Bolton fan here, we've spent 73 years in the top flight. Just over 10 years ago we were competing for the top 6/8 in the Premier League, I watched us knock out Athletico Madrid in the Uefa Cup and draw to Bayern Munich away. Last year we played in League Two competing against Exeter City and Morecambe for promotion. Everton are not too big to go down, no club is. As was the case with us, Blackburn, Newcastle, Forest, Villa and many many more.

@merrymonarch

2 жыл бұрын

Too big to go down - as soon as that is said a club is doomed. Bolton fan too!

@tomben6180

2 жыл бұрын

City in 1996 was a huge shock. And then 1998 was an even bigger one, becoming the first club with 10+ major trophies to fall to League One.

@SSEnrich

2 жыл бұрын

Really like Bolton back in the day They had a habit of pickinf up old players that other clubs thought were finished. And they performed well too. Campo, Okocha, Borgetti, Giannakopolus and Nakata to name a few. Hope they can come back one day.

@merrymonarch

2 жыл бұрын

@@SSEnrich yes but that was their downfall. All those class players retired at nearly the same time and there was no quality coming through to replace them. They ended up dropping like a stone. Good while it lasted!

@automaticasthmatic

2 жыл бұрын

@@SSEnrich Jay Jay Okocha. What a joy to watch he was!

Forest are one of the best examples. Can't be many sides that have won a European Cup (let alone two, back to back), a title and league cups before getting relegated. Agree that other teams have bigger stadiums and fan bases, but only Forest have the dubious honour of having such a fall from grace (thankfully they're in promotion contention this year, just hope they don't blow it!)

@normalvillafan2887

2 жыл бұрын

The 2 champion leagues is all they've won

@JohnDoe-wi1oy

2 жыл бұрын

@@normalvillafan2887 1 more than you and the btw the european cup was no where near as hard as the champions league to win.

@benderisgreat2917

2 жыл бұрын

@@normalvillafan2887 villa 😂😂😂😂😂

@fattypark

2 жыл бұрын

@@normalvillafan2887 Not true. Even if it was, it's a bit like telling a boxer he's only been World Heavyweight Champion twice! ;)

@original.dwornboy

2 жыл бұрын

Before Brian Clough Forest were nothing. Since Clough left Forest have been nothing. It's Clough who's the big man, not that club.

I'm an arsenal fan & how we managed to get 60 off Everton for iwobi & Walcott just shows how bad their recruitment & spending has been.

@hunsler1006

2 жыл бұрын

@@wilsone7710 dele Ali was free, no way he's hitting those clauses

@YidSlayer

2 жыл бұрын

😂🤣😂

@joejones3832

2 жыл бұрын

Hahahaha neverton BS hahahaha YNWA 😝❤

@lowercentenary

2 жыл бұрын

Not to mention selling their possibly their best ever striker rooney to mancs possibly just to spite lfc 🤣instead of tying him down and building a good team around him

@8evvied

2 жыл бұрын

It wasn’t 60 but you’re completely right

For Everton it's been a slow decline - one of the original "Big Five" back when the Premiership first started, but won nothing since 1995 - been in and out of relegation fights and European qualification multiple times since then - but since the new owner came in it's been a slow and steady decline as money has been wasted and the fan's have hounded good managers out of the club. They aren't the biggest to go down when you consider both Nottingham Forest & Aston Villa won the European Cup in the 80's - those two club's stand as evidence that no club is too big to go down. But to have held on to a place in the top flight for so long, and considering where they started when the Premiership was launched (& that even as recent as last season were being talked of being granted additional voting rights under "Project Big Picture" for being one of the few ever present clubs in the Premiership) - and considering the manager's they've had and money they spent in recent years only to arrive in this position - this feels bigger somehow. They are in this position due to underlying financial / ownership / management / recruitment / coaching issues - every part of the club from top to bottom feels mismanaged - this feels like a club in decline that could be looking towards a Leeds or Man City like implosion that they may never recover from in my lifetime. It feels like this is going to be a bigger fall, not necessarily because of the size of the club, but also where the club may ultimately end up before things start to stabilise / improve again.

@audiobookschill5888

2 жыл бұрын

the 95 fa cup win was the first real game i ever watched as a kid. one name comes to mind "andre kanchelsis"

@charliebrooks3666

2 жыл бұрын

Class

@yunglorde8691

2 жыл бұрын

I’d say a rather slow and painful decline to be honest

@jackjude

2 жыл бұрын

The 90's - bar the surprise FA win - was pretty rough for EFC after their 80's heyday, as you say lots of relegation scraps and circling the drain. You're maybe a bit harsh on what Moyes achieve with them during his long tenure post millennium. That was certainly an incline for them rather than decline.

@cleary92

2 жыл бұрын

which good managers have fans hounded out of the club?

Villa and Forest weren't big surprises when they went down. NO ONE thought Everton would be in the relation zone at the beginning of the season

@jackjude

2 жыл бұрын

Forest had been 8th on 59 points the previous season.

@ctrlaltdeligt

2 жыл бұрын

I thought they would

@ultimatetrickzter505

2 жыл бұрын

@@jackjude maybe but Everton have never been relegated so no one would have predicted them going down.

@MatthewLenton

2 жыл бұрын

Everton have had poor finishes on more than one occasion

@changnoi3637

2 жыл бұрын

@@ultimatetrickzter505 Everton were relegated in 1950

2:18 “You spend money and you get worse that doesn’t make any sense to me” Lol that’s the ManU way

@achyuta4206

2 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣, it's funny because it's true.

@constablekennedy7705

2 жыл бұрын

QPR springs to Mind as a Team whom also pulled off this same Feat ….. ⚽️

@tonyturner5024

2 жыл бұрын

Bin Dippers

@XXDETENTIONXX

2 жыл бұрын

@Liverpool FC Liverpool have been cheating frauds since their entire existence

@SD-nq6kg

2 жыл бұрын

@Liverpool FC Man U can afford to spend loads and waste it like they have. Everton simply CAN NOT

During Klopp's reign at Liverpool (must be 7 seasons now), Everton in that time have spent nearly £20mil LESS than Liverpool (around 600mil for Liverpool, 580mil Everton). They're in such an almighty mess, whereas Liverpool's receuitment has been more or less spot on.

@KorisnickoIme84

2 жыл бұрын

To be fair Liverpool recruitment in the Klopp era was like multiple jackpot win..Salah,Mane,Firmino,Robo..

@56postoffice

2 жыл бұрын

@@KorisnickoIme84 V V D

@Glassjar34

2 жыл бұрын

The net spend is much better for Liverpool too.

@visiblekoment

2 жыл бұрын

Bigger clubs get more fore their money.

I really don't want Leeds to go down. They're historically a massive club and its great having them back in the top division.

@constablekennedy7705

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed Bro and the New Manager is Half Decent or at least has been thus far ….. ⚽️

@karlbg89

2 жыл бұрын

A newcastle fan giving about leeds haha what have newcastle won in recent times il wait

@peterwhillians1393

2 жыл бұрын

Why do people say Leeds are massive club. 3 titles, same as Huddersfield. 1 FA cup, 1 less than Bury. 1 League Cup, same as Swindon. Dont sound like a massive club me.

@fullstop8920

2 жыл бұрын

@@peterwhillians1393 Leeds did win a European trophy and did play in other European finals unlike the teams you mention.

@MayaBishopStan

2 жыл бұрын

Me too

Yes Nottingham forest,Newcastle United, Leeds United Aston villa Sunderland Sheffield Wednesday these are all big clubs

@ollyk1157

2 жыл бұрын

West Ham are bigger

@finnharper8673

2 жыл бұрын

@@ollyk1157 west ham bigger than villa and forest?😭😭

@mossy_123

2 жыл бұрын

@@ollyk1157 oh dear🤦‍♂️

@misalife626

2 жыл бұрын

Sheffield Wednesday? They may be a bug club but come on, they aren't as big as Everton or all the other clubs you've mentioned

@fattypark

2 жыл бұрын

@UCPM9t8wIwvJFQ1XE-mBj46w Back to back European Cups

I feel like when Villa went down that one season, that kind of felt pretty big considering the players they did have and where they were finishing before they went down

@footballhipstertv

2 жыл бұрын

But Everton spent half a billion in 6 seasons 😨

@Soldier9811

2 жыл бұрын

Not the same

@GoldenJokered

2 жыл бұрын

I think this would be a lot bigger, looks at Everton's squad and the money they have spent. Would have to have a firesale in the summer just to keep afloat.

