As I'm uploading this, I have finished the entirety of hbomberguy's video "Plagiarism and You(Tube)" and I can confidently say that hbomberguy himself is saying much more than "hey these guys suck and are stealing content". There is a lot that I personally related to as far as being a creative and working on things that may never see the light of day as they are buried under the hours and hours of content uploaded to KZread every day, made even more frustrating by the fact that I'm not just competing with other genuine creators, but also with people generating content at an inhuman speed because they are using "tools" like AI or simply and flat out stealing others content in order to more efficiently put out something that is "theirs". The internet is a difficult place to have a voice in to begin with, and every creator big and small that you enjoy is constantly in a battle against plagiarism, awful drivel that beats them to the punch and thats not to mention the mental toll that it takes sharing parts of yourself to an audience that you cannot physically see. Hbomberguy's video on plagiarism is connecting with so many people simply because there is a fatigue that's set in with so many of us, creators and consumers alike, where we are all so very tired of having to parse through trash to find something worthwhile. While I did not talk about it in the video, both because I was talking at length without a script or bullet points, and moreso sharing what I found to be the experience of "the little guy", Hbomberguy's video does largely talk about a creator that, to me, seems like a big old shithead named James Somerton. There were a lot of creators mentioned, not the least of which being Internet Historian and AVGN (AngryVideoGameNerd). I didn't think I would have a personal investment in the video, but I love AVGN and it makes total sense to me now why I fell off watching his more recent content. :( The point of my posting this video is not to show how horribly tangential I can be when not following a script, but to hopefully point in a direction that we should all strive, which is to support people doing cool things. It is important to call out bad behaviors, or straight up theft like Hbomberguy's video is about, but it is equally important to lift up creators of all sizes that are trying so very hard to communicate and share with you. In case you have not already seen it, this is a link to the video that I am talking about in THIS video. It is very high quality and worth watching simply for the entertainment value, even forgetting the more important aspects of it. If somehow Hbomberguy sees this, thanks for saying what needed to be said. kzread.info/dash/bejne/q3iklcV7ZcmuiLQ.htmlsi=hY6xDfZjc0tTEPjk

@MrJohndoakes

7 ай бұрын

Absolutely, the way social media and video streaming sites like KZread reward uploads is in who uploads first, and the people who do it first are usually reliant on crap shortcuts (plagiarizing, AI art, a pool of enslaved writers in a basement). It's a bad system that fills space with crap, and we have to ask for better or come up with better.

This point about AI is a good one. AI isn't taking over the niche of genuine creators -- it's taking over the niche of the people who rip them off.

@NotAbsolutelySure

7 ай бұрын

definitely, the part that worries me is how accepting of the copies people are seeming to become though comparing quality the real artists always win but what happens when the consumers dont care about quality, ya know?

On the topic of value - ironically (or not ironically, because you clearly get the point), this is one of the few videos ABOUT hbomb’s video that isn’t just blatant content/drama farming. You’re actually adding meaningful content and insight, responding to the points brought up by hbomb’s video with your own opinions based on experience, and crafting arguments actually worth the viewers’ time. The AI stuff particularly I’m with you on. I work in the tv industry and I feel like I’ve been shouting for the entire past year that the danger is not it becoming better, it’s it being faster and cheaper. (The other thing is that the danger is not the technology, it’s how people and COMPANIES will use it)

@NotAbsolutelySure

7 ай бұрын

i mean that was a huge thing in the SAG strike, youre spot on, this isnt something thats 5 or 10 years away, its here now and companies are already trying to cut corners to cut costs lol

@lowkeyproductions6681

7 ай бұрын

@@NotAbsolutelySureSAG is huge ofc, but the place where I think AI has a bigger chance of infiltrating somewhat unchallenged is post. AI editors, sound engineers, music. All of that creative touch could disappear and most people won’t notice. They might feel *something* is off, because everything feels even more generic and less masterful in lower levels of the industry (where this will happen first). But they won’t be able to put their finger on it.

