Great video once again, thank you! Gotta say though, I think you mispronounced Hearthkyn every single time, or… I just don’t know how it’s pronounced.

@CanYouRollaCrit

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! Yeah...I gave up on that lol. I think I did 10 different pronunciations 😅🤣

@Axelhackson

Жыл бұрын

@@CanYouRollaCrit It should be "Haarth-kin", I think. That, or "Herth-kin"

@citizensmith42

Жыл бұрын

@@Axelhackson Yeah, harf-kin. Like half but with an R.

@bargeryfamily

Жыл бұрын

Hearth guard were dark ages elite warriors, the term appears in Beowulf and The Battle of Maldon. That's probably where the hearth kin reference comes from. That and dwarves are famous Smith's and there's always a hearth in a forge.

@Maulyr

Жыл бұрын

@@bargeryfamily The original Squats had Hearthguard as Elites, this is a heavy-handed carry on from that :]

I think it's just "Hearth kin" Like a hearth is a large fireplace (usually pronounced Haarth or maybe Haath if you're British) and kin as in family.

Absolutely adore the sculpts. And I really like the rules for equipment guy and knuckle guy. The rest of it I’m pretty bummed out by. I was really hoping it wouldn’t be another paper-thin, 10 model, 7w team. Rock and Stone, friends!! Enjoy your hauls. Imma sit this one out.

@CanYouRollaCrit

Жыл бұрын

The 3+ save really helps them a lot from what I've found in practice

Proximate Firepower at the beginning of the turn, use The Ancestors Are Watching on an engaged Hearthkin, use both AP to Fall Back, then shoot for free thanks to Ancestors with improved ballistic skill. It's 2 CP to do it, but against Legionaries or Intercessors if for whatever reason you survived a melee turn against them then this could mean a guaranteed dead marine, not counting grudge tokens.

@puenboy1

Жыл бұрын

I don’t think you are gonna survive being charged, even against fists

@ShadowCoH316

Жыл бұрын

@puenboy1 yeah after doing some of the math I realized that the hard way lol. I made a big comment after crunching some numbers over on glass half dead's video about it

@CanYouRollaCrit

Жыл бұрын

It's good if someone charge-blocked you for sure!

@Klamageddon

Жыл бұрын

​@@puenboy1 Yeah, against Intercessors, it seems very very unlikely you'd survive even if you were the one charging.

I could be wrong but i see this team struggling to get over a 45% wr. I was hoping it would be 9 operatives hitting on 3s with a 4+ save and 3 circles of movement. Basically be an aldari style team that trades bonus movement for extra tanky traits. Right now they have less wounds the aldari which feels like a bad joke. Hitting on 4s is also just confusing, kaserkin have elite poins to make up for that and their still not great. Maybe im wrong and grudge tokens will carry a lot of weight but i have my doubts.

@CanYouRollaCrit

Жыл бұрын

In my practice games they done really well due to Grudge tokens and Attack Order. +1 to hit at red is good too and with a +3 save they shrug off a lot of shooting attacks. I think they'll be in the okay 50% range. They're really good when played right

@martylund8411

Жыл бұрын

You are correct, sir. This team should have never made it through basic quality control. Someone should have looked at Dwarves with less Wounds than Elves and regular Humans and slapped the lead designer with a fish.

@thejomah

Жыл бұрын

@CanYouRollaCrit I hope your right! At least we know they won't be overpowered.

@burp114

Жыл бұрын

For the record, a 4+ shot with elite points is leagues better than a 3+ shot. A kasrkin's hotshot lasgun is better than an intercessor's 3+ shot with ceasless, even. The only drawback is that you don't have enough elite points to use on every single shot, but the fact that you apply elite points *after rolling* means that you don't need to use them on every shot. I will continue my one-man crusade until the KT community has internalized bayesian statistics.