@mbkr8129

2 жыл бұрын

Everton will be the only side ever to go down while paying 100 grand a week to peado gyfi

@GWJUK

2 жыл бұрын

Villa have been down regularly it feels!

Leeds after being in Champions League Semi Final, to the following season going down. Blackburn Rovers who have won the Premier League going down. Aston Villa, West Ham and Newcastle all going down was a surprise, what Everton to were in the 70s and 80s makes it unthinkable them going down. Also the fact along with Liverpool, Tottenham, Man United, Chelsea and Arseanl, the only 6 clubs never to be relegated from the Premier League. The fear for Everton is what happened to Leeds, Forest and Blackburn. Leeds to a long time to come back up, Forest and Blackburn are still in the Championship, there is no guarantee that you can come back up. To be fair with the owner, they could spend more than all the other clubs but still might not get them promoted. The Champinshipis very hard to get out of, the also play most times at the weekend and in the week, so 3 games every 7 days.

@chris12carp

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry to be that guy but Leeds were in the 2001 champions league semi’s 2004 - Relegated

What makes Everton more standout to the likes of Newcastle, Villa, Sunderland etc is that the latter clubs flirted with relegation in the seasons prior to going down. This inevitably saw the better players leave for better clubs, so when they did finally go down it wasn't a huge shock. The stunner for Everton is that they have fallen apart in the space of about 18 months and they still have all those big earners on the books, which makes it look even worse. Needless to say, what all clubs had/have in common is a rotten core. That can quickly be solved in the Championship if they go down. If they stay up, it could take a while and we may see Everton deteriorate over the next couple of seasons until the inevitable happens. Personally, I think Everton getting relegated now, having a good clear-out and getting back up in a season or 2, into the new stadium, would be best for them. The last thing they want to do is hang on for a couple seasons and then christen the new stadium with a relegation.

@brothatisfunny

2 жыл бұрын

Who's to blame? Ancelotti or Benitez?

@TheMrGinley

2 жыл бұрын

@@brothatisfunny I personally blame Benitez more as he came unwelcomed to the club, didn't do too bad granted but proceeded to disagree with one of our best full backs and sell him before he could be sacked. I'm not big on conspiracy's but him selling Digne to Gerard was wrong.

@ChocolateGoku

2 жыл бұрын

Really interesting view that mate. Fair point. Forwarding that to a few toffee mates

@cs0rpc

2 жыл бұрын

Err... no. Newcastle going down was nothing to do with players leaving the club in the preceding seasons. In both cases it was the appointment of shambolic managers in Kinnear and McClaren.

@BDT31

2 жыл бұрын

Derby?

It probably wasn’t a shock but Villa (from an Albion fan). They’re a bigger club than people give them credit for. Albion & Wolves are also bigger historically than given credit for although not as big as the Villa of course.

@liamefc97

2 жыл бұрын

Haha you calling wolves bigger than Everton? Wobble your head

@liamefc97

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry but wolves west Brom ain't big clubs. Evertons bigger than villa

@garethparry6673

2 жыл бұрын

@@liamefc97 villa are bigger than Everton.

@ObviouslyKieran

2 жыл бұрын

Gotta love how people think Villa are bigger than they actually are 😂😂

@liamefc97

2 жыл бұрын

@@garethparry6673 no they aint🤣🤣

Blackburn, Leeds, Newcastle, Villa...no team is too big for relegation

@charlietm4350

2 жыл бұрын

All 4 of those are bigger than Everton. Easy.

@ScottTetleyy

2 жыл бұрын

@@charlietm4350 blackburn aren't

@coreycommander9390

2 жыл бұрын

@@ScottTetleyy they are though

@SirSoppyBalls

2 жыл бұрын

when i saw the title, i instantly though "Blackburn, Leeds, Newcastle" before the vid loaded, and your comment was top, lol... yeah those were bigger clubs at the time EASY!

@Toby-ox9pt

2 жыл бұрын

Sunderland too

Just the fact that other teams were able to get millions out of Everton for Iwobi, Walcott, Godfrey, Mina, Klaasen, etc. Check out their net transfer amount each season. They never made profit. They bought players and let them go after their contract ended. It could turn out very bad for them if they go down. And it could be several years before they could come back to PL. Just like what happened with Leeds. As a Liverpool fan, I feel sorry for them. Hope they show some fight and stay up.

Never thought Newcastle would go down at the start of the 2008/09 season, they had quality players

@elixirix

2 жыл бұрын

or the next time with Wijnaldum

@toonultra6

2 жыл бұрын

Or ever again 🤣

@ryanmitchell1265

2 жыл бұрын

They got relegated with a Ballon D'or winner in their squad 🤦‍♂️

@juanfabulous

2 жыл бұрын

Newcastle are only a big club in Newcastle. Nowhere else considers them a big club.

@digvijaykole6746

2 жыл бұрын

@@juanfabulous well newcastle are in the top half now stfu neverton fan

It would be catastrophic for Everton to go down. When you are trying to expand your stadium and you have high wage players that you probably won't be able to sell. This would be a financial disaster for the club. For me Everton are a historic club, but they're other big teams with history that have gone down like Sunderland and Blackburn. It will be weird seeing Everton go down, but it has happened in the past, just not in the Premier League (Before 1992).

@leonleon2276

2 жыл бұрын

When did forest go down?

@dragonballfanscantread2383

2 жыл бұрын

Everton should've got a points deduction though.

@wolfpackpete6408

2 жыл бұрын

@@leonleon2276 1999

@eddiearcher7018

2 жыл бұрын

Very true that league is a nightmare to get out of too

@wolfpackpete6408

2 жыл бұрын

Villa Forest Leeds Newcastle That's 4 that are probably all bigger than Everton. They possibly weren't committed to a new stadium build and wages weren't quite as ridiculous as they are today, but that's 4 huge clubs that have been relegated in recent history

Leeds went from the champions league semi finalists to relegation in 3 years. And coined the phrase "Doing a Leeds". Says enough

@Paul_9320

2 жыл бұрын

City once won the title and were relegated the season after.

@kwl189

2 жыл бұрын

@@Paul_9320 United once won the European cup and were relegated. To even qualify for the European cup in those days, you had to win the league.

@5allum

2 жыл бұрын

@Liverpool FC Leeds isn't bigger than Everton but they had more recent success. Leeds going down was massive at the time. It is the only example that is comparable to Everton.

@MegaKINGRICHARD

2 жыл бұрын

Leeds are bigger than Everton

@yourmum955

2 жыл бұрын

Everton are bigger

What makes Everton going down the most shocking in history is Everton have the Second longest streak of years without being relegated. They haven't been relegated since 1950-51 Season.

@matthewcoombs3282

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, I only think Arsenal have a longer unbroken record of being in the top flight.

@Iamcruddy1

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly this. Villa and Forest have been relegated and their fans have been used to it, if Everton go down, it will be a total shock for the club and fanbase, they may not come back for a while…a shame, I always liked Everton as a club

@jch6275

2 жыл бұрын

@@matthewcoombs3282 I think Arsenal have never been relegated, the only team.

@thebhoyfromarsenal1653

2 жыл бұрын

@@jch6275 Arsenal were relegated once in 1915, but since returning in 1919 they've never gone down, 103 years.