@NotAbsolutelySure

7 ай бұрын

@@lowkeyproductions6681 that makes a lot of sense, not looking forward to the consequences of this

Got recommended this after Hbombs video, and I really resonated with this. I think that the same kind of content slop scare applies to most art. I'm in school for game design, and something I worry over constantly is what if the only positions open to me are making soulless cashgrabs, the kind of games that actually do harm. Sure something like that would be a start, but I also feel like it would just absolutely kill me. I'm still not sure how to go about it. Thanks for your thoughts.

@NotAbsolutelySure

7 ай бұрын

holy shit lol i didnt think yt would actually put this in the up next off his full video, kinda neat yeah i totally understand that. i think in any industry we all hope we dont get stuck at the placeholder spot before finding the place we are supposed to be the best we can do for now is to just keep making stuff that knocks peoples socks off (also go check out @piratesoftware if youre in gamedev hes a fantastic resource and awesome creator)

I totally agree with you. I don't blame Hbomb for not including this in his conversation because the video was already so long, but the main fear is how amazing AI is at plagiarizing, and how little is being done about it. It just completely ruins the system, and the system has been falling apart for a decade already. I really enjoyed this video, keep it up!

@NotAbsolutelySure

7 ай бұрын

lawmakers (at least in the us) are wayyyy behind on this stuff too, half of them barely know how to work their iphones though so im not holding out much hope lol thanks for watching!

I can't say I've watched hbomberguy's stuff before, but I'm very interested in seeing his point of view. I follow a lot of different channels and different creators, and it's wild what catches and what doesn't. If the white noise of short production could be filtered out, I think we'd generally overall have so much more appreciation for creativity. On that note, gonna support the hell out of ya and those who give it their all.

@NotAbsolutelySure

7 ай бұрын

It was my first time engaging with his content but it was pretty refreshing to see someone actively call out not only plagiarism but also the sneaky forms of it. There's a lot of "loopholes" that people can try to use to get out of it (throwing credits in the description when you ripped off the whole thing) and he flat out said "fuck off" to that. And as always, thanks :) Small creators kick ass

Hbomb fan. This is a really touching and well made video. You're doing good work dude. And yes, Noah is goated

@NotAbsolutelySure

7 ай бұрын

Thank you! That means a lot And yeah every time I hear people say there's a lot of crap on KZread the first thing that pops into mind is Noah, he is an absolute bastion of quality, thoughtful stuff on here

Commenting for the algorithm but also to say that you made great points about how terrifying AI is on just releasing sludge at a rate that we as actual humans can't deal with. That stuff is gonna absolutely hurt creative output from extremely talented people who have amazing things to say because "Well what's the point the sludge is burying it". I think about how scary it is that video essays were commodified to the point where they're not even written by the people profiting off of them anymore.

@NotAbsolutelySure

7 ай бұрын

genuinely agree on all accounts, AI is a lot scarier than some people make it out to be and the plagiarism video pointed out that not only are people stealing, but that they are already shitty writers, i can very easily see the next step for some of these dipshits being using ChatGPT to write out entire video essays

Hurts and hard to hear. All we can do is keep trying.

