“Salt Lake City is in the Southern US.” Tell me you’re Canadian without telling me you’re Canadian.

@jaske41

Ай бұрын

I guess when you're in Canada pretty much anywhere in the US is considered south

@red3here

Ай бұрын

He never said it was.

@KillJoy323

Ай бұрын

@@red3hereread the title lol

@FAITHandLOGIC

Ай бұрын

@@red3here You didn't listen

@MILSPECMOM

Ай бұрын

@@red3here 00:49 Open your ears before you open your mouth.

Quebec City is my favorite city in northwestern Canada

@TheBoneduster

Ай бұрын

Thats funny lol

@rentonarc

Ай бұрын

Queerbec

@DarylRenz

Ай бұрын

You mean the welfare province.

@markfeland2285

Ай бұрын

🤣🤣 Just a couple hours from Edmonton and Calgary

@TheBoneduster

Ай бұрын

@@markfeland2285 Just a quick bus ride to Yellowknife really

As someone that lived in SLC and can actually speak on the matter - Utah has a phenomenal sports culture. Utah Football has sold out every single home game of 50,000+ for 83 games straight and is one of the loudest/hardest stadiums for away teams. BYU lead the Big 12 in attendance. The Jazz have sold out 282 straight games even after trading away their core 2 seasons ago to rebuild. The new arena already has approval and will be help host the WINTER olympics. The ECHL Grizzlies also have great attendance numbers and host a rowdy & passionate crowd like all Utah teams do. The SLC-Provo-Ogden area population is 2.7 million that will help grow the game if given a team. I see 0 reasons as to why an NHL team won't find success in Utah.

@rockyj5047

Ай бұрын

100% correct. I would bet by the end of the year this Utah team will have one of the best fanbases in the league and be a huge help towards making the NHL bigger in America. Great move in my mind, that being said there should be more Canadians teams.

@dsarmy1

Ай бұрын

Don’t forget that before the Grizzlies we had the Golden Eagles of the IHL from 1969 to 1994. We got the Grizzlies when they moved from Colorado because the got the Avalanche. Then also don’t forget that SLC hosted the 2002 Winter Olympics and are definitely getting the 2034 Olympics.

Utah is not in the “Southern US.”

@sports2hedz542

Ай бұрын

Love the irony that Canadians display when Americans are ignorant about Canadian geography

@lelouchvibritannia4028

Ай бұрын

​​@@sports2hedz542I mean, Canada isn't known for anything outside of hockey, maple syrup, moose, geese, and on rare occasions, being brutal in war. The US is known for so much more.

@waynepilotte1371

Ай бұрын

You forgot about our sexy woman

@Peoplesuck333

Ай бұрын

Utah needs a hockey team like a hole in the head, f Utah nobody give a 💩 where it is 🤡’s. Quebec should be getting this team.

@mkultra5752

Ай бұрын

​@lelouchvibritannia4028 thats ignorant canada supplies america with every good comedian

Salt Lake City is further North than NYC. 🤔

@t.e.atheexclusiveasports3853

Ай бұрын

Not quite but almost

@sports2hedz542

Ай бұрын

This is surprisingly true...by 0.2 deg latitude...though it may depend on where the center of each city is measured from. For all intents and purposes they are the same.

@georgeo.61489

Ай бұрын

@@t.e.atheexclusiveasports3853 Salt Lake City: 40.7608° N New York City: 40.7128° N

@t.e.atheexclusiveasports3853

Ай бұрын

@@georgeo.61489 I see

When did Utah move south?

@craigharrison5406

Ай бұрын

When did people in Utah start caring about hockey is the bigger question.

@BillyJoeMcallister

Ай бұрын

@@craigharrison5406 The same was said about Carolina, Nashville, Columbus and Seattle. From off the top of my head...

@craigharrison5406

Ай бұрын

@@BillyJoeMcallister Columbus still doesn't care about hockey, Carolina only cares when they have a winning team but there is still plenty of seats available on most nights there. Nashville is the same.

@BillyJoeMcallister

Ай бұрын

@@craigharrison5406 OH. You should bring this up with the league.

@dsarmy1

Ай бұрын

Since the Golden Eagles played here when I was a kid.

As an American, I don't think we consider Salt Lake City as Southern US. We consider it "The Mountains" or Northwest. Either way, I think Salt Lake City could be an interesting relocation for the Coyotes and I believe Canada will probably get an expansion team soon anyways

@evanfeehan8212

Ай бұрын

No one in America considers Utah the south, this was a completely ignorant and biased report. The Canadian economy and poor attendance from current Canadian teams is what prevents them from getting an expansion team.

@pajamatime5750

Ай бұрын

@@evanfeehan8212Poor attendance? Winnipeg is the only team with issues.

@evanfeehan8212

Ай бұрын

@@pajamatime5750 Winnipeg, Ottawa, and Calgary all rank in the bottom 10 in attendance. I get that arena size can skew that but in that case the Jets average 89.3% of capacity, Flames 90.7%, and Sens notably better at 95.2 but for context Edmonton is next lowest at 98.3

@FischerFan

Ай бұрын

As a Canadian, I am delighted at the prospect of getting the Coyotes out of the desert and draining the League of multi-millions and into a market that is in a climate where it has successfully hosted a Winter Olympics.