@collinskelv4406

2 жыл бұрын

@@matthewcoombs3282 i cant remember the Gunners being relegated from premier League..... Arsenal are likely going for CL football next season

Newcastle 2009. relegation with likes of Butt,Collocini,Gutierez,Owen,Viduka,Nolan,Alan Smith,Geremi,Martins,Barton and Duff

Notts forest and villa. Also Leeds was a big one considering their history

@faramir

2 жыл бұрын

Spurs in the late 70s, and Chelsea around the same time. But Man U in 74 was the biggest.

@jackholmes1017

2 жыл бұрын

Leeds much bigger than Forest imo

@simonbarber2098

2 жыл бұрын

Leeds, apart from Howed Wilkinson champions in 90s, won all their major trophies between 65 and 75. Their status as a big club is debatable. spent nearly 50% of their history outside the top flight.

@kimcoulthard6985

2 жыл бұрын

@@faramir think he means prem history .in that case the only answer is man city as they are classed a bigger club than Everton now

@NickyLong89

2 жыл бұрын

@@jackholmes1017 how? 🤔

Gerrard could relegate Everton by giving 6 pts to Burnley and then win Liverpool the title by taking points off City... The scenes

@jorregritter3669

2 жыл бұрын

He’s actually doing terribly at Villa, especially with such a great squad

@Kloppsserialbottlers

2 жыл бұрын

Crazy. And the fact Gerrard is an Everton fan since he was a young boy, that is mad.

@alexashworth6618

2 жыл бұрын

He needs to get points to save his own jobs

@vik24oct1991

2 жыл бұрын

@@Kloppsserialbottlers carra is an everton fan not gerrard

@Kloppsserialbottlers

2 жыл бұрын

@@vik24oct1991 They're both Everton fans. However, I've only seen photographic evidence of one and it wasn't Carra.

Aston Villa very similar to Everton when we went down. Difference is, our owners had turned off the tap and we were a shambles. Everton on the other hand, have spent a tonne of .money, so it's bizarre.

@divbody

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly and it now appears that they are in a similar position to the one Villa were in, although Villas decline happened over a period of years. Villa as a club and the fans had to accept, Everton will need to do the same as giants fall. Their fans cannot argue that they're too big to go down because nothing suggests that is a reality currently. and they're no bigger than Villa or Newcastle although the latter has won far less. Wish them luck

Bigger club is a debate but in terms of squad I think both Newcastle relegations were pretty shocking when you see what individual players had achieved before and after The first relegation you had Michael Owen, Jose Enrique (went on to Liverpool), Damien Duff (was a key part at the start of Abramovich’s reign and Premier League winner), Nicky Butt (won just about everything with Man Utd), Alan Smith (regular in the Champions League for Leeds and Man Utd and won silverware with Man Utd), Jonás Gutierrez (Argentina international), Mark Viduka (Australia international, premier league veteran with Champions League experience) and Obafemi Martins (former Inter Milan wonder kid with Champions League experience) to name just some players, that’s international players that have won things at other clubs and in Michael Owen a former Ballon D’or winner Then second relegation you’ve got Moussa Sissoko (runner up in Champions League and French international with 71 caps), Wijnaldum (Netherlands international and won the Champions League with Liverpool), Tim Krul (played for Netherlands in the World Cup), Janmaat (another Netherlands international), Mitrovic (international and just scored 40 goals for Fulham), Cissé (Senegal international), Jonjo Shelvey (still at the club), Ayoze Perez sold for £30m to Leicester, Dummett (Welsh international still with the club), Kevin Mbabu (Champions League player), Mbemba (another Champions League player), Siem De Jong (a previous Ajax star), Andros Townsend (England international and is in this Everton team mentioned but towards the end of his career), Lascelles (currently the club captain), Coloccini (Argentina international), Tiote (Ivory Coast international) and managed by Rafa Benitez, only 3 seasons previous were in the Quarter Final of the Europa League with many of the same squad.

@johndenholm920

2 жыл бұрын

Finally someone who knows what they are talking about

Well if we are talking Premier League, Nottingham Forest in 92/93, Blackburn in 98/99 (just 4 years after winning the title), Leeds In 03/04, and Newcastle in 08/09 are the 4 biggest shock relegations so far. But if we are talking all time then United getting relegated in the 70’s is probably the biggest shock relegation of all time.

@Jakealexcliff

2 жыл бұрын

Lol. Newcastle are not a big club 😂

@bigdog4865

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jakealexcliff course they are sausage that sleeping giant is waking and you all best be ready

@waggishwonderland

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jakealexcliff yes they are. Newcastle were massive back in the day. All the top players were at Newcastle.

@jasonjason7823

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jakealexcliff I’m not a Newcastle fan but in English football they ARE a big club, not massive but big. You can ask any previous English footballer

@colinparks619

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jakealexcliff as a west ham fan who travels I always see west ham and Newcastle shirts, they are a v big club, no point denying it, they always have been.

Manchester United in the seventies. When Sunderland were relegated for the first time ever in 1958 they’d had the longest unbroken top flight run of any side and had been league champions 6 times. So yes.

@davidmcinerney4508

2 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂

@richiesimons4403

2 жыл бұрын

I never knew that about Sunderland....

@blaggerfiftysix

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, and it was a lovely little backheal goal from Denis Law against his old side that sealed their fate on the 27th April 1974, it featured on Match of the Day

@glenrayner1138

2 жыл бұрын

@@blaggerfiftysix didn’t know there were people still daft enough to believe this myth. Proved me wrong though buddy 👏 👏

@borisisanutjob4482

2 жыл бұрын

Fan wise Sunderland is without a doubt the biggest club in Europe 🤣 simple

Everton were one of the big 5 (with spurs, arsenal, liverpool and utd) that set up the premier league. Leeds, newcastle and villa have a shout though.

@cockoffgewgle4993

2 жыл бұрын

By what metric were they were one of the "big 5"? Leeds won it the year before the PL came into being.

@Dave-hu5hr

2 жыл бұрын

@@cockoffgewgle4993 But, but everyone knows football didn't start until 1992! 😂 💙💛

@tomben6180

2 жыл бұрын

Manchester City had won more than Leeds and Newcastle even before the Arab arrived and had much bigger attendance records. The biggest clubs in the 70s were the two north London clubs, Merseyside clubs, Manchester clubs, Villa, Leeds and probably Sunderland.

@Cian097

2 жыл бұрын

@@tomben6180 man City had 2 league titles and 4 fa cups. Newcastle had 4 league titles and 6 fa cups.

@tomben6180

2 жыл бұрын

@@Cian097 What else had City won?

There are many bigger clubs than Everton to go down, don’t know why people are so shocked, they’ve been close to relegation so many times in premier league history. Aston Villa, Newcastle, Forrest and Leeds were much bigger shocks and much bigger clubs too!

@SmallTalkbyQwertyDigital

2 жыл бұрын

@Kraze "especially" Newcastle 😂 - Newcastle are thee biggest on the list pal

@elixirix

2 жыл бұрын

@Kraze Forest won 2 European cups.

@elixirix

2 жыл бұрын

@Kraze they are the 10th most successful club in english football. They were also the first club to pay 1million pounds for a player. Newcastle also broke the world transfer record by some distance to sign Alan Shearer. How many times have Everton broken the transfer record? I guess only small clubs can break transfer records.

@elixirix

2 жыл бұрын

When will you learn that Forest only has one ´r´ ?🤣

@elixirix

2 жыл бұрын

@Kraze I honestly couldn't see your comment, and still can't. I haven't deleted anything. If PSG are considered a bigger club than Everton, it's literally down to spending. PSG were mediocre before the takeover.

Blackburn were considered big when they went down, they'd won the PL title Leeds were considered big when they went down, they were full of big players and a period when they were challenging for the PL title Are Everton really bigger than those two? There's an argument that they're not. Always been a club who's flirted with 4th place and a cup here or there, but wouldn't say them going down would be as big as when the other two did. Maybe it's because people have been used to Everton being in the PL for so long that it would seem like they're the biggest club to go down. Perhaps some weighting should be given to how long they've stayed there rather than what they've done in the same time. Debate could rage on for days....

