Two things I'd like to note before I hit the benchmarks, 1- CMOS batteries are not included because Chinese customs can get super anal about it for no reason. Same reason amazon packages for battery powered things have the lithium warning label. 2- the bios setting for memory is under chipset, you have to manually set the maximum speed (auto is 2133) and then set XMP. It will run 3600c17 no issues though settings are rather confusing Bonus- don't enable sleep mode, it's very broken

@mcslender2965

Жыл бұрын

Dawid should do a round 2 testing with the proper RAM speed, that could fix the CPU bottleneck

@Fay7666

Жыл бұрын

@@mcslender2965 IDK if it would change much, it was only using Slot1/2 so it's single-channel.

@Jimmys_TheBestCop

Жыл бұрын

Is there a way to do continuos boost speed?

@guesswho2778

Жыл бұрын

@@Jimmys_TheBestCop using throttlestop, yes. it can also be used to undervolt as with laptop cpus performance is usually changed via a power limit, you can get it to squeeze more into its small power limit by undervolting it, it also has the side effect of reducing heat. you can also increase that power limit, though unless its a u series i cant recommend it, i know those have lots of headroom but i dont know about others. look into it before increasing power limits.

@ausfoodgarden

Жыл бұрын

Do you have one of these things and have you worked it hard for any length of time? I'm actually considering getting one (Not for gaming)

These motherboards with soldered mobile cpus are actually really popular in developing countries. Here in Brazil, basically all tech channels were testing and reviewing them past month

@mikeymaiku

Жыл бұрын

Price to performance is the way in all countries with lower than average economy / dollar value

@DigitalJedi

Жыл бұрын

Honestly if you can find one with a Ryzen 6000 APU on it you'll have yourself a very slick little gaming machine. The 6980HX is a monster of a mobile chip and the iGPU is comparable to the RX6400 or 6500 with the power sliders maxed out.

@andreasu.3546

Жыл бұрын

@@mikeymaiku I'd say it's the way everywhere, why waste money even if you have it? You could spend it on other nice things. BTW: World average gdp per capita is 12k$/a, Brazil is 18, so well above average.

@DawidDoesTechStuff

Жыл бұрын

That’s cool! They do seem like really good value for money. Not surprised they are popular. 😁

@michealnguyen7486

Жыл бұрын

@@DigitalJedi can i get a link?

Gonna say, Aliexpress xeon kits are kind of impressive, would be very nice to see one featured here.

@moji3812

Жыл бұрын

yeah

@nightbirdds

Жыл бұрын

I think this might actually be more powerful than one of those old Xeons. Would be worth comparing.

@MiGujack3

Жыл бұрын

They used to be. Now it's not a good option anymore. Besides, they are not that reliable either, I very recently built one for a friend and the front audio didn't work.

@_pawe9237

Жыл бұрын

yes, especially the x99 ones with a sketchy motherboard - would like to see it with Dawid.

@L4ftyOne

Жыл бұрын

​@@MiGujack3nobody uses front audio

Enable overclock on advance tab, on pch chipset tab find the only option with TRUE or FALSE configurations and set to FALSE and then you set XMP and ram voltage and it works.

@slothysoap4589

Жыл бұрын

Engaging with your comment to get it higher up!

@sanc9808

6 ай бұрын

nice

Although I'd never buy one myself, I think creating these motherboards to use up old laptop CPUs that likely would become e waste if not used, is a fantastic idea. If you were looking for a low/mid system, or even an interim system if your old board blewup, this could keep you going until you can buy another decent mobo cpu package.

@AnnaDoes

Жыл бұрын

Agreed! And it’s surprisingly powerful.

@kevinheimann7664

Жыл бұрын

got an aliexpress i9 9980hk running on an h110 motherboard running great as efficent game server

@mikeymaiku

Жыл бұрын

@@kevinheimann7664 yep. I opted for the xeon 2286 8c16t chip over that one. Running in a b250i strix but im considering making a nas/plex server with dual tesla p4s connected with a m.2 adatpor for the 2nd card. Will be cool to get it in under 5L :o

@shaneeslick

Жыл бұрын

🤔I could understand if it was your CPU that died as for us down here in Australia the i7-11700F is $459AUD & i7-11800H version is $344.90AUD, but if it is the Mobo that died not so much because even if I was on last gen LGA1200 or AM4 I can get a decent new Mobo for $150-$200AUD meaning I have $150-$200AUD extra for a LGA1700 or AM5 platform upgrade.

