Thanks for the trying the car and hydrogen out so we don’t have to! I’ve enjoyed this channel a lot since finding it a few days ago.

Thanks for the update - - keeping hope alive. I'm moving on when my fuel card runs out. Getting a 2025 CR-V Hybrid or Tesla I just can't take the Russian roulette on the fuel.

Great video, as always. Times and stats (TLDR: 56.7 cents per mile, 5 minute fill, 6 minute wait, 44 minute and 13 mile drive - so $7.37 spent to get to and from the station). 8:29pm 6.7 mile drive - 65 MPGe 8:51pm pulling up - 1 car wait. 8:57pm pull into bay. 4 miles remaining. 4.984 kg x $36 = $179.42 9:04pm finished 320 miles total Added 316 miles at 56.7 cents per mile. 63.4 miles per kg is about 65 MPGe. 5 minute fill, 22 minute drive there, 6 minute wait, likely 22 minute drive home - should you subtract the drive home from the added range .... ? Surprised to see Torrance offline, that’s a liquid hydrogen pipeline supply from a refinery over the road? Should be the most reliable, no trucks needed. I’d be interested on your thoughts on some of the buyback and legal action rumors from Reddit’s Mirai sub. People are pretty fed up at being $20k underwater after just a year in some cases. I also see people 'double dip' the value of that fuel card, they count it as $15,000 off the price on the Mirai, and also count it as free fuel - it can't be both - it's worth noting it's only gets you around 25k miles, maybe 30k miles, and you could go that distance for a lot less than $15k in a different vehicle.

I think the main problem with the infrastructure is that the CA funding was for upfront capital costs of the stations rather than for the fuel itself. So there was lots of motivation getting a station built but not so much keeping it running or supplying fuel at a cost comparable to gasoline in $/mile. Here in BC, where the funding mechanism is different, H2 costs $C14/kg and gasoline costs $C2.09/litre. Works out to be $0.14/km for my Hyundai Nexo and $0.21/km for something like a BMW X3 at 10 l/100km.

@brushlessmotoring

Ай бұрын

BC Hydrogen is a green/grey mix though, not fully green (see HTEC's FAQ - no mention of %'s). I don't know what the price would be if truly green from additional renewables, which are the rules in the US for the green hydrogen subsidy, would not surprise me if it shot up to closer to California prices - it's climbing in Germany and Japan too. EV is 2 to 3 cents per km in BC.

@kennethkratschmar3745

Ай бұрын

@@brushlessmotoring California only has a 33% renewable H2 requirement. The US green H2 subsidy through the IRA has not kicked in yet as they can’t agree on the definition of green.

@brushlessmotoring

Ай бұрын

@@kennethkratschmar3745 I thought True Zero went above and beyond though? There were similar rumblings in the EU about allowing electrolysers to use non renewable electricity to keep them efficient, but still call it green and qualify for a significant per kg subsidy.

@kennethkratschmar3745

Ай бұрын

@@brushlessmotoring from what I see all stations in CA charge $36/kg not just True Zero. They should just get rid of the hydrogen rainbow and just focus on the GHG intensity.

@brushlessmotoring

Ай бұрын

@@kennethkratschmar3745 is HTEC going to deliver on their promised green hydrogen plant? I’ve not seen anything more than announcements, meanwhile, grey hydrogen gets sold as ‘clean’ at the Shell stations in Vancouver, Victoria and Kelowna.

Thank god, I live in OC, I don’t gotta deal with this with my mirai ❤#blessed

WRT the La Mirada station on Beach Blvd, the station developer (Iwatani) finished construction on six stations all of which use NEL Hydrogen equipment. Four of those stations have opened but the equipment has had quality issues and uptime has suffered. It has been such a problem that Iwatani has filed suit against NEL. So until NEL fixes the problems at the four open stations, La Mirada (and Santa Ana) will likely not open. Also, those seven Shell stations that closed in NorCal a few months ago also used NEL Hydrogen equipment.

Your chanel has convinced me to wait a long time before buying a hydrogen car. The infrastructure is worse than EV chargers.

@mcsike7264

Ай бұрын

lmao ppl just bought into the Toyota hydrogen scam and now are realizing it they dont have the money to buy a new car so they are stuck with this one :)

@paulluna8099

Ай бұрын

@@mcsike7264 Not really a scam, more like it's the alpha stage. or in plain English prototype. You do realize how many decades it took for wireless technology to be developed? It started with Nicola Tesla and all those years to become what it is today.

@mcsike7264

Ай бұрын

@@paulluna8099 the thing with hydrogen is that not much benefits over ev just refiling time you get about the same range as a ev less efficient and refiling coast more

Sucks that there’s so many issues with the hydrogen infrastructure. It could have been a way to speed up our transition from oil and towards energy independence.

@darkrulier

Ай бұрын

Generating hydrogen uses a considerable amount of energy, who guarantees that this process is done with renewables? Hardly a transitional energy source.

Anyone else having issues with the Toyota experience center? Recently they're sending me 22 miles away to fill up. Rather than offer a rental.

The 1st gen Mirai cars are so cheap at the dealer auctions now, (under 4k). One was a "non-runner" because it had no fuel.

They have a lot in Inglewood now

you're a trooper!!

hydrogen has lost the run. It never will be better.

@deansh8506

Ай бұрын

Lost the run? It was never in the race.