@FischerFan

Ай бұрын

@@pajamatime5750 Excuse me, what about San Jose? The attendance figures there have been inflated all season long. Winnipeg has been hit hard by post-Covid inflation yet the team has still managed to sell out eight games. Their attendance can recover very easily.

Canadian teams always face two huge challenges: Exchange rate and small population compared to USA. Canadians love their hockey teams, we know that for sure. NHL can put a team in Halifax and it will sell out night after night. The problem? Once the attendance drops, the team will instantly face huge losses and struggle to stay afloat; just ask Winnipeg, Quebec City and Ottawa. NHL is a business, and sadly, US markets hold insurmountable advantages over Canada. Nothing personal, it's just business.

@ProggaWoggga

Ай бұрын

Maybe the NHL or the Canadian Govt have to do something to even the playing field?

@kiroolioneaver8532

Ай бұрын

Second teams would only work in the GTA and/or Metro Vancouver/Lower Mainland area maybe another team in Montreal

@grantp4022

Ай бұрын

When $ 1.00 US buys $ 1.36 Canadian -- (as now) you can see the problem. Canadian dollar is trading at 30 % less, and players are paid in US dollars. Very, very tough situation, for a smaller Canadian City. If the currencies were on par, or equal, the deal is makeable. Add to this, that a franchise costs are $ 750 million dollars, "US" dollars, so add + 30 % to that = $ 1 billion dollars. Do you think Quebec City with a population of 700,000 can afford that ??

@pomerlain8924

Ай бұрын

The Coyotes never turned a profit in 27 seasons in big market Arizona. A quarter century, and not one year in the black. But they were always excused and given chance after chance after chance, despite millions of dollars lost. That's good for business? And who helped subsidize those losses? The 7 Canadian teams who make up a third of the league's annual revenue. A Canadian team will stay afloat. This is not the mid-90s where Quebec City and Winnipeg needed new buildings to help them generate revenue. Winnipeg's ownership group owns their arena. It would be the same in Quebec City. You can't say it wouldn't be beneficial for the NHL to have the Battle of Quebec. This league has become so obsessed with trying to add new fans that they ignore the fans that they have and leave them behind.

@kiroolioneaver8532

Ай бұрын

@@pomerlain8924 So you're not wrong but (as you note) under Gary Bettman it seems the league doesn't want be in places where there's no opportunity for growth.

American Markets > Canadian Markets American Geography Education > Canadian Geography Education

Didn’t Salt Lake City host the Winter Olympics one year? They’re a cold state weather wise so they have hockey potential by default

@danmac9336

Ай бұрын

Yes 1960 and are expecting to in 2024

@carlospicon6598

Ай бұрын

It was actually 2002 and and 2034. Source - I live here in Salt Lake.. and have been playing hockey here all my life. Also, tough take not even knowing where Salt Lake is.

@lelouchvibritannia4028

Ай бұрын

2002 Olympics. Team Canada was stacked. Joe Sakic (team MVP), Steve Yzerman, Mario Lemieux, Paul Kariya, Rob Blake, Jarome Iginla, Al MacInnis, Adam Foote, Joe Niewendyke, Martin Brodeur, Ed Belfour, etc.

@Hoovie9596

Ай бұрын

1960 was Squaw Valley , California

Utah is not in the southern US, literally just look at a map

@red3here

Ай бұрын

He means in general not Utah it self.

@demarcdegasol

Ай бұрын

Its pretty southern straight up. Southern utah is def southern us

@FischerFan

Ай бұрын

@@demarcdegasol While extreme Southwestern Utah is part of the range of critters like the Mojave rattlesnake, SLC is situated pretty much right on the 40th parallel so, no, it is not a sun belt market.

@rexradar9297

Ай бұрын

Considering Utah's northern border is shared with California and Nevada (both considered southern states, most people would consider it south-ish. Reality is mid. Salt lake city is north of Denver however, so central US it is.

@DB-gr7ch

Ай бұрын

It is from anywhere in Canada...use the same map.

Give me a break! Comparing SLC with Des Moines! Saying Utah is not a sports haven is ignorant! Does Quebec City host world class events in winter sports every year? Curling championships, maybe? Utah is one of the fastest growing states with a number one economy. We have 2 billion set aside for hockey and MLB. The Olympics are coming back too.

@ThunderDogY2K3

Ай бұрын

I hope they get their MLB team also

Salt Lake City is more northerly than Denver Colorado.

I’d love to see another Canadian team but in this economy that Trudeau has destroyed it makes less sense than ever

Bryan is a Leaf fan, not a hockey fan. A few weeks ago he was calling Slafkovsky a bust because he never sees the kid play.

@MikeS29

Ай бұрын

He's brutal to listen to. One of the least informed people on radio.