@NotAbsolutelySure

7 ай бұрын

amen

Just finished watching your wedding witch video since it showed up in my recommended and while i went to steam to check it out, i decided to see what else you uploaded since I like your style! and well here i am now... I Watched the Hbomb video right when it dropped and even just as a viewer it left an impact on me, learning how so many small creators get ripped off is sickening to me, the only thing i wish Hbomb would have touched on more in the video would have be how reaction "content" is just plagiarism, but in board daylight, or at least that's how i view it, after watching DarkViperAU's takes on react content... (I can recommend looking his "Why React Content Harms Everyone" video series up if your interested) Also both you and Hbomb brought up the point about AI and how scary it can feel to a lot of creators, as an amateur AI programmer/technician I completely agree and understand that worry, I have been tinkering with AI voice, text and image generation for the past year since it interested me deeply and watched how much it evolved in that short amount of time, the sad part is, as someone who hates plagiarism I can't have an impact, no one can... It's up to Facebook/Meta with LLaMA 2, OpenAI with ChatGPT, Google with Bard and Mircosoft with Azure AI to stop stealing their users content to train their LLM's, issue is... At this point everyone has hit agree on a TOS about sharing their data freely with these services, so not much we can do about it now... AI can be a great tool to create fantastic, funny, thought provoking or even helpful content at times!... IF it is used correctly and not lazily shat out by someone going onto ChatGPT and slamming their head on the keyboard... Take for example DougDoug on KZread, he uses AI in a lot of his videos to make creative new works and funny content! But as you pointed out in your video the quality standard has dropped off a cliff with KZread Shorts, and TikTok (Hence why I try and avoid both like the plague) and people who just steal some voice actors voice and slam it into Speechify and records some Reddit post, are the bottom of the barrel... I would say its a KZread problem at this point, with the sheer amount of creators on the platform, and with the huge amounts of creators the average user subscribes to, I think KZread should pivot from Hbomb's types of videos being the exception, rather for that type of content to become the norm, give people time to work their creativity and produce masterpieces, rather then low effort slop... AKA React content, AI Reddit post readings, etc... Anyway sorry for the long rant, I had to pause your video, much like you paused Hbomb's just to give my two cents as someone who works with AI on a daily basis... Also I subbed hoping that KZread MIGHT give me your content in my feed again in the future!

@NotAbsolutelySure

7 ай бұрын

i appreciate the thoughtful response and the sub! i think theres definitely a use case for AI its just hard to laugh at the dumb stuff that comes out of it when its already being leveraged to eliminate jobs and art, i didnt even think of all the things we just say yes to and sign away our rights to not have our data used to train learning models lol thats kinda terrifying

I love your perspective. Keep up the good work!

@NotAbsolutelySure

7 ай бұрын

thank you!

I agree with most of this but I wouldn't say that people fail on youtube because their content sucks. Plenty of good channels don't succeed and many terrible channels do. It is more about appeasing the algorithm.

@NotAbsolutelySure

7 ай бұрын

I dont think (?) i directly said that but if I did it was definitely due to the unscripted nature of this video and not at all what I meant. I know I said at one point that shit content fails, which is true, but I definitely touched on how hard it can be to put out decent things that get the algorithm boost in time before someone puts out a lower effort thing that hits the algorithm faster I personally struggle with the title/thumbnail side of it. Once people start watching my videos they typically watch a fair bit, the problem is getting them there in the first place :/ Lots of good content creators just burn out trying to break into this too, its hard playing the game. Apologies if what I said came off as dismissive

I think a lot of the points you brought up about the payoff relative to effort invested were very interesting. Now if you’ll excuse me, I have a review of Wedding Witch to watch. Lol but I do wanna say one thing about the whole background footage thing. While it is of course funny to use game footage for a video on this subject, one minor difference from something like subway surfers is that the point of a lot of those games as backing footage is that it doesn’t have a conclusion or resolution, so it can go on without being at all satisfying at the end of the video, while in this, it almost seems like you made a point to show the end of that raid or whatever (I don’t play that game) and it kinda stuck out to me, especially since you drew that connection to other kinds of backing footage. I won’t say that I think it’s a good thing generally to make a video with any kind of unrelated visuals but in this case it works pretty well for me at least. Also, since I hear citing your sources is all the rage now, what I’ve said about the footage stuff is partially taken from a video I saw on a related/similar subject.

@NotAbsolutelySure

7 ай бұрын

i took an extra minute or two to show the end of that raid at the end yeah lol, its a good point you make about the subway surfers shit never ending, kinda keeps you in the scrolling loop enjoy the wedding witch video! lmao

man, how did this just come off your dome? just finished the hbomb video and this was a great follow up

@NotAbsolutelySure

7 ай бұрын

What can I say im build different LOL Nah I just had a lotta thoughts goin around my head while watching. There was definitely more I couldve said and I couldve been less rambly but thats the nature of unscripted content

Poignant, indeed. It's bleak, but I hope genuine and sincere creative circles will proliferate in spite of it all. The quality of your heart is conveyed, unquestionably.