@KingHumphrey

2 жыл бұрын

Blackburn were never considered big because they were never big. Uncle Jack bought them the title. Leeds had to get rid of all their players because they gambled on continued CL qualification. Everton are bigger than them two by a long way. 9 league titles to Leeds 3. 5 FA cups to 1. Everton - 31,738 ave gate v Leeds - 25,768 over their histories.

@Dave-hu5hr

2 жыл бұрын

@@KingHumphrey Council estate in Liverpool vs the 3rd biggest city in the UK.. Ok. 😂

@virtuallimit8615

2 жыл бұрын

@@Dave-hu5hr 3rd biggest city with a below average trophy haul compared to Everton there you got your answer.

@darthraider450

2 жыл бұрын

@@virtuallimit8615 Everton FC are Liverpool FC's bitch.

@jeremykyleinvestigatesall8227

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely not a debate at all, Everton are massive

Yeah.. loads. Forest, Newcastle, Leeds, West Ham, villa to name a few

In the grand scheme of things Everton are one of the biggest teams in English football and have been consistently over the course of the football league. They've still won the 4th highest number of titles. However, in the PL era they've spent 30 years at the top without ever mounting a remotely serious title challenge. In this respect, Leeds, Blackburn, Villa and Newcastle represent bigger falls from grace. That's not to say these clubs are bigger than Everton, but on the pitch they've certainly dropped further.

@divbody

2 жыл бұрын

I think we need to look over a longer period than just the Premier league, history is a very important element. Over the bigger picture, I would say Everton is bigger than Leeds, Blackburn and arguably Newcastle too; Along with Villa Everton are steeped in history, and still one of the most successful clubs in England with a huge following. Villa though have won the European cup and super cup and their former director William McGregor started the football league in 1880, so they're a bit special!

@maxdecimus13

2 жыл бұрын

@@divbody I think to anyone say 45 and over, Everton are one of the biggest clubs. They were pretty much a mainstay as one of the big clubs before that. To anyone under that age, Everton have almost always been a mid-table team with a very average stadium. The most frustrating thing is that the new stadium could' be the catalyst for a revival. I'd hate to thing that could be under threat.

@divbody

2 жыл бұрын

@@maxdecimus13 I agree the younger supporters need to look further back than 30 years, if we can look back to 1888 so should they! Everton has a right to be considered one of England's grandest football clubs and I hope they don't fall. It would be special to see the club in it's new home. I'm not an Everton fan but I respect the history and tradition of the club, it's a Giant

Villa and Newcastle are bigger clubs than Everton - but for the sheer money spent (and wasted on hacks like Iwobi, Prickford etc), Everton would definitely be seen as the biggest 'shock'. Given their perilous financial state, no guarantee they would bounce back either as I'd imagine most of the squad probably don't have relegation release clauses or wage drop provisions for dropping a division.

@K4izerr

2 жыл бұрын

Newcastle ain't bigger than Everton, Everton have won far more, have way more social media followers etc I don't know how you think Newcastle are bigger

@shiftypowersss

2 жыл бұрын

@@K4izerr Goodison Park - 39,572 St. James Park - 52,405

@virtuallimit8615

2 жыл бұрын

@@shiftypowersss That doesn't mean crap West Ham have bigger stadium than Chelsea but we all know who the biggest club is , Newcastle are nothing in front of Everton.

@ay5402

2 жыл бұрын

@@K4izerr Everton are nothing compared to Newcastle. Everton are only known because of Liverpool. Newcastle is a one complete city club. Do you understand that ?

@felixdale3950

2 жыл бұрын

@@ay5402 how many league titles have Everton won? Much bigger club

Villa Leeds Forest Blackburn

Sunderland, Newcastle, Leeds, Nottingham Forrest, Aston Villa, Man City to name a few

@flashtheoriginal

2 жыл бұрын

Fer Kew

@soltea7926

2 жыл бұрын

Facts

@oufc90

2 жыл бұрын

Everton are probably bigger than all of them. They have more league titles at least

@temporaryuseraccount0012

2 жыл бұрын

​@@oufc90 Everton have just 2 more league titles than Villa, but less domestic cup trophies and no European Cup. So not a bigger or more successful club than Villa overall.

@tomben6180

2 жыл бұрын

@@temporaryuseraccount0012 I’d put Everton, City, Leeds and Villa in the same category, similar Tottenham and Sunderland. All have won 10+ major trophies and played in front of big crowds historically. City’s average league position from 1894-2008 is 6th in the top division (done pre takeover). Villas is 5th, Everton’s is about 3rd. Leeds are further down at about 12th but they had big highs. Forest are about 28th because other than the one league title and two European Cups, there history has been in the lower tiers.

Growing up for me, seeing Leeds, Blackburn, Newcastle, Villa, West Ham, Middlesbrough and Sheffield Wednesday go down were big shocks.

@jayveebloggs9057

2 жыл бұрын

exactly

Biggest clubs i can think of in terms of going down, Nottingham Forest and Aston Villa. European cup winners and rich history and seems down the line both teams did have a fall from grace. Least they found some ways to bounce back, Forest its taken them longer than Villa though to get back into the Premier League. But, they've found a solid foundation these days and now are challenging for promotion and i do hope Forest do get promoted honestly. Can't ever forget how poorly run Forest were until their recent takeover in 2017, they have been climbing back slowly!

Leeds United (2003-04) and Newcastle United (2008-09) are undoubtedly the two biggest shock relegations in EPL history. If Everton were to go down it will certainly match, or be very close to matching, the two mentioned above. Very similar circumstances as well, with poor recruitment and long term off the field issues eventually catching up with them. I hope they stay up but with Burnley now starting to gradually grind out wins and with Everton facing a tougher end of season run in, it isn't looking good.

@slimmershady6368

2 жыл бұрын

Villa a bigger shock than both having never been relegated prior in my opinion

@hursty_-ez2cd

2 жыл бұрын

Everton are a bigger club than both and haven’t been out the top flight for 68 years

@jimmybenyoucef4416

2 жыл бұрын

What about Villa?

@jimmybenyoucef4416

2 жыл бұрын

@@slimmershady6368 I was thinking same thing

@wolfpackpete6408

2 жыл бұрын

@@slimmershady6368 plus Villa have been European champions before

There are plenty of big clubs that have gone down Man Utd , Spurs , Chelsea , Man City , Leicester , Leeds , West Ham ,Aston Villa , Wolves , Newcastle etc......

@MH-vp7lf

2 жыл бұрын

Every club has been relegated, Liverpool in 1954, Arsenal in 1913. This is about PL era

@breakingaustin

2 жыл бұрын

From the EPL lol..

@magicjack4076

2 жыл бұрын

Surprised you call us Leicester a big club always kinda been a yo yo team until our recent success, then again could argue we’ve had big players such as banks, lineker and heskey come through our doors

@stephenpodeschi6052

2 жыл бұрын

@@MH-vp7lf Well Leeds , Man city , Villa , Wolves , Newcastle , West Ham , Leicester , Forrest , Sunderland & others have had to face the drop from the prem league... Everton , Liverpool ,Arsenal have not been relegated from either for a long time Everton back in 1951 for a couple seasons....

@stephenpodeschi6052

2 жыл бұрын

@@magicjack4076 You won the premier league that's big in my books...lol

In the Premier League era, I think that the ‘biggest’ relegations in chronological order were Forest in 1993, Blackburn in 1999, Leeds in 2004, Newcastle in 2009 and Villa in 2016. If Everton go down I think it would top any of those, considering how much money they’ve spent on transfer fees and wages, how long they’ve been in the top flight for (68 consecutive seasons), and the fact that they hadn’t previously faced any serious relegation danger for 18 years since 2003/2004 (I think).

