Even though he was a Thatcher man, he still stands head and shoulders above the bilge that the Tory party has now.

@TheOffkilter

4 ай бұрын

Just imagine a world where a dyed in the wool Thatcherite says the Tories have gone too far away from him. What a time eh?

@lordcharfield4529

4 ай бұрын

From what I heard, he stood in high heels 👠 to achieve that stature 😉

@lotlot

3 ай бұрын

‘Even though’?!!!

So, it's clear. No party can reverse Brexit damage. Therefore vote for a party that you consider least tainted by corruption. HINT, it's not the Tories.

@chatham43

4 ай бұрын

@nick Liberal democrats...are you out of your mind!

@kendiamond8722

4 ай бұрын

​@@chatham43naw but I bet you are 😂

@chatham43

4 ай бұрын

@ken See you gave your comment the thumbs up..😂😂

@kendiamond8722

4 ай бұрын

@@chatham43 it's one more than reform will get 🤣🤣🤣

@silondon9010

4 ай бұрын

A Romanian Beggar outside every supermarket in London thanks to free movement from the European Union 😢

And this is what the tories have lost. A decent intelligent impressive man, instead they've got Jonathan Gullis

@proffessorclueless

4 ай бұрын

🤣

@bluepurgatory2927

4 ай бұрын

Pattten a rabid remoaner who sold out the people of Hong Kong.

@user-ks6ch9rw2d

4 ай бұрын

I couldn't agree more. I have never been a fan of the Conservatives, but when you look at the hollowed-out and dumbed down Conservative parliamentary party and cabinet, you wish for the days of Major and dare I say it Thatcher!

@kevinengland7444

4 ай бұрын

I remember Patten crying like a baby sat next to Prince Charles at the Hong Kong handover ceremony. Prince Charles looked uncomfortable and rightly so. That act alone is a luminous example of who not to allow to run a country for he utterly humiliated us on the world stage.

@scooby1992

4 ай бұрын

@@kevinengland7444 Our control of Hong Kong was due to end and the territory be handed back to China in 1999 .

they don't make tories like this anymore. How sad, even as a Labour supporter I know the country is better off when we have strong and respectable parties debating the best path forward. Not this bilge water we have now from the tory government

@kanedNunable

4 ай бұрын

yup. 10 minutes in and he hasnt told us a clear lie yet. how refreshing for a tory.

He is so spot on with everything. Nothing can be done to make up for the abortion of a decision that was Brexit. But it's not just Brexit it's the hard Brexit we have ended up with that has given this country next to no hope of any tangible growth for the foreseeable. I sincerely hope The Labour Party re-negotiate our entry into the single market as soon as possible so we can see some proper benefits before the election in 5 years time. We can then have a proper debate about re-joining the EU in the late 2030s

How very sane. And he’s right, not just about Brexit, but also that the Conservatives no longer exists. It’s now now a dangerous, right of centre and increasingly far right party. Brexit was not just a terrible mistake, was also an unpatriotic policy because of the damage it has done and is doing to our standard of living and economic prosperity.

Everyone was lied too, Johnson was the end of the conservative party. I was a lifetime conservative but this is the end of them. Thank you Lord Paten.

@rrbh

4 ай бұрын

As a 'lifetime' Conservative you have a lot to feel thoroughly ashamed about.

We are the only country that imposed economic sanctions on itself.

Always admired Patten. A man of common sense and dignity, even when dealing with difficult events such as the handover of Hong Kong. His straight-talking here should be listened to, perhaps it's time we respected experts again.

@kevinengland7444

4 ай бұрын

Dignity? DIGNITY! He sat next to Prince Charles at the Hong Kong handover ceremony crying like a baby! Prince Charles looked quite perplexed. I'll never forget it because it was cringeworthy and humiliating for this country.

@minui8758

3 ай бұрын

@@kevinengland7444I really didn’t take it that way. It was genuinely emotional and called for a bit of physical emotion. 150 of thousands of shared relationships. It’s tragic

As a 74 year old father and grandfather I am extremely concerned for the safety and future of my offspring because we have a warmongering ruling class intent to manage and control the public with fearmongering, lies and harsh laws whilst allowing themselves to be serial offenders.