@NotAbsolutelySure

7 ай бұрын

Thank you! Thats why dumbasses like me put so much time into making this stuff usually, the hope that the good will rise to the top with time and effort

Tbf, because you DIDNT have a link to wedding withc, i just gone to steam and actually bought the game, its quite cheap and was a nice expirience, i wish there would be more replayability to it. It was quite fun few hours.

@NotAbsolutelySure

7 ай бұрын

yeah idk what dude was complaining about lol

@MDG-mykys

5 ай бұрын

I'm confused, having a link would have stopped you from buying it?

I'm one of those who found your channel because of the booba witch game, I wachted it, though it was funny and useful since I was looking for another take on the vampire saviours gameplay and that was that. Also I think you're underselling it a bit here, it may seem low effort to you but to me, "funny low effort" content is actually very hard to come by, so on my scale that video has a much higher value than you would think. On the other hand those AI reddit videos are very dry and can never really compete. Trying to make it as a content creator is very scary and chruning out sludge is low risk high reward. I don't have anything in specific to say to your main points that's just how it is, speed and quantity is the name of the game and at the end of the day it works because ppl watch it, specially the younger demographic. But calling it open market is very missleading since you have to use social media sites, like youtube, and you have to comply by their rules and they decide if your content shoudl be pushed or not, so this is just as corporate as anything else really. Now about those bathtub livers or whatever, equating their content to anything close to good is going too far lol, they make the twitch equivalent to the sludge you're complaining about here, bathtub streams are the definition of gaming the system, you can make the effort to make cool content or alternatively if you're hot, you can just exist half naked on screen. I agree that they're not stealing viewers from anyone, since that's pretty much softcore porn and ppl who go on twitch for that won't watch an old man playing games or anything like that. I have a feel problems with hbomberguy's video but this comment is already long enough, i'll just say it's strange that he just makes a passing joke about reaction content and moves and is even cool with ppl who make such content like hasan while he also makes an effort to dehumanize and attack the internet historian's viewers calling them racists and anti semitic and so on. Keep in mind that i'm talking about how he insulted the viewers and has nothing to do with his criticism towards the creator himself, but acting petty like that makes your argument lose some weight.

@NotAbsolutelySure

7 ай бұрын

Yeah I dont particularly agree with the free market comparison but that comparison is made a LOT so it felt worth addressing as false And the bathtub streamers weren't what I was referencing, the sentiment I was talking about is how a lot of middle aged dudes that stream get upset that women have boobs, like literally thats it. Women streaming the same games as them, the same way as them, but these dipshits get angry because they have boobs therefore they gain more views (?) in their mind? I dont really follow the logic, hottub streamers weren't what I was referencing though thats a whole nother conversation I do appreciate that you came from the booba witch video though, I honestly dont know how many people that saw and subbed from that are going to stick around longterm lol but its nice to know theres a few of ya

@Danielss250

7 ай бұрын

@@NotAbsolutelySure I'm sorry, I though you were talking about the hottub meta since it's the only thing that would make sense there, because you know, twitch and boobs. In that case yeah you're totally right, it's sad to see and not even worth engaging with in my opinion. It's pretty much just cope.

@NotAbsolutelySure

7 ай бұрын

@@Danielss250 nah dont sweat it i shouldve clarified more in the video lol the issues with unscripted stuff it is 100% cope

This video made me interested in Mosa Lina. Might buy that game in the future.

@NotAbsolutelySure

7 ай бұрын

its a great game and hard not to reccomend at 5 bucks, hope ya do :)

This is a great rant

@NotAbsolutelySure

7 ай бұрын

thanks!