@leondeco4835

Жыл бұрын

​@@kevinheimann7664 give me link bro

Dawid, the cmos battery is usually the most expensive part of an AliExpress motherboard

@itsdokko2990

Жыл бұрын

@Silvio Balaško yeah, transport services are quite finnicky with battery transportation, i've bought a motherboard from Ali, most sellers will tell you it's without battery for transport safety, i'd imagine CR2032s are based of lithium, which is a big no-no, specially on a plane

@TGDTech

Жыл бұрын

@Silvio Balaško some places worldwide won't accept shipping anything containing a removable battery

@passalapasa

Жыл бұрын

no, its bc its illigal to send baterios cause fire hazzard

@thedungeondelver

Жыл бұрын

And the best performing.

@nadtz

Жыл бұрын

@Silvio Balaško This. Been that way for decades. Used to be a pain in the butt for me when we shipped certain systems and couldn't pre configure the bios properly because we had to pull the battery before shipping the system.

Idk why but I'm fascinated with these weird motherboards. I know Linus also unboxed a motherboard with a built in gpu as well.

@aleksazunjic9672

Жыл бұрын

Not that weird, there is a surplus of laptop CPUs and GPUs due to recession and reduction in purchasing power. These companies buy them in bulk and sell them as cheap desktop PC parts

@Poyonep

Жыл бұрын

@@aleksazunjic9672 I was wondering if they were buying up broken laptops with CPU and GPU chips still intact

@darrenfalconer3267

Жыл бұрын

Built in gpu or CPU?

@aleksazunjic9672

Жыл бұрын

@@Poyonep Usually no, there are lot of unused CPU and GPU chips sitting in warehouses. These could not be sold to general public, so they wait for manufacturers like this one .

@davidcobra1735

Жыл бұрын

Most CPUs have integrated graphics these days man. The only difference here is that it's a laptop part soldered directly to the mobo. Why you would be this cheap us beyond me. And video on mobos? Yeah you could find some mobos like that pre 2010. Mobos that used Nvidia's later nForce chipsets for example had Nvidia laptop video cards on them because the 8k/9k Geforce series cards were super hot and super power hungry so they decided to let you dynamically switch to a lower power GPU on the mobo. The feature was called Hybrid Power and there was also something called Hybrid SLI (with a Geforce 8200 or 8400 with DDR2). They dropped support for everything like 2 years later lol. The onboard video is basically a Geforce 8200m which I'm still using right now woohoo! I'm actually having compatibility problems with a new dedicated card I just bought so yeah, I'm watching some tech vids to sooth my anger and frustration...

As far as i remember there is a very convoluted way of enabling xmp on these boards. You should try asking the seller for instructions. Also there is a 12th-gen board coming out soon (march if i remember correctly)

@DanielGT_93

Жыл бұрын

Enable overclock on advance tab, on pch chipset tab find the only option with TRUE or FALSE configurations and set to FALSE and then you set XMP and ram voltage and it works.

@poop-bq9ev

Жыл бұрын

i wonder if you can overclock the cpu for maybe more performance?

@jayhardway23

Жыл бұрын

I have my eye on the "lowly" I5-1250P, ITX form Factor, but I'm not holding my breath..

@vipvip-tf9rw

Жыл бұрын

@@poop-bq9evjust buy regular desktop cpu, It will be more powerfull

@id_mynxx

Жыл бұрын

@@poop-bq9ev You can. These ES chips have no restrictions on them. Even XTU works as normal.

The reason it doesn't come with a cmos battery is because of the strict chinese transport law regarding batteries

@Ba_Yegu

Жыл бұрын

Many AliExpress sellers are telling batteries not included due the strict restrictions on Chinese airlines, but then when the product arrives it still has batteries included or installed. 😉

@joggabonkers6380

Жыл бұрын

Also batteries and air freight.. not a great combo

@iikatinggangsengii2471

Жыл бұрын

theyre cheap and can be found anywhere local electric shops, its 2242 or smth 3.3v

@iikatinggangsengii2471

Жыл бұрын

watch battery

@EDV8ZR1

Жыл бұрын

​@@iikatinggangsengii2471 It's ironic that they Sell those Batteries in bulk on AliExpress and Alibaba and on Amazon direct from China and Taiwan.

I actually ordered one of the non engineering sample ones myself for use as a home server because of the low power draw. They’re very interesting and for the price I think they have a ton of potential for server/htpc/sff rigs.

@IanC14

Жыл бұрын

What terms ddi you search for to find them?

@stathisdespoudis42

Жыл бұрын

I am thinking of doing the same, didn't do it yet because I dont know if I can use hardware transcoding on Plex , did you happen to try it ?