@martylund8411

Жыл бұрын

​@@burp114 Sure, you can dice-fix a 4+ BS with good fixing mechanics. Sisters and T'au were so good at this they had to be nerfed. Kasrkin had to be buffed. Hearthkyn are going to need some serious help. The other elephant in the room is that a 3+ Save does nothing in melee. Hearthkyn Warriors die like T'au in melee. The shame of it! On top of that, 7W is a much worse melee and shooting damage breakpoint than 8W. 2/3 and 3/4 weapons are much worse for a 7W model. The only saving grace is Kyn just don't care about the Injured debuffs between already being at the MV floor and probably auto-picking Stabilizers for everyone.

I’m a lot more enthused now I’ve seen what they do. The jump pack guy particularly looks fun.

@CanYouRollaCrit

Жыл бұрын

That's great to hear! Yeah he's great for Tac Op scoring and hunting down lone operatives

Great thanks I wanted to see the rules as the box sold out by 10:04 in the UK :/ Also for the record it's pronounced Harthkin salvagers haha

@CanYouRollaCrit

Жыл бұрын

The production issues are mad I think I pronounced it differently 10 different times :D

im hyped for the team, looks like a team that will be hard to learn but satisfying to run once mastered... its just a shame that its basically not available anywhere :(

@CanYouRollaCrit

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, once mastered they're really good imo Yeah...supply has been horrible ):

Great video - thank you!

@CanYouRollaCrit

Жыл бұрын

No worries, glad you liked it (:

The odd mass of equipment choices is for 40K compatibility. I roll a LOT of 1’s, so for me the Ion Blaster isn’t an automatic choice. Against an elite team sure, but bolter seems better against numerous teams where you can’t rely on the enemies inflicting grudges on themselves.

@CanYouRollaCrit

Жыл бұрын

With attack order and your grudge ploy, the ions are just too good. I'd only take bolters vs teams with invuns

7 Wounds is a joke imo. they can have all the special rules in the world. Be unlucky and lose hard.

@CanYouRollaCrit

Жыл бұрын

Kinda, it makes them way more vulnerable to CC

@martylund8411

Жыл бұрын

@@CanYouRollaCrit Imagine being a Dwarf that's objectively worse at taking a punch to the face than an Elf. The Ancestors wept.

@DodgethisCZ

Жыл бұрын

Maybe its better because of their abillities? But I only know this team from this video :D

I feel like whoever wrote the Gear options for the Theyn forgot the limits. I understand him having the options for both gun and pistol variants IF it was like everyone else where you either get the two handed gun OR a pistol and melee. but they're allowing him to take but the two handed gun and the melee? weird.

@CanYouRollaCrit

Жыл бұрын

Yeah especially as the guns are just straight up better than their pistol versions. Very confusing

@Petru_Mita

Жыл бұрын

@@CanYouRollaCrit I wonder if it will get errata'd In a data slate

@CanYouRollaCrit

Жыл бұрын

Unlikely, just a weird loadout

you shouldnt be able to score settle grudge in a insgle turns. it specifies the first time each turn

@CanYouRollaCrit

Жыл бұрын

Ah, my mistake!

14:10 Notice it says Operative, not Enemy Operative, so the debuffs from the utility grenade affect friendly and enemy oepratives. At least, that's how I read it.

@CanYouRollaCrit

Жыл бұрын

Oh yeah, that's true!

I love the look of them but would love to see more narrative content if possible

My lads finally here beautiful

@CanYouRollaCrit

Жыл бұрын

Yup, they're really great!

The tax op isn’t that easy it’s only the time each turning point you gain a point so in 3 turning points you need to kill something with a grudge token and if it’s a cagey tp2 and 2 you could struggle to kil things with grudge tokens

@CanYouRollaCrit

Жыл бұрын

I think it's still really good overall, even if it is basically a 3TP tac op to max

I am interested in getting into Kill Team. When I read whats the content of the box. There are the figures...so where do I find the values and discriptions you show in the video if they aren't in the box.

@CanYouRollaCrit

3 ай бұрын

They come in the rule book they were originally released with (:

@larslaufer301

3 ай бұрын

@@CanYouRollaCrit So that is what? I am not familiar with Warhammer, well beside the PC games of Dawn of war. I thought that when you buy figures they come with the rules for them. I mean not the basic rules. A friend of mine bought the starter set so he has the core rules but from what I understood this guys shouldn't be in that book?' Kinda confusing to me.