@coppershark1973

4 ай бұрын

Not to mention climate change.

@chatham43

4 ай бұрын

@bert So which of that didn't you make up?😊

@kendiamond8722

4 ай бұрын

​@@chatham43he's spot on, now pull up your pants and run along little boy 😂

@berthold23150

4 ай бұрын

In four days I will appear at Westminster Magistrates to be made a criminal for sending an offensive email to a couple of front benchers. Clean record, excellent character references and flawless work life I will be made a criminal for the audacity. No joke. This is a police state. Wake up.

Apert from a lot of waffle he said it, Brexit is madness.

Chris could have said "respect"! He enjoyed respect as party chairman as did John Major and many others! There in now currently zero respect for any of the current charlatan's ! How interesting that Chris Patten isn't afraid to mention the dreaded Brexit! Hence respect for him and it makes my prior argument!

@stephenreeds3632

4 ай бұрын

When are people going to realise that the whole mess began in 1979 when a certain person imposed her warped view of the world.

A refreshing change to hear the truth from a Tory!

@sydnorth5868

4 ай бұрын

There used to be quite a few of them, but all those that were left were kicked out of the Conservative Party by Johnson.

@Mounhas

4 ай бұрын

@@sydnorth5868100% correct.

They lost that when they allowed the Brexit referendum in the first place. All downhill since the referendum.

@richardhowlett4097

4 ай бұрын

It was well before brexit. They've always been into profits and share dividends. They don't want lowly workers to have money, that's why they make workers go on strike.

Listening to this man and then returning to the current reality highlights our political decline

Until the stem of Brexit is faced, the UK faces a bleak time. We all know it, the evidence is in and we now owe it to our younger generations to remedy what is a self-inflicted wound.

@chatham43

4 ай бұрын

@rob It ain't gonna happen boyo..so time to stop whinging..roll your sleeves up...and make it work...

@robred19

4 ай бұрын

@@chatham43 you cannot make a crashed car work...

@Stan_55UK

4 ай бұрын

@@robred19 Indeed. Like a crashed car, Brexit is a write off.

Second best PM UK never had. (First? John Smith.)

@tariq_sharif

4 ай бұрын

Hesaltine ? He would be third on that list..

NO - but they have lost the plot, and they lost that years ago.

Reminds me of the days when the Tories were serious men in grey suits who actually had principles.

@josiekaposie5783

4 ай бұрын

like supporting apartheid , destroying British manufacturing , privatising everything , oh yes the glory days .

@jordan-kj1bh

4 ай бұрын

😂😂 did they really exist ? I find that very hard to believe

@coppershark1973

4 ай бұрын

When was that? Not in my lifetime and I’m 50 now. They have ALWAYS been interested in one thing only, MONEY.

@chatham43

4 ай бұрын

@mrjaspet But you never believed that did you.😊

@richardhowlett4097

4 ай бұрын

Exactly, money, shares and PROFITS!@@coppershark1973

How is the possibility of a ‘benefit of the doubt’ even a question after 14 years of government track record!?

One of the questions that will never be answered is what happened to the North Sea Oil revenues? Norway has been investing its surplus revenues and currently has a government owned fund with $1.62 Trillion! The interest currently funds more than 15% of government expenditure. The British hierarchy just peed it up the wall I guess!

@chatham43

4 ай бұрын

@poshsimon Well it's somewhere. Checked your Swiss bank accounts recently?

@garysmith5025

4 ай бұрын

It was used to break the unions, deindustrialise, and build up the financial services sectors. We're now seeing the long term effects of those policies in huge wealth inequality. A brave government would introduce a wealth and expatriation taxes which would reverse those effects very quickly.

@kenmmseven

2 ай бұрын

Handed out as profit and dole money.

Great to hear Chris Patten quoting Adlai Stevenson - a great, wise statesman and a Unitarian. (from a Unitarian minister) :-)

They realise we have lost all doubt they are of no benefit.

Fear Russia and Putin, I fear my own government the most and what disaster they will lead us into to next.

@chatham43

4 ай бұрын

@gordon No you don't Gordon...let's not get hysterical again!