I live in Alabama, and I am tired of the NHL not putting a team in Quebec. To be fair, Utah is an untapped market and they can "grow the game" but I am tired of a city that is NHL ready, has a legitimate NHL past, and has a rabid fan base not being considered because it won't draw new fans or whatever.

@FischerFan

Ай бұрын

Ah, by chance were you around in the WHA days? Had the League lived to see the 1980s, the Birmingham Bulls could've become Avco Cup champions. Michel Goulet started his career with the team before ending up with the Nordiques. The young Bulls also included the likes of Rick Vaive, Rod Langway, Craig Hartsburg, Pat Riggin, Gaston Gingras and Rob Ramage.

@marcob6880

Ай бұрын

it could have a little something to do with the Quebec government, I mean who knows?

@cliffordjordan9577

Ай бұрын

I live in Montreal, QC. This province doesn’t deserve an English, American business operating here. Our government could go fck themselves.

@grantp4022

Ай бұрын

When $ 1.00 US buys $ 1.36 Canadian -- (as now) you can see the problem. Canadian dollar is trading at 30 % less, and players are paid in US dollars. Very, very tough situation, for a smaller Canadian City. If the currencies were on par, or equal, the deal is makeable. Add to this, that a franchise costs are $ 750 million dollars, "US" dollars, so add + 30 % to that = $ 1 billion dollars. Do you think Quebec City with a population of 700,000 can afford that ??

@johnnyskinwalker4095

Ай бұрын

it's crazy because Quebec is a crazy hot market for hockey. They literally filled arenas even when the Nords sucked. It's a garantee success.

Bettman hates canada.....he needs to go

@thomasdidymus1393

Ай бұрын

why would Canada 🇨🇦 get another team??? THE NHL and ALL of their owners (including the CANADIAN OWNERS) want AMERICAN DOLLARS 💸. Canada having more hockey fans per capita does not factor into the decision.

@TheSettlingTheWestShow

Ай бұрын

That explains why Bettman made the Oilers and Flames stay in Canada in the '90s and why he moved the Thrashers to Winnipeg. He does what the owner wants, while he can have his own opinion if his actions contradict the owners he loses his job and monster salary.

@ThunderDogY2K3

Ай бұрын

@@TheSettlingTheWestShow And just recently keep the Senators in Ottawa

Salt Lake City also has had an ECHL team for decades. They are averaging more than 6000 fans per game this year. Hayes only knows about the GTA, and even then it is a stretch.

Bettman doesn’t want to spoil us as Canadians! We are the true fans ❤ I so hope a Canadian Team wins the Stanley Cup and slap 👋 to you know who!

Canada’s school systems are lacking if your producer, on air talent and guest don’t know that Utah isn’t in the south

@red3here

Ай бұрын

He never said it was…..it’s in west?

@GFreeze1

Ай бұрын

Buddy the South for us is anything below North Dakota eh

@demarcdegasol

Ай бұрын

Who cares. It borders new mexico, thats southern to me.

@zachroberts1988

Ай бұрын

@@GFreeze1 and North dakota is further north than where the majority of canada's population lives... lol

@Hoovie9596

Ай бұрын

Southwestern USA

“Canadians always support The NHL.” Is that why Winnipeg is having trouble selling out an undersized arena, while the team is having one of its best seasons in their history?

@red3here

Ай бұрын

That’s Winnipeg.

@FAITHandLOGIC

Ай бұрын

You can blame your shitbag PM for the economy and Covid lockdowns. Winnipeggers can't even afford ice in Canada.

@Janet-dougheth

Ай бұрын

Youve never been to Winnipeg. So many Canadian cities that could sell out five arenas in the area. Weak.

@pajamatime5750

Ай бұрын

If you had to walk through what there is to walk through getting to the arena you wouldn’t go either

@Bum_Hip

Ай бұрын

@@Janet-dougheth how do you know I have never been to Winnipeg? 😂

Quebec city has a population of 600k, and not growing significantly. I understand why the NHL wouldn't go there

@markfeland2285

Ай бұрын

Salt Lake City is a lot smaller

@scottmiller8617

Ай бұрын

@markfeland2285 it's not a good choice either.

@kiroolioneaver8532

Ай бұрын

@@markfeland2285 Not in terms of metro population/TV market. If you just use city proper populations Winnipeg is technically bigger than Vancouver lol

@TheEdog37

Ай бұрын

@@markfeland2285it has a metro size of 1.1 million

@johnnyskinwalker4095

Ай бұрын

Quebec has a metro size of 800,000 I would say.

everything down from Canada is southern US imo

When $ 1.00 US buys $ 1.36 Canadian -- (as now) you can see the problem. Canadian dollar is trading at 30 % less, and players are paid in US dollars. Very, very tough situation, for a smaller Canadian City. If the currencies were on par, or equal, the deal is makeable. Add to this, that a franchise costs are $ 750 million dollars, "US" dollars, so add + 30 % to that = $ 1 billion dollars. Do you think Quebec City with a population of 700,000 can afford that ?? If the Canadian dollar rises to equal that of the US dollar, like it was about 8 years ago, then the deal could make sense $$$.