Thank you for voice

@NotAbsolutelySure

7 ай бұрын

thanks for watching :)

I totally get the commenter's (misdirected) anger, I have seen a couple of channels that post horny content specifically as clickbait, and will 'review' a game without even saying its name or its developers name. Going so far as to say like, "If you want a link give me money on Patreon" Unbelievably fucked up

@NotAbsolutelySure

7 ай бұрын

that obviously sucks but it was no reason to jump down my throat when they were just being lazy as fuck lol

Hey man, great video! I watched a youtuber called Josh Strife Hayes on how he got lucky, he basically said how luck is preparation meets opportunity, and he had made a ton of videos before his lucky moment, which was asmongold reacting to him. It was basically what happened to me with your wedding witch video, i thought your style was interesting and checked out your channel because of that. Also, your point on speed being important is very true, i skipped your videos on some of the stuff i already know about because i dont really know you as a creator very well, so i clicked for the content and not for the person behind, but with quality, more people will watch you not because of the content, but because it is you. So quality is still very important for longer viewer retention. TL;DR keep up the good work and make more "preparation" for people who haven't found your videos yet and hopefully you will meet more "opportunities" in the future. (P.S. the video about the luck thing is called "just work hard and you will succeed lol" if anyone wants to watch it)

@NotAbsolutelySure

7 ай бұрын

thats something ive definitely grappled with but im kinda settling on the fact that even if the videos dont do well in the moment, as long as im proud of them, hopefully in the long run people who sub and recognize im like *alright* at this go back and watch my other stuff eventually, so just making good videos is the focus atm i think its gotta be a mix for me for sure though, content that catches new eyes and content thats just something i really wanna make, thats why i made the "Certified NAS Classics" playlist, so anyone who finds me and likes what I do can go watch what I consider to be the stuff thatll hold up with time Thanks for watching and the encouragement :) Also, Josh kicks ass

Honestly hbomb needed to say this wanna have a laugh look at the DayZ community, big creators have been sucking the ideas and videos off smaller creators for years now 😂

@NotAbsolutelySure

7 ай бұрын

it can be wildly bad in gaming communities especially when its the same game forever people just start copying videos like nuts (league of legends and tarkov come to mind)

@ryanjamesbaldock5370

7 ай бұрын

@@NotAbsolutelySure yeah bro for me it’s so disingenuous and whenever a smaller creator tries to say Anything (in the dayz community) they get attacked and black listed , we will see I think the pendulum is going to swing back soon

I really hope that supporting people doing cool things and calling out thieves will be enough. It's ultimately up to viewers to: 1) Care about the quality and nature of the media they consume 2) Reward creators (like, comment, sub, etc.) or "Punish" (call out, properly critique; NOT threaten or attack) bad actors 3) Be mature adults when engaging in social platforms 4) Curb biases during discussions and debates Also, KZread and other social media platforms need to step in and punish content thieves. Honest Content Creators have it rough, in my opinion. It sucks that you can put more time and effort into a video that you are proud of, but it performs much more poorly when compared to another video just because of 'boobas' or the genre doesn't match with the greater audience, or another creator put out their video first, etc. *Sigh, I really miss TheWarOwl's PUBG videos. I no longer play Counter Strike or PUBG, but the opening, music, camera angles, video cuts, and commentary were just fantastic! Unfortunately, WarOwl himself said that he discontinued the series since the videos didn't perform as well as his regular CS content. That's such a shame =(

@NotAbsolutelySure

7 ай бұрын

its a harsh reality a lot of creators face, the videos we enjoy doing (and that appeal to a more niche audience) dont pull enough attention to justify doing them over things that have a higher chance to take off. for some people the art of it outweighs the eyes on it, but it can really suck making something you think is great and then not a soul sees it :/

What ive gotten out of this video is that now i have to see the boobie game video 😂.

@NotAbsolutelySure

7 ай бұрын

lmao, its still out there, taunting me and gaining views by the second…

Yea and his best friend's with a guy doing the same thing he hates.

@NotAbsolutelySure

7 ай бұрын

im sorry but i dont understand?