@jamiemallett7448

Жыл бұрын

@@stathisdespoudis42 I've got the 1.8 ES version running unRAID and hardware transcoding is working fine , can't beat it for the £100 It cost. Only had it running for about a week but so far no problems

@mikeymaiku

Жыл бұрын

@@stathisdespoudis42 the chip should be good. Otherwise the igpu wouldnt be usable. Now software accepting the chip who knows

@slavic_gecko

Жыл бұрын

I just got an i7 variant for the same exact reason!

you know if they made an ITX version of this , it would be even more appealing than it already is (depending on the price)

@mikeymaiku

Жыл бұрын

i would get one just so i can run unlocked for low power usage. i would love to tweak it for a 250w max power solution

@HavokR505

Жыл бұрын

theres a few kits with and i7 that are going for like $320 Cad. mobo, CPU, Ram, SSD. killer deal for like a budget gaming PC.

@mikeymaiku

Жыл бұрын

@@HavokR505 the higher bin chip for the engineering sample runs 4.5 and is like 220

@type45tomcat21

Жыл бұрын

They did. One of my friends bought one last year from the local version of Aliexpress in China and made a tiny ITX PC with that

@DawidDoesTechStuff

Жыл бұрын

That’s a good point. ITX does make a whole lot of sense for something like this.

I've got the 1.8 ES version running an unRAID server at the mo and it's working great, upgrade from an old dual Xeon board that used so much power. This thing is super power efficient

@stathisdespoudis42

Жыл бұрын

Hi, i am looking top build an unraid plex server with one of mobo/CPU combos. Does the hardware transcoding work without problems/crashes ?

@jamiemallett7448

Жыл бұрын

I've only had it running for about a week but so far it's been stable, hardware transcoding is working great, super low temps and power draw and boosting to 4.1 when needed. The only problem I had was if the top nvme was populated it wouldn't detect my sas controller on the pcie slot, moved it down to the bottom one and it worked fine.

@stathisdespoudis42

Жыл бұрын

@@jamiemallett7448 thank you very much!

@Cinghia117

Жыл бұрын

@@jamiemallett7448 hi, have you done any idle power consumption tests? Maybe also using powertop?

On some older BIOSes, the memory speed configuration could be under the CPU settings. Did you check there?

I'm a simple man, I see a Dawid upload I click the video, I click like, I click play.

@Boogie_the_cat

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I always click like when the video starts because I never don't like it. It's automatic, like breathing. I know it'll be funny and entertaining. I'm glad my cat woke me up early for this

@denis2381

Жыл бұрын

Simping hard huh?

@CooperRome

Жыл бұрын

​@@denis2381 being an asshole huh?

@FutureKLX300SMowner

Жыл бұрын

@@denis2381 stuck in 2019 huh?

@theaverageenduser6241

Жыл бұрын

Same

2:32 sweet sync between music and video. I really liked it ^^

While I would not trust my work on aliexpress engineering, as always I am quite impressed with it. I was impressed when they have found a way to make laptop GPUs work as desktop GPUs. And I am impressed with this too. Thank you for covering these items. They are certainly impressive and entertaining pieces of technology.

@STORMFIRE07

Жыл бұрын

Well, that has been officially done aswell tho *cough* RX 6400 and 6500XT *cough*

@bfmvshinigami

Жыл бұрын

Can you please tell me a product where they managed to get a laptop gpu to work on a desktop?

@jeevejavari8461

9 ай бұрын

​​@@bfmvshinigamisorry it's late but there's tons of mobile rtx 3070s and ryzen 6600ms. Like they were everywhere for a while.

The missing CMOS battery is a shipping thing. It's a lithium battery, which they'd have to declare/ship/handle in a special way. It's way cheaper and easier this way.

You shouldn't do direct die cooling if your cooler has exposed heatpipes like that, it can cause die to crack and AliExpress LGA1151 laptop CPU sellers warn you about this.

@thedungeondelver

Жыл бұрын

I suspect dawid gives somewhere around zero fucks about this motherboard; it's likely in the trash now.

@mikeymaiku

Жыл бұрын

its a matter of "even pressure". hold the cooler down before evenly distributing the pressure and your fine. they warn you because they dont want to have to replace it under the pretense that you had a user error but decided that the chip "cracked" in shipping.

Aliexpress motherboards don't come with a cmos battery because is not allowed in the shipping

@Holycurative9610

Жыл бұрын

I wanted to send my girlfriend a laptop, she's in the Philippines, and I couldn't send it using their own postal service because of the battery but DHL could have shipped it directly to her house for about US$50 from the UK. The battery thing sucks though!!!

I like old BIOS UI more than modern UEFI one. For me it was far easier to find setting that i was looking for on older motherboards

@wastelanderone

Жыл бұрын

Same, I miss the old UI so much!