@gordoncharles741

3 ай бұрын

@@chatham43 the only hysterical I get is hysterical with laughter at the endless clownish comments of the goon @chatham43

I don’t agree with his politics but you can’t deny he’s very learned. Contrast that with the almost dry pool of talent currently on offer in the Conservative Party. Can anyone name a cabinet minister now with any intellect?

@chatham43

4 ай бұрын

@stuart Can you name any politician?

@kennethvenezia4400

4 ай бұрын

Larry the cat🙀

Brexit as broken us......how can you vote for a party that introduced it ?

I don't remember voting for Rwanda.

@chatham43

4 ай бұрын

@graham What do you remember?

@alana8863

4 ай бұрын

@@chatham43Good pivot. Pity it avoided the question, but that's the point of pivots, isn't it?

Great stuff decency has been replaced by treachery to further despicable individuals careers

Great interview! Even my cat enjoyed it!😼 Thank you 😊

Finally someone with sense enough to talk the truth, Marr looked like he was sat on a cactus but reluctantly asked the questions

Always hard to take seriously Tories who served under Thatcher when they bemoan the current party for being too right wing. Economically and sociall the Tory party of the 1980s was far more right wing than the current lot.

Although he's been away from Westminster for a while, he just oozes gravitas, intellect and a thorough grasp of his brief. To think that the cabinet that was voted out in 1997 consisted almost entirely of people of this calibre...and look at the shallow shower of muppets we have now....

Btw, I think Marr and Patten should do maybe a 6 episode podcast together and talk about Hong Kong, China and Asia in general.

The only thing that happens to the tory party over time is that the clownshow gets more clowns.

Where is the full interview?

Without doubt!

Ah we roll out the drivel from 90s to appear intelligent today.

@momeara7482

4 ай бұрын

It's not working in your own case.

When the last governor of Hongkong went to HK, the Chinese economy was just shy of 430 billion USD (1992). In 2023, the Chinese GDP exceeded 17.5 TRILLION USD, or 17,520 billion USD to be precise. What is Chris Patten ranting about??! Want to see the UK GDP over that period? Plateauing, you say?

@chatham43

4 ай бұрын

@hans It's all about money with you!

@hansweissmann_xviii6754

4 ай бұрын

@@chatham43 8 hours ago @hans It's all about money with you! Sorry, you didn't hear what Chris said? Is English a problem? Or something else?

@astratan2238

4 ай бұрын

Chinese GDP *is* plateauing though. If you don’t understand why that’s important for their stability then you don’t understand China.

Never had any 'doubt'... remember your ABCs - Anything But Con-servative!

A great and thoughtful statesman.

When I say I disagree with the Tory party but that you used to be able to rely on them for a steady competence, I sometimes get funny looks. But this is the kind of person that the Conservative Party should have running it - a cold calculating competent person who has the goal of steady management of the country. The current party’s obsession with culture wars and ‘stopping the boats’ just makes them look insane to me.

Yes

It’s about time.

Common sense conservatism - the shadow of a once great political party.

he means John Smith after him....

9:09 "(Keir Starmer/ Rachel Reeves) don't seem to me to be dangerous.." Are you really sure? Lord Pattern is a great guy but it sometimes puzzles me that in his speech it shows that he has some degree of preference for socialism. I am anticipating tax rising for the general public in a years time. not sure if this is considered dangerous, but definitely not something to look forward to.

Would that he were still in front of line politics.

A proper politician. Talks like a statesman. What a rarity!

Remember when this was reflective of the Tories. Ahhh

ZERO seats, lets go!

This ladies and gentleman. Is a conservative. I can disagree with this man around policy and party. I can't disagree with integrity. The current tory crop. Thats a different matter

They have lost much much more than that...

Looking at the thumb nail ..says they have even sold the çhairs ...

Even "decent, reasonable" Tories are capable of doing incredible harm to UK citizens. Their track record is clear.

Defence spending - with NATO and its allies overmatching by a fair wedge its military doctrine, spending, strategy and tactics, numbers of advanced armour, aircraft carriers and 3rd Generation aircraft…..if it came to the true crunch of non nuclear combat, what country can Russia beat, it can’t even beat Ukraine in the 14 days every so called pundit and EX general said it could. China has a king way to go. Taiwan is not Normandy 1944. The failure of the British MOD and Abbey Wood in procurement total incompetence isn’t the military but they do single handedly achieve a negative impact of fighting capacity. NATO and its other allies are unlikely to loose a convenient war. Yes it could of course but it’s unlikely and everyone knows it. Except in the case of a nuclear strike of course. Then all bets are off. How much do we End up spending 2X or 10x NATO budget of $1TN a year.

