Use these links to support the channel hdzero 90 FPS cam - www.hd-zero.com//product-page/runcam-hdzero-nano-90?AffCode=84D7E7338C (note: 90 FPS cam DOES come with a mipi cable) HDZero Goggle - www.hd-zero.com//product-page/hdzero-goggle?AffCode=84D7E7338C Foxeer Antenna - www.racedayquads.com/products/foxeer-lollipop-v4-5-8ghz-u-fl-antenna-rhcp?keyword=lollipop&aff=34 Tiny Trainer V2 - flyfive33.com/tiny-trainer-v2-beauty-page/?wpam_id=12 #hdzero #hdzero90fps #fpv

Just to add some perspective from a simulator developers perspective. The reason that you get seemingly larger gains on velocidrone (or indeed any simulator of your choice) when you increase frame rates and hz rates is not that you are reducing latency - it kind of is but not really - let me explain. When we fly fpv we are always trying to judge the momentum of the quad, they have momentum they don't just go where you point them immediately. So being able to judge your speed and momentum accurately is very key to flying a tight racing line, because speed is about your lines not about whether you are going really fast (and then blowing out every turn). In order to judge momentum accurately you need smooth motion - the smoother this is the better you get at judging it accurately. This in a nutshell is why fpv simulators are so affected by running higher FPS and higher hz screens. Latency is more of an advantage in FPS games - in that instance it is how quickly you see an enemy come round a corner - so you can track and shoot them, this very much is all about latency and much less about smoothness of motion. I enjoyed the video but knowing what I do about hz rates and fps I just bought the HD Zero setup as soon as it was available - because it is an advantage and it is in fact no different to what happens when you up frame rates in a simulator. Most people will immediately get faster and crash less from running 90hz - whether you are latency sensitive or not.

@JonE5FPV

Жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot for the clarifications. I did not want to blanket say that it will instantly be better for anyone, but more share my experiences, since there always seems to be a group that says latency does not affect them at all, or they cant feel any threshholds above 30-60hz. I think this does clear things up, and we are probably save to go back to the FPV adage that reducing latency in any part of the control or video system is an advantage. I could clearly feel it, and it felt similar to upgrading monitors in Velocidrone, but sounds like it will have an even greater effect IRL. Fantastic notes.

@Velocidrone

Жыл бұрын

@@JonE5FPV I agree with your perspective that you probably shouldn't just say everyone will be faster, you don't want to be responsible for people buying something then having issues and blaming you for their woes. In velocidrone I've yet to come across anyone who upgraded monitor from 60hz to say 120hz and then said it made no difference. 60hz to 90hz is a smaller hop but it should still apply and make a noticeable difference. I'm kind of expecting that as more people get HD Zero systems it's going to become a common knowledge thing - just like higher hz monitors for FPV simulators is a common knowledge thing today and was a subject of much scepticism when pilots first started talking about it.

@JoeMommaFPV

Жыл бұрын

This is exactly the way I look at it. Glad to have the knowledge from someone so intimately knowledgeable about the subject and providing some useful insight to the discussion. The 90fps camera has provided me with more confidence in my ability to react and get around the track as smooth as possible, has been more significant than any other change I've ever made in my fpv setup to date. But this is just my personal opinion.

Aight ima install mine now, great vid!

Great review Jon. I knew that if me and Ivan could feel the difference so clearly, you would as well. I got to try flying it in the day time at Oak hallow and man was it even better than at the night spot. Night spot kills HDZero quality on all cams. It REALLY shines during the day. But then again all FPV footage looks like crap at night. Hopefully Limon got Tony Cake and Carl working together to get Tramp Telemetry working on HDZero VTXs and that will cure all your woe's about making a full 100% switch. The benefits of the 90fps cam are hard for anyone to deny. When you need reaction time over all else, this is the way!

@JonE5FPV

Жыл бұрын

My mic messed up, in my dvr, but i wish people could have heard me complaining about how big of a difference i felt flying 60 fps again. Impressive stuff.

@JoeMommaFPV

Жыл бұрын

@@JonE5FPV hahaha you're complete disappointment with how much of a difference you felt was like food for my soul! I wish you could have captured it too. 🤣😂🤣

Great video with good examples and comparisons to gaming!

@JonE5FPV

Жыл бұрын

thanks a lot thomas, ive been trying for years to get as low latency in my gaming and pretty cool we are able to do the same in FPV now.

Fantastic flying and review, Jon! 😃 But yeah, Joshua said in a livestream that he felt the difference as well! Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

@JonE5FPV

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! You too!