But then you see the people becoming rich. It’s not content creators making good content. It’s nothing more than modern day trash media. People we used to make fun of for being in jerry springer are now millionaires like Logan Paul or destiny. That’s just modern time. You aren’t rewarded for your talent or hard work. Just how trashy you can be. Or be like Taylor swift and cry about not being able to get a boyfriend even though you basically have all men lined up around the block begging for you

Defending tiddy streamers was kinda random but the rest of the video raises good points.

@NotAbsolutelySure

7 ай бұрын

Wasnt defending titty streamers, I was talking about normal streamers (that are women) doing normal streams that these gremlins have decided are "stealing" their views because boobs lol. absolutely unfounded and whiny Tiddy streamers are a different conversation entirely, and not one worth having for me or anyone like me because the people watching those streams weren't gonna watch anything I make anyways lol

Uhhh "people steal content" this, "they don't put in the effort" that, what does it matter? The majority of people want to watch trash content, low effort AI content, content which didn't take a lot of effort to create. Sure, most of also watch the occasional high effort high quality content, but that's like I said occasional and the people who only watch high effort content are the exception, not the rule. Why shouldn't low effort content be rewarded? It's what people want to watch, it's what brings in the cash, the viewers and the clicks. Content is being created to be consumed, the faster content is created the faster you can (theoretically) consume it. And consuming the content is what brings the rewards and I'm not just talking money, clicks, fame or whatever, it's hardwired into our brains that consuming something is good, it releases the hormones and bio-chemicals that make us feel good. What else is content and entertainment for other than making people feel good and providing release after they have done their work? Entertainment as an industry exists to make us more efficient in our work, by crushing boredom and releasing built up tension. We have seen this kind of industrial revolution once before. With it came the mass production of goods and I believe we can all attest to the fact that this increased the quality of our lives immensely in the long run. Now is the time for the AI revolution and the start of the mass production of services and the mass production of content. When the market is flooded with cheap and low quality products, those who are fine with those will pay less and those who seek higher quality will just have to see what rises to the top. The rise of low quality content is a good thing, sure it looks bad currently, but wait until we have reached the breaking point, once the waveform collapses the truth is revealed. *incoherent rant over, reply if you want, do note that sanity is not included

@NotAbsolutelySure

7 ай бұрын

I gotta be honest, I completely disagree Low effort content isn't the problem, low *quality* content is, and comparing AI to the industrial revolution? I dont know man. The industrial revolution was a huge spike in the quality of life overall for a lot of people because there was a ton of jobs that got created out of nowhere so a lot of people that never had money or food or anything to their name suddenly were introduced to all of those things. There was worker exploitation problems and shit working conditions and we've been experiencing the slow decline and pendulum swing out of that, but thats besides my point here My point being, AI is actively producing the exact opposite of the industrial revolution. It is eliminating jobs because at the end of the day businesses are businesses and theyre gonna choose whatever gets the job done the cheapest. Quality doesn't matter to them, and the idea that those who can afford to seek out quality will do so is flawed as well because in this not so distant future the only people who will be able to afford to purchase higher quality things will be the ones overseeing the production of low quality things. I understand the want for progress but it is undeniably moving far too quickly and at this rate by the time we put the brakes on it, its gonna be too late. AI is cheap now because there's tons of investor money getting pumped into the programs, but once the learning modules have done their learning and its no longer financially viable or even when its no longer profitable the money will dry up and normal people wont have access to the AI that they fed data to. Its a remarkably anti-human thing as funny as that sounds I appreciate you commenting, but yeah, completely disagree