7 wounds? I see 8 wounds coming in the future for this team.

@CanYouRollaCrit

Жыл бұрын

Nah. I feel/think they were originally 8 wounds with a +4 save. If they go to 8 wounds then they'd need to go down to a +4 save again

@puenboy1

Жыл бұрын

They are already slow and inaccurate, for that they ought to be sturdier than elves at the very least. Ugh.

@shockerck4465

Жыл бұрын

@@CanYouRollaCrit Yeah, that armor is good. What are Sisters armor/wounds? Same, right? Squats are slower. I just feel they should be tougher than Sisters.

@martylund8411

Жыл бұрын

@@shockerck4465 Sisters have 8W and 3+ Sv and 3+ BS. Scions have 8W and 4+ Sv and 3+ BS, but they get Orders (including the one for a Free Mission Action for pseudo APL3) and then get 4 good Gunners along with an infinite range double-comms.

Argument for the fist guy: with the free fight, you can charge, fight, then knock back. Whilst only moderately useful, it's maximally cool.

@puenboy1

Жыл бұрын

Your 7 wound fist guy would need to survive the fight to get his free knockback

@EmoSquirrel781

Жыл бұрын

There's definitely a specific use case to it. It'll most likely happen against guys like the thug or subductors who have good survivability in combat but mediocre damage. Pretty much a counter bruiser

@CanYouRollaCrit

Жыл бұрын

I can imagine I'm Ryu at the same time 🥲

@thejomah

Жыл бұрын

​@puenboy1 notably you could smash him first and then fight him. You could even force him in-between two of your guys so you get combat support.

They look fun

@CanYouRollaCrit

Жыл бұрын

They oddly are! They've grown on me a lot

Would The Ancestors Are Watching allow the Rail Rifle to be shot for free? The entry on free actions says you don't subtract any additional ap while performing them.

@CanYouRollaCrit

Жыл бұрын

I'm not entirely sure but so far I'm saying yes

they saunds like elite teams slayers

@CanYouRollaCrit

Жыл бұрын

They do shoot elite teams to death haha

Plasma Pistol > Ion blaster on Theyn? If the Plasma hit on 3s I'd say no contest. But it hitting on 4s seems rough.

@CanYouRollaCrit

Жыл бұрын

I prefer the Plasma but I can see uses for the Ion

How many bloody tokens do these little bastards need? I've been excited for this team and can't wait to see a tactics video/guide for them. I've had 1 game using Salvagers but as a Blooded main they were very different for me and i had a major defeat. Any advice on how to run this team?

@CanYouRollaCrit

Жыл бұрын

I just like playing them defensively, focusing on just tieing on primaries but winning via tac ops

@Ulfhednir9

Жыл бұрын

@@CanYouRollaCrit Thanks bro :) What tac ops would you recommend? I looked up the old tac ops guide you did with the rating out of 5 (which had served very well thank you again :) ) but since crit ops its abit outdated

You mentioned bringing all 3 gunners. but what specialists are staying on the bench for that?

@CanYouRollaCrit

Жыл бұрын

Usually the fist guy and maybe medic

@an0nycat

Жыл бұрын

You need medic against shooting teams and fist guy against melee teams)

Is this one of those teams you'll need two boxes to make work?

@CanYouRollaCrit

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, to an extent. You basically need 1.5 boxes

@senti5468

Жыл бұрын

@@CanYouRollaCrit Thanks for the reply! I hope a normal box will do for this though. The upside of just dealing with upgrade spures.

Just how many different tokens do you need for these teams??

@CanYouRollaCrit

Жыл бұрын

A lot if you're using the equipment and utility grenades 🤣

it is posibble to make all specialist fron one box? or second box is needed?

@CanYouRollaCrit

Жыл бұрын

You'll need a second box imo but because you want 3 gunners too

Lol WHAT did you call them?!!!

@CanYouRollaCrit

Жыл бұрын

Hearty-kin :DDDD

Why would you value P1 over ceaseless? Ceaseless lets you reroll all 1s, versus only taking away one defence die from the enemy if you get a 6?