I here ya Bro - I have an RTX 3070ti arriving TODAY via UPS! MORE FPS! 🤘 We all know about the infamous Walk of Shame, when you crash and have to go pick it up. You gave us the Talk of Shame! 🤦‍♂Bummer, I feel for ya man. Expensive mistake. No shame, everyone has done that sometime in their FPV flying. Nice video!

The only thing holding me back is the cost to convert. $100 for a vtx and $67 for a camera is just too much for a fleet of quads. At least for me it is 😂

@notsure1502

Жыл бұрын

And if the diffence is that big, I wont want to fly 60fps, thus eliminating the possibility of slowly converting 😮‍💨

Great analogy with gaming/ fps/ monitor refresh rate. Haven't seen anyone really make this analogy with HDZero, and it makes total sense.

@JonE5FPV

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! I honestly didnt expect the change to be this much, and it was the only thing i could think was similar. Since i remember seeing those types of games when i upgraded pc and got a gaming monitor. Crazy we can see the same gains for racing.

Great Video Jon! I think most people will understand that low latency and higher fps is a real advantage in racing. I cannot wait to test my 90 to it's limits this Friday on practice. I will go back to 60 after a few packs and see what happens. But like with monitors, I'm very sensitive to fps and can spot 100hz from 120hz+.

@JonE5FPV

Жыл бұрын

Nice! Can’t wait to get more in and add to more of my fleet. Let me know what you think once you get them in the air

I run the SPRacing H7RF with ELRS V3 on tight builds paired with the Foxeer 60. I too have really been enjoying the performance of the Runcam90. Have also been running the new whoop lite board when not using a race2, and they have been incredibly durable, I did it for the LoLs on one build originally… and after breaking multiple boards, arms, and plates, the whoop lite is still in one piece. I expected it to be the first thing to go :p

And HDZero Hybrid Board with ELRS would be amazing!

@JonE5FPV

Жыл бұрын

im going to bug the ELRS dev guys every week till we have this.

Great commentary. Entertaining

Nice review. I agree 💯 that the Nano 90 is a game changer. I immediately noticed a difference in my testing.

@JonE5FPV

Жыл бұрын

Great to hear!

@gartsworld-RC

9 ай бұрын

Here the same. Much smoother image🤙🏻

thank you for what you do.

Correct me if im wrong but i remember the first of your hdzero Videos where you not promissed about the future of hdzero ;-)

@JonE5FPV

Жыл бұрын

100% At launch with collaboration with Fatshark, the system had a lot of issues, and it was unclear if it would survive long enough to evolve enough to find a user base outside of those willing to test beta type gear. But they have come a long way, increased reliability, availability and added new features unique to the system (goggles themselves with de-interlaced improved analog signal), 90 fps mode, etc... happy to be proven wrong, when it means the community wins. Nice work by HDzero for sure.

I hope they make a 90FPS Micro cam!

Man it sucks when you break something that you haven't even gotten to fully enjoy yet. RIP. My condolences...and buy em up as you please. I got months to wait before I'm switching anything over, but all this hype makes me happy I have put off switching from analog this long...it can only be an upgrade to people like me. I hear Bardwell is "considering" switching. It makes me wonder how many other digital pilots feel like they're losing if they switch for the lower latency. Not jabbing at anyone, I have almost switched to DJI twice & it's thoughts of "what if" on my behalf. I kinda like the blockiness over the lines, static & waves of analog too. I gotta fly it.

@JonE5FPV

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the kind words. And yes, it stings A LOT, but wanted to show those losses, as we all encounter them, even me. Its a crazy time, im for sure going to be using a mix of 90fps for all my racing, and DJI O3 for everything else moving fowards. Kind of annoying it means i will for sure need 2 sets of goggles,but man what a time to fly.

Great video! I order 3 more cams two weeks back after I caught the 90hz flu!

@JonE5FPV

Жыл бұрын

Oh wow! Now i think i need more myself, lol. Cant wait to get these on more tracks.

Good information and review. So your are saying the 90 is worth it over the 60?..well that stinks. I have 4 of the foxeer v2 cams still new in box and a couple of the v1's where I thought about switching to HDZ for racing last year but never did. I hate the thought of dropping $65 a cam for racing. Painful, but I need anything I can to help my reaction time, haha. Interesting info about the Foxeer Lollipop on the HDZ, I use it on almost all of my builds because it does good enough for the average track. But I hate the HDZ rainbow so I guess I'll have to use my 533 Axii's for the HDZ builds ( if I ever get myself to build them). Goggles are ordered though to force myself to build them.

@JonE5FPV

Жыл бұрын

For me it’s worth it. But I’m in same boat. As I have at least 10 cams not 90fps. I’ll convert a few at a time. And probably keep a pair on analog just in case.