Thats an adorable motherboard, like a few others have said I would love to see a mini-itx version of it. Regarding what you said was CPU bottlenecking, I imagine it was actually memory bandwidth related as you had not found how to overclock/xmp the ram (other have pointed out where in the BIOS the option is). I totally get your comments about the naming and options in that style of motherboard configuration, I imagine less than 1% of people who went in to those bios even knew what most of those did, let alone needed to change anything.

I've built a PC using one of these mobos, I got the i9-11900h version and I have to say this thing is a beast, and the better part of it it only consumes like 40w on load. The only downside that I found was the vrm temps 90c without the heatsink.

@markkocsicska2590

Жыл бұрын

Do you remember how much you paid for it? I am curious if it can be an economically viable alternative.

@ottoguilherme5026

Жыл бұрын

@@markkocsicska2590 I paid 178 us dollars, o think the price is very cheap for a i9

@markkocsicska2590

Жыл бұрын

@@ottoguilherme5026 i9+motherboard. Not a bad price at all.

@musouisshin

Жыл бұрын

just buy 20$ heat sinks ez fix

@mikeymaiku

Жыл бұрын

@@musouisshin you can get them for like pennies on aliexpress with thier massive discounts for stuff like this all the time

More of this please, its so entertaining to watch

Not surprised by this... Given how good mini pcs have been getting in recent years, with this just being a bring your own cooler, battery and everything else version (all be it in a more normal form factor...)

so the highest watts of the cpu is 40w. I wonder if there's an option in the bios that remove or increase the power limit.

@rolandm9750

Жыл бұрын

I'm guessing this is why the CPU seems to always remain well below 100% in the video.

You should put this and the Aliexpress 3060M together and compare it to a 3060 laptop with an 11800h.

@100500daniel

Жыл бұрын

Lol I have an Asus TUF laptop with an i7 11800h and a 3060. It's actually fairly crappy compared to a desktop 11700/3060

@theboogerbomb

Жыл бұрын

@@100500daniel yeah that's only a 95W model no?

@100500daniel

Жыл бұрын

@@theboogerbomb yea plus no mux switch.

@mcslender2965

Жыл бұрын

I suggest the AliExpress 6600m instead. Less fiddling with custom driver

@theboogerbomb

Жыл бұрын

@@100500daniel given you're already running at low FPS a mux won't impact performance majorly

this kit is actually quite powerful but you have to config some bios settings and xmp works perfectly fine just need little work on the bios and it did be running nice and properly, as for the die to the IHS it doesnt have the best contact surface, so to reduce temps even further you have to disable the avx512 and the intergrated graphics, also it should be boosting constant at 4.4/4.6ghz all core or most of the time. The Br community has done quite a few videos on this kit. Its past 12am already! 26th, the pre sale for 12th gen boards are out in china atm, however i doubt the prices will be any good because they dont have 12th gen laptop es so retail chips going to cost alot more.

@rihavein8966

Жыл бұрын

@Penetrant there a rebar setting in the bios, if you want to double confirm u can also see some br videos afew also show how u can enable rebar support

@jarnovilen5259

Жыл бұрын

@@rihavein8966 link please?

@rihavein8966

Жыл бұрын

@@jarnovilen5259 what link are you asking about?

@jarnovilen5259

Жыл бұрын

@@rihavein8966 The BR Community, whatever that is. And their videos. Where are those?

Got a laptop with 11800h for my brother for christmas, combined with a laptop 3060 at 130w that thing delivers some awesome performance. If you run it with a 4070ti you'd propably be better off playing at 4k.

I wonder if CPU-Z would have been able to ID that CPU.

@idzanmarkoprivate

Жыл бұрын

It would detect it properly, Windows is just - on, code is that, I'll display it.

@Elinzar

Жыл бұрын

No, is an ES chip, it will report the same in cpu-z It will give you all the info tho, is an 8c 16t 24mb of cache cpu running at 4.5 boost 2.2 base and 50w tdp Have pcie 4.0 support for the gpu and ssd, have a tpm and win 11 support and also has rebar support

@idzanmarkoprivate

Жыл бұрын

@@Elinzar even ES Chips would get more details in CPU-Z, so thanks for details. With specs this seems like i7-11800H but with bit lower base and boost frequencies.

@Elinzar

Жыл бұрын

@@idzanmarkoprivate yep, both 8 core ES chips run a bit lower than they where supposed to become this one is indeed the i7-11800h/i9 11900h and the other more powerful one runs at 2.6 base 4.7 boost and should be the base for the 11980HK, the rest of the specs are equal tho, just binning

@My_Old_YT_Account

Жыл бұрын

@@Elinzar what about all core boost?

you should pair this with the aliexpress mobile 3060 gpu if you still have it lmao

@yesterdaysjam2405

Жыл бұрын

And pick up some AliExpress RAM, case, couple of fans, NVME.....all aliex special.