@AnonD38

7 ай бұрын

@@NotAbsolutelySure I appreciate the fact you looked over the less sane parts of the comment. (Also you've got a crazy response time for the amount of text you wrote). I understand that you see the negative things AI has created in the short term and therefore believe a large scale implementation would also end negatively, however I want to bring up some counterpoints to this. You say that AI can't create another industrial revolution and is in fact anathema to it, due to the fact it: - makes jobs redundant - corporations are assholes - low quality BUT, isn't that *exactly* what the industrial revolution was in the beginning? - the mechanical loom (and other machines) made weavers's jobs (and those of many others) redundant and caused great anger and financial instability for those whose jobs were threatened - the only ones able to afford production machines were asshole business owners/ rich people who usually treated their workers like actual cattle - the initial products were of lower quality than their hand-made equivalents And yet we still saw what you brought up: - spike in qol - tons of new jobs - steadily increasing working conditions You say we progress far too quickly, but I must vehemently disagree! We are progressing at a snail's pace! The economy is down, people are upset, there is fires burning everywhere! We need a fundamental shake up of society to correct our course from plunging into the event horizon of entropy, to just barely getting out of the singularity's gravitational pull. A pandemic hasn't been able to achieve this, wars across the planet haven't achieved this, why? Because there was no gain (personal or otherwise) there was no GROWTH. Growth is the nature of life, without it we stagnate and if we stagnate for too long we die. You say that eventually AI will no longer progress because investor money dries up. Why should it? The bigger the growth, the greater the return on investment, investment only stops if the growth stops and currently AI's potential for growth has not even reached the proximity of it's limit (which would be storage space and computational power requirements). Besides that I can speak from personal ...confidants that AI technology is no longer (perhaps you could say hasn't been for a long time? whatever) just in the hands of the big players. I know a multitude of smaller developer groups who make use of and improve the foundations laid by OpenAIs (and other's) opensource AI projects. (and I can tell you the stuff I see is getting me giddy with excitement) But even if we disregard all the opensource AI projects and AI indie development, the greatest sources of progress sometimes come from the pillars of what we think is regressive or conservative. To go back to the industrial revolution for example: workers rights were terrible at the start of the industrial revolution and yet they eventually improved. Why? Certainly the pressure the working class exuded was a part of it, but where did the first social security come from? It was brought into existence by the house of lords in England, it was the "dirty and slimy" (don't get me wrong, most of them were, but not all) property owners who brought it into existence. Where did the first social insurance come from? It was created by the Prussian PM and Chancellor of the German Empire: Bismarck. Saying that corporations and property owners and rich people are only capable of taking and not giving is false. We need to return to the times when company leaders listened to the workers and acted on their behalf, BUT also when workers gave their all and had the success of the company as their priority. Respect is a two way street. *rant over, reply if you want, gotta take me meds

@NotAbsolutelySure

7 ай бұрын

You make some good points but reading this over I just think we have a fundamental difference in how we view the cogs that spurred history and the nature of people, rich OR poor Yeah, the lords and leaders were always the ones that implemented workers rights but it was never just out of the blue lol, it was always a response and more importantly, a concession Almost every social change in history was a response to an overwhelming amount of negative public sentiment. It was to quell the masses so they didnt rip anyone apart. I also think that people just suck lol, rich, poor, the lot of us just kinda suck Yes, respect is a two way street, but too far down either road and its difficult to turn back. I should amend what I said before, its not that we're progressing too quickly, its that we're progressing too quickly without having installed the brakes. There's a lot of nasty shit going on in the world right now and a lot of unhappy people, sure, but there's going to be a lot more unhappy people soon if nothing is done to at the very least regulate AI The sad part is that most of the politicians not just in the US but worldwide are a billion years old and barely know how to work an iphone lol, if you tell them about AI learning modules they'll try and build it a school, they just dont understand it enough to properly legislate around it and thats the part that scares me, not the progress, but the completely rampant (there is no other word for it) stealing from all of us that is feeding these programs. I actually really like some of the stuff thats coming out of AI, but until we can stop or slow down the negatives, in my opinion, we cant really care too much about the positives. Its hard to enjoy a stiff drink when someones stabbing you in the foot, ya know? Also the reason I was so quick to respond was I was already at my computer editing lol, I also just write fast. Thanks again for commenting, feel free to respond but I probably wont respond if theres another comment because I REALLY have to finish this edit haha@@AnonD38