The VAS Minion Pro antennas are great for HDZero, but probably too big for the tiny trainer. Works a treat on my 5"

@JonE5FPV

Жыл бұрын

Good call, i used to love using those on 5"

If the test is not blind, you can't know if the difference is real or placebo.

@JonE5FPV

Жыл бұрын

My KD ratio in MW2 confirms it.

@deice3

Жыл бұрын

@@JonE5FPV 😂

Yup, increasing fps makes it easier to fly and less crashes are incurred. I mean who wants to crash! And higher fps absolutely reduces latency, its so logical.

Wanted to sue the links to support your channel but the TTv2 is sold out and always seems to be . Its a shame . Thanks for the videos as always

@JonE5FPV

Жыл бұрын

Hey appreciate the support man! Hopefully they come back soon

I just glew the 90 on monday and ordered two more. Im leaving two drones with full sized just cause that 1080 look good sometimes lol

$900 for goggles is insane

@JonE5FPV

Жыл бұрын

they are only $495 right now? ( i guess once you add rapidfire and other stuff? Then its $645 + antennas)

@bengordon7635

Жыл бұрын

@@JonE5FPV preorder is 599 beast hobby if you want in stock it's over 800 price gouging everywhere

Yeah I think the HDZ90fps is the future of racing. I don’t even race but once I tried the 90fps it was difficult to go back to 60fps. I always thought 60fps HDZ was great but the improvement on 90fps is night and day

@JonE5FPV

Жыл бұрын

I did not expect the effect to be so large. Hope they can make them fast enough

@CalleyyyC

Жыл бұрын

@@JonE5FPV yep, and maybe a micro size variant too if it could be any significant difference. Although they did pretty good with the nano v2 for image quality compared to the micro v2. I think it’s not too far off

As you rightly said, when it comes to racing, image quality doesn't matter as much as latency and consistency. After testing 90fps on my Five33 Lightswitch today, 60fps looks a bit "sluggish"

@JonE5FPV

Жыл бұрын

Wow, glad to hear im not the only one noticing this. Now i just need more of them!

@myfavouritegame

Жыл бұрын

@@JonE5FPV I played FPS computer games before, so 90fps versus 60fps does make a different. That's why gamers plonk on the best GPU and monitors that can afford. Tomb Raider for instance, I didnt mind 60fps as long I push graphics to the max, but for Doom, frame rate is king.

damn this has me wanting to sell my skyzones and get in, I'm having FOMO right now lol

8:50 what is this chime sound for, just randomly throughout the video lol

90FPS all day racing!!!

@JonE5FPV

Жыл бұрын

cant wait! Gonna enjoy the small time where i have the advantage

Need that tbs antenna mount for tt v2! where did you find it?

@JonE5FPV

Жыл бұрын

I just used the one for the axii and it fit, link was in the STL section of product page here for the prints to the V2 flyfive33.com/product/tinytrainer-v2-frame-kit/?wpam_id=12

Would you switch to HD zero 90fps vs Dji

@JonE5FPV

Жыл бұрын

Ill be using both from this point. 90 fps for racing, O3 for just about everything else.

@ghiss46

Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much. You helped alot it was between 03 and hdzero. I don't Race often.

whats the latency difference between the 90 cam and analogue?

Is this still a problem?

How do you focus these cameras correctly? It’s a shame it doesn’t come fully focused from the factory.

@JonE5FPV

2 ай бұрын

Carefully adjust looking on monitor or goggles till lock ring is secured and in focus. Kind of a pain yes

@JonE5FPV

2 ай бұрын

Carefully adjust looking on monitor or goggles till lock ring is secured and in focus. Kind of a pain yes

@SbangFPV

2 ай бұрын

@@JonE5FPV that’s what I’ve been trying. I was so excited for low latency but when I saw the image I wanted to go back to DJI so bad.

As someone who is about to dive in to hd zero. Is this better than the V2 and does it have fixed latency too?

@StacemanFPV

Жыл бұрын

Every setup on HDZero is fixed latency

@JonE5FPV

Жыл бұрын

all have fixed latency as staceman said. This one has 90 fps vs 60 fps on the v2. Both are a really good. For me, im going to keep a few v2's around especially on micros, while i upgrade my other quads.

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I see you have that nice cheap omega watch. Apparently you can’t afford the real thing.

@JonE5FPV

Жыл бұрын

Lol. I have about 8 of the moonswatch but they are Chinese bootlegs because they were unobtainable for so long. I do actually have a moon watch though. It’s a commemoration of my time working at NASA.

@JonE5FPV

Жыл бұрын

I did an homage to the watch in this video I did years ago on the ethix moon boot motor kzread.info/dash/bejne/gX-Lzq2DZNS0Zrg.html