If we set aside the “canada or us” for location debate, and focus on potential revenue growth, Southern Ontario has to be considered. It’s crazy that we haven’t put a second team in the Greater Toronto Area. Markham, Brampton, Hamilton, or the Waterloo region all could carry a franchise.. Hell, you could put a team in all 4 of these areas (together) and they would all sell out. NY has 2 LA has 2 What’s the hold up Bettman 🤷

@James-nv1wf

Ай бұрын

Most of this population are providing huge profits to MLSE, perhaps we should be asking them too.

@kiroolioneaver8532

Ай бұрын

New York actually has three (with New Jersey) lol

Make it two teams in the US when the Yotes owner claims the expansion franchise it is promised...within 5yrs.

Everyone that’s ragging on the geography… have you ever talked to an American about Canadian geography? 😂

@jakestar121

Ай бұрын

let alone seeing if they can map out Europe or any other continent. it amazed me how my German friends knew more about the locations of the US States than some of my American friends 😂

@lordbyron8927

Ай бұрын

I can name all 21 Provinces and know the Capital is in Thunder Bay.

@t.e.atheexclusiveasports3853

Ай бұрын

Idk the whole Canadian geography but I know a decent bit

@brianjones7660

Ай бұрын

when Canada becomes significant , we will Google them and find out!

SLC literally has twice the metro area QC does. Not to mention the strength of US dollar vs. The canadian doll.

@russbarrett3086

Ай бұрын

This! I really don’t get how any adult doesn’t know the difference between city proper populations and metro populations. Someone needs to send this Canadian back to elementary school.

Salt Lake City's metro area (1.3 million) is double the size of Quebec City's. And does it really make sense to move a Western Conference team to Quebec and not the booming western city? Does it make sense to ignore the billionaire owner with the checkbook out who already owns a team that's selling out games consistently? Ignore the fact the state of Utah has $900 million of government money earmarked for a new arena? Nah, it's just big meanie Bettman ignoring you! Poor victim!

My US geography is pretty dodgy but I'm pretty sure that Utah isn't in the south.

Salt Lake City is as far north as Ohio and Ohio is usually considered north.

taxes bro, taxes..

Salt Lake City is a 9 hour drive from Canada 🤣🤣🤣. And the NHL is trying to increase viewers in the American market, which this move will do.

As a Canadian/American I understand that Americans are generally uneducated about Canadian geography. But do you have to return the favour? Salt Lake City is in the Rocky Mountains and is, in fact, further north than Denver. It is nowhere close to being a southern city and in fact, has hosted the Winter Olympics, because it is a winter sports mecca. Meanwhile the TV market in Salt Lake is 1.15 million households. Des Moines is 472,310. Sioux Falls is 276,580. I understand this is supposed to be a "hot take." But does it have to be so stupid?

Hayes is striking out all over the place. First of all, Salt Lake City isn't southern at all. And it's rapidly growing, unlike Quebec City. And he doesn't even mention they have supported the MLS team for years. And Smith already said he's willing to make upgrades to the Delta Center to host hockey.

You guys seriously dropped the ball on this and you should delete this ASAP 🤣

@red3here

Ай бұрын

How so?

@russbarrett3086

Ай бұрын

@@red3herethis Bryan douche had none of the population figures right. SLC metro has 1.4M people and CSA of 2.3M, Québec city has 800k metro. This dude is just so salty that a medium sized US city can support an NHL team when a supposed large Canadian city, Quebec City, can’t.

It is a hybrid of relocation/expansion cause the NHL os buying the team amd laundering it to the Utah owner....for a 200 million dollar profit. And the Yotes owner will make.enough on thw sale to buy an expansion franchise within 5 yrs. So, it is an expansion, in a way.

NHL not expanding in Canada because No major corporate sponsors in quebec city, saskatoon, regina, or kamloops.

It snows in SLC. The 2002 Winter Olympics were in SLC, and they’re likely to host another future Olympics. It’s not a “southern US state”

"they will always support the nhl" brosephine...winnipeg, like a month ago, talked about moving lmao.

@jordanschulz6148

Ай бұрын

Didn’t talk about moving. They said that ticket sales at current level are unsustainable and if go unchecked Winnipeg wouldn’t be able to spend to the cap and be competitive every season. Do you only read the headlines?

SLC, hasn't had any other sport history outside the Jazz? does this guy live under a rock, Olympics in 2002, and is the top location for an Olympics in 2030 or 2034, hope he does this for free because if he's getting paid for this, he's ripping TSN off! SLC/Utah is growing city/state, and growing fast, keep crying! Smith and his group are bringing in young blood to the ownership something this league needs, he is motivated and I think when the players meet him and converse they will see this is a breathe of fresh air, and will find opportunities to give these players a chance to win

I'M A DIE HARD KINGS FAN BUT WOULD EXPAND TO CANADA. BRING BACK QUEBEC NORIQUES, HAMILTON TIGERS OR HAMMERS, WINDSOR AVIATORS, HALIFAX LIONS, SASKATOON CARIBOU, AND VICTORIA VOYAGERS.