@boneythelynx8884

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I instantly thought of Blackburn

@Gizo02

2 жыл бұрын

@@boneythelynx8884 I’m a Blackburn fan, and that stung as a kid at the time, as it only came 4 years after winning the title, we’d finished 6th and qualified for Europe the season before, and we’d spent / wasted quite a lot of money on Kevin Davies, Christian Dailly and Ashley Ward. In hindsight that relegation was a good thing for us though, as the 2000/2001 promotion season was so much fun and one of my favourite ever as a fan !

@toonlad4091

2 жыл бұрын

Nah... would love to see those Toffe sniffing scouse mackems go down hahahahahaa

Being "big" is not about what you win. Go look around the world, look at the support. Newcastle, Leeds, Spurs are bigger than Everton.

@teslataxi4546

2 жыл бұрын

Being big IS about what you win and Everton are a BIGGER club than Newcastle, who get relegated every other season and has never won anything as far as I can remember, (a bit like Everton).

@TiNRiB

2 жыл бұрын

@@teslataxi4546 oh dear, please get out more...

@Mattman1ism

2 жыл бұрын

@@teslataxi4546 Seriously? It's not where you've been fella,it's where you're at!!

Does anybody remember Man Utd getting relegated in the 1970s? Denis Law scoring the goal which sent them down when he was playing for Man City. But the season they were in the second division was actually quite a joyous affair as they won nearly every game by loads of goals with masses of fans at every away game.

@markconroy4861

2 жыл бұрын

Much like Newcastle with both recent relegations, it was nice to watch a competitive team win a game. I enjoyed us in the championship tbh. Premier league is a marketing monster and the diving, cheating and phrases like " he is entitled to go down " wind me up.

@SIRDKA

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, Man utd fans ran riot through all the second division towns in the country.

West Ham 2002/03 was the biggest imo. Everybody said they were too good to go down. Full of stars like Joe Cole, Defoe, Carrick, Glen Johnson, David James, Di Canio, Lee Bowyer etc. Months before until they were relegated, it was almost said it couldn't happen. But like the Titanic, they were not unsinkable :D Dropped with a staggering 42 points as well, with Bolton surviving on 44 points.

@danielmiller8238

2 жыл бұрын

Don't remind me 😭😭😂

@adityatiwary2221

2 жыл бұрын

42 points? I remember a couple of years ago Southampton had 48 points and finished 8th 💀

@miamitten1123

2 жыл бұрын

West Ham before Moyes was always in a relegation scrap for decades so when it happened it wasn’t the most shock ever.

@jaymurphy3877

2 жыл бұрын

West Han are tiny compared to Everton tho

@hugojc77

2 жыл бұрын

@@miamitten1123 They finished 5th 5 years before getting relegated, and 7th the year prior. Read up before you type

Logically speaking, Everton stay up based on the fixtures remaining. However, I'll go with the opposite of what Gary Neville says as the outcome.

From a neutral, watching Everton in the Championship will be very interesting. Examples of West Ham, Wolves, Fulham, Bournemouth, Watford, WBA, Norwich and Newcastle who have all had their runs in that league were all dominant and earned promotion back to the Premiership. Hope Everton don't get relegated but if they do.... what an interesting fight they will have to bounce back!

@deathdragonslayer1

2 жыл бұрын

They are this generation's Leeds. If they do go down, i honestly can't see them going straight back up given how the club is run.

Villa, Forest. Leeds. All bigger clubs than Everton.

@KingHumphrey

2 жыл бұрын

Most of Villa's success came before electric lighting, never mind television. Since WW2 Everton have been far bigger and more successful than both of them clubs. The only thing that have over Everton is European Cup success. Notts Forest aren't even big, they are a small club who happened to have a genius manager.

@gazthegreat132

2 жыл бұрын

@@KingHumphrey haha. Yeah, the last time u won something was in 95. I would say Everton are a bigger club historical than Man City. Historically England has two main clubs. Liverpool, Man U The next group would be Arsenal, Chelsea. Then historical teams like Villa, Everton, Forest, Leeds and Spurs. Then the new money comes teams like Man city. Clubs with massive following but haven't won much like Newcastle and West Ham. So I would say if Everton went down they would probably be on par with Villa going down 6 season ago. But would Everton be known as a sleeping giant like Villa were?

@Dave-hu5hr

2 жыл бұрын

@Jordan Reynolds Leeds is bigger than Villa.

Everton are a nostalgic premier league club let’s have this right, I’d put Nottingham Forest above them. Everton and Leeds are similar too. Really want to see Everton relegated just for the aftermath ha.

@d.akerejola6165

2 жыл бұрын

Just for the aftermath looool

@hursty_-ez2cd

2 жыл бұрын

Everton are fat bigger than Forrest and Leeds 9 league titles is the 4th most of any team and they have 13 more trophies than Forrest

@leigh7507

2 жыл бұрын

They won the league in 87. Its 30 years ago but not that long in time

@primordiak

2 жыл бұрын

Everton miles bigger than Forest for me. Leeds and Newcastle similar. Villa are the biggest to go down

@beatsbyadmiralz5915

2 жыл бұрын

@@primordiak lmao Forest won 2 european cups

I’m pushing 40 and have never once wanted to watch an Everton team play on the tv specifically as they have never had aside to me worthy of fun or achievement. Living off mid level achievements from decades ago. Certainly not too big to go down. Leeds and certain Newcastle teams a much bigger shock and villa and forest bigger clubs

@virtuallimit8615

2 жыл бұрын

Everton are bigger than all of them apart from maybe Villa

@thiefoftomorrow

2 жыл бұрын

@@virtuallimit8615 based in what exactly?? Being the second team in a large football city

@temporaryuseraccount0012

2 жыл бұрын

@@thiefoftomorrow Agreed. What even are Everton as a club identity, apart from a perennial reminder to everyone of how much more successful their other local rivals, Liverpool F.C. are? Everton are the real "floaters" of the EPL ... they just exist to exist within the top flight, achieving very little, for what seems like forever. Time to flush that turd out of the league!

@harryweatherill5480

2 жыл бұрын

They have always been shite to watch

@pcon8

2 жыл бұрын

@@temporaryuseraccount0012 Nine league championships.....

Souness questioning pogbas roll in evertons current form.

@cs3473

2 жыл бұрын

Is Souness to Pogba what Cato is to Carthage? (Sorry, history nerd moment...)

@electedwalnut607

2 жыл бұрын

role*

@breakingaustin

2 жыл бұрын

Not funny anymore

Aston Villa, I’d say they’re bigger than Everton. Possibly Leeds United too.

@jackgilfillan6171

2 жыл бұрын

Newcastle are bigger

@mickharrison9004

2 жыл бұрын

Nah Everton are bigger than villa specially when there new 60,000 stadium is built .

@VailingGoose

2 жыл бұрын

@@mickharrison9004 But with relegation looming,will it ever be built.

@jonesjames6254

2 жыл бұрын

Everton bigger

@garethparry6673

2 жыл бұрын

@@mickharrison9004 it’s only 50,000 plus

I remember the season everton finished in 4th place, but with a minus goal difference. Lots of 1-0 wins and a few big defeats. They have always been punching above their weight.

@markcartwright8907

2 жыл бұрын

must be some weight...9 league titles.

Aston Villa, Leeds, Newcastle? All big clubs. You might say Forest as well, but they were never as big a club - they just did absolutely amazing things under Clough. It was less of a surprise when Villa and Newcastle went down as the decline had been slower and it was obvious where they were headed, whereas if Everton go down, it would be a shock. More similar to Leeds in that respect.

Villa, Newcastle are arguably bigger clubs than Everton and they've been relegated before *I retract my statement Newcastle are not bigger than Everton* It is indeed a one club city up in the northeast, and I'm not a fan of the source of their dirty money, their owners commit blatant human rights violations everyday but they sweep it under the rug because they want money pumped into their club, if they are successful they won't be well liked, they'll be like man city whose owners don't deserve the success they've bought Lovely to see the arguments for and against though 🤩🤩

@alexashworth6618

2 жыл бұрын

What exactly makes Newcastle a big club other than it’s a lot of fans in a big stadium

@stevenwest0

2 жыл бұрын

@@alexashworth6618 you forgot the richest owners in the world. Ever

@lukepatterson5367

2 жыл бұрын

Newcastle hahaha they were up and down the league's up until early 90's . Everton have been in the top flight for donkeys!! They were also the best team in the country in the mid 80's ... Newcastle being relegated for the I don't no how many times in the last 40 years how can that be compared to Everton ?