Say there’s a point people do watch the finer points of parties political parties and we do expect better we expect honesty, integrity morals do I have to go on Tories and labour are a shambles . It’s either independent MPs or the green party or labour MPs that are standing for the right things, social housing, bringing our utilities in house, getting it out of the hands of shareholders. Building the hospitals schools it’s gonna be a long road but that is the real choices of this country. We overhauling the police root and branch building. The infrastructure of this country equipping our arm forces properly stop wasting money on IT that doesn’t work.

Neither party is a broad church now. Patten would probably feel comfortable sitting alongside Starmer.

@momeara7482

4 ай бұрын

Who wouldn't?

Where is the rest? Enjoyed the conversation, but the audio is a bit amateur! Lots of hiss on Pattens mic

Top man !!!!

Mr pattern is talking about economy stutter and stammer yet is forecasted 5% growth, whereas uk is in a recession or if lucky grow 0.1%🤭

I always had, and still have, great respect for Lord Chris Patten. If only we had more people like him in Parliament now, on BOTH sides of the House.

Staying in the single market but leaving the EU was the best option on the table but no one seemed to want that. However, Brexit of itself gives us back our Sovereignty, which shouldn't be underestimated in a time of difficulty, such as we find ourselves in today. We have seen sleight of hand from the incumbent government which has undermined their own credibility. Trust has been lost and they have no chance of winning it back in the near future. The best they can hope for is that businesses continue to support them after they are defeated at the next election. Personally, I think businessmen will look at alternatives after the next General Election, to sponsor.

@alisonwilson9749

4 ай бұрын

What use is this so-called sovereignty you're on about? What can we do that we couldn't do from inside the EU?

Another remoner! Boring

Nuggs

Can you lose something that you've never had?

Why would people listen to politician which couldn't get into parliament?

@SigmundJaehn

4 ай бұрын

Did you just google him comrade?

@Stan_55UK

4 ай бұрын

Why wouldn't they?

Tedious one-sided debate. The US covered Europe's defence but that's coming to an end. So, they are all scrabbling around trying to justify increased spending on defence. The comparison he made between imported Chinese goods and Russian energy was ridiculous in the extreme.

@westvirginiaglutenfreepepp7006

4 ай бұрын

The US is not ending support of Europe; see: NATO. Nonsense statement

Two parties of the same backside: Left wing zionist.. Right wing zionist. Take your pick.

Patton talked a lot of common sense.

@chatham43

4 ай бұрын

@graeme Which just so happens echos your opinions. Who'd have thought!😀😀

@nigelhard1519

4 ай бұрын

Nuts. We can make it to Berlin

Patten betrayed Hong Kong

@mwd331

4 ай бұрын

Im not hugely read up on it but my understanding is that we had no choice but to leave Hong Kong. Why do you feel its his fault?

@hastekulvaati9681

4 ай бұрын

Sorry what was he supposed to do, take on China?

@TheWizardsNose

4 ай бұрын

Lease ran out didn't it?

@johnrussell3961

4 ай бұрын

China was not Argentina! We only defend principle when we think we can win. Who wants another Suez?

@tonybrett5209

4 ай бұрын

It was only 'rented' until 1999.

If Boris Johnson had done what was asked of him to get Brexit done this country would be in a better state than it is in now conservatives fault ,not Brexit

@martinhommel9967

4 ай бұрын

What does getting Brexit done even mean?

@TheWizardsNose

4 ай бұрын

What was asked of him?

@taterdemalion1

4 ай бұрын

Brexit was sold on the basis of lies by charlatans who did not understand the consequences which have been so disastrous for every aspect of our society. Surely everyone realises now that Brexit could never have worked and the Tories are responsible.

@andrewcockburn7484

4 ай бұрын

What should he have done differently?

@tonybrett5209

4 ай бұрын

You mean the impossible?

Not at all, I’ve doubted them ever since I was around 8 years old when Thatcher came to power…..