@brianjones7660

Ай бұрын

@@Andrew_Holt drug testing on the Internet should be a thing.....

People are forgetting the expansion draft if held in Quebec would even the field. This isnt the 90s. But does it draw new fans. Small new generation at most. So many factors

Houston, Hamilton, Quebec, 2nd team in Toronto and Atlanta AND AND AND..... a television contract that makes sense and that fans can find!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am in the U.S. and I cant stand these southern U.S. teams, I would love to see more Canadian teams, I miss the days of the Quebec Nordiques, it would be great if Coyotes moved to Canada instead

@FischerFan

Ай бұрын

What is your favorite brand of beer? I'd like to buy you a two-four along with some steaks for you to enjoy. Once Seattle was knocked out of the playoffs last year, I tuned out for the remainder of them. I REFUSED to allow any of those all-sun belt matchups on my television set! Because I don't support the existence of those teams and what they represent, I had no teams left to cheer for. If people want to guilt me about it, I immediately counter them. 'Well, how am I any worse than those American viewers and television networks who immediately tune out of, or cover, matchups between Canadian teams?'. Somebody could offer me free tickets to any game in places like Anaheim, Raleigh, Phoenix, Sunrise, etc. and would refuse them. As a long-time Habs fan, the rivalry my team had with the Nordiques was a marvelous one...and hockey needs its return. Anybody who remembers Good Friday 40 years ago remembers where they were while they watched the War of Quebec rage on in its most defining moment.

@danmac9336

Ай бұрын

I've actually been to a Hartford Whalers Quebec Nordiques game while it might be cool neither of those teams are coming back the NHL wouldn't grow the game in either case. Both still make a lot of merchandising money. WTF would they not grow revenues

@chrisnewsome2589

Ай бұрын

Tired of losing to the Canes, Lightning, Panthers, and Stars huh?

@pomerlain8924

Ай бұрын

@@danmac9336 This obsession with growing the game is stupid. There are plenty of ways to grow the game that do not involve giving an unproven market a new team. The MLB, NFL, and NBA have no problem growing the game using methods that do not involve putting teams in unproven markets. Hence, they are far ahead of the NHL in revenue. The NHL needs to remember the fans that they do have. The constant need to appease new fans isn't helping the game. They want to grow the game, but they'll place games on an exclusive channel and constantly have blackouts? The league would not go broke with a team in Quebec City. The league would not lose viewers by having a team in Quebec City. If anything, a team in Quebec City would open people's eyes to what how good a market Quebec City actually would be. Especially during the Battle of Quebec, where they play the Habs.

@danmac9336

Ай бұрын

@@pomerlain8924 Jacksonville, Carolina , Nashville NFL does go to unproven markets but lie to yourself all you want

I started losing interest in the NHL 2-3 years ago...No Canadian team has won a cup in 30 years so why watch if you don't stand a chance? Seriously, I went from watching up until 2021 75-82 Leafs games per season plus maybe 30-40 other Canadian team games down to 15-20 Leafs games per season and maybe 2-3 other Canadian team games. I'm cancelling my cable package probably for good after this post season, the only reason why I ever had cable was for NHL hockey....now my interest is going right out the window.

@benmacdonald4752

Ай бұрын

Stop being such fucking baby bro. " my team doesn't win this sport is dumb 😢" hope whatever team you cheer for never wins

Id love to Que City get a team back and have one on the east coast.

You will need major American markets in expansion to support bringing in smaller Canadian ones. Expand to 36 teams. Salt Lake City, Houston, Atlanta and Quebec.

I think if the Yotes moved to Quebec City it might cause some extra disruption. They would (I'm guessing) become part of the Atlantic division & force (I'm guessing) Detroit into the Central division. As a fan it would be fun to see more chances for Montreal/Quebec & Chicago/Detroit to murder each other, but I'm not sure if the Redwings would want to move to the Central division because of perceived increase in travel time central division teams. Also, my understanding is that Gary wants to make the NHL into a league on par with the other big three, and in order to do that he needs to expand into new markets, not established markets. I would personally love to see Quebec City get the Nordiques back, but I don't think it would really expand the brand.

@FischerFan

Ай бұрын

'Also, my understanding is that Gary wants to make the NHL into a league on par with the other big three' And after more than thirty years of him as Commissioner, when is he going to wake up and realize that hockey will never challenge football or basketball for popularity in the U.S.? The recent phenom of the young female basketball player drew an audience of over 13 million in the U.S. for the women's March Madness final. Last year's Stanley cup final drew only 2 million. How many more years is it going to take before the painful truth is accepted?

As a Canadian from the prairie, I can understand why the NHL is not bringing another team to Canada….the point is to grow the game and there is no need to grow the game in Canada, also a second team is Toronto is absolutely ridiculous… Oh and Brian…. if you’re so confident in attendance in Canada, then why is Winnipeg having problems getting decent crowds with a solid team? Quebec would have sellouts for two years and then if the team sucked they would cast it aside just like the Nordiques

If the NBA had ten teams in Canada, and only six in the U.S. They would say the US is too familiar with Canada.