@silvanow8768

2 жыл бұрын

@@alexashworth6618 I could ask you exactly the same thing what makes Everton a bigger club than Newcastle?

@Lem8sh

2 жыл бұрын

Newcastle only a wee club up in the North East

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@Hokage-Alpha

2 жыл бұрын

Deep

@therealdonut45

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you. I'm waiting on a decision for a new job in a new career that I've wanted for some time. I really hope this is it after all the rejections.

In the Premier League era, Forest, Villa and Leeds. Not a difficult one to answer is it. Granted when Forest and Villa went down it was on the cards, I don't think it has been for Everton since around 95? And Forest and Villa have both won European Cups? Does that make them bigger clubs than Everton? (And as a West Brom fan I really don't like giving Villa anything other than stick but facts are facts) And Leeds reached a European Cup final too didn't they? Granted Everton have won the European Cup Winners Cup

@tonynesbit9673

2 жыл бұрын

9 league titles says different mate.

@wawawswfc4957

2 жыл бұрын

The most successful club in yorkshire are sheffield Wednesday....

@tomben6180

2 жыл бұрын

City in 1996.

@tonynesbit9673

2 жыл бұрын

Stop it Tom,you were never bigger than us,we still have more titles than you even with your billions over the last 12 years.

@tomben6180

2 жыл бұрын

@@tonynesbit9673 “billions” lol. People just pluck figures out of thin air. We’re two away from you with possibly one more this season. Your trophy winning days are over pal.

Newcastle, Forest, Villa, Leeds, plenty of big clubs have gone down

Nottingham Forest. And I'd love to see them promoted. ( Man U Fan )

@temporaryuseraccount0012

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I'd gladly exchange Everton's place to welcome Forest back to the top flight again.

Nottingham Forest are the best team to go down from the premier league. We won 2 European Cups (which were harder to win than the modern day champions league) won 1 title won 2 FA cups and won 5 league cups. Why are people even debating this😂. Nobody expected Forest to go down that season at all.

i cant remember quiet when it was as everton have had so many managers but i think it was when marco silva was appointed that eddie howe was one of the names mentioned. a lot of people felt he would have been the right choice he's a really good manager.

No club is too big to go down and I literally mean all clubs you have to earn the right to stay up I have never understood this debate it's actually the reason why Everton are in the situation they are in as Campbell eluded to in this piece but there have been quite big clubs relegated I mean m city have been relegated and look how good they are now so things change in football over the years 😎😎

@freddiepitts7611

2 жыл бұрын

City getting promoted was more of a surprise at that time than them getting relegated

@simonoliver8576

2 жыл бұрын

@@freddiepitts7611 haven't they been relegated from the premier league twice m8 ?

@dreaming765

2 жыл бұрын

y do use "literally" when there is no context to use it?

@simonoliver8576

2 жыл бұрын

@@dreaming765 ok then sorry 😎

@samuelalexander1014

2 жыл бұрын

@@dreaming765 that was a perfectly viable context to use the term literally.

Chelsea should win against Man U and leave Lampard's Everton win

@LakadMatatag2702

2 жыл бұрын

Chelsea is endangered of losing top 4. They won't show mercy to Everton.

@bensmith5581

2 жыл бұрын

@@LakadMatatag2702 No they aren't, especially if they beat united

@ctrlaltdeligt

2 жыл бұрын

@@LakadMatatag2702 we aren’t really endangered but yeah we won’t stop playing at our best for them although we are ‘charity FC ‘ lol

@terrigoddard3448

2 жыл бұрын

I thought it was Frank Lampoon.

@muchiosgracias4

2 жыл бұрын

@@ctrlaltdeligt we? You have no connection to Chelsea plastic

Brilliant spell under Clough but not even sure Forest are a traditional top flight club, they have spent more seasons outside the top league than in it, fan base is good but plenty bigger, Everton way bigger imo

Best on club fan base I'd say: 1. Newcastle 2. Everton (if they go down) 3. Villa

Yes Newcastle and Aston villa.

@terrypankhurst7601

2 жыл бұрын

Leeds

@alexashworth6618

2 жыл бұрын

Newcastle have never won anything in 60 years

@Aisatsana1971

2 жыл бұрын

Portsmouth

@AAger96

2 жыл бұрын

@@Aisatsana1971 Portsmouth🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@Aisatsana1971

2 жыл бұрын

@@AAger96 won the most trophies on the south coast

Sheffield Wednesday?? 14th place for most major trophies won by English football clubs. We were one of the top 4 teams and almost won the league in the 90s before money became a big influence in football. Yes Everton, Villa and Newcastle are bigger than us but come on Wednesday, Leeds, Forest, Sheffield United, Blackburn, Wolves are clubs that need to be mentioned as all in England at some point have been in the top 4 of the first division (Premier League). Even back in the 90s Sheffield Wednesday v Sheffield United was a bigger derby than Man City v Man Utd, just look at the fa Cup semi that was played. So give the other teams a mention especially forest and Leeds as much as we dislike each other gotta respect what they achieved.

@johnsr10

2 жыл бұрын

Trouble with Wednesday is they've created a new history of failure and underachievement during the last 20-25 years, the stadium has been neglected for the most part and the club has repeatedly been in the third tier. It's a real shame considering the clubs history and support, glad i'm old enough to remember the 80s and 90s and some of the teams and players we had in that era.

@benhowlett7693

2 жыл бұрын

Massive

@countingcards1208

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnsr10 Historically Wednesday are massive and the fan base is still huge, but I agree, last 20 years they’ve set new standards. Finishing top 6 in the championship is an excellent season now.

@fifaworld3225

2 жыл бұрын

The problem is you say Sheffield Wednesday and newer fans will look at you in league 1 and instantly forget/write off anything you've ever done. Same goes for as you said Forest although they are currently in the championship

Villa and forest spring to mind, both have European cups to their name and a long history, especially villa as I'm not so clued up on the honours forest have outside of what clough got them.

If the current crop at Everton, who have led the club to its current position in the table, are unable to lift their game (& the club out of the relegation zone) then it's a matter of great urgency to bring in some players who are capable of doing this.

Aston Villa is slightly bigger club than Everton in my eyes. Im Liverpool fan, but i would like Toffees to stay back in the league. Also I would like more two strong Merseyside clubs than two of Manchesters.

@virtuallimit8615

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamiehale4078 None are bigger than Man City

@temporaryuseraccount0012

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamiehale4078 Villa also have more major domestic cup trophies than Everton, don't forget that. That, plus the European cup edges Villa slightly ahead of Everton. What even are Everton as a club identity, apart from a perennial reminder to everyone of how much more successful their other local rivals, Liverpool F.C. are?

@Roy-xc1mz

2 жыл бұрын

@@temporaryuseraccount0012 plus 9 of Everton's cups are Community shields (which no one really cares about) compared to only 3 of villa's.

The size of the club being relegated is irrelevant, every club bar arsenal have been relegated at some point. What is big is the magnitude of the drop. Everton were top of the league in October/November 2020, and now touted for the drop a season and a half later. Thats the comparison that needs to be made To add to the fact, Everton were still as high as 2nd at the start of January 2021

@Colby_0-3_IRL_and_title_fights

2 жыл бұрын

Aston Villa were second at one point

@pleasantville4529

2 жыл бұрын

@Liverpool FC The reason for Liverpool's so called attractiveness is driven by success. People follow successful clubs, rather than the clubs in the "locality". Everton are in a different class to Liverpool regarding recent achievements, of that there is no question. As for the thought that Evertonians believe they are too big to go down, that's a myth. We are in danger of losing our top flight position and are realistic about that.