A lot of people are moving on. I moved on. I’m sorry but the infrastructure ruined everyone’s experience. Toyota has really messed up and the lawsuits are almost finalized. Another month or 2 until all my pain and misery will be compensated handsomely from Toyota. Thank you for sharing the videos. Still loving my 2024 Toyota grand Highlander. ❤

@mcsike7264

Ай бұрын

did you buy into the toyota hydrogen scam XD

@lankytoast1315

Ай бұрын

@@mcsike7264 :/

@teddy_benderr_ass_down

Ай бұрын

How do you join the lawsuit does certify pre own qualified as well any information will be much appreciated thank you

@lankytoast1315

Ай бұрын

@@teddy_benderr_ass_down yes. CPO mirais do qualify. I’m not sure if I’m allowed to discuss lawsuit info here. I’m sure there’s always legal reasons I shouldn’t. I like to be cautious for myself therefore I can’t say here. I think Reddit is a better place to discuss lawsuit stuff. KZread is such a pain in the neck with stuff like this.

@teddy_benderr_ass_down

Ай бұрын

@@lankytoast1315 thank you so much for taking time to respond to my question 🙏🙏🙏

$180 to fill up a Murai or $18 to fill up my Model Y........mmm or to be more accurate that's how much it cost before I added solar to reduce my electric bill by $200 a month. Hydrogen is such a time saver, my Model Y took 3 hours at home while I was eating dinner, so much longer than driving around town waiting for others then driving back home.

Damn the day I bought this piece of sh*t

@mcsike7264

Ай бұрын

lmao did you fell for the Toyota hydrogen scam there ev is a scam too just dont buy a ev from toyota and dont buy a hydrogen car period

@vinnythep4216

7 күн бұрын

@@mcsike7264 😂 you seem to have a vendetta with Toyota or someone who sells hydrogen because I have seen you comment it’s a scam on like 10 comments, yeah it’s a scam but why are you so angry 😂

how much money is left on your fuel card? and what happens when it runs out.

@abrahammc2125

Ай бұрын

thats a stupid question. Thats like asking what do you do when your bank account runs out... Fuel card was an incentive. Now use your credit card

Why would an individual would willingly pay top dollars for such an inconvenient vehicle. The Mirai has absolutely nothing going for it. My suggestion is to get rid of it sooner rather than later before you keep losing $ on it and get yourself a hybrid.

what happens if you fill it with natural gas?

other than no pollution, what is the point of a hydrogen powered vehicle? would you keep it if you were footing the fuel costs? don't get me wrong, it's a nice looking car and i love Toyotas in general.

@mcsike7264

Ай бұрын

ppl just brought into the Toyota hydrogen scam and now realizing it XD

@bruhabox

Ай бұрын

It's an alternative to BEVs. Not everyone can charge at home or at work, so hydrogen fuel cell vehicles provide another non-polluting alternative.

@mcsike7264

Ай бұрын

@@bruhabox thats even worse you can't full up with hydrogen at home either and there like 50 stations in the us XD

@jimross364

Ай бұрын

When the hydrogen got to $36 dollars per kg I parked my car. I didn't buy a vehicle with the$15,000 fuel card .... I did the math and bought a gen 1 for $8000 from a private party as I don't drive much and I thought it was too risky to invest $30-$40 k. I guess I'm lucky I didn't lose as much so far. Unbelievable the fueling stations are charging 6 times more to refuel with processed water. It's going to be even worse when Trump's takes office and fuel prices drop in half... Were will hydrogen price go ? I see a big class action lawsuit coming. The new station supposed to come to Camarillo and Ventura have not started yet either. The whole thing's about to implode within one year when all these hydrogen cars have lost their fuel card balance..... Nobody wants to pay $36 for an equivalent gallon of fuel.... It's totally insane !! I'm patiently waiting for the fuel prices to drop...or will the whole thing go bust that is the question. I just bought a new Nissan Aria by the way... Free fuel for one year through Evgo.

Ok, I'm never getting a hydroen car or pure electric. Think plug in hybrid is the way to go. Prius Prime or Rav 4 plug ins.

@jml9550

Ай бұрын

R4P is the best deal, SE at $50k. You get the faster performance and utilities.

Hydrogen for passenger cars was a scam from the start. It takes almost 50 kWh to produce 1 Kg of Hydrogen through Electrolysis. That gets you about 60 miles of range per Kg of Hydrogen. A Model 3 RWD is the closest EV to this Mirai. It has a 60 kWh battery and goes about 200 miles with 50 kWh of energy. Hydrogen is just too inefficient and never will be able to overcome that issue. Toyota and now Honda will continue to scam their most loyal customers until they wise up and abandon them.

If it was a gas operated car,you would have been on the road by now.

Hydrogen vehicles are complete failures and just a joke at this time. Not enough charging stations, and the current stations that do exist are down half of the time. Also, if you didn't have the fuel card, cost is way to high to refuel.

@mcsike7264

Ай бұрын

its a scam am shocked toyota got away with for this only ppl are too blind by its toyota they cant do no wrong bs

@vinnythep4216

7 күн бұрын

@@mcsike7264 wow 😂 how many times can one person comment, maybe if you did something useful with your time you could pay for fuel

Which battery needs to be replaced the quickest in the vehicle??? how much is the cost of replacement??? I was told one of the batteries needed to be replaced every 3 to 5 every year's but didn't mention which one any information will be much appreciated thank you