I read somehwere that Winnipeg is having a difficult time ?

Good luck selling hockey out there Bettman. The population of Salt Lake City is 204k., I live in the town of Oakville Ontario which has more people than that.

@EdV-et6qm

Ай бұрын

The Greater SLC area has a population of over 2.75 million (Including Odgen & Provo) plus they hosted the 2002 Winter Olympics and future 2034 Winter Olympics. SLC is triple the size of Greater Quebec City at 850k people and when you take average income it's almost 5 times the income. *** The MAIN thing is to get an owner(s) willing to pay a billion-dollar expansion fee for a team in Quebec City and NO ONE is presently applying for a new team in Quebec City. PS: Winnipeg with one of the best teams in the second-smallest NHL arena has over 2,500 empty seats per game this year and Winnipeg and Quebec City are the same sizes. Toronto proper before amalgamation was only 550,000 (1998) so if you take Toronto itself without Scarborough, York, North York, Etobicoke and East York would only be 680k but Great Toronto is 6.5 million hence you can NOT just say SLC is only 200k is like saying Toronto is only 680k.

@craigharrison5406

Ай бұрын

@@EdV-et6qm No it's 1.2 million in the salt lake surrounding area. The metroplolitan area has 2.75 million but that is a masssive piece of land. Brigham city is over an hours drive from salt lake. People from Brigham won't be driving to salt lake for an NHL game. The Olympics and the NHL are two very different things so I'm not sure why you mentioned that. The city of Toronto not the GTA has 2.7 million. You googled everything but that huh? Anyways we shall see if it sells there. Remember it took 3 decades for people to start attending NHL games in Florida. Those owners were losing money hand over fist during that period.

@EdV-et6qm

Ай бұрын

@@craigharrison5406 The 6 boroughs are now Toronto and that is 2.7 million, GTA includes York region (Markham, Vaughn, Richmond Hill) Durham region (Pickering, Whitby, Ajax) Peel Region (Mississauga, Brampton) and Halton Region (your place of Oakville and Milton) which has a population of 6.7 million. As for Brigham that is not included in the 2.7 million Greater SLC area but Provo and Odgen have over 1,2 million more possible fans and are under 45-minute drive. Salt Lake City's medium income is 54,500 USD or $74,600 Cdn (which is higher than Toronto medium salary) and that doesn't include the semi-rich suburbs of Provo to the south and Odgen to the North. SLC is a winter city ... that's why I brought WINTER Olympics into the conversation as hockey, skiing, and skating are already popular in SLC. Well Vegas and even Tampa Bay did well ... my best friend lives in Miami and the arena is like 1 hour drive from Miami next to the Everglades (I went to a game there and saw an alligator in the middle of the parking lot of the Panther's game) PLUS Utah is the fastest growing State in the 50 US States last year and same maybe for 2024.

@QuentinDude

Ай бұрын

​@@craigharrison5406 Florida-is-the-most-ovverated-sports-market....Sports-Leagues-are-always-trying-to-shove-teams-in-that-state-despite-constant-proof--people-dont-go-to-the-games.

@russbarrett3086

Ай бұрын

@@craigharrison5406SLC metro is much bigger than Quebec city’s. Stop being salty that the NHL keeps overlooking it.

I understand what Bryan Hayes is saying and I would love to see the rebirth of the Quebec Nordiques. However, moving the Coyotes to Quebec City is not practical as it would solve one problem and create another: realignment. The NHL does not want to have to deal with realignment again. What Eastern Conference team moves to the Western Conference in order for both conferences to be balanced? Detroit? Columbus? Or does Quebec City take Arizona's place in the Central Division.

Saskatoon Blades that is all

@stephenphillips6245

Ай бұрын

Would be like Green Bay and sell out every night, easily.

I remember hearing or reading a story several years ago about why Quebec isn't getting a team again. Not anytime soon anyway. Apparently the owner has said some nasty things in the past and has had a long history of trouble with the Molson family, who own the Canadiens. That Canadiens owner is on the Board of Governors for the NHL, and the Hockey Hall of Fame Board, as well as several others. There's no chance he wants Quebec in the league. On top of all of that, Quebec would be cutting into the Canadiens revenue and Molson definitely does not want that But I strongly dislike Bettman as much as most. So maybe he IS actually the one to blame

He sure is Jealous of a city he obviously knows absolutely zero about.

QUEBEC QUEBEC QUEBEC this is what makes the NHL so SAD 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢

I dont know why this is hard for Canadians to understand, the NHL is all about the money... Their is absolutely no new money they can make in any canadian market... Those fans already exist and thats just the cold hard facts!

@666mathew

Ай бұрын

There's no new money to be made for MLB, NFL, and NBA in the U.S. Why don't they move to Mexico and South America? Did the Coyotes ever make money? Even Nordiques were more profitable.