@collinskelv4406

2 жыл бұрын

Arsenal has never been relegated

@pleasantville4529

2 жыл бұрын

@@collinskelv4406 They did however go into voluntary liquidation in 1910 and were removed from the football league. They then bought their way back into the league in 1919 after WW1.

@pleasantville4529

2 жыл бұрын

@Liverpool FC I'm sorry that you believe that.

How did it get this bad as long as I can remember Everton always finished in the top half of the table and their overall squad was not as good as it is now

@pleasantville4529

2 жыл бұрын

Shane, in the last few years Everton have been overpaying for players that do not have the fight and determination needed to keep us in the premier league. During David Moyes tenure, he was berated for not making the marquee signings that have appeared since his departure. Unfortunately, those signings turned out to be nothing more than mercenaries out for a big pay day. Moyes knew that and would not waste money on players that had the talent but not the guts.

@lucapagano7636

2 жыл бұрын

@@pleasantville4529 also the club was poor and couldn't afford to keep star players or hold on to wondering from the academy Moyes has said in press conferences he was 1 marque striker away from top 4

@pleasantville4529

2 жыл бұрын

@@lucapagano7636 Agreed mate. However, that marquee striker had to be one that Moyes identified. Not a player that only signed to sell a few shirts.

Not a club with the history of those already mentioned but strangest club relegation was 90s Middlesbrough when they got relegated whilst reaching the final in both cups

@johnevans5064

2 жыл бұрын

Or my club Man City relegated in 1938 going down as League Champions having won it the previous season

What a stupid question! Man Utd went down in the 70s and they are the biggest club on the planet!

@aotea6983

2 жыл бұрын

But that was before the premier league so obviously never actually happened

@premgoyal4192

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Six years after being the first English club to win the European Cup. I just wrote this comment myself not realizing that you had already stated this fact.

@Dave-hu5hr

2 жыл бұрын

*Real Madrid

Forest and Sheffield Wednesday are certainly on par. Villa, Leeds. If we're only talking premiership era. Obviously united got relegated in the 70s

Aston Villa, Leeds, Newcastle, West Ham. All these teams have been a staple of the premier league for years. It’s gonna happen eventually to half the teams in the prem. no different to any other year

For me the craziest club to be relegated from the Premier League were Leeds. Top flight winners in 1992, Champions League semi finalists in 2000, and then relegated just 4 years later. Although, Everton would be a HUGE shock to go down given their financial resources.

@paulgray7014

2 жыл бұрын

UEFA Cup Semi-finals in 2000 Champions league Semi-finals in 2001 then went down in 2004. called having Peter Ridsdale as your owner!!

@ashtongodfrin6999

2 жыл бұрын

@@paulgray7014 Yep.

Everton's biggest problem is they are almost certainly going to have a hefty points deduction next season for breaching FFP by £270m (from what I've heard, the exact figure may be different). They aren't going to come straight back up with that.

@lucapagano7636

2 жыл бұрын

the League said they would not get a point deduction but they will need to sell there best players like Richarlson and Calvert lewin to be able to sign anyone

Words cannot express how badly I want Everton to go down. They are the most boring club in premiership history. They never win any trophies, never challenge for trophies, never challenge for European spots.. never battle relegation... They just exist. Hopefully they go down this year 🤞

@cactusjax3779

2 жыл бұрын

Only 3 clubs have won the league more times than Everton 😂

@adolfdassler9457

2 жыл бұрын

They've spent more time in the top tier than anyone. 🤷🏻‍♂️

@kingstephenii2227

2 жыл бұрын

@@cactusjax3779 Sorry but 1930 doesn't count anymore

@cactusjax3779

2 жыл бұрын

@@kingstephenii2227 30s?!? Do yourself a favour and go and look at English football in the 80s. Everton were perennial winners

@cactusjax3779

2 жыл бұрын

@Liverpool FC Everton fan? I support Derby, i’ve not got a dog in this fight. The definition of perennial is continually recurring, Everton won 9 trophies in the 80s and would have potentially been more if scumbag murdering Liverpool fans didn’t get English clubs kicked out of Europe.

Newcastle are on the up and Everton need to follow suit and have a game plan if they stay up. Spending is fine but does it help the team and is there consistency, plus the right coach in place. Everton can challenge but there not in sync.

Manchester UTD we’re relegated in the 1973 / 1974 season from the first division to the second division, they came back up as champions the following season. Questionable wether they have been the biggest club ever relegated from the top tier of English football?

If Everton go down they wont be coming back up for years. Could be a Leeds situation or worse

What a disgrace for Everton 😂

What Souness said was a load of nonsense. Yes recruitment is important but a manager is the most important to recruit correctly. Let's not forget 16-18 months ago Ancelotti had this team second with largely the same team. And they didn't look anywhere near relegation

@elainekerslake6865

2 жыл бұрын

All went wrong when James lost interest. He was a class player.

@hunsler1006

2 жыл бұрын

@@elainekerslake6865 wouldn't say he lost interest, played a lot of games while injured. And if he wasn't injury prone he'd have been too good for Everton anyway. Then when Benitez turned up we weren't even out of pre season and he was using him as a Scape goat, don't blame him for not sticking around for that (again). He was class though.

@lucapagano7636

2 жыл бұрын

@@hunsler1006 when he was fit he was the best player on the pitch but he had to play half limping and couldn't run and never tracked back a bit like ozil

@hunsler1006

2 жыл бұрын

@@lucapagano7636 I personally think that not tracking back was a bit of a fallacy, he wasn't quick so couldn't get back quickly but I remember Everton players praising his defensive work rate before anyone actually criticised it

Villa circled the drain for years before we went down, wasn't a surprise to anyone we were garbage and gave up Both clubs are very similar in size and history but Everton have dropped like a stone making it a bigger thing, not a bigger club but a bigger thing

@lapalfan

2 жыл бұрын

MON and Randy gave up - everyone who came in after tried to steady a sinking ship, with numerous holes in it. It was a 5/6 year decline due to lack of investment when MON left and Randy Lerner's very expensive divorce..

@divbody

2 жыл бұрын

This is true and it serves as a warning to clubs like Villa and Newcastle who it appears have bags of money to spend! In particular Newcastle fans should take note, they are insisting that the club will be the new CITY; however, due to tighter fair play rules we will not see the CITY blueprint happen again no matter how they try to dodge fair play, especially if Everton is relegated after a spend of around $600M.

Leeds are a 1 club city. Much bigger relegation especially considering they were in the CL semis a few years before

@GeorgeBot7

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I think Leeds, Newcastle, West Ham, Everton and Villa are all of similar size. Newcastle and Leeds have the 1 club city factor but it's just semantics comparing those 5. Forest should be up there too but they've not been up in the prem for so long now.

@accountformelyknownasarsen3072

2 жыл бұрын

1 club city that have never had an average attendance of 40,000 or more. Everton are miles bigger than Leeds. Leeds had one golden period in their history, Everton have won league titles in SEVEN different decades and trophies in NINE different decades. Everton have only played FOUR seasons outside the top flight in their entire history. Leeds have played well over 40 seasons outside of it. Everton are historically the 4th biggest club in this country - behind Utd, Liverpool and The Arsenal - and they`ll easily become the biggest club to have been relegated from the Premier League if they go down.

@ArchieFatcackie

2 жыл бұрын

Leeds a one club city what’s that got to do with anything. As has been mentioned they’ve never in their history averaged 40,000 in a season.

@Santiago-ct2rv

2 жыл бұрын

@@accountformelyknownasarsen3072 pov you watch golf

@alexfordford6957

2 жыл бұрын

@@ArchieFatcackie because the stadium only holds 36000. And it hasn't been upgraded because of the relegations and financial situation. There are plans to upgrade it to 50000-60000 capacity

Villa, Leeds, Forrest, west ham, Newcastle. Everton would be up there.