@wimberlytwins

Жыл бұрын

@@yesterdaysjam2405 well it can't be a desktop gpu on a desktop pcb, it needs to be a laptop gpu on a desktop pcb so it can be a cursed laptop other than that I agree 100%

@MiGujack3

Жыл бұрын

And take a laptop display and make it a desktop one with one of those weird adapter kits.

You should have gotten the "upgraded" VRM heatsinks they sell too. Would have been to see if they make a difference?

So basically, you mounted that motherboard onto the GPU.

We need a another products from companies that message you review!

@Boogie_the_cat

Жыл бұрын

I second this e-waste motion

Wonder if using ThrottleStop would release further headroom of the CPU. May allow it to clock higher.

@38911bytefree

5 ай бұрын

Laptops tend to throttle the clock down to protect the hardware (Thinkpads and many others did that), so even when they are mobile version, you wont be able to get the100% of its power. With "unlimited" cooling like it would be the case of a desktop (compared to the restrictions of a laptop) you could push them to the limit for longer.

Maybe using Intel XTU and cranking up all the sliders it will let you could help alleviate the cpu bottleneck. My 11400H can start to use around 60 watts sometimes if I remember correctly (if it’s not at 100 degrees, average dell user moment)

This test is pointless without enabling the XMP profile of your RAM. And you would have found the how to with some googling. I think part 2 with properly clocked RAM is in order. =)

To mount your heat sink, you may have to go "old school" and use some nuts and bolts to mount the heat sink to the board.

@Njazmo

Жыл бұрын

Zip ties are more old school, and pretty ghetto. 😂

@vipvip-tf9rw

Жыл бұрын

and probably better use high performance thermalpad

@tomb3782

Жыл бұрын

@watchmejumpstart yah, but the the temps were more stable... Shrug.

@tomb3782

Жыл бұрын

@@vipvip-tf9rw If it's going to be stable platform for a while (desk, table, so on). I would use liquid metal.

I bought one such Erying boards with intel engineering spec CPU's for personal interest. The BIOS options are just totally awesome! You have access to practically all CPU and bridge chipset options!

Always a great visit with Dawid

China and this board : Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.

I bought one of these recently, have nothing to complain about. The bios is very strange at first but is understandable. I found some information about this interposers (like how to enable rebar and xmp) in channels like Mario Mazzotti and Tec-ink (both in portuguese).

@MarioMazzotti

Жыл бұрын

thanks for the citation friend!

This is actually a pretty sweet board! I would definetly consider something like this if I were to upgrade my server any time soon

This can make a Low power nas board with a modern-ish intel chip pre-installed. Color me intrested

Maybe you should combine this with one of those mobile RX 6600M GPUs that are also strapped to a new board like this and build the ultimate non-portable Laptop PC!! OOOh and also compare performance and power draw to their desktop counterparts?

I think the problem here is the memory speed, the CPU is only using ~45w at most. Whilst that CPU should be able to push 90w PL2 no problem.

@vipvip-tf9rw

Жыл бұрын

did he power tested cpu? I think not

This is pretty slick for a super slim and decently cool running build. Throw in a vertically mounted or low profile GPU

To my knowledge, Maxsun, which is a reputable mobo brand in China, makes a better version of this board in OEM builds, and with their advanced UEFI BIOS, you can actually overclock the 11800H to all core 4.6-4.7 Ghz, RAM set to 3100MT/s, and power draw PL1 set to 150W, it beats 11700K and all benchmarks will perform exactly same as a 11900K, but it will need liquid cooling if you go down that route.

Was there no way to push the CPU power limit a bit further beyond 45w? Impressive nonetheless for the price

@DMS_134

Жыл бұрын

There is, and you can also mess around with xtu and bclk oc. I've seen testing with the i9 version with 4.6-4.7 GHz oc, but then you'd be hitting the vrm limits too, cuz the heatsink and vrm itself kinda sucks. Just using XMP to 3200 would be a big jump in performance too. If you're interested, just search for i9 11900 interposer on KZread, and you'll see a ton of very good videos from Brazilian hardware youtubers. This kit has been a bit of a hit over here, cuz the performance is really close to a 5600 but costing way less during sales (and being a bit convoluted as well). There are oc live streams, tests against 2011-v3 xeons and ryzens, liquid metal testing etc.