@Tompa8989

Ай бұрын

Those fans exists until they don't.

As someone who want the return of the Quebec Nordiques. It makes no sense for the coyotes to move to Quebec since it will make the league 22 east vs 20 west.

Bettman is moving the entire city to the southern US. Now we need new maps.😢

Canada make sure and fill the building in Winnipeg before complaining. They have a great product and it doesn’t matter.

I'm a Canes fan. Quebec hockey fans were such jerks to us when our attendance was struggling. I am loving the NHL in 2024! Canes are thriving and Quebec once again gets passed over for expansion/relocation, ha ha ha!!

Bettman - Focus on Southern Markets & ignores hockey communities. Also Bettman “Why does everyone keep booing me?”

@JarradBruessel32

Ай бұрын

Quebec city is the same financial situation as winnipeg. Winnipeg fan's cannot afford tickets. That's it.

@user-yg1dg6xm2g

Ай бұрын

The Jets can't fill their rink with fans, in a city with a population similar to Quebec City.

@bucketophil

Ай бұрын

You actually think Bettman wonders or cares why people boo him? lol

@FischerFan

Ай бұрын

@@user-yg1dg6xm2g How quickly people forget that they filled their rink over 330 consecutive games. When did that ever happen in Arizona or Atlanta?! Bring the ownership excuses!

@FischerFan

Ай бұрын

Because he's too much of an owner's commissioner and not enough of a fan's commissioner.

Wait, Canada has cities? Do players want to play in Canada?

Bettman needs to go. The NHL isn't his to do what he pleases. Someone else needs to step in and remove that corrupted bastard.

Canada is poor as fuck. Lots more money to be made in the US. Winnipeg is bleeding money. Quebec doesn't have $$$. Hayes is just looking to generate clicks. He's smarter than this.

all those saying Utah isn't south.... compared to Canada, it is!!! hahahahah

@PowerPackers90

Ай бұрын

it's still not a "southern state" thou

Yee haw partner. Let’s load us up some beer in our tailgates and go on down and watch some HOCKEY. Your darn tooting right. Come on billy bob let’s go

Don’t blame him. Who wants to deal with Quebec?

Quebec City should have, and deserve a team. But the NHL would never relocate a western team to a eastern market when the conferences have 16 teams each and exactly half of them makes the playoffs.

@fantasticvoyage262

Ай бұрын

Bingo. Quebec City screws up the alignment.

Salt Lake City is north of the great southern U.S. market of........Denver, Colorado.

Utah in south ....wtf

Coyotes had to stay somewhere out west to keep the conferences balanced. Red Wings and Blue Jackets are never moving back.

Every year they make the same argument even though they know exactly why it won’t happen. Stop beating the dead horse, please.

The reason Bettman focuses on the "Southern US" (Utah apparently teleported) is the revenue potentially is significantly higher. I also think Legault constant language war pretty much kills any interest the NHL would have in Quebec City.

I think Halifax is a great candidate. If you disagree, listen to the fans there at the world juniors with Bedard on the team.

@marcob6880

Ай бұрын

there is a big difference between 50 bucks for a great seat over what 40 games max including exies at the WJC! Versus an average of 250 bucks for the NHL seat x 41 games + exies and any luxury boxes in the depressed economy of the east coast.

To all those thinking any small Canadian market could support an NHL team…. Understand there’s a reason why neither Tuscaloosa, AL or Athens, GA don’t have NFL teams. Now apply the same logic.

Bettman really hates the idea of hockey being associated with Canada. The fact that Canada gives the NHL less players makes him really happy. And he doesn't care that most of the American NHL teams make little money. None of them are great markets and they bring little revenues.

Atlanta? Again?! Really? Bring back the Nordiques. I’m a Yank.

As a Canadian hockey fan I can't stand the complaining about Canadian cities getting overlooked. Salt Lake City has a metro population of roughly 1.2 million, it has money, and some of the best demographics. I think it will work very well as a NHL city. Canadian hockey fans need to accept that their are factors that make Canadian locations unrealistic. The 1.3 Billion that Salt lake is going to pay would be nearly 1.8 Billion Canadian. Hamilton is too small and does not have the corporate sponsorships or ownership, same with Halifax. Quebec City has a Metro population of about 800k and is much more French than Montreal. No free agents would ever sign there. They don't have a solid enough ownership group either. Then there is the second team in Toronto (Markham). Again, I dont think the NHL is interested in having another team in Toronto. They want to attract new fans and new markets. It would likely be stopped by the Leafs and it just does not make sense. Canada has a lot more taxes than the states and its much harder for teams to survive in Canada. I would love to see a team in Quebec City, and I am not completely ruling it out, but Salt Lake City makes far more sense than any Canadian city.

Quebec City is not getting a team. The market is too small (smaller than Winnipeg) and the Canadian dollar is shit. The BoG isn't interested in adding another team to their "Canadian Assistance Program". Plus, SLC works in the Western Conference; Quebec City does not.

Hey Bro does Quebeq city have a billion us ready to go?