@AnonD38

7 ай бұрын

@@NotAbsolutelySure I know you have things to do, so it's cool if you don't respond. You say that we have a fundamental difference in perspective, that is correct. You seem to embody the role of pessimist in regards to AI (and some other topics), while I embody the role of optimist. Yes, I apologize if I made it sound like the improvements to working conditions came out of nowhere, like all things there is context, there is a reason, a why to the how. You say that these improvements were in response to social pressure and pressure of socialists (which should be differentiated), but leaders spend the majority of their time by responding to things, so that's natural. Plotting the course forwards is one of their responsibilities, but so is tackling basically every problem those they lead come to them with. You complain that leaders nowadays usually can't keep up with technological advancement and that, in my opinion, is completely fine, as long as they have advisors who can keep up with it. The role of a leader is not to know everything, that is impossible, the role of a leader is to know those they lead, know how the decisions the leader makes affects them and be able to make reasonably fast and good decisions, often (hopefully always) taking in other's advice while doing so, in the first place. Sadly we spend our valuable votes nowadays not for those who understand those they lead or those who can make decisive decisions, we use them to turn politics into a popularity contest, turning national policy into an episode of the Kardashians, while the people who care for the country weep. (I am not from the US btw lol) Ahem, I got side tracked my bad, so: you said that the decisions made (for better working conditions) were always concessions, but I argue they were compromises. The intersection of the wants and needs of two different people or groups at a commonly agreed denominator. It doesn't matter if we have different intervals and frequencies, as long as we can come to harmony. A concession is the greatest realistic outcome for both sides. The closest to a perfect decision a leader can make. And to further strengthen my point: I specifically mentioned Bismarck's social insurances. Because they were not a concession at all, they were an attempt to undermine the socialist party's projected success during the coming elections by attacking their voter base, while at the same time increasing nation wide efficiency. This turned out to be a failure, the parts of the public sympathetic to the socialists did not vote for more conservative parties and Bismarck had to begrudgingly accept that his parliament now had a majority of seats occupied by the socialists. You say these "concessions" were only made to "quell the masses" and "stop them from tearing people apart" but that is not true! That is a misinterpretation in the best case and historical revisionism at worst! If we look at Prussia and the German Empire again for example: they had the greatest standing Army of Europe, they had one of the most experienced paramilitary forces ("police-ish") available to the parliamentary monarchies and they were known for making use of this force against the socialists and were very successful at choking out any embers of revolt. There was no immediate need for any concessions. The compromises came, because the leaders realized just how beneficial a policy like a social insurance would be for everyone. And instead of stopping the socialists from gaining control of the treasury via their majority in parliament, by using the state organs of monopolized violence, they allowed the will of the people to be respected. Not because they were forced, not because of coercion or deception, but because they were good leaders and realized that the way forward for their nation was the adoption of certain policies. That is the mark of a true leader, being able to make a decision one absolutely disagrees with, because it is the *right* decision to make. Also I disagree that AI "just steals from artists". While there are programs which simply copy things you give them, the AIs like midjourney that create art for example actually learn how to do art. The mathematical solution to art. We do not think about it, but art has a mathematical structure to it. While an artist might think "here I need a stroke to the right" an AI calculates based on probability "here I need to increase a vector's direction on the X-axis into the positive". Yes, it can learn from art made by others, but more amazingly it can learn from it's own art fed back to it. The randomized nature of each created picture allows you to course correct via the AI's own work. You can for example make 100 AI pictures of a cartoon character, of these pictures you take those pictures where you detect positive traits: eyes that look more like you imagined, hands that look more like you imagined, face...whatever. You then feed these pictures back into the AI and it will now draw pictures which take these lessons you have learned into consideration by altering the equation. Theoretically an AI which through an Algorithm is forced to continually draw and read it's own pictures would never create the same two pictures. Similar? Yes, but not the same. *rant over; I have had much fun being able to hold an intellectual conversation/debate/rant again, I don't normally get the chance to; It's fine if you don't respond, that would be the reasonable course of action, I notice myself just how much time I have invested in this