@iCannoNz98

2 жыл бұрын

Bolton

@pistonhedd

2 жыл бұрын

Middlesbrough have quite a few times. Hull City you could argue, even both Sheffield clubs.

@waynephillips3234

2 жыл бұрын

@@De7Sanchez west ham average 60k every home game

Everton in the late 80's and early and mid 90's they were just middle table team, they weren't a top team but they stayed in the Premiership for long time

@TheGiantKillers

2 жыл бұрын

In the 1980s there was an undisputed big five, irrespective of where they finished in the league. [Actually Everton were anything but a mid table side in the late 80s, they had one season out of the top 4 and won the title in 1987] The big five were Arsenal, Everton, Liverpool, Manchester United and Spurs. The latter two hadn't won the title in a generation and had both been relegated in the 70s. The stature by which these five were measured went way beyond results on the pitch. These five clubs were run on a completely different level to every other club. They were the first corporate boardrooms while Forest, Villa, Leeds, Newcastle and the like were still being run as they had been in the 1920s. Today we measure big purely on results because everybody went corporate and then went beyond that again in the 21st Century. As a result there is a difference in modern opinion of Everton. Those old enough to remember the 80s and how Football was then will undoubtedly say Everton were and re a big club, those not old enough would arguably say Everton aren't a big club. Bear in mind with Everton, this is still the only club that have never gone more than a decade without posting a top ten finish. To maintain such a level for 130 years is pretty impressive by anyone's standards.

Graeme ‘I come back to it’ Souness

As a Liverpool fan I would love to see Everton go down ❤️❤️❤️❤️

@gedmason6387

2 жыл бұрын

Me too. They are an absolute disgrace owners manager players fans

@liamefc97

2 жыл бұрын

You're a telly Clapper pipe down

Imagine kicking Rafa and replacing him with lampard hahahahahaha

@lucapagano7636

2 жыл бұрын

at least lampard has actual got some points Rafa didn't get more then 2 points form 13 games which is derby nearly if not worse form

To be honest with you guys, I think Leeds is the one with the biggest task ahead but everything is possible in football.

could easily see Everton having a strong downward drift, finding themselves fighting with Sunderland within the decade

I think Leeds, Newcastle, West Ham, Everton and Villa are all of similar size. Newcastle and Leeds have the 1 club city factor but it's just semantics comparing those 5. Forest should be up there too but they've not been up in the prem for so long now.

@Dom99Z

2 жыл бұрын

I mean Sunderland bigger then Newcastle Leeds and West ham

@el_millse

2 жыл бұрын

Couldn't have said it better myself.

@cage94123567890

2 жыл бұрын

@@Dom99Z Biggest club in league one. Getting a documentary about how sad being a mackem is doesn't make you more renowned.

@normalvillafan2887

2 жыл бұрын

West ham are not big

@jackjude

2 жыл бұрын

West Ham? Maybe because they moved into a free big ground. Otherwise they're more similar to Southampton in their records.

Aston Villa, Leeds, Man City, Newcastle are surely all as ‘big’ as Everton?

@macky453

2 жыл бұрын

Not worldwide though. Everton are a much bigger club world wide.

@deanlowdon8381

2 жыл бұрын

@@macky453 What are you basing that on?

@Dave-hu5hr

2 жыл бұрын

@@deanlowdon8381 His imagination after the glue hit.. 👃

Absolutely, Notthingham Forest.

City, Leeds and Sunderland going down to League One, retrospectively, were the biggest in the Premier League Era. City were the first team to play in League One having won 10+ major trophies and holding the biggest home attendance record in English football. Leeds had also won 10 major trophies and were a CL club just before it. Sunderland were probably the 3rd biggest name ever to fall that low.

@sacgaming5912

2 жыл бұрын

And Bolton to league 2..

@tomben6180

2 жыл бұрын

@@sacgaming5912 Yeah that’s another that was a big one. I went to a Bolton game in hospitality a couple of years ago and that stadium is a premier league ground easily

@sacgaming5912

2 жыл бұрын

@@tomben6180 Gorgeous ain’t it! Still getting 20k a week after what they’ve been through recently. Sold out nearly every away game too.

@tomben6180

2 жыл бұрын

@@sacgaming5912 it’s probably 3rd best in the North West after Utd, Liverpool and City. Although you could argue it’s nicer than Old Trafford and Anfield which are a bit dated.

I’m a Forest fan but the way I determine a big club is watch them go down and see how many fans stick around. We have been selling our home and away all season. Leeds always brought 5k fans to The City Ground, so did Wednesday, Villa, Sheff Utd, Newcastle and Sunderland. Teams that have been through hardship and their fans still support through thick and thin, and still keep pushing on regardless. Yes we had most of our glory within 4/5 years but it’s stuck continuously and we have fans all over the world because of it. Let’s see how many fans are at Everton next season if they go down. New fans will just look at the prem now and think they’re all big clubs but those same people forget that football existed before money ruined it.

@endareddan

2 жыл бұрын

Manchester City with 35k+ when they were in the Championship and League 1 ( old 1st and 2nd divisions

@indiekiddrugpatrol3117

2 жыл бұрын

Forest fans keep bragging about attendance when it's their best season in years they haven't consistently sold out like they do this season

Nottingham Forest?

Villa, Leeds, Everton, Forest, Derby - all pretty massive clubs of the yester year. I think when they were relegated though they’ve all completely slumped to being pretty poor. Everton are in that cycle the past couple of seasons. If they stay up, it’ll only be a matter of time.

@indiekiddrugpatrol3117

2 жыл бұрын

@@easygroove3204 still way bigger than tinpot Birmingham

Everton are down, I told my friends they would go down at Christmas and they've been in freefall ever since. Everyone around them has been winning, it's looking extremely ominous for them.

Yes. Leeds, Nottingham forest, Newcastle twice, were all massive clubs when they went down. Newcastle for example have double the fanbase of Everton

@metrobar3367

2 жыл бұрын

But none are bigger in terms of history !! & success.

@christophirelad9636

2 жыл бұрын

And aston villas got a bigger fansbase and history than newcastle

@magdebates2697

2 жыл бұрын

i dont even know who aston villa are they sound like a ice scream lol .

@alanhaynes9672

2 жыл бұрын

@@metrobar3367 forest are far bigger. Most of Everton’s titles were won before any current fans were alive, so you count really count any of that. Otherwise you’d say the Benfica are the biggest club in Europe!

@metrobar3367

2 жыл бұрын

@@alanhaynes9672 yes u can. It’s called history

They’re mentioning this because of how many trophies Everton F.C have won in total. I think Villa may have 1 more trophy in total or 1 less, depending on what trophies you are counting. But I think because they have won 9 league titles. But because of how much Everton has spent in the last 6 years makes it even more worse

@temporaryuseraccount0012

2 жыл бұрын

Well in terms of "biggest club" as they said, arguably Villa are at least a similar level, if not "bigger". Everton won 9 top flight league titles to Villa's 7. But then, Villa have won more domestic cup trophies and have also won the European Cup/Champions league, whereas Everton haven't. So, ...Yeah.

@lmanofficial5478

2 жыл бұрын

@@temporaryuseraccount0012 okay mate that your opinion. 😂😂

@lmanofficial5478

2 жыл бұрын

@@temporaryuseraccount0012 by 1 cup

@temporaryuseraccount0012

2 жыл бұрын

​@@lmanofficial5478 The majority of Everton's cup trophies are mainly comprised of 9 'Community Shields' which no fan really cares about and is treated more as a pre-season friendly. A formality, to kick of the new season. Villa on the other hand have won the European cup (which Everton haven't) and Villa have also won far more major domestic cup trophies: 7 FA Cups and 5 League cups. That objectively dwarfs Everton's cup trophies. Also, the fact that Everton have never once won the League Cup in their entire existence is quite remarkable, given that Everton, along with Villa were founding members of the English football league in 1988. How have they managed that in over 60 years of that League Cup competition? (which commenced in 1960) Incredible!