Atlanta’s population since the Nordiques left Quebec City has grown by more than a 3 million. Quebec City presently only has 850k and in 1995 the city had only 667k. Atlanta now has 6.2 million plus a higher average income making Atlanta 8 times larger market. Winnipeg is the same size as Quebec City and presently has 2,500 empty seats per game in the smallest arena in the NHL after the Mullet Arena. Plus their is no owner willing to pay 1 billion dollar expansion fee and the 100 million/year salary cap plus employee required for an NHL team and think a profit can be made in Quebec City long term.

CANADA NEEDS TO FIX ITS ECONOMY IF THEY WANT A NEW NHL TEAM. like cmon fellas....

The business potential for another southern state team outweigh Quebec or any Canadian market. The goal for the league is turn the populace into hockey fans, combine with a big market like Atlanta or Houston and the reward is hard to resist. After the success of Las Vegas and Seattle I’m not surprise the league is overlooking Quebec.

It's all about media markets - of which Canada, the population size of California, has only a few major ones. More than half the franchises are worth less than a billion (USD). SLC is a growing metro (1,257,936 pop) in a winter sports mecca ... Metro Quebec City has 800,296. There are five Fortune 500 companies surrounding SLC. No contest, sorry. Tampa Bay is an attendance beast and one of the most valuable franchises - along with the Kings. We can always split the league - like the NFL and CFL. Let's see where the $$$ talent wants to go play.

At least it's not a f*cking desert! 🙄

Quebec City deserves the NHL. However, it's all about population, and the regional economy. I'd have liked to see Onrait compare the two. QC has a metro population of 840,000 . SLC is 1,200,000. SLC has a much more diversified economy and more tech. Why was the NHL in the infernally hot, dry Arizona desert in the first place? Phoenix is a boom town. QC is a beautiful, charming, historic place. But it is very old, and tired. SLC has grown from the foundation of the church to thriving metropolis. However, I don't know if hockey is a good bet for SLC. The ABA Utah Stars came to SLC because of the legacy of Mormon Ward Ball. Also, they do softball. Minor league baseball has been popular there. Hockey is just something to fill dates at the Jazz building. There's scant connection of the community to hockey. Baseball is a better bet.

Blame our shitty PM and our gay liberal policies. Who tf wants to play in cold weather, lose half their earnings to taxes that go to bullshit, and if the team is in Quebec, deal with language laws and Frenchmen? Not to mention the dollar is weak and the markets are small. This is a business, they don’t care if there’s 20 thousand die hard fans in the area. They need hundreds of thousands of paying customers, in a place players want to play.

Dude, this guy is obviously so salty Quebec is overlooked. First of all, Salt Lake's metro is almost double Quebec City's at 1.4M and America overall has much bigger cities so even though SLC is a medium size city in the US, it would be considered a major one in Canada. Also, Salt Lake is the northern US.

As a Canadian yeah, i wish Hayes did a little research before having those full condidence takes and spewing. But he wasnt totally wrong about the background , just bias

“Canadians support the NHL” Look at Winnipeg pal. Going to a city that’s even smaller than Wpg will really work out in a decade when the hype wears off, grow up.

Does Canada deserve another team? Yes, undoubtedly. But also, people are overlooking the biggest decider in my mind, and that's the simple fact that Salt Lake keeps the organization in the west. Less of a headache to juggle in terms of scheduling games and travel. Also, something not covered is that supposedly, if the Coyotes move, their owner has an option of a 5 year timeline to get an arena built for an expansion. So right off the bat, the NHL admitted to wanting to expand in a 5 year timeline, and I doubt they'd want to unbalance the conferences. So I say it's pretty cut and dry that the NHL will expand again 5 years from now and to balance the conferneces they'd have to expand to the east as well. That gives Quebec a shot at a franchise again.

@21sled

Ай бұрын

No they don’t. Specifically because of bs takes like this. “It’s canadas game, we deserve everything and the US deserves nothing.” Is every dumbass Canadians argument

Like calling Winnipeg Central Canada. Just looking at a map and not knowing anything about the country, or more to the point pretending not to. 'The real fans are in Canada' give me a fucking break.

There is nothing Southern about SLC. Charming place in its own right, but real far from being The South.

Quebec City will never get an NHL team unless a team needs to relocation right away in the Eastern Conference. Also the NHL gets more American TV money for more American franchises. It’s the new reality. I miss the Nordiques and want them back. I just don’t see it happening.

Sorry Quebec is overrated as a market. The Quebec government is to blame with their Orwellian language laws. This would be disastrous for corporate sponsors. Blame the unhinged language protectionist crap. M Bettman os savvy as fu$%.

Look let's be real, TSN guys don't care about Quebec anyway... And the Habs organization don't want another Quebec team

Ownership of professional sports teams in the last quarter century, has been about real estate ventures, not the love of the sport. Isn't it just convenient for Bettman that a dude has got the money for an NHL team in Salt Lake, and that they have plans to finalize a new rink in time for the Olympics. Life is all about timing.