to snowball better than knife juggler.

he forgot the 2 mana fire totem 0/3 that gave +2 attack to its neighbours that card got nerfed and was also destroyed

@5starview

2 жыл бұрын

I have 1200 shaman wins and I can't remember the name of the card. lol

I waited for you to talk about corridor crriper 7 mana that cost 1 less for every min that died while he was in your hand they killed it by making him a usless 2/5 instead of an OP played in all decks 5/5

I'm 99.9% sure I'm right, but Warsong Commander change was before Rush was a keyword, yes? What do you think would have happened if the change (in history) had been that it gave minions Rush instead of Charge?

@Rarran

2 жыл бұрын

probs would have saw play!

@WavemasterAshi

2 жыл бұрын

@@Rarran Oh, it probably would...but would it have done what they needed to do, or would it still have been too good? (This was before I started playing)

@fatestaytilted8849

2 жыл бұрын

​@@WavemasterAshi it would very likely see play. The nerf was supposed to gut patron warrior (otk deck), so yeah it would achieve the intended result. Patron warrior saw a bit of play post warsong nerf since summoning a bunch of patrons was still strong, even if they did not have charge, but rush would have made them pretty good. There would also be counterplay so no I dont think it was too good. To further elaborate a bit... The Issue with patron warrior was it won by either overwhelming you with patrons or by otk. Decks without board clears lost, because they couldnt deal with patrons. Decks with board clears got hit by 20atk frothing berserkers with charge. No charge means slower decks would be pretty good, since patron warrior would still be really strong against aggro. Might have even pushed the game towards a slower meta.

@WavemasterAshi

2 жыл бұрын

@@Rarran Another change I just thought of...what if it was that it added Charge to minions you PLAY instead of SUMMON, so that the first Patron would gain Charge, but none of the others would gain anything? (Basically it would be this - if it would trigger a Battlecry, it could gain Charge)

some of these changes were obviously made so they could sell more cards from future sets.