@luckevich16

Жыл бұрын

@@DMS_134 well, this thing also kinda popular in our regions, so it's seems you can replace radiators on the VRM to better one and calmly increase TDP. I saw the results there people increase it to 80 Watts and 120 Watts on PL1, measured temperatures with a pyrometer on the VRM during stress tests and everything was normal. The RAM also overclocked, by the way - I saw results up to 3733 MHz

@DMS_134

Жыл бұрын

@@luckevich16 Didn't know you could get that high on memory OC. Good stuff.

I want to see this board with one of those rtx cards they stuck a laptop gpu on and see if they work a bit better with an actual laptop cpu

@mateusz2465

Жыл бұрын

It won't matter

I'm genuinely considering one of these motherboard cpu kits to upgrade my old 3rd gen system from 2012.

Eyyy another upload, keep up the good work dawid!! And you too Anna!

I love such a hacky mainboard, would have bought it if it came in an ITX form factor or even fit into those tiny SFF lenovo thinkcentre PCs. I have a RX6600M which is a laptop GPU soldered onto a desktop PCIe card which was used for mining.

I really enjoy your videos, and always look forward to your next one! Something you may want to experiment with is old CPUs. My newest build is using a i9-9900k with a Z390 Chipset. I'm waiting for a Zotac 4090 then I'm gonna game and do some benchmarks. I'm quite curious as to how it performs.

@Zysperro

Жыл бұрын

Why did you decide to go with 9900K in 2023? It's a good chip, but not a good match for a 4090, it's a r5 5600 level and gonna bottleneck the heck out of the 4090. Or it's just for a test?

@Bigrizz69

Жыл бұрын

really recommend you upgrade the cpu

@509brown

Жыл бұрын

@@Zysperro I had it in a Gigabyte MB so thought I'd try it. I expect I'll swap it and the MB out, but just gotta get some numbers first.

@509brown

Жыл бұрын

@@Zysperro I will know shortly, then will put the 4090 in my i9-13900K system. Its gonna be interesting to see how the old work horse responds. Right now I have a 3060 Ti running with it and the CPU just yawns...

Waiting for the Dawid does Aliexpress spin off channel. If you do it, can you review Android head units with large displays and see if you can upgrade to the latest version of Android.

Just wanted to say Good job on the channel its very informative, and your a weird but in funny way guy. Your analogies are off the wall. No doubt at some point I will use them

Considering it tends to be difficult to find a motherboard or CPU by the time either one breaks because Intel keeps changing the freaking socket, I've never outright dismissed the idea of a desktop motherboard with a non-socketed CPU. That said...this idea works a heck of a lot better on mITX than mATX. For one, it'd be actually smaller, without hampering gaming performance the way a miniPC without a PCI-E X16 socket while remaining small enough depending on your case choices. Second, it actually lets you have more case choices, like one of those miniITX sandwich cases (and given it's a laptop CPU, it should work fine with most downdraft coolers at 70mm max height), and given the 3050 desktop card comes with 8gb and the 3060 gets 12gb, unless there's a GPU shortage this makes more sense for a compact gaming PC than, say, that MinisForum AMD miniPC where you socket it and a graphics card on something like the thing NUC Extremes used to use. Except the CPU/motherboard is facing the other way so, yey, no CPU cooling issue; but then again it's an open chassis so good luck using that if you have a cat or small children in the house.

@baroncalamityplus

Жыл бұрын

I've wondered the same thing myself.

@mikeymaiku

Жыл бұрын

my assumption is the tools/machines used is limiting thier ability to make such small boards compact loaded with basicly every feature. going down to smaller pcb traces not to mention multiple layers of pcb probably requires a much more advanced machine than they are using to produce the boards

RAM should be able to run at 3200MHz and I'm pretty sure that the CPU can probably be OC'ed, just not sure how. There are channels that show that. It would be interesting to see how it does with proper RAM speed and some OC. Also as everyone said, all AliExpress sellers tend to not include batteries(probably because it's against the law), because we all know what lithium batteries tend to do on a plane.

@PakkaponPhongtawee

Жыл бұрын

I do have Erying i5 version. There is XMP setting in Chipset > SA platform > Memory And yes, this CPU can OC

Dude.. what a cool idea... This would be almost just perfect for me.. and my first ever build

@jayhardway23

Жыл бұрын

Go for it! These appear fantastic for tinkering too this and the Intel ARC A770 16GB would make a fantastic system, if you can learn the bios and enable Resizable BAR 😁

I wanted to like this, but I got the impression from their store page that it would be picky about RAM and reviews suggested the SATA and NVME slots didn't not work as expected

I'd like to see you bring that motherboard back for a future video and play games on the iGPU but using FSR and XeSS. That iGPU performance actually shocked me so, I'd like so see how upscaling will help it.