@CanYouRollaCrit

Жыл бұрын

Because Grudge tokens always ensure a crit and you'll have a reroll from attack order

@ObsceneSuperMatt

Жыл бұрын

@@CanYouRollaCrit Oh nice!

This team is so dwarfy!!! I need this team!! 😢

@CanYouRollaCrit

Жыл бұрын

They are very dwarfy! It's a nice surprise aha

@martylund8411

Жыл бұрын

Having less Wounds than the knife-ears and unaugmented humans (Aeldari, Druhkari, Scions, Kasrkin, Sisters of Battle) is definitely un-Dwarf.

@DoomStarRequiem

Жыл бұрын

@@martylund8411 at least they should be 9wounds base.. 10 for the Theyn.

Interesting! Good thing I managed to pre-preorder the box set at the regional WH. Sounds like I'll need magnets or more bodies for those gunners though. Also, if you take three gunners, and ignoring bog standard warriors, you still need to lose two specialists... Hmm...

@CanYouRollaCrit

Жыл бұрын

Magnets work but some of the arms...go on weird due to the bodies

Im sure someone said it but its HEARTH-KYN was so hard to follow when i heard it 😅 i do like the video though.

@CanYouRollaCrit

Жыл бұрын

But Heartykin 🥺

I was kind of sceptic to this kill team but after your review I might get one team for myself

@CanYouRollaCrit

Жыл бұрын

That's great to hear! They're really good but have to be played quite defensively

What size are their bases?

@CanYouRollaCrit

Жыл бұрын

28mm

I can see that a few operatives are really pushed. Mostly the comms, lokatar, and luggar. Just a comms is good, didn’t need extra stuff. lokatar didn’t need both abilities. And the luggar would have been great with just 5 extra EP didn’t need the extra ability, but overall a cool interesting team. And balanced with the 4” movement.

@martylund8411

Жыл бұрын

They need those abilities - badly. They are Move 4", APL2, and 7 Wounds. Without those gimmick specialists these guys are Bad Compendium Tempestus Scions (Move 6", APL2, 8 Wounds, 3+ BS and 4+ Sv vs. 4+ BS and 3+ Sv). Votann get a Grudge mechanic where Scions can perform Free Action mission actions every turn, Take Aim, and can double-comms anywhere on the battlefield. Oh, and Scions get _real_ Plasma guns/pistols too. Seriously, this Kill Team is another Kasrkin-style disaster where someone got too caught up in the pet BS-compensation mechanics and made bad balance assessments.

@MrPomwarlock

Жыл бұрын

@@martylund8411 fair enough I see your point :)

@CanYouRollaCrit

Жыл бұрын

They are but it makes the KT quite the shooting machine when they gwt setup right. Although a lot of the operatives are too wordy

Pretty tough to justify running 4" move teams, even if one of them gets a 12" with fly lol. Gonna have to be a pass from me based on that alone, despite how fun grudges sound.

@CanYouRollaCrit

Жыл бұрын

Once you get past the movement, they're really solid. You just have to plan moves in advance but I can understand, move 2 white is a pain aha

This Killteam actually looks pretty cool. Even with the slow movement

@CanYouRollaCrit

Жыл бұрын

They are! Best way to explain it is to plan out all your moves at the start of the game for the rest of the game. It's hard but really rewarding

Its pronounced "Haarth-kin"

@CanYouRollaCrit

Жыл бұрын

Heeeeryhe kine 🤔

There's no #salvaging this Kill Team. No, seriously, this here is the textbook example of why GW has no business SELLING rulebooks to these teams anymore. They print books even after they already know they are dysfunctional and will require massive adjustments post-release. Just move to free digital rules like a civilized miniatures company. Then we won't have such ugly debacles.

@CanYouRollaCrit

Жыл бұрын

Votann are pretty great? They're not horrible.

@martylund8411

Жыл бұрын

@@CanYouRollaCrit We'll see how this plays out compared to the "Exceedingly Powerful" and "Too Good," assessments for Exaction Squad last time. ;) 7W, 4" Move, and 4+ shooting on a 10-model team. Friends don't let friends play 71 Wound Kill Teams.