@vipvip-tf9rw

Жыл бұрын

Amd would be better for that

@mtx247

Жыл бұрын

@@vipvip-tf9rw Their APUs, yes. This Intel chip is not an APU which is why I'm surprised that the performance was relatively playable.

@vipvip-tf9rw

Жыл бұрын

@@mtx247 If it has igpu then It's apu, If it has cpu cores only then it's cpu

@mtx247

Жыл бұрын

@@vipvip-tf9rw You must be new to the PC space, that's completely false. An APU is vastly different. An APU has a larger GPU than CPU. A CPU with an iGPU is smaller than the CPU. It's pretty much there to provide the bare minimum visuals whereas an APU is seen more for it's graphics capabilities. Hence why the APUs have the "G" nomenclature on AMDs APUs. Intel does not make APUs.

@vipvip-tf9rw

Жыл бұрын

@@mtx247 normal cpus don't require igpu, igpu is intel i series only thing?

Would be interesting to see mCPU motherboard from a well-known supplier because it looks like a nice option for building HTPC or small home media server

@commondary9953

Жыл бұрын

You could always buy a mini-PC, plenty of low power desktop chips around, like an intel NUC or similar

@snotspat

Жыл бұрын

Why not just get something like a Larkbox?

@MiGujack3

Жыл бұрын

I would get one as a router.

@FakeHumanBeans

Жыл бұрын

@@commondary9953 This board with the i9 costs 160$ (i9-11900H ES). Also you can enable the XMP profile in the BIOS, dunno why he have not managed to find the setting.

@WorkinDuck

Жыл бұрын

@@commondary9953 NUCs are pretty expensive. A similar spec NUC like the mainboard shown in the video is 600$+

Seems like a nice Motherboard you can strap to the back of a monitor and call it an office computer.

Watching from Scotland! Love the videos my guy

Try using Intel's CPU identification program and see what it reports the CPU as.

@marcogenovesi8570

Жыл бұрын

that program will probably dispatch a team of Intel Ninjas to minecraft him, as engineering samples are not supposed to be sold to people

That's a pretty cool concept to use Laptop CPUs for desktop purposes.

@dyslectische

Жыл бұрын

I know that core duo is use that way with the g945m chip set . I had one of those boards in that time. Works just fine in a pc case So no its not that strange .

Great info,been looking at these boards but was a bit dubious,might try one now value for money, cheers!!

Thanks,very interesting and golden price, waiting for same motherboard but in itx size

I wonder if the pci-e slot is x16 or x8 or even x4. You never know from these aliexpress sellers and/or mobile cpu limitations.

@xingbairong

Жыл бұрын

Usually it will say in the description of the item. If it says it's x16 and it ends up not being x16 you can ask for partial(or full, just lower chances of winning)refund. That's why description tends to be accurate. Always check the description and ignore the title. Btw this particular "brand", seem to be fairly professional(they don't hide anything, issues included), so I'd say everything they put in the description should be accurate.

@cpufreak101

Жыл бұрын

Should be an x16 as these cpus have 20 PCIe lanes

Interesting! It would have been cool if you found a way to measure the VRM temps on that board. I bet they were SPIIIIIICY! With that 4070 ti running!

@mateusz2465

Жыл бұрын

Cpu draw no more than 50w. It will be cool it's less than i3. Gpu takes power through it's own vrm

@brando3342

Жыл бұрын

@@mateusz2465 Oh right! It’s a laptop cpu, that makes sense. Also, I was wondering about that, I knew the GPU had its own VRMs, but I was under the impression all of the power to the board goes through the board VRMs first.

@mateusz2465

Жыл бұрын

@@brando3342 vrm on mobo is for cpu, gpu can take max 75w from slot ( like gtx1050ti without power connector), but most gpus don't - fast all power goes from power cables ( 6pin, 8pin...)

@brando3342

Жыл бұрын

@@mateusz2465 Gotcha, that makes sense, thanks 👍

Here in Brazil we're buying these things like crazy. The I9 version has a serious VRM temp problem. Not me, though. My xeon is still doing pretty good.

@jdl3408

Жыл бұрын

What do search for on AliExpress to find these?

The "ES" in the Aliexpress' description of the mainboard does mean Engineering Sample, so yeah, it's not a production CPU. If only this mainboard was available with some sort of warranty, at least not DOA, I'd be buying one. But last time I did buy an Aliexpress mainboard, it only worked for like three minutes and died. 80 bucks for three minutes of fun doesn't sound like a good deal to me :)

@giannismentz3570

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, this is gonna be a thing for people. The money is quite the amount despite the bargain, and then even if you can return it, it's gonna take months to resolve. The money compared to what they do and what they offer might be a super amazing price, but would an individual buyer risk that amount? I think this is more of an opportunity for computer shops, they can buy those boards and resell them, making a small margin themselves and also providing some kind of support or some form of warranty for people.

Aliexpress content is the best in this channel :D

With how much manufacturers have been charging for boards (particularly converted outside of USD) I'm sort of rooting for these weird custom motherboards.

@raven4k998

Жыл бұрын

do you also wish he bought all three the i5 i7 and i9 to compare each and see which is the best for the money I do

Another great video from Dawid!

I've daily driven this exact board for a few months lol I was wondering when someone would make a video on it

C$ 564.82?! I'll pass...

I thank god you uploaded I can’t get enough of your videos

I actually knew about the battery issue with customs. I've tried ordering batteries from AliExpress for a couple of years and had many problems.

I ordered this 2 weeks ago lol its nice to see a review a week before its supposed to show up!

@Audiosenses69

3 ай бұрын

You still own it? Working still?

If you need a low power pc one of these could be a pretty good start. Stick a 6500xt or something in it and you'll have a nice, low power gaming pc

Kinda lowkey love this. I'm imagining you could create a really robust fanless PC with a motherboard like this.

This actually looks great if you wanted to buy something to build a very cheap but capable gaming PC, especially for a kid, or someone older, who may not need, want, or know how to use, all the bells and whistles you can get out of higher end, more expensive parts. I imagine paring this with those weird RX 580s for around 90 bucks that are found on Ali Express. Bet the i9 version of this board and that card for about $250. After that, all you need is power supply, case, ram and storage. An easy sub-$400 build, that can still be upgraded later with a better graphics card. Biggest problem I see, gaming wise, is that there is no USB-C port, and the USB 3.0 ports are just that, only 3.0, so VR isn't going to be a thing on this PC.

@nonyabizz9390

Жыл бұрын

Update: I bought the i9 version of this, and one of the weird RX580s, and I'm gonna build it as a replacement gaming PC for my father's ANCIENT rig. Two or three weeks, and then I'll see what happens! Another more amusing work case for these motherboards? Imagine, for the people into such things, someone wanted to build a portable cyberdeck with one! The TDP is only 45 watts. I have a 250Wh battery that peaks at 100 watts output. I imagine, with some creative tinkering and sticking with the built in GPU, I could build something fun to turn this laptop CPU in a desktop mother board into some ugly, frankensteined, mobile cyberdeck. Maybe when I have the money to buy another motherboard!

could you try mixing the Mobile desktop 3060 you got? I think it would be fun to see mostly laptop hardware inside a desktop.

This feels like a great motherboard to do an aliexpress custom loop on

I’d try Intel XTU to get the memory speed up. I work in IT and often have to use it (or Ruben master) for OEM mobos

That spreader looks surprisingly nice. Copper to copper contact. Looks flat and levelled too. Wonder how liquid metal under the die would be.

Hey Dawid, you might shave another degree or two off the temps if you rested a house brick on top of the tower cooler to increase the contact pressure.

this is my all time favorite video that you have put out

I found it funny that your name in CS:GO was Aroused Whale Sentience, Great video as always.

i love your videos you make the best jokes and your content is so enjoyable. i always check ur channel to see if u post

That fully unlocked UEFI is a nice touch, as is the heat spreader.

The bios is Fully unlocked and has xmp support up to 3600mhz, you can even overclock the laptop thing, one guy in the miyconst server put liquid metal on it and it pushed it to 5.1ghz all core and 75w tdp (all the motherboard can give with the upgraded heatsinks) and it gets dangerously close to alder lake performance, for 145 usd as a whole His ram speed keept resetting to 2133 for some reason but without overlooking he did ran it at 3600mhz when he first used the motherboard

@adubseven

Жыл бұрын

He couldn't figure out the bios from the last video as well and just gave up

Nice! Jeff from Craft Computing did one on the i9 variant the same day! What a good day for tech.

Cant wait to see a motherboard like this where both the cpu and gpu are integrated in the board

And now I want one of these, thanks Dawid

to change memory speeds you need to enter overclocking performance menu

That tip at the beginning lol happend to me, somehow ethernet acted weird after a gpu repasting and turned out i scratched off a capacitor near the gpu slot. Was not a big issue for me since i have a hotair rework station and know how to solder smd components

That motherboard and cpu looks like a massive upgrade from what I'm running right now. I should definitely consider that, but man that shipping cost.

Many of these units have BOTH OC settings and ram timings. I believe Miyconst and Craft Computing have had good luck with these mutant set ups.

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